Re: Strange fatigue again...? (long)

[Mitch Pollard]

When was the last time you checked your blood pressure at the doctors...
i dont know if you were being sarcastic when you called yourself a fatty.
but how fat are you really. i assume not that fat because you are riding so
much.

I might also ask not lack of food. but what types of food have you eaten.
out of the normal day to day stuff that you eat without getting this effect
on your body.

how much water did you drink that day ? dehydration can hit you like that.
light headedness dizzyness. even neaseas. have a look..try some self
diagnosis. analysis..im only generalising im only 20 years old and never
passed a year of high school..
but dont rule these symptoms out. could be dangerous to your health long
term, could be something major. or something not so major like the above
mentioned. good luck


"hippy" > wrote in message
...
> (x-posted: aus.bicycle, rec.bicycles.misc)
>
> I've written about this before but it happened again
> and it was worse than previous occasions so I'm
> posting about it again.
>
> From last weekend:
> Sat: Solo 52k on new mtb singlespeed (32/15 gearing = hard)
> Sun: Solo 100k on roadbike except fast Beach Rd. bit in
> middle swapping turns with someone in Fitzroy Cycles kit into
> strong headwind. Really pushed hard at the end too, to get
> under 4hrs. (hard)
> Mon: 26k each way commute on singlespeed (hard)
> Tue: 26k x 2 commute on 'normal' mtb after nearly losing
> manhood on toptube after throwing the chain on
> singlespeed! (easy?)
> Wed: 26k in-bound on normal mtb at easy pace, no problems...
>
> On the way home wed night though, about 15 minutes and 5k's
> into the ride I was feeling totally light-headed and dizzy. My
> body felt strange and "light" also. Not fatigued like "I've done
> 100k and now my legs feel like lead" fatigued, it was a strange
> 'lack of energy' all over body weakness. It felt like I was going
> to fall asleep and I was in the granny ring doing, like 15kph or
> something!
> Now, if you know me, you'll know that I don't stop during
> rides, basically ever. In three years commuting I would have
> stopped a ride maybe 10 times due to punctures or meeting
> somone I knew and chatting.
> You'd also know that there is no way in hell I'd ever pay the
> over inflated service station prices for anything...
> Well, I was so weak, I had to sit down on the footpath for
> 10mins!
> To get going again, I bought some chocolate from a servo..
> now that's totally against normal behaviour for me, but like I
> said, my body had this strange wash of numbness over it and
> I just couldn't go on without doing something about it - like
> resting and eating.
> Now, you might be thinking "oh, well you bonked" and I
> would think the same thing, but I've done a long ride with no
> food before and know what that bonk was like for me - "I
> don't want to continue, someone just come and drive me
> home!" and then I eat and wait and i'm all good again. This
> was different with the whole light-headedness and I still
> wanted to ride, just couldn't.
> Also, I'd eaten stacks that day! I was scoffing those new
> Milo breakfast cereal flakes straight from the box all
> afternoon! (I am a freak when it comes to food consumption
> though.. no wonder I'm a fatty!).
> Anyway after the rest and the snack I felt a bit better and
> ended up riding home, in a reasonable time minus the stop.
>
> So, I know I've asked this before and I'll probably get similar
> answers (lack of food, etc) but are there any other possibilities?
> How much does lack of sleep effect your performance over
> time?
> How much sleep do most people get anyway? We are
> supposed to get 8-10 hours a day but does anyone even get
> near that?!
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
> hippy ( not the ganja smoking, acid munching variety either! ;-) )
>
>

[Pete.B]

(Top-posted to get attention)

Hippy

I'll second Mitch - visit the doctor ASAP,

I was a very keen Audax rider building up to attempt the Paris-Brest in 99.
In late 98 I completed a solo 400Km ride in 26 hours on $500 Giant hybrid
Early 99 I did the 200K Alpine classic, on an MTB.
I weighed 100kg, (182cm) the lightest I had been for 10 years. and was the
fittest I could ever rememember being.

