Want to know more about the bicycles

[Zhang Li Yun]

Hi all

I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the suitable size,
feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to prepare
for cycling?

Thank you

[Luther Blissett]

Zhang Li Yun wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the suitable size,
> feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to prepare
> for cycling?
>
> Thank you
>
>
Best to get thee to the local reputable bike shop. They would be best to
advise what suits your budget.Where are you located? We could recommend
some shops.

As well as the bike as a bare minimum you will need a helmet, a pump and
a puncture repair kit.

--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

Zhang Li Yun wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the suitable size,
> feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to prepare
> for cycling?
>
> Thank you
>
>
Best to get thee to the local reputable bike shop. They would be best to
advise what suits your budget.Where are you located? We could recommend
some shops.

As well as the bike as a bare minimum you will need a helmet, a pump and
a puncture repair kit.

--
Cheers
LB

[Andy G]

also,
what kind of riding do you wish to do?
here in the country it is ideal for mountain biking

in the city a faster bike might be better.

the best feature for good cycling is strong legs!
Once you are proficient at riding and have an appreciation of the machine
you are on and know what you want to do
then you will know what to get.
a good secondhand machine fitted by a reputable bike shop will do.
"Zhang Li Yun" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all
>
> I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the suitable
size,
> feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to
prepare
> for cycling?
>
> Thank you
>
>

[Andy G]

also,
what kind of riding do you wish to do?
here in the country it is ideal for mountain biking

in the city a faster bike might be better.

the best feature for good cycling is strong legs!
Once you are proficient at riding and have an appreciation of the machine
you are on and know what you want to do
then you will know what to get.
a good secondhand machine fitted by a reputable bike shop will do.
"Zhang Li Yun" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all
>
> I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the suitable
size,
> feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to
prepare
> for cycling?
>
> Thank you
>
>

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Luther Blissett > wrote in
message ...
> Zhang Li Yun wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the suitable
size,
> > feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to
prepare
> > for cycling?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> >
> Best to get thee to the local reputable bike shop. They would be best to
> advise what suits your budget.Where are you located? We could recommend
> some shops.
>
> As well as the bike as a bare minimum you will need a helmet, a pump and
> a puncture repair kit.

If it's mainly urban riding you are planning, I would say you don't need a
pump and puncture repair kit as much as front / rear lights, and a good
lock. I would also put mudguards higher on the list of necessities too.

With reasonable tires, punctures should be rare, and service stations has
pumps which are usually free.
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Luther Blissett > wrote in
message ...
> Zhang Li Yun wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the suitable
size,
> > feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to
prepare
> > for cycling?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> >
> Best to get thee to the local reputable bike shop. They would be best to
> advise what suits your budget.Where are you located? We could recommend
> some shops.
>
> As well as the bike as a bare minimum you will need a helmet, a pump and
> a puncture repair kit.

If it's mainly urban riding you are planning, I would say you don't need a
pump and puncture repair kit as much as front / rear lights, and a good
lock. I would also put mudguards higher on the list of necessities too.

With reasonable tires, punctures should be rare, and service stations has
pumps which are usually free.
---
DFM

[Spider1977]

Zhang Li Yun, having spent a considerable amount of time in China, which
is where I assume you are from, good luck. I've seen millions of
bicycles in China, but I'm yet to see a decent road bike (come to that
there aren't many decent roads for riding a good road bike on, but the
potential is there). If you live anywhere away from the big cities on
the east coast of China, you'll be taking your life into your own hands.
The trucks are overloaded and omnipresent, car drivers have no regard
for road rules and cyclists are very vulnerable.

It's sad to see the demise of the bicycle as a means of transport in
China. More and more cars are on the road every day and cyclists are
gradually being squeezed out of their dominant position on the roads,
especially in urban areas.

I'm sure there are good road bike made in China and it might take a bit
of searching to find a manufacturer and sales agent. Then you have the
issue of security of your beautiful machine, if you buy one.

Good luck with your search.



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[Spider1977]

Zhang Li Yun, having spent a considerable amount of time in China, which
is where I assume you are from, good luck. I've seen millions of
bicycles in China, but I'm yet to see a decent road bike (come to that
there aren't many decent roads for riding a good road bike on, but the
potential is there). If you live anywhere away from the big cities on
the east coast of China, you'll be taking your life into your own hands.
The trucks are overloaded and omnipresent, car drivers have no regard
for road rules and cyclists are very vulnerable.

It's sad to see the demise of the bicycle as a means of transport in
China. More and more cars are on the road every day and cyclists are
gradually being squeezed out of their dominant position on the roads,
especially in urban areas.

I'm sure there are good road bike made in China and it might take a bit
of searching to find a manufacturer and sales agent. Then you have the
issue of security of your beautiful machine, if you buy one.

Good luck with your search.



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[Gary K]

Spider1977 > wrote:

> Zhang Li Yun, having spent a considerable amount of time in China, which
> is where I assume you are from, good luck. I've seen millions of
> bicycles in China, but I'm yet to see a decent road bike (come to that
> there aren't many decent roads for riding a good road bike on, but the
> potential is there). If you live anywhere away from the big cities on
> the east coast of China, you'll be taking your life into your own hands.
> The trucks are overloaded and omnipresent, car drivers have no regard
> for road rules and cyclists are very vulnerable.
>
> It's sad to see the demise of the bicycle as a means of transport in
> China. More and more cars are on the road every day and cyclists are
> gradually being squeezed out of their dominant position on the roads,
> especially in urban areas.
>
> I'm sure there are good road bike made in China and it might take a bit
> of searching to find a manufacturer and sales agent. Then you have the
> issue of security of your beautiful machine, if you buy one.
>
> Good luck with your search.

China?
The original posting is from the Uni of WA...

[Gary K]

Spider1977 > wrote:

> Zhang Li Yun, having spent a considerable amount of time in China, which
> is where I assume you are from, good luck. I've seen millions of
> bicycles in China, but I'm yet to see a decent road bike (come to that
> there aren't many decent roads for riding a good road bike on, but the
> potential is there). If you live anywhere away from the big cities on
> the east coast of China, you'll be taking your life into your own hands.
> The trucks are overloaded and omnipresent, car drivers have no regard
> for road rules and cyclists are very vulnerable.
>
> It's sad to see the demise of the bicycle as a means of transport in
> China. More and more cars are on the road every day and cyclists are
> gradually being squeezed out of their dominant position on the roads,
> especially in urban areas.
>
> I'm sure there are good road bike made in China and it might take a bit
> of searching to find a manufacturer and sales agent. Then you have the
> issue of security of your beautiful machine, if you buy one.
>
> Good luck with your search.

China?
The original posting is from the Uni of WA...

[Leon]

"Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
message ...
> Luther Blissett > wrote in
> message ...
> > Zhang Li Yun wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the suitable
> size,
> > > feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to
> prepare
> > > for cycling?
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > >
> > Best to get thee to the local reputable bike shop. They would be best to
> > advise what suits your budget.Where are you located? We could recommend
> > some shops.
> >
> > As well as the bike as a bare minimum you will need a helmet, a pump and
> > a puncture repair kit.
>
> If it's mainly urban riding you are planning, I would say you don't need a
> pump and puncture repair kit as much as front / rear lights, and a good
> lock. I would also put mudguards higher on the list of necessities too.
>
> With reasonable tires, punctures should be rare, and service stations has
> pumps which are usually free.
> ---
> DFM
>
>
You stupid... is essential that you have a hand pump, puncture repair kit
and a helmet to protect your head.
Dont go with out these 3 items. you can go with out it like DFM if your bike
grows cob web.

Other things that is good to have is front and rear lights, gloves, lock,
foot pump and spare tubes.

Forget about mudguards they are for geeks.

[Leon]

"Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
message ...
> Luther Blissett > wrote in
> message ...
> > Zhang Li Yun wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the suitable
> size,
> > > feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to
> prepare
> > > for cycling?
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > >
> > Best to get thee to the local reputable bike shop. They would be best to
> > advise what suits your budget.Where are you located? We could recommend
> > some shops.
> >
> > As well as the bike as a bare minimum you will need a helmet, a pump and
> > a puncture repair kit.
>
> If it's mainly urban riding you are planning, I would say you don't need a
> pump and puncture repair kit as much as front / rear lights, and a good
> lock. I would also put mudguards higher on the list of necessities too.
>
> With reasonable tires, punctures should be rare, and service stations has
> pumps which are usually free.
> ---
> DFM
>
>
You stupid... is essential that you have a hand pump, puncture repair kit
and a helmet to protect your head.
Dont go with out these 3 items. you can go with out it like DFM if your bike
grows cob web.

Other things that is good to have is front and rear lights, gloves, lock,
foot pump and spare tubes.

Forget about mudguards they are for geeks.

[hippy]

"Leon" > wrote in message
...
> > If it's mainly urban riding you are planning, I would say you don't
need a
> > pump and puncture repair kit as much as front / rear lights, and a
good
> > lock. I would also put mudguards higher on the list of necessities
too.
> >
> > With reasonable tires, punctures should be rare, and service
stations has
> > pumps which are usually free.
> > DFM
> >
> You stupid... is essential that you have a hand pump, puncture repair
kit
> and a helmet to protect your head.
> Dont go with out these 3 items. you can go with out it like DFM if
your bike
> grows cob web.

Eh?! Like DFM said, if you are riding in the city, you generally don't
need
a pump or a puncture kit. I carry a pump because I have one and it
mounts
neatly to the frame. What happens when I get a puncture? Tyre goes down
and I walk to the train! Carrying a spare tube and some tyre levers (if
you
need them) would be better idea than a pump - servo pumps work fine. If
you have presta valves - get the tiny presta-to-schraeder adapter.
I've never done a roadside puncture repair. I carry spare tubes on long
rides and find other transport on urban rides (if I puncture).

> Other things that is good to have is front and rear lights, gloves,
lock,
> foot pump and spare tubes.

Lights for night riding certainly, I only bought gloves when my rides
started getting up near 100k's. But I might have a higher pain
threshold (read: stupidity level) than most riders!
It's actually nice to ditch the gloves every now and then.
Lock is only necessary if you leave your bike outside. If you have
a nice boss (like mine) you can bring your bike into the office! :)
Foot pump?! Aren't they for lilos down at the beach/camping?
I have hand pumps and a track pump. But neither of these HAVE
to be carried on a ride.

