Bike Cops

[Gags]

Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have
been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of
there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed a
traffic offence?

I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some
super-fit cyclist basically leading the boys in blue on a "training run" for
a while and then putting on a big burst of speed and "getting away" scott
free (no number plates of course).

Also wondered if it would be like a car chase in that if you start riding up
the wrong side of the road and running red lights, the fuzz abandons the
chase due to it being to dangerous (or maybe they only do that when it is a
danger to the public, not to yourself???)

I would be interested to see if this has ever occurred???

Gags

[Ray]

In article >,
says...
> I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some
> super-fit cyclist basically leading the boys in blue on a "training run" for
> a while and then putting on a big burst of speed and "getting away" scott
> free (no number plates of course).
>

Nah, in Vicroria it'd go "STOP BANG I'll shoot" :p

Cheers Ray

[Ray]

In article >,
says...
> I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some
> super-fit cyclist basically leading the boys in blue on a "training run" for
> a while and then putting on a big burst of speed and "getting away" scott
> free (no number plates of course).
>

Nah, in Vicroria it'd go "STOP BANG I'll shoot" :p

Cheers Ray

[Cody]

"Gags" > wrote in message
...
>
> I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some
> super-fit cyclist basically leading the boys in blue on a "training run"
for
> a while and then putting on a big burst of speed and "getting away" scott
> free (no number plates of course).

The Bike Cops that I have seen look young and fit to me.

[Cody]

"Gags" > wrote in message
...
>
> I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some
> super-fit cyclist basically leading the boys in blue on a "training run"
for
> a while and then putting on a big burst of speed and "getting away" scott
> free (no number plates of course).

The Bike Cops that I have seen look young and fit to me.

[Steve Hubbard]

When the bikes stop, the cars begin.

Saw a cyclist smash the side mirror off a Holden Statesman as he rounded the
corner of Collins Street and Swanston Walk in Melbourne. The bike police
followed as best they could but the cyclist (on an old road bike) left them
for dead after going through a couple of red lights. When I got up near the
Shrine, though, the cyclist was spread eagled across the bonnet of a
divisional van and being given a good seeing too.

Steve.



> Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have
> been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of
> there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed a
> traffic offence?
>
> I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some
> super-fit cyclist basically leading the boys in blue on a "training run" for
> a while and then putting on a big burst of speed and "getting away" scott
> free (no number plates of course).
>
> Also wondered if it would be like a car chase in that if you start riding up
> the wrong side of the road and running red lights, the fuzz abandons the
> chase due to it being to dangerous (or maybe they only do that when it is a
> danger to the public, not to yourself???)
>
> I would be interested to see if this has ever occurred???
>
> Gags
>
>

[Steve Hubbard]

When the bikes stop, the cars begin.

Saw a cyclist smash the side mirror off a Holden Statesman as he rounded the
corner of Collins Street and Swanston Walk in Melbourne. The bike police
followed as best they could but the cyclist (on an old road bike) left them
for dead after going through a couple of red lights. When I got up near the
Shrine, though, the cyclist was spread eagled across the bonnet of a
divisional van and being given a good seeing too.

Steve.



> Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have
> been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of
> there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed a
> traffic offence?
>
> I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some
> super-fit cyclist basically leading the boys in blue on a "training run" for
> a while and then putting on a big burst of speed and "getting away" scott
> free (no number plates of course).
>
> Also wondered if it would be like a car chase in that if you start riding up
> the wrong side of the road and running red lights, the fuzz abandons the
> chase due to it being to dangerous (or maybe they only do that when it is a
> danger to the public, not to yourself???)
>
> I would be interested to see if this has ever occurred???
>
> Gags
>
>

[Andrew Swan]

Gags wrote:
<snip>
>
> Also wondered if it would be like a car chase in that if you start riding up
> the wrong side of the road and running red lights, the fuzz abandons the
> chase due to it being to dangerous (or maybe they only do that when it is a
> danger to the public, not to yourself???)
>
> I would be interested to see if this has ever occurred???
>
> Gags

Or even better, the Blues Brothers on an old black tandem being chased
by 150 cops on new MTBs, crashing all over the place...