By mid 99 though riding a better custom-fitted road bike, I started to find
myself dropping of the back of the peloton on a 300K Audax ride in the

Strathbogies. Not quite light headed but definately no energy despite eating
& drinking properly.
I never consulted my doctor about the lack of energy I just assumed
wasn't training properly because of winter and it would pick up in spring.

I started filing to complete more & more winter Audax rides.

By Cup Day 99 I was in hospital following a severe angina attack.

Before the year was out, I had an angiogram showing 3 blockages of 80% 60%
and 40% to arteries around my heart and was admitted for heart surgery.

This mightn't be you but PLEASE go to your health provider and explain all
your symptoms.

Best of health,
Pete


> When was the last time you checked your blood pressure at the doctors...
<snipped for Brevity>
> but dont rule these symptoms out. could be dangerous to your health long
> term, could be something major. or something not so major like the above
> mentioned. good luck
>
Mitch Pollard wrote:


>
> "hippy" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>(x-posted: aus.bicycle, rec.bicycles.misc)
>>
>>I've written about this before but it happened again
>>and it was worse than previous occasions so I'm
>>posting about it again.
>>
>>From last weekend:
>>Sat: Solo 52k on new mtb singlespeed (32/15 gearing = hard)
>>Sun: Solo 100k on roadbike except fast Beach Rd. bit in
>>middle swapping turns with someone in Fitzroy Cycles kit into
>>strong headwind. Really pushed hard at the end too, to get
>>under 4hrs. (hard)
>>Mon: 26k each way commute on singlespeed (hard)
>>Tue: 26k x 2 commute on 'normal' mtb after nearly losing
>>manhood on toptube after throwing the chain on
>>singlespeed! (easy?)
>>Wed: 26k in-bound on normal mtb at easy pace, no problems...
>>
>>On the way home wed night though, about 15 minutes and 5k's
>>into the ride I was feeling totally light-headed and dizzy. My
>>body felt strange and "light" also. Not fatigued like "I've done
>>100k and now my legs feel like lead" fatigued, it was a strange
>>'lack of energy' all over body weakness. It felt like I was going
>>to fall asleep and I was in the granny ring doing, like 15kph or
>>something!
>>Now, if you know me, you'll know that I don't stop during
>>rides, basically ever. In three years commuting I would have
>>stopped a ride maybe 10 times due to punctures or meeting
>>somone I knew and chatting.
>>You'd also know that there is no way in hell I'd ever pay the
>>over inflated service station prices for anything...
>>Well, I was so weak, I had to sit down on the footpath for
>>10mins!
>>To get going again, I bought some chocolate from a servo..
>>now that's totally against normal behaviour for me, but like I
>>said, my body had this strange wash of numbness over it and
>>I just couldn't go on without doing something about it - like
>>resting and eating.
>>Now, you might be thinking "oh, well you bonked" and I
>>would think the same thing, but I've done a long ride with no
>>food before and know what that bonk was like for me - "I
>>don't want to continue, someone just come and drive me
>>home!" and then I eat and wait and i'm all good again. This
>>was different with the whole light-headedness and I still
>>wanted to ride, just couldn't.
>>Also, I'd eaten stacks that day! I was scoffing those new
>>Milo breakfast cereal flakes straight from the box all
>>afternoon! (I am a freak when it comes to food consumption
>>though.. no wonder I'm a fatty!).
>>Anyway after the rest and the snack I felt a bit better and
>>ended up riding home, in a reasonable time minus the stop.
>>
>>So, I know I've asked this before and I'll probably get similar
>>answers (lack of food, etc) but are there any other possibilities?
>>How much does lack of sleep effect your performance over
>>time?
>>How much sleep do most people get anyway? We are
>>supposed to get 8-10 hours a day but does anyone even get
>>near that?!
>>
>>Thanks for any suggestions!
>>hippy ( not the ganja smoking, acid munching variety either! ;-) )

[Pete.B]

(Top-posted to get attention)

Hippy

I'll second Mitch - visit the doctor ASAP,

I was a very keen Audax rider building up to attempt the Paris-Brest in 99.
In late 98 I completed a solo 400Km ride in 26 hours on $500 Giant hybrid
Early 99 I did the 200K Alpine classic, on an MTB.
I weighed 100kg, (182cm) the lightest I had been for 10 years. and was the
fittest I could ever rememember being.