> Forget about mudguards they are for geeks.
....and people who want to stay clean and dry.
(Having said that, I don't own any - but then sometimes I like to get
dirty!) :-)

hippy

[hippy]

"Leon" > wrote in message
...
> > If it's mainly urban riding you are planning, I would say you don't
need a
> > pump and puncture repair kit as much as front / rear lights, and a
good
> > lock. I would also put mudguards higher on the list of necessities
too.
> >
> > With reasonable tires, punctures should be rare, and service
stations has
> > pumps which are usually free.
> > DFM
> >
> You stupid... is essential that you have a hand pump, puncture repair
kit
> and a helmet to protect your head.
> Dont go with out these 3 items. you can go with out it like DFM if
your bike
> grows cob web.

Eh?! Like DFM said, if you are riding in the city, you generally don't
need
a pump or a puncture kit. I carry a pump because I have one and it
mounts
neatly to the frame. What happens when I get a puncture? Tyre goes down
and I walk to the train! Carrying a spare tube and some tyre levers (if
you
need them) would be better idea than a pump - servo pumps work fine. If
you have presta valves - get the tiny presta-to-schraeder adapter.
I've never done a roadside puncture repair. I carry spare tubes on long
rides and find other transport on urban rides (if I puncture).

> Other things that is good to have is front and rear lights, gloves,
lock,
> foot pump and spare tubes.

Lights for night riding certainly, I only bought gloves when my rides
started getting up near 100k's. But I might have a higher pain
threshold (read: stupidity level) than most riders!
It's actually nice to ditch the gloves every now and then.
Lock is only necessary if you leave your bike outside. If you have
a nice boss (like mine) you can bring your bike into the office! :)
Foot pump?! Aren't they for lilos down at the beach/camping?
I have hand pumps and a track pump. But neither of these HAVE
to be carried on a ride.

> Forget about mudguards they are for geeks.
....and people who want to stay clean and dry.
(Having said that, I don't own any - but then sometimes I like to get
dirty!) :-)

hippy

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Leon > wrote in message
...
>
> "Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
> message ...
> > Luther Blissett > wrote
in
> > message ...
> > > Zhang Li Yun wrote:
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the
suitable
> > size,
> > > > feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to
> > prepare
> > > > for cycling?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Best to get thee to the local reputable bike shop. They would be best
to
> > > advise what suits your budget.Where are you located? We could
recommend
> > > some shops.
> > >
> > > As well as the bike as a bare minimum you will need a helmet, a pump
and
> > > a puncture repair kit.
> >
> > If it's mainly urban riding you are planning, I would say you don't need
a
> > pump and puncture repair kit as much as front / rear lights, and a good
> > lock. I would also put mudguards higher on the list of necessities too.
> >
> > With reasonable tires, punctures should be rare, and service stations
has
> > pumps which are usually free.
> > ---
> > DFM
> >
> >
> You stupid... is essential that you have a hand pump, puncture repair kit
> and a helmet to protect your head.
> Dont go with out these 3 items. you can go with out it like DFM if your
bike
> grows cob web.

?????

I think you tried to insult me, but you wrote it so incomprehensibly that
it's hard to tell.

Like Hippy said, puncture repair kits and pumps are far from essential. I
can't recall the last time I saw someone patching a tire on the side of the
road. Why bother when you can get a tube for only $4?
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Leon > wrote in message
...
>
> "Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
> message ...
> > Luther Blissett > wrote
in
> > message ...
> > > Zhang Li Yun wrote:
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > I want to know more about the bicycles, such as what are the
suitable
> > size,
> > > > feature for road bike? And what are the other accessories i need to
> > prepare
> > > > for cycling?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Best to get thee to the local reputable bike shop. They would be best
to
> > > advise what suits your budget.Where are you located? We could
recommend
> > > some shops.
> > >
> > > As well as the bike as a bare minimum you will need a helmet, a pump
and
> > > a puncture repair kit.
> >
> > If it's mainly urban riding you are planning, I would say you don't need
a
> > pump and puncture repair kit as much as front / rear lights, and a good
> > lock. I would also put mudguards higher on the list of necessities too.
> >
> > With reasonable tires, punctures should be rare, and service stations
has
> > pumps which are usually free.
> > ---
> > DFM
> >
> >
> You stupid... is essential that you have a hand pump, puncture repair kit
> and a helmet to protect your head.
> Dont go with out these 3 items. you can go with out it like DFM if your
bike
> grows cob web.

?????

I think you tried to insult me, but you wrote it so incomprehensibly that
it's hard to tell.

Like Hippy said, puncture repair kits and pumps are far from essential. I
can't recall the last time I saw someone patching a tire on the side of the
road. Why bother when you can get a tube for only $4?
---
DFM

[Andrew Swan]

Deeply Flawed Mores wrote:
> Like Hippy said, puncture repair kits and pumps are far from essential. I
> can't recall the last time I saw someone patching a tire on the side of the
> road. Why bother when you can get a tube for only $4?
> ---
> DFM
>
You must mean US$4 judging by the way you spelled "tyre", which is a bit
more expensive in the nicely-coloured money we use here.

Me, I always carry a spare tube, pump, and patch kit, whether I'm doing
my 4km commute, my 30km morning training, a rec ride with my partner, or
my occasional 100km+ forays on the weekends. To answer your question, if
you'd been in Centennial Park (that's in Sydney, Australia) last week,
you'd have seen me changing a tube then. If service stations were
omnipresent and/or public transport went where I want, when I want it,
at a sensible price, why would there be bike commuters in the first
place (apart from it's fun and I don't have to jam my 187cm into a tiny
bus seat next to a smelly tramp [that's "bum" to you in the US] or a kid
with a doof-doof Walkman)?

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

Deeply Flawed Mores wrote:
> Like Hippy said, puncture repair kits and pumps are far from essential. I
> can't recall the last time I saw someone patching a tire on the side of the
> road. Why bother when you can get a tube for only $4?
> ---
> DFM
>
You must mean US$4 judging by the way you spelled "tyre", which is a bit
more expensive in the nicely-coloured money we use here.

Me, I always carry a spare tube, pump, and patch kit, whether I'm doing
my 4km commute, my 30km morning training, a rec ride with my partner, or
my occasional 100km+ forays on the weekends. To answer your question, if
you'd been in Centennial Park (that's in Sydney, Australia) last week,
you'd have seen me changing a tube then. If service stations were
omnipresent and/or public transport went where I want, when I want it,
at a sensible price, why would there be bike commuters in the first
place (apart from it's fun and I don't have to jam my 187cm into a tiny
bus seat next to a smelly tramp [that's "bum" to you in the US] or a kid
with a doof-doof Walkman)?

&roo

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Andrew Swan > wrote in message
...
> Deeply Flawed Mores wrote:
> > Like Hippy said, puncture repair kits and pumps are far from essential.
I
> > can't recall the last time I saw someone patching a tire on the side of
the
> > road. Why bother when you can get a tube for only $4?
> > ---
> > DFM
> >
> You must mean US$4 judging by the way you spelled "tyre", which is a bit
> more expensive in the nicely-coloured money we use here.

**** off! One small spelling mistake, and you think I'm a yank?

Actually I will profess to not having bought a tube for a while (coz I have
not had a puncture for years), so I guess they cost more now. Either way,
good tires and good aim should mean punctures are rare.
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Andrew Swan > wrote in message
...
> Deeply Flawed Mores wrote:
> > Like Hippy said, puncture repair kits and pumps are far from essential.
I
> > can't recall the last time I saw someone patching a tire on the side of
the
> > road. Why bother when you can get a tube for only $4?
> > ---
> > DFM
> >
> You must mean US$4 judging by the way you spelled "tyre", which is a bit
> more expensive in the nicely-coloured money we use here.

**** off! One small spelling mistake, and you think I'm a yank?

Actually I will profess to not having bought a tube for a while (coz I have
not had a puncture for years), so I guess they cost more now. Either way,
good tires and good aim should mean punctures are rare.
---
DFM

[Gary K]

Shane Stanley > wrote:

> in article , hippy wrote:
>
> > if you are riding in the city, you generally don't need a pump or a puncture
> > kit.
>
> When I bought my first bike in many years, I asked the salesman about repair
> kits. He recommended what he carried: a mobile phone and taxi fare.

I was talking to another cyclist while out on the road one day, when I
noticed he had no pump nor spare tube. So I asked him what he does when
he punctures. From his employer he gets free Cabcharge vouchers, so
thats what he'd use...

Personally, I'd like to repair the flat so's i can get back into the
training ride.

[Gary K]

Shane Stanley > wrote:

> in article , hippy wrote:
>
> > if you are riding in the city, you generally don't need a pump or a puncture
> > kit.
>
> When I bought my first bike in many years, I asked the salesman about repair
> kits. He recommended what he carried: a mobile phone and taxi fare.

I was talking to another cyclist while out on the road one day, when I
noticed he had no pump nor spare tube. So I asked him what he does when
he punctures. From his employer he gets free Cabcharge vouchers, so
thats what he'd use...

Personally, I'd like to repair the flat so's i can get back into the
training ride.

[Deep Flayed Mares]

>
> Personally, I'd like to repair the flat so's i can get back into the
> training ride.

Given that you have to wait for the glue to dry, how long does it actually
take to repair a puncture? I would think that if you could fix a hole in 30
mins you would be doing well. Personally, $7 for a new tube would be money
well spent for me. My time is worth more than $14 / hour.

*shrug*
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

>
> Personally, I'd like to repair the flat so's i can get back into the
> training ride.

Given that you have to wait for the glue to dry, how long does it actually
take to repair a puncture? I would think that if you could fix a hole in 30
mins you would be doing well. Personally, $7 for a new tube would be money
well spent for me. My time is worth more than $14 / hour.

*shrug*
---
DFM

[Tim Jones]

"Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
message ...
> >
> > Personally, I'd like to repair the flat so's i can get back into the
> > training ride.
>
> Given that you have to wait for the glue to dry, how long does it actually
> take to repair a puncture? I would think that if you could fix a hole in
30
> mins you would be doing well. Personally, $7 for a new tube would be money
> well spent for me. My time is worth more than $14 / hour.
>
> *shrug*
> ---
> DFM
>

If you carry a spare and a repair kit you have more options.

You can replace the tyre, then at work/home/destination repair the puncture
in under 5 minutes, then you have a spare for the next ride.

Also, if you get a second flat away from public transport/access to taxis
etc......

Tim

[Tim Jones]

"Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
message ...
> >
> > Personally, I'd like to repair the flat so's i can get back into the
> > training ride.
>
> Given that you have to wait for the glue to dry, how long does it actually
> take to repair a puncture? I would think that if you could fix a hole in
30
> mins you would be doing well. Personally, $7 for a new tube would be money
> well spent for me. My time is worth more than $14 / hour.
>
> *shrug*
> ---
> DFM
>

If you carry a spare and a repair kit you have more options.

You can replace the tyre, then at work/home/destination repair the puncture
in under 5 minutes, then you have a spare for the next ride.