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

Gags wrote:
<snip>
>
> Also wondered if it would be like a car chase in that if you start riding up
> the wrong side of the road and running red lights, the fuzz abandons the
> chase due to it being to dangerous (or maybe they only do that when it is a
> danger to the public, not to yourself???)
>
> I would be interested to see if this has ever occurred???
>
> Gags

Or even better, the Blues Brothers on an old black tandem being chased
by 150 cops on new MTBs, crashing all over the place...

&roo

[Luther Blissett]

Gags wrote:
> Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have
> been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of
> there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed a
> traffic offence?
*snip*

I won't name names, but a few years ago when cycle cops first started in
Sydney they tried to have a crackdown on pushbike couriers. Quite often
the couriers would just do the bolt. I know of at least one chase down
Market St that ended with the courier shooting across George St through
the traffic with his rear wheel getting clipped by a bus just as he made
it across. I also know of an incident where a courier was being chased
by police and a pedestrian stepped out into the road and tried to drag
him off the bike.
In North Sydney for about two weeks in 96(?) they had two police on
motorcross bikes chasing couriers.

These days the cops seem more physically suited to the job, and their
equipment appears to have improved as well. I think they are a great
idea, particularly in inner city suburbs like Newtown that are
permanently clogged with traffic.

- LB

[Luther Blissett]

Gags wrote:
> Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have
> been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of
> there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed a
> traffic offence?
*snip*

I won't name names, but a few years ago when cycle cops first started in
Sydney they tried to have a crackdown on pushbike couriers. Quite often
the couriers would just do the bolt. I know of at least one chase down
Market St that ended with the courier shooting across George St through
the traffic with his rear wheel getting clipped by a bus just as he made
it across. I also know of an incident where a courier was being chased
by police and a pedestrian stepped out into the road and tried to drag
him off the bike.
In North Sydney for about two weeks in 96(?) they had two police on
motorcross bikes chasing couriers.

These days the cops seem more physically suited to the job, and their
equipment appears to have improved as well. I think they are a great
idea, particularly in inner city suburbs like Newtown that are
permanently clogged with traffic.

- LB

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Gags > wrote in message
...
> Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have
> been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of
> there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed a
> traffic offence?

I have thought about that a bit. I know 3 of the bike cops in Melbourne, and
they are all very fit. Whether or not I could beat them in a mad sprint
through the city is something I'd love to try out without fear of being
thrown into a cell afterwards!
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Gags > wrote in message
...
> Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have
> been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of
> there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed a
> traffic offence?

I have thought about that a bit. I know 3 of the bike cops in Melbourne, and
they are all very fit. Whether or not I could beat them in a mad sprint
through the city is something I'd love to try out without fear of being
thrown into a cell afterwards!
---
DFM

[roofi]

Ask your bike cop mates if they ever run reds.....

I saw a pair of them run the lights at the back of the casino one arvo.

Makes a mockery of their policing on Beach Rd. (even though I agree with it)



"Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
message ...
Gags > wrote in message
...
> Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have
> been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of
> there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed a
> traffic offence?

I have thought about that a bit. I know 3 of the bike cops in Melbourne, and
they are all very fit. Whether or not I could beat them in a mad sprint
through the city is something I'd love to try out without fear of being
thrown into a cell afterwards!
---
DFM

[roofi]

Ask your bike cop mates if they ever run reds.....

I saw a pair of them run the lights at the back of the casino one arvo.

Makes a mockery of their policing on Beach Rd. (even though I agree with it)



"Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
message ...
Gags > wrote in message
...
> Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have
> been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of
> there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed a
> traffic offence?