By mid 99 though riding a better custom-fitted road bike, I started to find
myself dropping of the back of the peloton on a 300K Audax ride in the

Strathbogies. Not quite light headed but definately no energy despite eating
& drinking properly.
I never consulted my doctor about the lack of energy I just assumed
wasn't training properly because of winter and it would pick up in spring.

I started filing to complete more & more winter Audax rides.

By Cup Day 99 I was in hospital following a severe angina attack.

Before the year was out, I had an angiogram showing 3 blockages of 80% 60%
and 40% to arteries around my heart and was admitted for heart surgery.

This mightn't be you but PLEASE go to your health provider and explain all
your symptoms.

Best of health,
Pete


> When was the last time you checked your blood pressure at the doctors...
<snipped for Brevity>
> but dont rule these symptoms out. could be dangerous to your health long
> term, could be something major. or something not so major like the above
> mentioned. good luck
>
Mitch Pollard wrote:


>
> "hippy" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>(x-posted: aus.bicycle, rec.bicycles.misc)
>>
>>I've written about this before but it happened again
>>and it was worse than previous occasions so I'm
>>posting about it again.
>>
>>From last weekend:
>>Sat: Solo 52k on new mtb singlespeed (32/15 gearing = hard)
>>Sun: Solo 100k on roadbike except fast Beach Rd. bit in
>>middle swapping turns with someone in Fitzroy Cycles kit into
>>strong headwind. Really pushed hard at the end too, to get
>>under 4hrs. (hard)
>>Mon: 26k each way commute on singlespeed (hard)
>>Tue: 26k x 2 commute on 'normal' mtb after nearly losing
>>manhood on toptube after throwing the chain on
>>singlespeed! (easy?)
>>Wed: 26k in-bound on normal mtb at easy pace, no problems...
>>
>>On the way home wed night though, about 15 minutes and 5k's
>>into the ride I was feeling totally light-headed and dizzy. My
>>body felt strange and "light" also. Not fatigued like "I've done
>>100k and now my legs feel like lead" fatigued, it was a strange
>>'lack of energy' all over body weakness. It felt like I was going
>>to fall asleep and I was in the granny ring doing, like 15kph or
>>something!
>>Now, if you know me, you'll know that I don't stop during
>>rides, basically ever. In three years commuting I would have
>>stopped a ride maybe 10 times due to punctures or meeting
>>somone I knew and chatting.
>>You'd also know that there is no way in hell I'd ever pay the
>>over inflated service station prices for anything...
>>Well, I was so weak, I had to sit down on the footpath for
>>10mins!
>>To get going again, I bought some chocolate from a servo..
>>now that's totally against normal behaviour for me, but like I
>>said, my body had this strange wash of numbness over it and
>>I just couldn't go on without doing something about it - like
>>resting and eating.
>>Now, you might be thinking "oh, well you bonked" and I
>>would think the same thing, but I've done a long ride with no
>>food before and know what that bonk was like for me - "I
>>don't want to continue, someone just come and drive me
>>home!" and then I eat and wait and i'm all good again. This
>>was different with the whole light-headedness and I still
>>wanted to ride, just couldn't.
>>Also, I'd eaten stacks that day! I was scoffing those new
>>Milo breakfast cereal flakes straight from the box all
>>afternoon! (I am a freak when it comes to food consumption
>>though.. no wonder I'm a fatty!).
>>Anyway after the rest and the snack I felt a bit better and
>>ended up riding home, in a reasonable time minus the stop.
>>
>>So, I know I've asked this before and I'll probably get similar
>>answers (lack of food, etc) but are there any other possibilities?
>>How much does lack of sleep effect your performance over
>>time?
>>How much sleep do most people get anyway? We are
>>supposed to get 8-10 hours a day but does anyone even get
>>near that?!
>>
>>Thanks for any suggestions!
>>hippy ( not the ganja smoking, acid munching variety either! ;-) )

[David L. Johnson]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:42:23 +1000, hippy wrote:

> 95kg and 180cm, I think that's borderline obese using BMI?