Also, if you get a second flat away from public transport/access to taxis
etc......

Tim

[Theo Bekkers]

"hippy" wrote

> Service stations AREN'T omnipresent?!? They always seem that way to
> me! It can't be much more than a 2k walk between any servo on _my_
> commute.

On my way to work (by motorcycle, it's 55 kms) I pass two servos, and
I work 3 kms from the centre of Perth. That'd be a long walk with a
flat tyre.

Theo

[Theo Bekkers]

"hippy" wrote

> Service stations AREN'T omnipresent?!? They always seem that way to
> me! It can't be much more than a 2k walk between any servo on _my_
> commute.

On my way to work (by motorcycle, it's 55 kms) I pass two servos, and
I work 3 kms from the centre of Perth. That'd be a long walk with a
flat tyre.

Theo

[Gary K]

replace spare tube: 5 min
repair puncture and replace: 7 or 8 min

I wait till the glue has lost its shininess, takes about 60 seconds,
with some blowing. No time at all. The fix is permanent.

Patches at 20c each versus dropping $8 every 3 or 4 weeks (racing
tyres). If I can't find the hole right away, I'd use the spare and fix
it at home.

Deep Flayed Mares > wrote:

> >
> > Personally, I'd like to repair the flat so's i can get back into the
> > training ride.
>
> Given that you have to wait for the glue to dry, how long does it actually
> take to repair a puncture? I would think that if you could fix a hole in 30
> mins you would be doing well. Personally, $7 for a new tube would be money
> well spent for me. My time is worth more than $14 / hour.
>
> *shrug*
> ---
> DFM

[Gary K]

replace spare tube: 5 min
repair puncture and replace: 7 or 8 min

I wait till the glue has lost its shininess, takes about 60 seconds,
with some blowing. No time at all. The fix is permanent.

Patches at 20c each versus dropping $8 every 3 or 4 weeks (racing
tyres). If I can't find the hole right away, I'd use the spare and fix
it at home.

Deep Flayed Mares > wrote:

> >
> > Personally, I'd like to repair the flat so's i can get back into the
> > training ride.
>
> Given that you have to wait for the glue to dry, how long does it actually
> take to repair a puncture? I would think that if you could fix a hole in 30
> mins you would be doing well. Personally, $7 for a new tube would be money
> well spent for me. My time is worth more than $14 / hour.
>
> *shrug*
> ---
> DFM

[hippy]

"Gary K" > wrote in message
. au...
> I wait till the glue has lost its shininess, takes about 60 seconds,
> with some blowing. No time at all. The fix is permanent.

My patch jobs never worked properly if I didn't leave them
for ages - like 10-20 minutes. I didn't blow on them or anything
though. All the ones I rushed would end up peeling off soon after
fitting onto the wheel.

I swap tubes while on the road and fix the punctures at home.
Oh, I just realised that I do actually carry a puncture kit, but that's
only because I use the tyre levers off it - I've never contemplated
doing a roadside puncture repair.

> Patches at 20c each versus dropping $8 every 3 or 4 weeks (racing

Which reminds me.. I need more patches.

hippy

[hippy]

"Gary K" > wrote in message
. au...
> I wait till the glue has lost its shininess, takes about 60 seconds,
> with some blowing. No time at all. The fix is permanent.

My patch jobs never worked properly if I didn't leave them
for ages - like 10-20 minutes. I didn't blow on them or anything
though. All the ones I rushed would end up peeling off soon after
fitting onto the wheel.

I swap tubes while on the road and fix the punctures at home.
Oh, I just realised that I do actually carry a puncture kit, but that's
only because I use the tyre levers off it - I've never contemplated
doing a roadside puncture repair.

> Patches at 20c each versus dropping $8 every 3 or 4 weeks (racing

Which reminds me.. I need more patches.

hippy

[Gary K]

I never spend "minutes" waiting on the roadside. Try blowing on it next
time. At home I'd give it plenty of time, go watch tv or something.
Usually I do just replace the tube, but If I happen to see where the
hole is I think "what the hell", saves me fixing it at home at least.


hippy > wrote:

> "Gary K" > wrote in message
> . au...
> > I wait till the glue has lost its shininess, takes about 60 seconds,
> > with some blowing. No time at all. The fix is permanent.
>
> My patch jobs never worked properly if I didn't leave them
> for ages - like 10-20 minutes. I didn't blow on them or anything
> though. All the ones I rushed would end up peeling off soon after
> fitting onto the wheel.
>
> I swap tubes while on the road and fix the punctures at home.
> Oh, I just realised that I do actually carry a puncture kit, but that's
> only because I use the tyre levers off it - I've never contemplated
> doing a roadside puncture repair.
>
> > Patches at 20c each versus dropping $8 every 3 or 4 weeks (racing
>
> Which reminds me.. I need more patches.
>
> hippy

[Gary K]

I never spend "minutes" waiting on the roadside. Try blowing on it next
time. At home I'd give it plenty of time, go watch tv or something.
Usually I do just replace the tube, but If I happen to see where the
hole is I think "what the hell", saves me fixing it at home at least.


hippy > wrote:

> "Gary K" > wrote in message
> . au...
> > I wait till the glue has lost its shininess, takes about 60 seconds,
> > with some blowing. No time at all. The fix is permanent.
>
> My patch jobs never worked properly if I didn't leave them
> for ages - like 10-20 minutes. I didn't blow on them or anything
> though. All the ones I rushed would end up peeling off soon after
> fitting onto the wheel.
>
> I swap tubes while on the road and fix the punctures at home.
> Oh, I just realised that I do actually carry a puncture kit, but that's
> only because I use the tyre levers off it - I've never contemplated
> doing a roadside puncture repair.
>
> > Patches at 20c each versus dropping $8 every 3 or 4 weeks (racing
>
> Which reminds me.. I need more patches.
>
> hippy

[John Staines]

What does a derogatory msg like that have to do with wanting to fix a
punture?

So what your saying, is that, your "a poof" if you choose to buy a
replacement tube instead of fixing it? Sorry, Luther, but I've never
heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
posts an all.

I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.

It's all a matter of choice. People who replace tubes (myself included)
when they puncture do so because we choose to or in my case because I'm
lazy! :o)

Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)

John

Luther Blissett wrote:
>
> hippy wrote:
> > "Andrew Swan" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>You must mean US$4 judging by the way you spelled "tyre", which is a bit
> >>more expensive in the nicely-coloured money we use here.
> >
> >
> > I pay roughly $7 per tube.
> >
> >
> >>Me, I always carry a spare tube, pump, and patch kit, whether I'm doing
> >>my 4km commute, my 30km morning training, a rec ride with my partner, or
> >
> >
> > Now, this is possibly one of the most pointless arguments i've had, but...
> > on a 4k commute, when you carry a spare tube, why do you need a patch
> > kit too? I could walk the 4k quicker than I could remove the tube, find
> > the puncture, scrub it, whack some glue on, wait for it to go sticky, patch
> > it, wait a bit more, reinstall tube.
> > Maybe on an out-of-the-way 100k training ride a patch kit is useful, but
> > 30k's? How far away is public transport for you?
> > I have it good because I ride along a train line, but still, there's lots of
> > people with cars and taxi's, buses, trains, trams, boats, planes.. okay
> > so I'm getting a little carried away ;)
> >
> >
> >>if you'd been in Centennial Park (that's in Sydney, Australia) last week,
> >>you'd have seen me changing a tube then. If service stations were
> >
> >
> > So, Sydney-siders, how far away is the nearest servo and/or train station
> > from Centennial Park?
> >
> >
> >>omnipresent and/or public transport went where I want, when I want it,
> >
> >
> > Service stations AREN'T omnipresent?!? They always seem that way to
> > me! It can't be much more than a 2k walk between any servo on _my_
> > commute.
> >
> >
> >>at a sensible price, why would there be bike commuters in the first
> >>place (apart from it's fun and I don't have to jam my 187cm into a tiny
> >>bus seat next to a smelly tramp [that's "bum" to you in the US] or a kid
> >>with a doof-doof Walkman)?
> >
> >
> > Hey, leave the doofers alone!
> >
> > hippy | yppih
> > drunk, doofing and proud! (or something)
> >
> >
> I can't believe you poofs that won't patch tubes. I guess with your
> lipstick, makeup etc in your handbags there is no room for a patch
> repair kit.
> It takes around 7 minutes to patch a tube, less than five if you are in
> a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> repair kit from K-Mart.
>
> --
> Cheers
> LB

[John Staines]

What does a derogatory msg like that have to do with wanting to fix a
punture?

So what your saying, is that, your "a poof" if you choose to buy a
replacement tube instead of fixing it? Sorry, Luther, but I've never
heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
posts an all.

I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.

It's all a matter of choice. People who replace tubes (myself included)
when they puncture do so because we choose to or in my case because I'm
lazy! :o)

Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)

John

Luther Blissett wrote:
>
> hippy wrote:
> > "Andrew Swan" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>You must mean US$4 judging by the way you spelled "tyre", which is a bit
> >>more expensive in the nicely-coloured money we use here.
> >
> >
> > I pay roughly $7 per tube.
> >
> >
> >>Me, I always carry a spare tube, pump, and patch kit, whether I'm doing
> >>my 4km commute, my 30km morning training, a rec ride with my partner, or
> >
> >
> > Now, this is possibly one of the most pointless arguments i've had, but...
> > on a 4k commute, when you carry a spare tube, why do you need a patch
> > kit too? I could walk the 4k quicker than I could remove the tube, find
> > the puncture, scrub it, whack some glue on, wait for it to go sticky, patch
> > it, wait a bit more, reinstall tube.
> > Maybe on an out-of-the-way 100k training ride a patch kit is useful, but
> > 30k's? How far away is public transport for you?
> > I have it good because I ride along a train line, but still, there's lots of
> > people with cars and taxi's, buses, trains, trams, boats, planes.. okay
> > so I'm getting a little carried away ;)
> >
> >
> >>if you'd been in Centennial Park (that's in Sydney, Australia) last week,
> >>you'd have seen me changing a tube then. If service stations were
> >
> >
> > So, Sydney-siders, how far away is the nearest servo and/or train station
> > from Centennial Park?
> >
> >
> >>omnipresent and/or public transport went where I want, when I want it,
> >
> >
> > Service stations AREN'T omnipresent?!? They always seem that way to
> > me! It can't be much more than a 2k walk between any servo on _my_
> > commute.
> >
> >
> >>at a sensible price, why would there be bike commuters in the first
> >>place (apart from it's fun and I don't have to jam my 187cm into a tiny
> >>bus seat next to a smelly tramp [that's "bum" to you in the US] or a kid
> >>with a doof-doof Walkman)?
> >
> >
> > Hey, leave the doofers alone!
> >
> > hippy | yppih
> > drunk, doofing and proud! (or something)
> >
> >
> I can't believe you poofs that won't patch tubes. I guess with your
> lipstick, makeup etc in your handbags there is no room for a patch
> repair kit.
> It takes around 7 minutes to patch a tube, less than five if you are in
> a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> repair kit from K-Mart.
>
> --
> Cheers
> LB

[Jose Rizal]

John Staines:

> Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> posts an all.

Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
on with your quaint little life?

> I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.

Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.

Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
****ing moron"....

Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[Jose Rizal]

John Staines:

> Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> posts an all.

Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
on with your quaint little life?

> I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.

Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.

Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
****ing moron"....

Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[hippy]

"Luther Blissett" > wrote
in message ...

<snip> Did you have to re-post the whole thing?

> I can't believe you poofs that won't patch tubes. I guess with your

Poof eh? My girlfriend will be terribly disappointed! :P

Does that mean someone is bisexual if they choose to replace
a tube out on the road and then patch them on returning
home?

> lipstick, makeup etc in your handbags there is no room for a patch
> repair kit.
> It takes around 7 minutes to patch a tube, less than five if you are
in

Well I've never been a skilled patcher, but that's certainly not my
experience.. but then, I'm not in a rush to patch because I'm doing
it at home.. after having replaced my tube on the road.

> a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> repair kit from K-Mart.

Congratulations.

Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
just buying patches!

hippy

[hippy]

"Luther Blissett" > wrote
in message ...

<snip> Did you have to re-post the whole thing?

> I can't believe you poofs that won't patch tubes. I guess with your

Poof eh? My girlfriend will be terribly disappointed! :P

Does that mean someone is bisexual if they choose to replace
a tube out on the road and then patch them on returning
home?

> lipstick, makeup etc in your handbags there is no room for a patch
> repair kit.
> It takes around 7 minutes to patch a tube, less than five if you are
in

Well I've never been a skilled patcher, but that's certainly not my
experience.. but then, I'm not in a rush to patch because I'm doing
it at home.. after having replaced my tube on the road.

> a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> repair kit from K-Mart.

Congratulations.

Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
just buying patches!

hippy

[Luther Blissett]

hippy wrote:
> "Luther Blissett" > wrote
> in message ...
>
> <snip> Did you have to re-post the whole thing?
>
>
>>I can't believe you poofs that won't patch tubes. I guess with your
>
>
> Poof eh? My girlfriend will be terribly disappointed! :P
>
> Does that mean someone is bisexual if they choose to replace
> a tube out on the road and then patch them on returning
> home?
>
>
>>lipstick, makeup etc in your handbags there is no room for a patch
>>repair kit.
>>It takes around 7 minutes to patch a tube, less than five if you are
>
> in
>
> Well I've never been a skilled patcher, but that's certainly not my
> experience.. but then, I'm not in a rush to patch because I'm doing
> it at home.. after having replaced my tube on the road.
>
>
>> a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
>>repair kit from K-Mart.
>
>
> Congratulations.
>
> Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
> just buying patches!
>
> hippy
>
>
I got the repair kit at K-Mart about 2 years ago. They were only $2, had
cement, scraper etc and I think around a dozen patches in each kit. I
thought they were such a good deal I bought 5. I also snapped up an
excellent new lipstick and some nail polish.

--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

hippy wrote:
> "Luther Blissett" > wrote
> in message ...
>
> <snip> Did you have to re-post the whole thing?
>
>
>>I can't believe you poofs that won't patch tubes. I guess with your
>
>
> Poof eh? My girlfriend will be terribly disappointed! :P
>
> Does that mean someone is bisexual if they choose to replace
> a tube out on the road and then patch them on returning
> home?
>
>
>>lipstick, makeup etc in your handbags there is no room for a patch
>>repair kit.
>>It takes around 7 minutes to patch a tube, less than five if you are
>
> in
>
> Well I've never been a skilled patcher, but that's certainly not my
> experience.. but then, I'm not in a rush to patch because I'm doing
> it at home.. after having replaced my tube on the road.
>
>
>> a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
>>repair kit from K-Mart.
>
>
> Congratulations.
>
> Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
> just buying patches!
>
> hippy
>
>
I got the repair kit at K-Mart about 2 years ago. They were only $2, had
cement, scraper etc and I think around a dozen patches in each kit. I
thought they were such a good deal I bought 5. I also snapped up an
excellent new lipstick and some nail polish.

--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

John Staines wrote:

**snip**

> Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)
>
> John

John, John, John. Don't you realise being the PC Police is so last century?
--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

John Staines wrote:

**snip**

> Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)
>
> John

John, John, John. Don't you realise being the PC Police is so last century?
--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

hippy wrote:
*snip* he does go on a bit ...

> Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
> just buying patches!
>
> hippy
>
>
I got it at K-Mart about 2 or 3 years ago, it was only $2 so I got 5 of
them. They included cement, scraper, tubes for presta valves, and about
12 patches.

* I also picked up a new lipstick and some nail polish.

--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

hippy wrote:
*snip* he does go on a bit ...

> Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
> just buying patches!
>
> hippy
>
>
I got it at K-Mart about 2 or 3 years ago, it was only $2 so I got 5 of
them. They included cement, scraper, tubes for presta valves, and about
12 patches.

* I also picked up a new lipstick and some nail polish.

--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

John Staines wrote:
*snip*
> Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)
>
> John

John, you really should realise that being the unecessarily politically
correct police went out about ten years ago (it's oh-so last century!)

For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
Poof
Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within a
community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders often
have such connotations.

Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.
--
Cheers
L "Poofy" B

[Luther Blissett]

John Staines wrote:
*snip*
> Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)
>
> John

John, you really should realise that being the unecessarily politically
correct police went out about ten years ago (it's oh-so last century!)

For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
Poof
Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within a
community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders often
have such connotations.

Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.
--
Cheers
L "Poofy" B

[Luther Blissett]

John Staines wrote:
*snip*

> Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)
>
> John


John, you really should realise that being the unecessarily politically
correct police went out about ten years ago (it's oh-so last century!)

For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
Poof
Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within a
community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders often
have such connotations.

Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.
--
Cheers
L "Poofy" B

[Luther Blissett]

John Staines wrote:
*snip*

> Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)
>
> John


John, you really should realise that being the unecessarily politically
correct police went out about ten years ago (it's oh-so last century!)

For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
Poof
Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within a
community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders often
have such connotations.

Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.
--
Cheers
L "Poofy" B

[Deep Flayed Mares]

> My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> repair kit from K-Mart.

12 Patches!?!?!?!

I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a hell of
a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were you
doing to the poor thing????
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

> My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> repair kit from K-Mart.

12 Patches!?!?!?!

I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a hell of
a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were you
doing to the poor thing????
---
DFM

[DRS]

Luther Blissett > wrote
in message

[...]

> For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
> Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
> Poof
> Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within
> a community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders
> often have such connotations.
>
> Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.

Since this newsgroup is not a community of homosexuals you know full well
that 'poof' is a term of abuse and you used it as such.

--

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Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

[DRS]

Luther Blissett > wrote
in message

[...]

> For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
> Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
> Poof
> Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within
> a community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders
> often have such connotations.
>
> Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.

Since this newsgroup is not a community of homosexuals you know full well
that 'poof' is a term of abuse and you used it as such.

--

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Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

[Gary K]

DRS > wrote:

> Luther Blissett > wrote
> in message
>
> [...]
>
> > For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
> > Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
> > Poof
> > Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within
> > a community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders
> > often have such connotations.
> >
> > Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.
>
> Since this newsgroup is not a community of homosexuals you know full well
> that 'poof' is a term of abuse and you used it as such.

How doya know its not a community of homosexuals? We've just had a bunch
of posters admiting to not patching their own tubes for christsakes!!

[Gary K]

DRS > wrote:

> Luther Blissett > wrote
> in message
>
> [...]
>
> > For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
> > Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
> > Poof
> > Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within
> > a community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders
> > often have such connotations.
> >
> > Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.
>
> Since this newsgroup is not a community of homosexuals you know full well
> that 'poof' is a term of abuse and you used it as such.

How doya know its not a community of homosexuals? We've just had a bunch
of posters admiting to not patching their own tubes for christsakes!!

[Jose Rizal]

hippy:

> "Luther Blissett" > wrote
> in message ...
>
> > a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> > repair kit from K-Mart.
>
> Congratulations.
>
> Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
> just buying patches!
>

I've been using Park Tools' glueless patches for years, and the tubes
that I've repaired with these have stayed leak-free. Prepared properly,
glueless patches can be as good as messy old-fashioned glue and patch.

The trick is in getting the tube surface around the hole clean. Rubbing
alcohol or propanol does this well.

[Jose Rizal]

hippy:

> "Luther Blissett" > wrote
> in message ...
>
> > a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> > repair kit from K-Mart.
>
> Congratulations.
>
> Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
> just buying patches!
>

I've been using Park Tools' glueless patches for years, and the tubes
that I've repaired with these have stayed leak-free. Prepared properly,
glueless patches can be as good as messy old-fashioned glue and patch.

The trick is in getting the tube surface around the hole clean. Rubbing
alcohol or propanol does this well.

[Jose Rizal]

Luther Blissett:

> John Staines wrote:
> *snip*
> > Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)
> >
> > John
>
> John, you really should realise that being the unecessarily politically
> correct police went out about ten years ago (it's oh-so last century!)

Firstly, being aware of prejudice is not being "politically correct".

Secondly, "politically correct" is a phrase coined by neo-conservatives
intent on maintaining the prejudices of the old school. It has no
meaning apart from being used as an insubstantial dismissive.

> For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
> Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
> Poof
> Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within a
> community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders often
> have such connotations.
>
> Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.

Your mistake is in assuming that you understood the definition.
"Community" in this case means people of the same communal beliefs.

As an example, think about the word "wog": when used by the Greek or
Italian communities, no derogations are implied. Wog Boys, Wogs Out Of
Work etc were all acceptable titles for (admittedly very average)
entertainment shows. However, when people from outside those
communities use the term, especially by anglo-saxons, it becomes an
offensive term if not heavily qualified otherwise.

It's a complexity brought about by attempts to claim back derogatory
words and hence reduce their offensiveness. "******" is a term many
black people in the US use amongst themselves; heaven help the non-black
outsider who tries to use it in those communities.

[Jose Rizal]

Luther Blissett:

> John Staines wrote:
> *snip*
> > Now where did I put my eyeliner? ;o)
> >
> > John
>
> John, you really should realise that being the unecessarily politically
> correct police went out about ten years ago (it's oh-so last century!)

Firstly, being aware of prejudice is not being "politically correct".

Secondly, "politically correct" is a phrase coined by neo-conservatives
intent on maintaining the prejudices of the old school. It has no
meaning apart from being used as an insubstantial dismissive.