I have thought about that a bit. I know 3 of the bike cops in Melbourne, and
they are all very fit. Whether or not I could beat them in a mad sprint
through the city is something I'd love to try out without fear of being
thrown into a cell afterwards!
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders choice.
Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
---
DFM

roofi > wrote in message
...
> Ask your bike cop mates if they ever run reds.....
>
> I saw a pair of them run the lights at the back of the casino one arvo.
>
> Makes a mockery of their policing on Beach Rd. (even though I agree with
it)
>
>
>
> "Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
> message ...
> Gags > wrote in message
> ...
> > Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I
have
> > been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard
of
> > there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed
a
> > traffic offence?
>
> I have thought about that a bit. I know 3 of the bike cops in Melbourne,
and
> they are all very fit. Whether or not I could beat them in a mad sprint
> through the city is something I'd love to try out without fear of being
> thrown into a cell afterwards!
> ---
> DFM
>
>
>

[Deep Flayed Mares]

They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders choice.
Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
---
DFM

roofi > wrote in message
...
> Ask your bike cop mates if they ever run reds.....
>
> I saw a pair of them run the lights at the back of the casino one arvo.
>
> Makes a mockery of their policing on Beach Rd. (even though I agree with
it)
>
>
>
> "Deep Flayed Mares" > wrote in
> message ...
> Gags > wrote in message
> ...
> > Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I
have
> > been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard
of
> > there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed
a
> > traffic offence?
>
> I have thought about that a bit. I know 3 of the bike cops in Melbourne,
and
> they are all very fit. Whether or not I could beat them in a mad sprint
> through the city is something I'd love to try out without fear of being
> thrown into a cell afterwards!
> ---
> DFM
>
>
>

[Luther Blissett]

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
> sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders choice.
> Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
> ---
> DFM
In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the
wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
love those crackdowns!

- LB

[Luther Blissett]

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
> sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders choice.
> Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
> ---
> DFM
In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the
wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
love those crackdowns!

- LB

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Luther Blissett > wrote in message
...
> Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> > They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
> > sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders choice.
> > Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
> > ---
> > DFM
> In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the
> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
> love those crackdowns!

*whoosh*

That's the sound of 'em throwing the book at ya!

What sort of fine/community service did you get?
---
DFM

[Deep Flayed Mares]

Luther Blissett > wrote in message
...
> Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> > They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
> > sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders choice.
> > Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
> > ---
> > DFM
> In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the
> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
> love those crackdowns!

*whoosh*

That's the sound of 'em throwing the book at ya!

What sort of fine/community service did you get?
---
DFM

[robroy]

Luther Blissett wrote:
> Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> > They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
> > sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders
> > choice. Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
> > ---
> > DFM
> In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the
> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
> love those crackdowns!
> - LB



It would be interesting to see if they really took up pursuit. Im kinda
guessing that the boyz in blue would call it quits after a few blocks if
there was no chance of catching the cycling fugitive.:D

By law the running of red lights can only be done by emergency vehicles
when using their siren, bell or horn......dont know if that would
include officers on their bikes but I cant see why not.

I see you were going to get with a hamburger with the lot DFM good job
he left out the pickles



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[robroy]

Luther Blissett wrote:
> Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> > They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
> > sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders
> > choice. Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
> > ---
> > DFM
> In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the
> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
> love those crackdowns!
> - LB



It would be interesting to see if they really took up pursuit. Im kinda
guessing that the boyz in blue would call it quits after a few blocks if
there was no chance of catching the cycling fugitive.:D

By law the running of red lights can only be done by emergency vehicles
when using their siren, bell or horn......dont know if that would
include officers on their bikes but I cant see why not.

I see you were going to get with a hamburger with the lot DFM good job
he left out the pickles



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[David Bailey]

riding the
> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
> love those crackdowns!
>
> - LB
A cyclist is allowed to travel the wrong way up a one way street provided it
is done with care, don't be threated by breaking the laws of cars not bikes.
Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.

[David Bailey]

riding the
> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
> love those crackdowns!
>
> - LB
A cyclist is allowed to travel the wrong way up a one way street provided it
is done with care, don't be threated by breaking the laws of cars not bikes.
Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.