Don't go by BMI. That is absurd, since the weight recommendations are
linear with respect to height.

> I possibly had more foods that were high in sugar that day.

Could be the problem

--

David L. Johnson

__o | You will say Christ saith this and the apostles say this; but
_`\(,_ | what canst thou say? -- George Fox.
(_)/ (_) |

[David L. Johnson]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:42:23 +1000, hippy wrote:

> 95kg and 180cm, I think that's borderline obese using BMI?

Don't go by BMI. That is absurd, since the weight recommendations are
linear with respect to height.

> I possibly had more foods that were high in sugar that day.

Could be the problem

--

David L. Johnson

__o | You will say Christ saith this and the apostles say this; but
_`\(,_ | what canst thou say? -- George Fox.
(_)/ (_) |

[Stomper]

"hippy" > wrote in message
...
> "Mitch Pollard" > wrote in message
> . au...
> > When was the last time you checked your blood pressure at the doctors...
>
> It was "normal" probably 12 months ago.
>
> > i dont know if you were being sarcastic when you called yourself a
fatty.
> > but how fat are you really. i assume not that fat because you are riding
> so
> > much.
>
> 95kg and 180cm, I think that's borderline obese using BMI?
>

NOT THE BMI nazis at work again!!!

110kgs and 190cm isn't obese and I challenge any man to say it is!!!!

Karl aka Stomper

[Stomper]

"hippy" > wrote in message
...
> "Mitch Pollard" > wrote in message
> . au...
> > When was the last time you checked your blood pressure at the doctors...
>
> It was "normal" probably 12 months ago.
>
> > i dont know if you were being sarcastic when you called yourself a
fatty.
> > but how fat are you really. i assume not that fat because you are riding
> so
> > much.
>
> 95kg and 180cm, I think that's borderline obese using BMI?
>

NOT THE BMI nazis at work again!!!

110kgs and 190cm isn't obese and I challenge any man to say it is!!!!

Karl aka Stomper

[Tim Jones]

"Stomper" > wrote in message
...
>
> "hippy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Mitch Pollard" > wrote in message
> > . au...
> > > When was the last time you checked your blood pressure at the
doctors...
> >
> > It was "normal" probably 12 months ago.
> >
> > > i dont know if you were being sarcastic when you called yourself a
> fatty.
> > > but how fat are you really. i assume not that fat because you are
riding
> > so
> > > much.
> >
> > 95kg and 180cm, I think that's borderline obese using BMI?
> >
>
> NOT THE BMI nazis at work again!!!
>
> 110kgs and 190cm isn't obese and I challenge any man to say it is!!!!
>

Fat arse!

Regards,

Tim (193cm, 108kg, >10% body fat, borderline overweight/obese)

From nih,gov:

BMI is a reliable indicator of total body fat, which is related to the risk
of disease and death. The score is valid for both men and women but it does
have some limits. The limits are:

a.. It may overestimate body fat in athletes and others who have a
muscular build.
b.. It may underestimate body fat in older persons and others who have
lost muscle mass.

[Tim Jones]

"Stomper" > wrote in message
...
>
> "hippy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Mitch Pollard" > wrote in message
> > . au...
> > > When was the last time you checked your blood pressure at the
doctors...
> >
> > It was "normal" probably 12 months ago.
> >
> > > i dont know if you were being sarcastic when you called yourself a
> fatty.
> > > but how fat are you really. i assume not that fat because you are
riding
> > so
> > > much.
> >
> > 95kg and 180cm, I think that's borderline obese using BMI?
> >
>
> NOT THE BMI nazis at work again!!!
>
> 110kgs and 190cm isn't obese and I challenge any man to say it is!!!!
>

Fat arse!

Regards,

Tim (193cm, 108kg, >10% body fat, borderline overweight/obese)

From nih,gov:

BMI is a reliable indicator of total body fat, which is related to the risk
of disease and death. The score is valid for both men and women but it does
have some limits. The limits are:

a.. It may overestimate body fat in athletes and others who have a
muscular build.
b.. It may underestimate body fat in older persons and others who have
lost muscle mass.