> For your information, this is from the Macquarie Dictionary, (I'm sure
> Adelaide Uni might have a copy in the library):
> Poof
> Usage: This is one of the small group of words which when used within a
> community have no derogatory overtones, but when used by outsiders often
> have such connotations.
>
> Maybe I made a mistake by assuming this newsgroup was a community.

Your mistake is in assuming that you understood the definition.
"Community" in this case means people of the same communal beliefs.

As an example, think about the word "wog": when used by the Greek or
Italian communities, no derogations are implied. Wog Boys, Wogs Out Of
Work etc were all acceptable titles for (admittedly very average)
entertainment shows. However, when people from outside those
communities use the term, especially by anglo-saxons, it becomes an
offensive term if not heavily qualified otherwise.

It's a complexity brought about by attempts to claim back derogatory
words and hence reduce their offensiveness. "******" is a term many
black people in the US use amongst themselves; heaven help the non-black
outsider who tries to use it in those communities.

[Gary K]

Deep Flayed Mares > wrote:

> > My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> > repair kit from K-Mart.
>
> 12 Patches!?!?!?!
>
> I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a hell of
> a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were you
> doing to the poor thing????
> ---
> DFM

What kind of tyres do you run that never have flats?

[Gary K]

Deep Flayed Mares > wrote:

> > My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> > repair kit from K-Mart.
>
> 12 Patches!?!?!?!
>
> I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a hell of
> a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were you
> doing to the poor thing????
> ---
> DFM

What kind of tyres do you run that never have flats?

[DRS]

Gary K > wrote in message

> DRS > wrote:

[...]

>> Since this newsgroup is not a community of homosexuals you know full
>> well that 'poof' is a term of abuse and you used it as such.
>
> How doya know its not a community of homosexuals? We've just had a
> bunch of posters admiting to not patching their own tubes for
> christsakes!!

"See the nice boys dancing in pairs,
Golden earring, golden tan, blow-wave in the hair.
Sure they're all straight, straight as a line,
All the gays are macho, see their leather shine"

Joe Jackson, Real Men

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

[DRS]

Gary K > wrote in message

> DRS > wrote:

[...]

>> Since this newsgroup is not a community of homosexuals you know full
>> well that 'poof' is a term of abuse and you used it as such.
>
> How doya know its not a community of homosexuals? We've just had a
> bunch of posters admiting to not patching their own tubes for
> christsakes!!

"See the nice boys dancing in pairs,
Golden earring, golden tan, blow-wave in the hair.
Sure they're all straight, straight as a line,
All the gays are macho, see their leather shine"

Joe Jackson, Real Men

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

[Rob]

"Luther Blissett" wrote in message ...

> I can't believe you poofs that won't patch tubes. I guess with your
> lipstick, makeup etc in your handbags there is no room for a patch
> repair kit.
> It takes around 7 minutes to patch a tube, less than five if you are in
> a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> repair kit from K-Mart.
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> LB
>
Does that make those of us who fix a puncture on the road with a new tube, but patch the punctured one at home bi?

Rob

[Rob]

"Luther Blissett" wrote in message ...

> I can't believe you poofs that won't patch tubes. I guess with your
> lipstick, makeup etc in your handbags there is no room for a patch
> repair kit.
> It takes around 7 minutes to patch a tube, less than five if you are in
> a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> repair kit from K-Mart.
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> LB
>
Does that make those of us who fix a puncture on the road with a new tube, but patch the punctured one at home bi?

Rob

[Luther Blissett]

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:

>>My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
>>repair kit from K-Mart.
>
>
> 12 Patches!?!?!?!
>
> I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a hell of
> a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were you
> doing to the poor thing????
> ---
> DFM
>
>
I was working at Bathurst car races, using my bike to get around. I kept
riding over those cathead thorns, so after using both spare tubes I had
to start patching. It was a MTB with knobbly tires, but evolution has
done a fine job designing those thorns. You should have heard the
derogatory terms I used that day!

--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:

>>My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
>>repair kit from K-Mart.
>
>
> 12 Patches!?!?!?!
>
> I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a hell of
> a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were you
> doing to the poor thing????
> ---
> DFM
>
>
I was working at Bathurst car races, using my bike to get around. I kept
riding over those cathead thorns, so after using both spare tubes I had
to start patching. It was a MTB with knobbly tires, but evolution has
done a fine job designing those thorns. You should have heard the
derogatory terms I used that day!

--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

Okay this will be my last post for this thread.

I ask one question:
Why did nobody reply to Zhang Li Yun's original question for 3 days?
It's not like he asked a difficult question or anything, anybody could
have answered it.
So people must have not replied based on one of the following:
(1) He has a chinese name, it must be spam. Ignore him.
(2) His english is not very good, this is an AUSTALIAN newsgroup, so
ignore him.
(3) Plain old racism.

So before you start making false claims of prejudice, think about that
for a while, and ask yourself why it took 3 whole days for someone to
answer his simple question. Prejudice comes in all forms, my friend.

--
Cheers
LB

[Luther Blissett]

Okay this will be my last post for this thread.

I ask one question:
Why did nobody reply to Zhang Li Yun's original question for 3 days?
It's not like he asked a difficult question or anything, anybody could
have answered it.
So people must have not replied based on one of the following:
(1) He has a chinese name, it must be spam. Ignore him.
(2) His english is not very good, this is an AUSTALIAN newsgroup, so
ignore him.
(3) Plain old racism.

So before you start making false claims of prejudice, think about that
for a while, and ask yourself why it took 3 whole days for someone to
answer his simple question. Prejudice comes in all forms, my friend.

--
Cheers
LB

[Tim Jones]

"Jose Rizal" > wrote in message
k.net...
> hippy:
>
> > "Luther Blissett" > wrote
> > in message ...
> >
> > > a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> > > repair kit from K-Mart.
> >
> > Congratulations.
> >
> > Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
> > just buying patches!
> >
>
> I've been using Park Tools' glueless patches for years, and the tubes
> that I've repaired with these have stayed leak-free. Prepared properly,
> glueless patches can be as good as messy old-fashioned glue and patch.
>
> The trick is in getting the tube surface around the hole clean. Rubbing
> alcohol or propanol does this well.

Do you carry this in your bike kit then? Or wait until home to do a repair?

Do they not work when the hole is on a seam?

Tim

[Tim Jones]

"Jose Rizal" > wrote in message
k.net...
> hippy:
>
> > "Luther Blissett" > wrote
> > in message ...
> >
> > > a hurry. My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> > > repair kit from K-Mart.
> >
> > Congratulations.
> >
> > Oh, when did you buy that repair kit? Sounds like a better deal than
> > just buying patches!
> >
>
> I've been using Park Tools' glueless patches for years, and the tubes
> that I've repaired with these have stayed leak-free. Prepared properly,
> glueless patches can be as good as messy old-fashioned glue and patch.
>
> The trick is in getting the tube surface around the hole clean. Rubbing
> alcohol or propanol does this well.

Do you carry this in your bike kit then? Or wait until home to do a repair?

Do they not work when the hole is on a seam?

Tim

[Gary K]

Luther Blissett > wrote:

> Okay this will be my last post for this thread.
>
> I ask one question:
> Why did nobody reply to Zhang Li Yun's original question for 3 days?
> It's not like he asked a difficult question or anything, anybody could
> have answered it.
> So people must have not replied based on one of the following:
> (1) He has a chinese name, it must be spam. Ignore him.
> (2) His english is not very good, this is an AUSTALIAN newsgroup, so
> ignore him.
> (3) Plain old racism.
>
> So before you start making false claims of prejudice, think about that
> for a while, and ask yourself why it took 3 whole days for someone to
> answer his simple question. Prejudice comes in all forms, my friend.

You think he asked a "Simple Question"?!!!

Whats the meaning of life? What should I buy?
Come on, simple questions... answer it in less than 240,000 words
please.

[Gary K]

Luther Blissett > wrote:

> Okay this will be my last post for this thread.
>
> I ask one question:
> Why did nobody reply to Zhang Li Yun's original question for 3 days?
> It's not like he asked a difficult question or anything, anybody could
> have answered it.
> So people must have not replied based on one of the following:
> (1) He has a chinese name, it must be spam. Ignore him.
> (2) His english is not very good, this is an AUSTALIAN newsgroup, so
> ignore him.
> (3) Plain old racism.
>
> So before you start making false claims of prejudice, think about that
> for a while, and ask yourself why it took 3 whole days for someone to
> answer his simple question. Prejudice comes in all forms, my friend.

You think he asked a "Simple Question"?!!!

Whats the meaning of life? What should I buy?
Come on, simple questions... answer it in less than 240,000 words
please.

[Gary K]

Deep Flayed Mares > wrote:

> Gary K > wrote in message
> t.au...
> > Deep Flayed Mares > wrote:
> >
> > > > My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> > > > repair kit from K-Mart.
> > >
> > > 12 Patches!?!?!?!
> > >
> > > I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a hell
> of
> > > a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were you
> > > doing to the poor thing????
> > > ---
> > > DFM
> >
> > What kind of tyres do you run that never have flats?
>
> So even though in the previous statement I said I'd had about 5 punctures in
> 8 years, you still read it as me saying I 'never have flats'?
>
> How could I possibly have stated that any more clearly????
> ---
> DFM

Typo, missed the word "almost".. uh dont bother, I dont want to know...

[Gary K]

Deep Flayed Mares > wrote:

> Gary K > wrote in message
> t.au...
> > Deep Flayed Mares > wrote:
> >
> > > > My record is twelve patches on the one tube, using a $2
> > > > repair kit from K-Mart.
> > >
> > > 12 Patches!?!?!?!
> > >
> > > I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a hell
> of
> > > a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were you
> > > doing to the poor thing????
> > > ---
> > > DFM
> >
> > What kind of tyres do you run that never have flats?
>
> So even though in the previous statement I said I'd had about 5 punctures in
> 8 years, you still read it as me saying I 'never have flats'?
>
> How could I possibly have stated that any more clearly????
> ---
> DFM

Typo, missed the word "almost".. uh dont bother, I dont want to know...

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Luther Blissett > wrote in
message ...
> Okay this will be my last post for this thread.
>
> I ask one question:
> Why did nobody reply to Zhang Li Yun's original question for 3 days?
> It's not like he asked a difficult question or anything, anybody could
> have answered it.
> So people must have not replied based on one of the following:
> (1) He has a chinese name, it must be spam. Ignore him.
> (2) His english is not very good, this is an AUSTALIAN newsgroup, so
> ignore him.
> (3) Plain old racism.
>
> So before you start making false claims of prejudice, think about that
> for a while, and ask yourself why it took 3 whole days for someone to
> answer his simple question. Prejudice comes in all forms, my friend.