[Luther Blissett]

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
*snip*

> What sort of fine/community service did you get?
> ---
> DFM

I just put it on the tab until I had around $1500 worth of fines, then I
worked it off doing community service at Reverse Garbage amongst other
places. It was about 97/98, I think the rate was about $12/hr payback,
but my memory is very unreliable.

I thought it was kind of funny that I couldn't renew my car rego (thus
forced to ride bike more often) because of fines I acrued as a bike courier!

- LB

[Luther Blissett]

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
*snip*

> What sort of fine/community service did you get?
> ---
> DFM

I just put it on the tab until I had around $1500 worth of fines, then I
worked it off doing community service at Reverse Garbage amongst other
places. It was about 97/98, I think the rate was about $12/hr payback,
but my memory is very unreliable.

I thought it was kind of funny that I couldn't renew my car rego (thus
forced to ride bike more often) because of fines I acrued as a bike courier!

- LB

[Luther Blissett]

David Bailey wrote:
*snip*

> Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
> standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.

My bike (Cannondale MTB) was imported on order from US and for some
reason never came with a bell or reflectors. Seven years later I still
haven't got around to fitting any! :(

[Luther Blissett]

David Bailey wrote:
*snip*

> Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
> standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.

My bike (Cannondale MTB) was imported on order from US and for some
reason never came with a bell or reflectors. Seven years later I still
haven't got around to fitting any! :(

[Arpit]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:24:19 GMT, "David Bailey"
> wrote:

>
>riding the
>> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
>> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
>> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
>> love those crackdowns!
>>
>> - LB
>A cyclist is allowed to travel the wrong way up a one way street provided it
>is done with care, don't be threated by breaking the laws of cars not bikes.
>Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
>standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.
>
Its up to you to make sure they stay on though.

[Arpit]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:24:19 GMT, "David Bailey"
> wrote:

>
>riding the
>> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
>> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
>> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
>> love those crackdowns!
>>
>> - LB
>A cyclist is allowed to travel the wrong way up a one way street provided it
>is done with care, don't be threated by breaking the laws of cars not bikes.
>Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
>standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.
>
Its up to you to make sure they stay on though.

[Andrew Swan]

David Bailey wrote:
> Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
> standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.
>
You're required to have them on your bike - who might have fitted or
removed them is irrelevant.

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

David Bailey wrote:
> Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
> standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.
>
You're required to have them on your bike - who might have fitted or
removed them is irrelevant.

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

Luther Blissett wrote:
> In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the
> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
> love those crackdowns!
>
> - LB

How could he book you for riding the wrong way on a one-way street AND
riding on the footpath? Surely it *doesn't matter* which way you're
going if you're on the footpath? Unless the footpath was one-way as well?

Anyway, did the fine change your behaviour (just interested)?

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

Luther Blissett wrote:
> In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the
> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a
> helmet. He was also going to book me for not having reflectors or a
> bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta
> love those crackdowns!
>
> - LB

How could he book you for riding the wrong way on a one-way street AND
riding on the footpath? Surely it *doesn't matter* which way you're
going if you're on the footpath? Unless the footpath was one-way as well?

Anyway, did the fine change your behaviour (just interested)?

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
> sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders choice.

It's the rider's choice whether to run them or not, but they need to
realise that the impact affects ALL cyclists (see thread about red lights).

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
> They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too
> sometimes, so I wont say anything bad about it. It's the riders choice.

It's the rider's choice whether to run them or not, but they need to
realise that the impact affects ALL cyclists (see thread about red lights).

&roo

[Terry Collins]

Andrew Swan wrote:
>
> David Bailey wrote:
> > Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
> > standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.
> >
> You're required to have them on your bike - who might have fitted or
> removed them is irrelevant.

Since when? (serious, not sarcastic)
I thought that only applied if you were riding of a night time?

--
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Publishing>

"People without trees are like fish without clean water"

[Terry Collins]

Andrew Swan wrote:
>
> David Bailey wrote:
> > Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
> > standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.
> >
> You're required to have them on your bike - who might have fitted or
> removed them is irrelevant.

