iddqdATworldonline.dk
July 24th 03, 02:32 PM
Didn't find this group until the other day, otherwise I would have
posted this 3 weeks ago. (Quote from my post from July 2nd in
alt.mountain-bike follows)
------<QUOTE START>
I'm writting this post partly as a warning, partly because some help
would be welcome and partly because I need to put words to my frustration.
Saturday a week ago I was surfing looking for interesting parts for my
bike or perhaphs even a good deal on a new bike. So I check out what's
on ebay and find a good deal on a Specialized Enduro:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3614218559&category=22677&rd=1
I mail the guy through eBay with a few questions and also because I
wanna check him out due to it being the first thin he sells on eBay, and
he answers me back with the info I request corcerning the bike size and
if it will fit me also in effect reasureing me that while he is a new
seller he is totally legit. He also tells me that he is currently in the
UK and that he is willing to pay for the delivery. This of course only
makes the offer look even better as having the bike send within the EU
means no tax to pay at customs and so.
He's eager to close the deal and since no one has so far made an offer
on the bike he offers to close the auction ahead of schedule, in effect
meaning we deal without using ebay. To make a short story long we agree
on the $1100 and come monday I mail the money through Western Union. My
name is causing a few problems, there's a none english letter in it and
also in my adress so retrieving the money becomes a little difficult
because Western Union has changed one letter to another but sometime
tuesday after a few mails back and forth he is able to withdraw the
money. Now - his withdrawl of the money I only know because of checking
it on the Western Union site because I have heard nothing since the last
mail about how to spell my name in english:-(
So in short I have send $1100 to a guy that looks to have grabbed the
money and since decided to ignore me completely. Question is should I
just wait some more or do you guys think this is a case for the police?
I would like to try to get in touch with the guy in another fashion than
just email, but I have not been able to find his telephone number or
even verify the adress he has provided. So I wonder if anyone in the
group knows how to find some info on this guy?
NAME:DANI MISCHI
ADDRESS:352 BARKING ROAD
CITY:LONDON
ZIP:E13 8HL
COUNTRY: UK
Supposedly he's from the US currently staying in the UK and in ebay he's
registrered as residing in
ELLENSBURG
United States /Seattle-Tacoma
And his email is Dani Bruce >
If any of you is in the market for a Enduro I suggest you wait till this
matter has been resolved before you buy something from the Dani guy!
Now I would like to think that the reason I have heard nothing from him
since he has gotten the money is due to some family emergency or
something, but it's been more than a week now so one has to wonder.
I still hope the deal comes true and I get the bike, partly because else
my money is lost and I'll have to stick with my 1998 FSR Elite for a
while(no new bike this year for sure), but even more so because I so far
have had the luxury that whenever I have made arrengements to buy stuff
from people on the net it has been good experiences and I really want to
keep it that way. Maybe I'm just naive?
------<QOUTE END>
Through the response I recieved to the above post I learned that the
scammer has tried to do the same moves on others offering items as
differently as guitars and espresso machines, and also learned about one
guy that did sens money to buy a guitar and never got anything. I now
belive that it's not just a single individual working eBay in such
manner but some sort of organized fraud.
The guy the sold me the bike waited a few days and then offered the bike
again using the exact same add and even the same username, once I saw
that I of course contacted eBay and also informed a bidder on the bike
about the whole thing plus I made a bid on the bike (after all I had
allready paied for it). Being an official bidder enabled me to learn
the name and details behind the user name which turned out to be an
totally innocent US guy, which had just has his named misused.
Furthermore as I made a bid on the second sale of the bike I was first
outbid by someone and that cause someone to mail me an offer on a
different Enduro. I played along with the offer and was treated to a
description and pictures simply copied from a review on SingleTrackWorld
plus language very similar to the one used by the one which suckered me
in the first place. Eventually I was asked to send money to this person:
Billi Jovani
233 A Heathway Dagenham
Essex,London
zip RM9 5AN
And then I mentioned that I would come to the UK and get the bike which
would save the seller money due to him offering to pay UPS shipping -
which not surprisingly cause him to inform me he had another buyer.
The whole business is now a police matter and I really have no hope of
getting my money back. So now it's more about warning others no to be as
naive as me and if possible to get the &¤%¤&¤% scam artists brought to
justice.