WHOAH! Slow down there!!! Just because he is Chinese, does not mean that was
the basis for everyone ignoring him for so long! His question was also very
broad, and thus difficult to know how to approach it. He really should have
included some clues as to what type of riding he may have been planning.

It has nothing to do with his race, I am sure!
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Luther Blissett > wrote in
message ...
> Okay this will be my last post for this thread.
>
> I ask one question:
> Why did nobody reply to Zhang Li Yun's original question for 3 days?
> It's not like he asked a difficult question or anything, anybody could
> have answered it.
> So people must have not replied based on one of the following:
> (1) He has a chinese name, it must be spam. Ignore him.
> (2) His english is not very good, this is an AUSTALIAN newsgroup, so
> ignore him.
> (3) Plain old racism.
>
> So before you start making false claims of prejudice, think about that
> for a while, and ask yourself why it took 3 whole days for someone to
> answer his simple question. Prejudice comes in all forms, my friend.

WHOAH! Slow down there!!! Just because he is Chinese, does not mean that was
the basis for everyone ignoring him for so long! His question was also very
broad, and thus difficult to know how to approach it. He really should have
included some clues as to what type of riding he may have been planning.

It has nothing to do with his race, I am sure!
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

> > > >
> > > > 12 Patches!?!?!?!
> > > >
> > > > I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a
hell
> > of
> > > > a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were
you
> > > > doing to the poor thing????
> > > > ---
> > > > DFM
> > >
> > > What kind of tyres do you run that never have flats?
> >
> > So even though in the previous statement I said I'd had about 5
punctures in
> > 8 years, you still read it as me saying I 'never have flats'?
> >
> > How could I possibly have stated that any more clearly????
> > ---
> > DFM
>
> Typo, missed the word "almost".. uh dont bother, I dont want to know...

Well, I will try to answer anyway.

For mountain bikes, you can get puncture resistant tyres. These are handy in
places like Adelaide, where 3-corner jacks are lethal. Another technique I
have seen which works for a variety of situations is to line the tyre with
another tube. This provides a rather effective barrier.

In Melbourne at the moment, and I have employed neither of these methods
(coz I have access to free tubes), and have had one flat in about six
months. This was when I ran over some broken glass in a bike lane. I have
noticed that there is a lot of broken glass in the bike lanes of Melbourne
for some reason. Dodging is required.
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

> > > >
> > > > 12 Patches!?!?!?!
> > > >
> > > > I have had about 5 punctures in the last 8 years, and have ridden a
hell
> > of
> > > > a lot in that time. What sort of bike was it and what the hell were
you
> > > > doing to the poor thing????
> > > > ---
> > > > DFM
> > >
> > > What kind of tyres do you run that never have flats?
> >
> > So even though in the previous statement I said I'd had about 5
punctures in
> > 8 years, you still read it as me saying I 'never have flats'?
> >
> > How could I possibly have stated that any more clearly????
> > ---
> > DFM
>
> Typo, missed the word "almost".. uh dont bother, I dont want to know...

Well, I will try to answer anyway.

For mountain bikes, you can get puncture resistant tyres. These are handy in
places like Adelaide, where 3-corner jacks are lethal. Another technique I
have seen which works for a variety of situations is to line the tyre with
another tube. This provides a rather effective barrier.

In Melbourne at the moment, and I have employed neither of these methods
(coz I have access to free tubes), and have had one flat in about six
months. This was when I ran over some broken glass in a bike lane. I have
noticed that there is a lot of broken glass in the bike lanes of Melbourne
for some reason. Dodging is required.
---
DFM

[gaza]

I've been lurking around this newsgroup for a week or so trying to pick up
some info on an upcoming bike purchase and being on the wrong side of 40, I
have to ask......whatever happened to the old vulcanised rubber patches I
used as a kid. Are they obsolete/useless/unavailable?????
I remember they always seemed to work well, but you did need to carry a box
of matches I think.

[gaza]

I've been lurking around this newsgroup for a week or so trying to pick up
some info on an upcoming bike purchase and being on the wrong side of 40, I
have to ask......whatever happened to the old vulcanised rubber patches I
used as a kid. Are they obsolete/useless/unavailable?????
I remember they always seemed to work well, but you did need to carry a box
of matches I think.

[Lindsay Rowlands]

gaza > wrote:
: I've been lurking around this newsgroup for a week or so trying to pick up
: some info on an upcoming bike purchase and being on the wrong side of 40, I
: have to ask......whatever happened to the old vulcanised rubber patches I
: used as a kid. Are they obsolete/useless/unavailable?????
: I remember they always seemed to work well, but you did need to carry a box
: of matches I think.

In modern times, all that is required is a patch, some method of
cleaning/roughing the area, and some glue. When properly applied, a patch
can be a thing of beauty. My mate once had a MTB tube with 30 patches on
it before he retired (scuse the pun) it. It would have passed for a
Picasso in the right context.

I remember the vulcanizing patches. They were bulky, needed a big brass
clamp and were no better than the glue ones we have now. Spectacular just
the same and great for pulling a crowd when lit. You could probably find
a kit in an antique market. Lots of luck.

Cheerz,
Lynzz

[Lindsay Rowlands]

gaza > wrote:
: I've been lurking around this newsgroup for a week or so trying to pick up
: some info on an upcoming bike purchase and being on the wrong side of 40, I
: have to ask......whatever happened to the old vulcanised rubber patches I
: used as a kid. Are they obsolete/useless/unavailable?????
: I remember they always seemed to work well, but you did need to carry a box
: of matches I think.

In modern times, all that is required is a patch, some method of
cleaning/roughing the area, and some glue. When properly applied, a patch
can be a thing of beauty. My mate once had a MTB tube with 30 patches on
it before he retired (scuse the pun) it. It would have passed for a
Picasso in the right context.

I remember the vulcanizing patches. They were bulky, needed a big brass
clamp and were no better than the glue ones we have now. Spectacular just
the same and great for pulling a crowd when lit. You could probably find
a kit in an antique market. Lots of luck.

Cheerz,
Lynzz

[Jose Rizal]

Tim Jones:

>
> "Jose Rizal" > wrote in message
> k.net...

> > I've been using Park Tools' glueless patches for years, and the tubes
> > that I've repaired with these have stayed leak-free. Prepared properly,
> > glueless patches can be as good as messy old-fashioned glue and patch.
> >
> > The trick is in getting the tube surface around the hole clean. Rubbing
> > alcohol or propanol does this well.
>
> Do you carry this in your bike kit then? Or wait until home to do a repair?

Since the little box with glueless patches and sandpaper weighs very
little and occupies a tiny volume, I carry one in my saddlebag. Alcohol
swabs that come in little packets double as part of a first aid kit, so
those aren't hard to carry as well. However, I carry a spare tube, so
the patches really only serve to be useful if a second blowout happens,
or if the tube on the other tyre gets punctured. I prefer to repair
holes in tubes at home.

> Do they not work when the hole is on a seam?

I've patched holes in seams with the Park patches, and still am using
those tubes a couple of years later. If the seam has a substantial
amount of rubber sticking out, carefully cutting this with a pair of
scissors works, otherwise careful sanding of the seam may be enough.
You must avoid applying the patch on a seam which then has an overlap at
the seam, ie the seam must be as flat as you can make it.

[Jose Rizal]

Tim Jones:

>
> "Jose Rizal" > wrote in message
> k.net...

> > I've been using Park Tools' glueless patches for years, and the tubes
> > that I've repaired with these have stayed leak-free. Prepared properly,
> > glueless patches can be as good as messy old-fashioned glue and patch.
> >
> > The trick is in getting the tube surface around the hole clean. Rubbing
> > alcohol or propanol does this well.
>
> Do you carry this in your bike kit then? Or wait until home to do a repair?

Since the little box with glueless patches and sandpaper weighs very
little and occupies a tiny volume, I carry one in my saddlebag. Alcohol
swabs that come in little packets double as part of a first aid kit, so
those aren't hard to carry as well. However, I carry a spare tube, so
the patches really only serve to be useful if a second blowout happens,
or if the tube on the other tyre gets punctured. I prefer to repair
holes in tubes at home.

> Do they not work when the hole is on a seam?

I've patched holes in seams with the Park patches, and still am using
those tubes a couple of years later. If the seam has a substantial
amount of rubber sticking out, carefully cutting this with a pair of
scissors works, otherwise careful sanding of the seam may be enough.
You must avoid applying the patch on a seam which then has an overlap at
the seam, ie the seam must be as flat as you can make it.

[Tim Jones]

"Jose Rizal" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Tim Jones:
>
> >
> > "Jose Rizal" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
>
> > > I've been using Park Tools' glueless patches for years, and the tubes
> > > that I've repaired with these have stayed leak-free. Prepared
properly,
> > > glueless patches can be as good as messy old-fashioned glue and patch.
> > >
> > > The trick is in getting the tube surface around the hole clean.
Rubbing
> > > alcohol or propanol does this well.
> >
> > Do you carry this in your bike kit then? Or wait until home to do a
repair?
>
> Since the little box with glueless patches and sandpaper weighs very
> little and occupies a tiny volume, I carry one in my saddlebag. Alcohol
> swabs that come in little packets double as part of a first aid kit, so
> those aren't hard to carry as well. However, I carry a spare tube, so
> the patches really only serve to be useful if a second blowout happens,
> or if the tube on the other tyre gets punctured. I prefer to repair
> holes in tubes at home.
>
> > Do they not work when the hole is on a seam?
>
> I've patched holes in seams with the Park patches, and still am using
> those tubes a couple of years later. If the seam has a substantial
> amount of rubber sticking out, carefully cutting this with a pair of
> scissors works, otherwise careful sanding of the seam may be enough.
> You must avoid applying the patch on a seam which then has an overlap at
> the seam, ie the seam must be as flat as you can make it.
>

Thanks Jose,

I might go and get some alcohol swabs - sounds like a good idea for any type
of patches.

Tim

[Tim Jones]

"Jose Rizal" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Tim Jones:
>
> >
> > "Jose Rizal" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
>
> > > I've been using Park Tools' glueless patches for years, and the tubes
> > > that I've repaired with these have stayed leak-free. Prepared
properly,
> > > glueless patches can be as good as messy old-fashioned glue and patch.
> > >
> > > The trick is in getting the tube surface around the hole clean.
Rubbing
> > > alcohol or propanol does this well.
> >
> > Do you carry this in your bike kit then? Or wait until home to do a
repair?
>
> Since the little box with glueless patches and sandpaper weighs very
> little and occupies a tiny volume, I carry one in my saddlebag. Alcohol
> swabs that come in little packets double as part of a first aid kit, so
> those aren't hard to carry as well. However, I carry a spare tube, so
> the patches really only serve to be useful if a second blowout happens,
> or if the tube on the other tyre gets punctured. I prefer to repair
> holes in tubes at home.
>
> > Do they not work when the hole is on a seam?
>
> I've patched holes in seams with the Park patches, and still am using
> those tubes a couple of years later. If the seam has a substantial
> amount of rubber sticking out, carefully cutting this with a pair of
> scissors works, otherwise careful sanding of the seam may be enough.
> You must avoid applying the patch on a seam which then has an overlap at
> the seam, ie the seam must be as flat as you can make it.
>

Thanks Jose,

I might go and get some alcohol swabs - sounds like a good idea for any type
of patches.