Since when? (serious, not sarcastic)
I thought that only applied if you were riding of a night time?

--
Terry Collins {:-)}}} email: terryc at woa.com.au www:
http://www.woa.com.au
Wombat Outdoor Adventures <Bicycles, Computers, GIS, Printing,
Publishing>

"People without trees are like fish without clean water"

[Andrew Swan]

Terry Collins wrote:
> Andrew Swan wrote:
>
>>David Bailey wrote:
>>
>>>Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
>>>standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.
>>>
>>
>>You're required to have them on your bike - who might have fitted or
>>removed them is irrelevant.
>
>
> Since when? (serious, not sarcastic)
> I thought that only applied if you were riding of a night time?
>

You're right about the reflector, but the bell is for daytime as well. See:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/trafficinformation/bicycles/makingitsafertocycle/bicyclesafety/cyclingrules.html

Relevant extract below:

--------------------------------------------------------
To be a legal road vehicle during the day, a bicycle must have:

* At least one working brake (by AS: hippy, take note re track bike!)
* Either a bell or horn fitted to the bike, within easy reach and
in working order

To be a legal road vehicle at night, a bicycle must also have :

* Lights fitted and in use when riding at night - a steady or
flashing white light that is clearly visible for at least 200 metres and
a flashing or steady red light that is clearly visible for at least 200
metres from the rear of the bike
* red rear reflector that is clearly visible for 50 metres when
light is projected onto it by a vehicle's headlight on low beam
---------------------------------------------------------------

I don't see why the 50m reflector is required if there's a 200m light.
Nobody's going to see my rear reflector before my rear light (the
mega-bright Cateye type, which should come with an OH&S warning)

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

Terry Collins wrote:
> Andrew Swan wrote:
>
>>David Bailey wrote:
>>
>>>Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
>>>standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.
>>>
>>
>>You're required to have them on your bike - who might have fitted or
>>removed them is irrelevant.
>
>
> Since when? (serious, not sarcastic)
> I thought that only applied if you were riding of a night time?
>

You're right about the reflector, but the bell is for daytime as well. See:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/trafficinformation/bicycles/makingitsafertocycle/bicyclesafety/cyclingrules.html

Relevant extract below:

--------------------------------------------------------
To be a legal road vehicle during the day, a bicycle must have:

* At least one working brake (by AS: hippy, take note re track bike!)
* Either a bell or horn fitted to the bike, within easy reach and
in working order

To be a legal road vehicle at night, a bicycle must also have :

* Lights fitted and in use when riding at night - a steady or
flashing white light that is clearly visible for at least 200 metres and
a flashing or steady red light that is clearly visible for at least 200
metres from the rear of the bike
* red rear reflector that is clearly visible for 50 metres when
light is projected onto it by a vehicle's headlight on low beam
---------------------------------------------------------------

I don't see why the 50m reflector is required if there's a 200m light.
Nobody's going to see my rear reflector before my rear light (the
mega-bright Cateye type, which should come with an OH&S warning)

&roo

[Al User]

David Bailey wrote:
>
> A cyclist is allowed to travel the wrong way up a one way street provided it
> is done with care, don't be threated by breaking the laws of cars not bikes.
> Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
> standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.

Not sure which state you're from, but that is not so according to Vic law

Victoria Government Gazette P 2 28 October 1999 191
Rule 19. *References to driver includes rider etc.*
Unless otherwise expressly stated in the Road Rules, each reference in the
Road Rules (except in this Division) to a driver includes a reference to a rider,
and each reference in the Road Rules (except in this Division) to driving
includes a reference to riding.

Rule 98. One-way signs
(1) A *driver* must not drive on a length of road to which a one-way sign applies
except in the direction indicated by the arrow on the sign.


Also, here in Vic. the bell or similar is required.