Kind regards
Bruno, Denmark
posted this 3 weeks ago. (Quote from my post from July 2nd in
alt.mountain-bike follows)
------<QUOTE START>
I'm writting this post partly as a warning, partly because some help
would be welcome and partly because I need to put words to my frustration.
Saturday a week ago I was surfing looking for interesting parts for my
bike or perhaphs even a good deal on a new bike. So I check out what's
on ebay and find a good deal on a Specialized Enduro:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3614218559&category=22677&rd=1
I mail the guy through eBay with a few questions and also because I
wanna check him out due to it being the first thin he sells on eBay, and
he answers me back with the info I request corcerning the bike size and
if it will fit me also in effect reasureing me that while he is a new
seller he is totally legit. He also tells me that he is currently in the
UK and that he is willing to pay for the delivery. This of course only
makes the offer look even better as having the bike send within the EU
means no tax to pay at customs and so.
He's eager to close the deal and since no one has so far made an offer
on the bike he offers to close the auction ahead of schedule, in effect
meaning we deal without using ebay. To make a short story long we agree
on the $1100 and come monday I mail the money through Western Union. My
name is causing a few problems, there's a none english letter in it and
also in my adress so retrieving the money becomes a little difficult
because Western Union has changed one letter to another but sometime
tuesday after a few mails back and forth he is able to withdraw the
money. Now - his withdrawl of the money I only know because of checking
it on the Western Union site because I have heard nothing since the last
mail about how to spell my name in english:-(
So in short I have send $1100 to a guy that looks to have grabbed the
money and since decided to ignore me completely. Question is should I
just wait some more or do you guys think this is a case for the police?
I would like to try to get in touch with the guy in another fashion than
just email, but I have not been able to find his telephone number or
even verify the adress he has provided. So I wonder if anyone in the
group knows how to find some info on this guy?
NAME:DANI MISCHI
ADDRESS:352 BARKING ROAD
CITY:LONDON
ZIP:E13 8HL
COUNTRY: UK
Supposedly he's from the US currently staying in the UK and in ebay he's
registrered as residing in
ELLENSBURG
United States /Seattle-Tacoma
And his email is Dani Bruce >
If any of you is in the market for a Enduro I suggest you wait till this
matter has been resolved before you buy something from the Dani guy!
Now I would like to think that the reason I have heard nothing from him
since he has gotten the money is due to some family emergency or
something, but it's been more than a week now so one has to wonder.
I still hope the deal comes true and I get the bike, partly because else
my money is lost and I'll have to stick with my 1998 FSR Elite for a
while(no new bike this year for sure), but even more so because I so far
have had the luxury that whenever I have made arrengements to buy stuff
from people on the net it has been good experiences and I really want to
keep it that way. Maybe I'm just naive?
------<QOUTE END>
Through the response I recieved to the above post I learned that the
scammer has tried to do the same moves on others offering items as
differently as guitars and espresso machines, and also learned about one
guy that did sens money to buy a guitar and never got anything. I now
belive that it's not just a single individual working eBay in such
manner but some sort of organized fraud.
The guy the sold me the bike waited a few days and then offered the bike
again using the exact same add and even the same username, once I saw
that I of course contacted eBay and also informed a bidder on the bike
about the whole thing plus I made a bid on the bike (after all I had
allready paied for it). Being an official bidder enabled me to learn
the name and details behind the user name which turned out to be an
totally innocent US guy, which had just has his named misused.
Furthermore as I made a bid on the second sale of the bike I was first
outbid by someone and that cause someone to mail me an offer on a
different Enduro. I played along with the offer and was treated to a
description and pictures simply copied from a review on SingleTrackWorld
plus language very similar to the one used by the one which suckered me
in the first place. Eventually I was asked to send money to this person:
Billi Jovani
233 A Heathway Dagenham
Essex,London
zip RM9 5AN
And then I mentioned that I would come to the UK and get the bike which
would save the seller money due to him offering to pay UPS shipping -
which not surprisingly cause him to inform me he had another buyer.
The whole business is now a police matter and I really have no hope of
getting my money back. So now it's more about warning others no to be as
naive as me and if possible to get the &¤%¤&¤% scam artists brought to
justice.
Kind regards
Bruno, Denmark