Tim

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Tim Jones > wrote in message
. au...
>
> "Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
> message ...
>
> <...>
>
> > In Melbourne at the moment, and I have employed neither of these methods
> > (coz I have access to free tubes), and have had one flat in about six
> > months. This was when I ran over some broken glass in a bike lane. I
have
> > noticed that there is a lot of broken glass in the bike lanes of
Melbourne
> > for some reason. Dodging is required.
> > ---
> > DFM
> >
>
> I think this is because the banks of the Yarra are favourite drinking
spots
> for underage partiers. And when they get ****ed, they then have no
problems
> throwing the empties on whatever hard surface "for fun".
>
> The same sort of arseholes who stole my letter box Friday night (as well
as
> a bunch of others around the area).
>
> On that topic, someone told me what their father did when faced with
regular
> removal of letter boxes: hammer a few 4 inch nails through the box so they
> stick out the bottom. To get the box out, they inevitably kick or punch up
> from beneath in dark circumstances. A couple of week later, he found some
> left over giblets on the bottom of his box.

I don't think the law would approve of that, but I might!
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Tim Jones > wrote in message
. au...
>
> "Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
> message ...
>
> <...>
>
> > In Melbourne at the moment, and I have employed neither of these methods
> > (coz I have access to free tubes), and have had one flat in about six
> > months. This was when I ran over some broken glass in a bike lane. I
have
> > noticed that there is a lot of broken glass in the bike lanes of
Melbourne
> > for some reason. Dodging is required.
> > ---
> > DFM
> >
>
> I think this is because the banks of the Yarra are favourite drinking
spots
> for underage partiers. And when they get ****ed, they then have no
problems
> throwing the empties on whatever hard surface "for fun".
>
> The same sort of arseholes who stole my letter box Friday night (as well
as
> a bunch of others around the area).
>
> On that topic, someone told me what their father did when faced with
regular
> removal of letter boxes: hammer a few 4 inch nails through the box so they
> stick out the bottom. To get the box out, they inevitably kick or punch up
> from beneath in dark circumstances. A couple of week later, he found some
> left over giblets on the bottom of his box.

I don't think the law would approve of that, but I might!
---
DFM

[Andrew Swan]

Lindsay Rowlands wrote:
<snip>
> can be a thing of beauty. My mate once had a MTB tube with 30 patches on
> it before he retired (scuse the pun) it. It would have passed for a
> Picasso in the right context.
>
> Cheerz,
> Lynzz

30 patches!!!???? What did this thing weigh?

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

Lindsay Rowlands wrote:
<snip>
> can be a thing of beauty. My mate once had a MTB tube with 30 patches on
> it before he retired (scuse the pun) it. It would have passed for a
> Picasso in the right context.
>
> Cheerz,
> Lynzz

30 patches!!!???? What did this thing weigh?

&roo

[Gary K]

Lindsay Rowlands > wrote:

> gaza > wrote:
> : I've been lurking around this newsgroup for a week or so trying to pick up
> : some info on an upcoming bike purchase and being on the wrong side of 40, I
> : have to ask......whatever happened to the old vulcanised rubber patches I
> : used as a kid. Are they obsolete/useless/unavailable?????
> : I remember they always seemed to work well, but you did need to carry a box
> : of matches I think.
>
> In modern times, all that is required is a patch, some method of
> cleaning/roughing the area, and some glue. When properly applied, a patch
> can be a thing of beauty. My mate once had a MTB tube with 30 patches on
> it before he retired (scuse the pun) it. It would have passed for a
> Picasso in the right context.
>
> I remember the vulcanizing patches. They were bulky, needed a big brass
> clamp and were no better than the glue ones we have now. Spectacular just
> the same and great for pulling a crowd when lit. You could probably find
> a kit in an antique market. Lots of luck.

I forgot about that bloody clamp.. No wonder those things have
dissappeared out of sight.

[Gary K]

Lindsay Rowlands > wrote:

> gaza > wrote:
> : I've been lurking around this newsgroup for a week or so trying to pick up
> : some info on an upcoming bike purchase and being on the wrong side of 40, I
> : have to ask......whatever happened to the old vulcanised rubber patches I
> : used as a kid. Are they obsolete/useless/unavailable?????
> : I remember they always seemed to work well, but you did need to carry a box
> : of matches I think.
>
> In modern times, all that is required is a patch, some method of
> cleaning/roughing the area, and some glue. When properly applied, a patch
> can be a thing of beauty. My mate once had a MTB tube with 30 patches on
> it before he retired (scuse the pun) it. It would have passed for a
> Picasso in the right context.
>
> I remember the vulcanizing patches. They were bulky, needed a big brass
> clamp and were no better than the glue ones we have now. Spectacular just
> the same and great for pulling a crowd when lit. You could probably find
> a kit in an antique market. Lots of luck.

I forgot about that bloody clamp.. No wonder those things have
dissappeared out of sight.

[Luther Blissett]

I'm going to Canberra on Saturday. I'll see if they have any in the
fireworks shops!

--
Cheers
LB

No matter how fast I ride, my posts always catch up with me.

[Luther Blissett]

I'm going to Canberra on Saturday. I'll see if they have any in the
fireworks shops!

--
Cheers
LB

No matter how fast I ride, my posts always catch up with me.

[DRS]

Andrew Swan > wrote in message

> DRS wrote:
>> Does this group have an FAQ?
>
> Great idea. I don't know, but here's a good one from another bike NG:
>
> http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/index.html

Wow! It's even got it's own Ode to a Usenet Kook.

aus.bicycle does need something similar though.

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

[DRS]

Andrew Swan > wrote in message

> DRS wrote:
>> Does this group have an FAQ?
>
> Great idea. I don't know, but here's a good one from another bike NG:
>
> http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/index.html

Wow! It's even got it's own Ode to a Usenet Kook.

aus.bicycle does need something similar though.

--

A: Top-posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

[John Staines]

Jose

I replied to Luthers post because I'm entitled to my opinion and wanted
to disagree with what he was refering to. Whether Luther agrees with me
is upto him as he obviously has his own opinion whether I think it's
wrong is besides the point.

You on the other hand think that your opinion, thoughts, drivel or
whatever else you choose to call them are the be all and end all and if
the person, heaven forbid, should disagree with you then you abuse and
ridicule them.

So get your head out of your arse cos I hate to break your self
delusional imagine of yourself but your a ****.

If you want to discuss this further then I suggest you email in private
or we could meet up face to face and I'll show you what "quaint" is all
about?????

You spinless ****er

I apologise to the list as I would prefer to respond to Jose in private
but am unable to do so



Jose Rizal wrote:
>
> John Staines:
>
> > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > posts an all.
>
> Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> on with your quaint little life?
>
> > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
>
> Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
>
> Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> ****ing moron"....
>
> Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[John Staines]

Jose

I replied to Luthers post because I'm entitled to my opinion and wanted
to disagree with what he was refering to. Whether Luther agrees with me
is upto him as he obviously has his own opinion whether I think it's
wrong is besides the point.

You on the other hand think that your opinion, thoughts, drivel or
whatever else you choose to call them are the be all and end all and if
the person, heaven forbid, should disagree with you then you abuse and
ridicule them.

So get your head out of your arse cos I hate to break your self
delusional imagine of yourself but your a ****.

If you want to discuss this further then I suggest you email in private
or we could meet up face to face and I'll show you what "quaint" is all
about?????

You spinless ****er

I apologise to the list as I would prefer to respond to Jose in private
but am unable to do so



Jose Rizal wrote:
>
> John Staines:
>
> > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > posts an all.
>
> Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> on with your quaint little life?
>
> > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
>
> Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
>
> Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> ****ing moron"....
>
> Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Someone needs a hug!
---
DFM

John Staines > wrote in message
...
> Jose
>
> I replied to Luthers post because I'm entitled to my opinion and wanted
> to disagree with what he was refering to. Whether Luther agrees with me
> is upto him as he obviously has his own opinion whether I think it's
> wrong is besides the point.
>
> You on the other hand think that your opinion, thoughts, drivel or
> whatever else you choose to call them are the be all and end all and if
> the person, heaven forbid, should disagree with you then you abuse and
> ridicule them.
>
> So get your head out of your arse cos I hate to break your self
> delusional imagine of yourself but your a ****.
>
> If you want to discuss this further then I suggest you email in private
> or we could meet up face to face and I'll show you what "quaint" is all
> about?????
>
> You spinless ****er
>
> I apologise to the list as I would prefer to respond to Jose in private
> but am unable to do so
>
>
>
> Jose Rizal wrote:
> >
> > John Staines:
> >
> > > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > > posts an all.
> >
> > Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> > at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> > these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> > on with your quaint little life?
> >
> > > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
> >
> > Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> > irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
> >
> > Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> > in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> > intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> > ****ing moron"....
> >
> > Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Someone needs a hug!
---
DFM

John Staines > wrote in message
...
> Jose
>
> I replied to Luthers post because I'm entitled to my opinion and wanted
> to disagree with what he was refering to. Whether Luther agrees with me
> is upto him as he obviously has his own opinion whether I think it's
> wrong is besides the point.
>
> You on the other hand think that your opinion, thoughts, drivel or
> whatever else you choose to call them are the be all and end all and if
> the person, heaven forbid, should disagree with you then you abuse and
> ridicule them.
>
> So get your head out of your arse cos I hate to break your self
> delusional imagine of yourself but your a ****.
>
> If you want to discuss this further then I suggest you email in private
> or we could meet up face to face and I'll show you what "quaint" is all
> about?????
>
> You spinless ****er
>
> I apologise to the list as I would prefer to respond to Jose in private
> but am unable to do so
>
>
>
> Jose Rizal wrote:
> >
> > John Staines:
> >
> > > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > > posts an all.
> >
> > Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> > at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> > these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> > on with your quaint little life?
> >
> > > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
> >
> > Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> > irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
> >
> > Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> > in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> > intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> > ****ing moron"....
> >
> > Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[John Staines]

hehe you offering Deep Flayed Mares? :o)

Mondays....I'm like a bear with a sore head :o)