PART 15—ADDITIONAL RULES FOR BICYCLE RIDERS
Rule 258. Equipment on a bicycle
A person must not ride a bicycle that does not have—
(a) at least 1 effective brake; and
(b) *a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.*

Rgds
Al

[Al User]

David Bailey wrote:
>
> A cyclist is allowed to travel the wrong way up a one way street provided it
> is done with care, don't be threated by breaking the laws of cars not bikes.
> Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the
> standards board it is not required for you to fit these items.

Not sure which state you're from, but that is not so according to Vic law

Victoria Government Gazette P 2 28 October 1999 191
Rule 19. *References to driver includes rider etc.*
Unless otherwise expressly stated in the Road Rules, each reference in the
Road Rules (except in this Division) to a driver includes a reference to a rider,
and each reference in the Road Rules (except in this Division) to driving
includes a reference to riding.

Rule 98. One-way signs
(1) A *driver* must not drive on a length of road to which a one-way sign applies
except in the direction indicated by the arrow on the sign.


Also, here in Vic. the bell or similar is required.

PART 15—ADDITIONAL RULES FOR BICYCLE RIDERS
Rule 258. Equipment on a bicycle
A person must not ride a bicycle that does not have—
(a) at least 1 effective brake; and
(b) *a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.*

Rgds
Al

[hippy]

"Andrew Swan" > wrote in message
news:o1_7b.1946
> * At least one working brake (by AS: hippy, take note re track
bike!)

hehe doh! :-)
I'll stick to the track for now I think.

> I don't see why the 50m reflector is required if there's a 200m light.
> Nobody's going to see my rear reflector before my rear light (the
> mega-bright Cateye type, which should come with an OH&S warning)

Yeah, that sounds a bit strange. Do reflectors have some special
property that I don't know about?

Which Cateye are you referring to?
I've got a nice little collection of lights at home but I want to swap
the X-Light(?) (single, white, flashing LED, keychain thang - also red)
with something a bit bigger - without going to home-made SLA.

Any recommended LED-based lights? Just for driver visibility.. I
don't need to see where I'm going :-)

hippy
- topic hijacker extraordinaire

[hippy]

"Andrew Swan" > wrote in message
news:o1_7b.1946
> * At least one working brake (by AS: hippy, take note re track
bike!)

hehe doh! :-)
I'll stick to the track for now I think.

> I don't see why the 50m reflector is required if there's a 200m light.
> Nobody's going to see my rear reflector before my rear light (the
> mega-bright Cateye type, which should come with an OH&S warning)

Yeah, that sounds a bit strange. Do reflectors have some special
property that I don't know about?

Which Cateye are you referring to?
I've got a nice little collection of lights at home but I want to swap
the X-Light(?) (single, white, flashing LED, keychain thang - also red)
with something a bit bigger - without going to home-made SLA.

Any recommended LED-based lights? Just for driver visibility.. I
don't need to see where I'm going :-)

hippy
- topic hijacker extraordinaire

[hippy]

"Al User" > wrote in message
...
> PART 15—ADDITIONAL RULES FOR BICYCLE RIDERS
> Rule 258. Equipment on a bicycle
> A person must not ride a bicycle that does not have—
> (a) at least 1 effective brake; and
> (b) *a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.*

"Similar". Is that similar in design or similar in function?
Because I can make a pretty big racket with some things
called "vocal chords". Guess they are not fitted to the
bike though :-(

hippy
- you'll not see me with a bell or a horn on my bike!

[hippy]

"Al User" > wrote in message
...
> PART 15—ADDITIONAL RULES FOR BICYCLE RIDERS
> Rule 258. Equipment on a bicycle
> A person must not ride a bicycle that does not have—
> (a) at least 1 effective brake; and
> (b) *a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.*

"Similar". Is that similar in design or similar in function?
Because I can make a pretty big racket with some things
called "vocal chords". Guess they are not fitted to the
bike though :-(

hippy
- you'll not see me with a bell or a horn on my bike!