[hippy]

"Pete.B" > wrote in message
...
> I'll second Mitch - visit the doctor ASAP,

I visited the doc and he said it was probably hypoglyceamia (sp?)
due to eating too much high-sugar foods beforehand and then
suffering a sugar "crash".
I'm going to get some blood tests done anyway.

hippy

[hippy]

"Pete.B" > wrote in message
...
> I'll second Mitch - visit the doctor ASAP,

I visited the doc and he said it was probably hypoglyceamia (sp?)
due to eating too much high-sugar foods beforehand and then
suffering a sugar "crash".
I'm going to get some blood tests done anyway.

hippy

[David Kerber]

In article >,
says...
> "Denver C. Fox" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >I visited the doc and he said it was probably hypoglyceamia (sp?)
> > >due to eating too much high-sugar foods beforehand and then
> > >suffering a sugar "crash".
> > >I'm going to get some blood tests done anyway.
> >
> > Best to change your ways - you may be headed towards diabetes.
>
> I didn't think it you could get diabetes just from eating lots of sugar?
>
> > Anyway, please stop the sugars!! You will be pleased with the
> results.
>
> This is going to be difficult. I've been a sugar-fiend for a long time
> now. I tried eating wholegrains and vegetables and that only lasted
> a week before I was desperate for a sugar hit.

Don't go cold-turkey; just cut back or ration yourself a bit. It's
easier than you might think if you don't try to eliminate them entirely
all at once.

--
Dave Kerber
Fight spam: remove the ns_ from the return address before replying!

REAL programmers write self-modifying code.

[David Kerber]

In article >,
says...
> "Denver C. Fox" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >I visited the doc and he said it was probably hypoglyceamia (sp?)
> > >due to eating too much high-sugar foods beforehand and then
> > >suffering a sugar "crash".
> > >I'm going to get some blood tests done anyway.
> >
> > Best to change your ways - you may be headed towards diabetes.
>
> I didn't think it you could get diabetes just from eating lots of sugar?
>
> > Anyway, please stop the sugars!! You will be pleased with the
> results.
>
> This is going to be difficult. I've been a sugar-fiend for a long time
> now. I tried eating wholegrains and vegetables and that only lasted
> a week before I was desperate for a sugar hit.

Don't go cold-turkey; just cut back or ration yourself a bit. It's
easier than you might think if you don't try to eliminate them entirely
all at once.

--
Dave Kerber
Fight spam: remove the ns_ from the return address before replying!

REAL programmers write self-modifying code.

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article >,
"hippy" > wrote:

> "Tim Jones" > wrote in message
> . au...
> > It's been a long time since I was a sugar junkie (I used to buy a 375g
> block
> > of Cadbury Snack and a 500g bag of jelly beans and eat them after
> riding
> > home from Uni).
>
> Sounds familiar...
>
> > Bananas, oranges and mandarins were my favorites. Do you like fruit?
>
> Yep, but it's apples.. I LOVE apples. I like strawberries but they are
> too expensive and once you've had Japanese ones, aussie ones are
> crap :-)
> I like bananas too, but they have to be nice and ripe, a requirement
> that
> sees me chucking out a lot of over-ripe bananas that didn't rippen at
> the right time (silly, I know).

You're supposed to freeze 'em and make banana bread or muffins.
Over-ripe bananas work better in these recipes than merely ripe bananas.




--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article >,
"hippy" > wrote:

> "Tim Jones" > wrote in message
> . au...
> > It's been a long time since I was a sugar junkie (I used to buy a 375g
> block
> > of Cadbury Snack and a 500g bag of jelly beans and eat them after
> riding
> > home from Uni).
>
> Sounds familiar...
>
> > Bananas, oranges and mandarins were my favorites. Do you like fruit?
>
> Yep, but it's apples.. I LOVE apples. I like strawberries but they are
> too expensive and once you've had Japanese ones, aussie ones are
> crap :-)
> I like bananas too, but they have to be nice and ripe, a requirement
> that
> sees me chucking out a lot of over-ripe bananas that didn't rippen at
> the right time (silly, I know).

You're supposed to freeze 'em and make banana bread or muffins.
Over-ripe bananas work better in these recipes than merely ripe bananas.




--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club