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
>
> Someone needs a hug!
> ---
> DFM
>
> John Staines > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jose
> >
> > I replied to Luthers post because I'm entitled to my opinion and wanted
> > to disagree with what he was refering to. Whether Luther agrees with me
> > is upto him as he obviously has his own opinion whether I think it's
> > wrong is besides the point.
> >
> > You on the other hand think that your opinion, thoughts, drivel or
> > whatever else you choose to call them are the be all and end all and if
> > the person, heaven forbid, should disagree with you then you abuse and
> > ridicule them.
> >
> > So get your head out of your arse cos I hate to break your self
> > delusional imagine of yourself but your a ****.
> >
> > If you want to discuss this further then I suggest you email in private
> > or we could meet up face to face and I'll show you what "quaint" is all
> > about?????
> >
> > You spinless ****er
> >
> > I apologise to the list as I would prefer to respond to Jose in private
> > but am unable to do so
> >
> >
> >
> > Jose Rizal wrote:
> > >
> > > John Staines:
> > >
> > > > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > > > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > > > posts an all.
> > >
> > > Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> > > at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> > > these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> > > on with your quaint little life?
> > >
> > > > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > > > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
> > >
> > > Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> > > irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
> > >
> > > Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> > > in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> > > intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> > > ****ing moron"....
> > >
> > > Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[John Staines]

hehe you offering Deep Flayed Mares? :o)

Mondays....I'm like a bear with a sore head :o)

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
>
> Someone needs a hug!
> ---
> DFM
>
> John Staines > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jose
> >
> > I replied to Luthers post because I'm entitled to my opinion and wanted
> > to disagree with what he was refering to. Whether Luther agrees with me
> > is upto him as he obviously has his own opinion whether I think it's
> > wrong is besides the point.
> >
> > You on the other hand think that your opinion, thoughts, drivel or
> > whatever else you choose to call them are the be all and end all and if
> > the person, heaven forbid, should disagree with you then you abuse and
> > ridicule them.
> >
> > So get your head out of your arse cos I hate to break your self
> > delusional imagine of yourself but your a ****.
> >
> > If you want to discuss this further then I suggest you email in private
> > or we could meet up face to face and I'll show you what "quaint" is all
> > about?????
> >
> > You spinless ****er
> >
> > I apologise to the list as I would prefer to respond to Jose in private
> > but am unable to do so
> >
> >
> >
> > Jose Rizal wrote:
> > >
> > > John Staines:
> > >
> > > > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > > > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > > > posts an all.
> > >
> > > Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> > > at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> > > these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> > > on with your quaint little life?
> > >
> > > > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > > > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
> > >
> > > Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> > > irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
> > >
> > > Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> > > in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> > > intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> > > ****ing moron"....
> > >
> > > Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[Jose Rizal]

John Staines:

> Jose
>
> I replied to Luthers

That's "Luther's".

> post because I'm entitled to my opinion and wanted
> to disagree with what he was refering to.

That's "referring".

> You on the other hand think that your opinion, thoughts, drivel or
> whatever else you choose to call them are the be all and end all and if
> the person, heaven forbid, should disagree with you then you abuse and
> ridicule them.

Excellent. Now having written that, let's now see what you follow it up
with:

> So get your head out of your arse cos

That's "because"

> I hate to break your self
> delusional imagine

That's "image".

> of yourself but your a ****.

That's "you're".

Pretty contradictory to what you're preaching, isn't it? I wouldn't be
surprised though if it all goes over your head.

> If you want to discuss this further then I suggest you email in private
> or we could meet up face to face and I'll show you what "quaint" is all
> about?????

No, I don't want a date with you, and I prefer that you keep your
physical endowments out of sight, if you please. I'm not into quaint
little idiots who have no grasp of concepts slightly more complex than
the simplistic water-cooler banter about the previous day's telly. You
might have better luck with the singles ads.

> You spinless ****er

That's "spineless".

> I apologise to the list as I would prefer to respond to Jose in private
> but am unable to do so

Why John, am I turning you on?

As expected, no comments on the topic raised, but instead another
tiresome, barely literate whine full of trailer trash name-calling and
comical foot-stomping.

If you can't stand any insults, I suggest you stop dishing them out, as
you can see form your post below. Like I wrote before, stick to
harmless giggling at gossip, Johnny.

>
> Jose Rizal wrote:
> >
> > John Staines:
> >
> > > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > > posts an all.
> >
> > Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> > at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> > these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> > on with your quaint little life?
> >
> > > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
> >
> > Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> > irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
> >
> > Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> > in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> > intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> > ****ing moron"....
> >
> > Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[Jose Rizal]

John Staines:

> Jose
>
> I replied to Luthers

That's "Luther's".

> post because I'm entitled to my opinion and wanted
> to disagree with what he was refering to.

That's "referring".

> You on the other hand think that your opinion, thoughts, drivel or
> whatever else you choose to call them are the be all and end all and if
> the person, heaven forbid, should disagree with you then you abuse and
> ridicule them.

Excellent. Now having written that, let's now see what you follow it up
with:

> So get your head out of your arse cos

That's "because"

> I hate to break your self
> delusional imagine

That's "image".

> of yourself but your a ****.

That's "you're".

Pretty contradictory to what you're preaching, isn't it? I wouldn't be
surprised though if it all goes over your head.

> If you want to discuss this further then I suggest you email in private
> or we could meet up face to face and I'll show you what "quaint" is all
> about?????

No, I don't want a date with you, and I prefer that you keep your
physical endowments out of sight, if you please. I'm not into quaint
little idiots who have no grasp of concepts slightly more complex than
the simplistic water-cooler banter about the previous day's telly. You
might have better luck with the singles ads.

> You spinless ****er

That's "spineless".

> I apologise to the list as I would prefer to respond to Jose in private
> but am unable to do so

Why John, am I turning you on?

As expected, no comments on the topic raised, but instead another
tiresome, barely literate whine full of trailer trash name-calling and
comical foot-stomping.

If you can't stand any insults, I suggest you stop dishing them out, as
you can see form your post below. Like I wrote before, stick to
harmless giggling at gossip, Johnny.

>
> Jose Rizal wrote:
> >
> > John Staines:
> >
> > > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > > posts an all.
> >
> > Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> > at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> > these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> > on with your quaint little life?
> >
> > > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
> >
> > Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> > irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
> >
> > Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> > in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> > intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> > ****ing moron"....
> >
> > Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[Jose Rizal]

John Staines:

> Nice to see your still reading my posts.

Yes, I watch out for them at the same time I browse the funny pages
because fictional humour is great, but your real-life posts are even
funnier.

>
> Jose Rizal wrote:
> >
> > John Staines:
> >
> > > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > > posts an all.
> >
> > Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> > at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> > these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> > on with your quaint little life?
> >
> > > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
> >
> > Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> > irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
> >
> > Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> > in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> > intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> > ****ing moron"....
> >
> > Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[Jose Rizal]

John Staines:

> Nice to see your still reading my posts.

Yes, I watch out for them at the same time I browse the funny pages
because fictional humour is great, but your real-life posts are even
funnier.

>
> Jose Rizal wrote:
> >
> > John Staines:
> >
> > > Sorry, Luther, but I've never
> > > heard so much tosh in all my life! That goes for having to read Jose's
> > > posts an all.
> >
> > Come now John, you've been shown to be a himbo more suited to giggling
> > at gossip and inanities than discussing issues of substance, whether
> > these be bike related or not. Why don't you just accept this and move
> > on with your quaint little life?
> >
> > > I don't understand why you feel the need to use someones sexual
> > > preference to make your point. Whether it be in jest or not.
> >
> > Ah, so now you argue that someone's sexual preference is in fact
> > irrelevant to their behaviour in other areas.
> >
> > Why, if that wasn't just my point about mentioning someone's ethnicity
> > in relation to their riding behaviour... and all that the power of your
> > intellect can come up for that in retort was the devastating phrase "you
> > ****ing moron"....
> >
> > Stick to giggles and gossip, my "tolerant friend".

[Deep Flayed Mares]

>
> As expected, no comments on the topic raised, but instead another
> tiresome, barely literate whine full of trailer trash name-calling and
> comical foot-stomping.

Any guesses as to the nationality of this guy?
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

>
> As expected, no comments on the topic raised, but instead another
> tiresome, barely literate whine full of trailer trash name-calling and
> comical foot-stomping.

Any guesses as to the nationality of this guy?
---
DFM

[John Staines]

Deffo a Springer/Ricki watcher.

But are you sure it's a guy?

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
>
> >
> > As expected, no comments on the topic raised, but instead another
> > tiresome, barely literate whine full of trailer trash name-calling and
> > comical foot-stomping.
>
> Any guesses as to the nationality of this guy?
> ---
> DFM

[John Staines]

Deffo a Springer/Ricki watcher.

But are you sure it's a guy?

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
>
> >
> > As expected, no comments on the topic raised, but instead another
> > tiresome, barely literate whine full of trailer trash name-calling and
> > comical foot-stomping.
>
> Any guesses as to the nationality of this guy?
> ---
> DFM

[Jose Rizal]

John Staines:

> Deffo a Springer/Ricki watcher.

Yes, just keep giggling at gossip...

> But are you sure it's a guy?

Well, one thing I'm sure of: The University will be interested to know
how you use its resources to post your trash. You really are an
incurable idiot for not being aware of the consequences of your little
personal vendettas on a public forum such as this.

It's amazing how you tout yourself as a University staff member, use a
University e-mail account, and spout the kind of illiterate, uneducated
rubbish that you do. It's a poor reflection on the University's
judgement, and one which they might want to correct.

Keep up the posts: the dirt which will bury you just keep piling higher.

> Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > As expected, no comments on the topic raised, but instead another
> > > tiresome, barely literate whine full of trailer trash name-calling and
> > > comical foot-stomping.
> >
> > Any guesses as to the nationality of this guy?
> > ---
> > DFM

[Jose Rizal]

John Staines:

> Deffo a Springer/Ricki watcher.

Yes, just keep giggling at gossip...

> But are you sure it's a guy?

Well, one thing I'm sure of: The University will be interested to know
how you use its resources to post your trash. You really are an
incurable idiot for not being aware of the consequences of your little
personal vendettas on a public forum such as this.

It's amazing how you tout yourself as a University staff member, use a
University e-mail account, and spout the kind of illiterate, uneducated
rubbish that you do. It's a poor reflection on the University's
judgement, and one which they might want to correct.

Keep up the posts: the dirt which will bury you just keep piling higher.

> Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > As expected, no comments on the topic raised, but instead another
> > > tiresome, barely literate whine full of trailer trash name-calling and
> > > comical foot-stomping.
> >
> > Any guesses as to the nationality of this guy?
> > ---
> > DFM