[Tim Jones]

"hippy" > wrote in message
...
> "Al User" > wrote in message
> ...
> > PART 15-ADDITIONAL RULES FOR BICYCLE RIDERS
> > Rule 258. Equipment on a bicycle
> > A person must not ride a bicycle that does not have-
> > (a) at least 1 effective brake; and
> > (b) *a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.*
>
> "Similar". Is that similar in design or similar in function?
> Because I can make a pretty big racket with some things
> called "vocal chords". Guess they are not fitted to the
> bike though :-(
>

Well, my arse is pretty much fitted to the bike and I can......

Uh, no, I won't continue!

> hippy
> - you'll not see me with a bell or a horn on my bike!
>

Cheers,

Tim

[Tim Jones]

"hippy" > wrote in message
...
> "Al User" > wrote in message
> ...
> > PART 15-ADDITIONAL RULES FOR BICYCLE RIDERS
> > Rule 258. Equipment on a bicycle
> > A person must not ride a bicycle that does not have-
> > (a) at least 1 effective brake; and
> > (b) *a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.*
>
> "Similar". Is that similar in design or similar in function?
> Because I can make a pretty big racket with some things
> called "vocal chords". Guess they are not fitted to the
> bike though :-(
>

Well, my arse is pretty much fitted to the bike and I can......

Uh, no, I won't continue!

> hippy
> - you'll not see me with a bell or a horn on my bike!
>

Cheers,

Tim

[Al User]

hippy wrote:
> "Al User" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>PART 15—ADDITIONAL RULES FOR BICYCLE RIDERS
>>Rule 258. Equipment on a bicycle
>>A person must not ride a bicycle that does not have—
>>(a) at least 1 effective brake; and
>>(b) *a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.*
>
>
> "Similar". Is that similar in design or similar in function?
> Because I can make a pretty big racket with some things
> called "vocal chords". Guess they are not fitted to the
> bike though :-(
>
> hippy
> - you'll not see me with a bell or a horn on my bike!
>

I think the "similar" (as a lot of things) will depend on the mood of
the copper doing the booking or the beak if you defend it ;-)

I've never actually bought a bike with a bell as the LBS always "forgets".
So I used to rely on "clattering" my brake levers (I don't ride at speed
on bike paths) then I got the Air Zound :-D

Al.

[Al User]

hippy wrote:
> "Al User" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>PART 15—ADDITIONAL RULES FOR BICYCLE RIDERS
>>Rule 258. Equipment on a bicycle
>>A person must not ride a bicycle that does not have—
>>(a) at least 1 effective brake; and
>>(b) *a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.*
>
>
> "Similar". Is that similar in design or similar in function?
> Because I can make a pretty big racket with some things
> called "vocal chords". Guess they are not fitted to the
> bike though :-(
>
> hippy
> - you'll not see me with a bell or a horn on my bike!
>

I think the "similar" (as a lot of things) will depend on the mood of
the copper doing the booking or the beak if you defend it ;-)

I've never actually bought a bike with a bell as the LBS always "forgets".
So I used to rely on "clattering" my brake levers (I don't ride at speed
on bike paths) then I got the Air Zound :-D

Al.

[carma1]

Its funny how we bag the Bike Cops, but I wouldn't mind getting paid
$50K a year to ride my bike lol :D :D :D :D



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[carma1]

Its funny how we bag the Bike Cops, but I wouldn't mind getting paid
$50K a year to ride my bike lol :D :D :D :D



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[Luther Blissett]

Andrew Swan wrote:

>
> How could he book you for riding the wrong way on a one-way street AND
> riding on the footpath? Surely it *doesn't matter* which way you're
> going if you're on the footpath? Unless the footpath was one-way as well?
>
> Anyway, did the fine change your behaviour (just interested)?
>

I rode about 10m the wrong way up O'Connell St (in Sydney CBD), the
another 10m up the footpath (road was blocked with a truck/oncoming
cars) before I stopped.

Did the fine change my behaviour? Yes - I started to keep a better eye
out for cops + plus I had to ride harder to make more money to cover the
fines!

- LB

[Luther Blissett]

Andrew Swan wrote:

>
> How could he book you for riding the wrong way on a one-way street AND
> riding on the footpath? Surely it *doesn't matter* which way you're
> going if you're on the footpath? Unless the footpath was one-way as well?
>
> Anyway, did the fine change your behaviour (just interested)?
>

I rode about 10m the wrong way up O'Connell St (in Sydney CBD), the
another 10m up the footpath (road was blocked with a truck/oncoming
cars) before I stopped.

Did the fine change my behaviour? Yes - I started to keep a better eye
out for cops + plus I had to ride harder to make more money to cover the
fines!

- LB

[Luther Blissett]

carma1 wrote:

> Its funny how we bag the Bike Cops, but I wouldn't mind getting paid
> $50K a year to ride my bike lol :D :D :D :D
>

It may just be my interpretation of posts in this newsgroup, but it
seems to me the baggers are a very small minority!

- LB

[Luther Blissett]

carma1 wrote:

> Its funny how we bag the Bike Cops, but I wouldn't mind getting paid
> $50K a year to ride my bike lol :D :D :D :D
>

It may just be my interpretation of posts in this newsgroup, but it
seems to me the baggers are a very small minority!

- LB

[Terry Collins]

"Andre S." wrote:

....snip....

> and nothing to what the motorbike cops get for their mandated inapproprate clothing.
> Why are the police exempt from basic OH&S?

You might like to confirm this with someone in the field, but the
"story" was the latest OH&S Inspectors/officer mag had a story about a
OH&S inspector getting a speeding ticket from a motorcycle cop and in
return recieving a ticket for not wearing his safety vest.

--
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http://www.woa.com.au
Wombat Outdoor Adventures <Bicycles, Computers, GIS, Printing,
Publishing>

"People without trees are like fish without clean water"

[Terry Collins]

"Andre S." wrote:

....snip....

> and nothing to what the motorbike cops get for their mandated inapproprate clothing.
> Why are the police exempt from basic OH&S?

You might like to confirm this with someone in the field, but the
"story" was the latest OH&S Inspectors/officer mag had a story about a
OH&S inspector getting a speeding ticket from a motorcycle cop and in
return recieving a ticket for not wearing his safety vest.

--
Terry Collins {:-)}}} email: terryc at woa.com.au www:
http://www.woa.com.au
Wombat Outdoor Adventures <Bicycles, Computers, GIS, Printing,
Publishing>

"People without trees are like fish without clean water"

[Andrew Swan]

hippy wrote:
> Which Cateye are you referring to?
> I've got a nice little collection of lights at home but I want to swap
> the X-Light(?) (single, white, flashing LED, keychain thang - also red)
> with something a bit bigger - without going to home-made SLA.
>
> Any recommended LED-based lights? Just for driver visibility.. I
> don't need to see where I'm going :-)
>
> hippy
> - topic hijacker extraordinaire
>

The Cateye TL-LD600 taillight, it has 5 LEDs, cost $50, can't remember
how many mCd. Can be mounted vertically (i.e. in line with seat post,
same width) or horizontally. Spare bracket was $12. Ah, finally found it
here (Cateye's "Taillights" link doesn't work):

http://www.cateye.com/detail.php?products_id=73

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

hippy wrote:
> Which Cateye are you referring to?
> I've got a nice little collection of lights at home but I want to swap
> the X-Light(?) (single, white, flashing LED, keychain thang - also red)
> with something a bit bigger - without going to home-made SLA.
>
> Any recommended LED-based lights? Just for driver visibility.. I
> don't need to see where I'm going :-)
>
> hippy
> - topic hijacker extraordinaire
>

The Cateye TL-LD600 taillight, it has 5 LEDs, cost $50, can't remember
how many mCd. Can be mounted vertically (i.e. in line with seat post,
same width) or horizontally. Spare bracket was $12. Ah, finally found it
here (Cateye's "Taillights" link doesn't work):

http://www.cateye.com/detail.php?products_id=73

&roo