vitamin supplements

[gravelmuncher]

Been wondering if supplements of vitamins C and E have helpful effects
on the body during a season. Are there other's which deserve
consideration?



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[hippy]

"gravelmuncher" > wrote in message
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> Been wondering if supplements of vitamins C and E have helpful effects
> on the body during a season. Are there other's which deserve
> consideration?

I can dig out "Serious Cycling" and see what Mr. Burke
says...

"US RDA for VitC is 60mg per day, many researchers
recommend 250-1000mg per day to prevent cell damage,
serve as an antioxidant, prevent heart disease and help
prevent cancer."

"US RDA for VitA is 5000IU per day. Many people
believe you need 10,000 - 20,000 IU of VitA to fight
infections and battle free radicals"

"There is no RDA for Beta Carotene, but most scientists
recommend a minimum intake of 5-10mg daily"

"US RDA for VitE is 30 IU, but studies have used much
higher levels, up to 800IU, for three years without finding
toxic effects. Minimum of 200-800IU is recommended
for people who exrcise intensely or routinely experience
air pollution during exercise."

He also mentions: Glutathione, N-Acetyl Cysteine,
Selenium, Zinc, Bioflavinoids.

"Eat lots of fresh fruits and vegetables and whole
grains"

"Many experts now recommend enhancing antioxidant
intake with vitamin, mineral and herb supplements"

Iron also gets quite a mention as being important.
RDA if menstruating is 18mg, if not 10mg. Lean
meat 3 times a week, plenty of VitC to help absorb
the iron. Also beans, spinach, broccoli, prunes.

This is only one source of information though and
it has been paraphrased by yours truly, so read
at your own leisure.. err i mean risk.

(the low-iron) hippy
P.S. I have more of these luverly numbers and
stats to spill forth if you want to hear them ;-)

[hippy]

"gravelmuncher" > wrote in message
...
> Been wondering if supplements of vitamins C and E have helpful effects
> on the body during a season. Are there other's which deserve
> consideration?

I can dig out "Serious Cycling" and see what Mr. Burke
says...

"US RDA for VitC is 60mg per day, many researchers
recommend 250-1000mg per day to prevent cell damage,
serve as an antioxidant, prevent heart disease and help
prevent cancer."

"US RDA for VitA is 5000IU per day. Many people
believe you need 10,000 - 20,000 IU of VitA to fight
infections and battle free radicals"

"There is no RDA for Beta Carotene, but most scientists
recommend a minimum intake of 5-10mg daily"

"US RDA for VitE is 30 IU, but studies have used much
higher levels, up to 800IU, for three years without finding
toxic effects. Minimum of 200-800IU is recommended
for people who exrcise intensely or routinely experience
air pollution during exercise."

He also mentions: Glutathione, N-Acetyl Cysteine,
Selenium, Zinc, Bioflavinoids.

"Eat lots of fresh fruits and vegetables and whole
grains"

"Many experts now recommend enhancing antioxidant
intake with vitamin, mineral and herb supplements"

Iron also gets quite a mention as being important.
RDA if menstruating is 18mg, if not 10mg. Lean
meat 3 times a week, plenty of VitC to help absorb
the iron. Also beans, spinach, broccoli, prunes.

This is only one source of information though and
it has been paraphrased by yours truly, so read
at your own leisure.. err i mean risk.

(the low-iron) hippy
P.S. I have more of these luverly numbers and
stats to spill forth if you want to hear them ;-)

[John Henderson]

"hippy" wrote:

> "US RDA for VitA is 5000IU per day. Many people
> believe you need 10,000 - 20,000 IU of VitA to fight
> infections and battle free radicals"

Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred
(albeit explorers eating polar bear liver).

I've recently read that pregnant women are now thought to put the
baby's health at risk with this sort of dose.

And long-term use at 10,000 IU per day can accumulate to a
clinical overdose. I once thought I had a brain tumour because
of very, very severe sharp stabbing headaches, that occurred
several times a day for over a year. Within 2 days of stopping
vitamin A, they disappeared completely, and have not come back
(15 years ago now). So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but
in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals in cold
climates have very high concentrations in the liver).

John

[John Henderson]

"hippy" wrote:

> "US RDA for VitA is 5000IU per day. Many people
> believe you need 10,000 - 20,000 IU of VitA to fight
> infections and battle free radicals"

Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred
(albeit explorers eating polar bear liver).

I've recently read that pregnant women are now thought to put the
baby's health at risk with this sort of dose.

And long-term use at 10,000 IU per day can accumulate to a
clinical overdose. I once thought I had a brain tumour because
of very, very severe sharp stabbing headaches, that occurred
several times a day for over a year. Within 2 days of stopping
vitamin A, they disappeared completely, and have not come back
(15 years ago now). So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but
in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals in cold
climates have very high concentrations in the liver).

John

[hippy]

"John Henderson" > wrote in message
...
> Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred
> (albeit explorers eating polar bear liver).

Polar bear liver!? What the?!
Why not their juicy brains? ;-)

> So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but
> in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals in cold
> climates have very high concentrations in the liver).

But they would be getting it all naturally - when was
the last time Sir David Attinburough(sp?) explained
that the polar bear was struggling with the lid of its
pill bottle because it was one of the new child proof
ones?

Snakes, spiders, etc contain venom - should we?

I don't think finding high concentrations of a substance
in animals is sufficient reason for dosing up on it.
I would be looking into its effects on humans.

hippy
popped VitC this morning to appease the supplement gods

[hippy]

"John Henderson" > wrote in message
...
> Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred
> (albeit explorers eating polar bear liver).

Polar bear liver!? What the?!
Why not their juicy brains? ;-)

> So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but
> in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals in cold
> climates have very high concentrations in the liver).

But they would be getting it all naturally - when was
the last time Sir David Attinburough(sp?) explained
that the polar bear was struggling with the lid of its
pill bottle because it was one of the new child proof
ones?

Snakes, spiders, etc contain venom - should we?

I don't think finding high concentrations of a substance
in animals is sufficient reason for dosing up on it.
I would be looking into its effects on humans.

hippy
popped VitC this morning to appease the supplement gods

[Marty]

"hippy" > wrote in message >...
> "John Henderson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred
> > (albeit explorers eating polar bear liver).
>
> Polar bear liver!? What the?!
> Why not their juicy brains? ;-)
>
> > So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but
> > in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals in cold
> > climates have very high concentrations in the liver).
>
> But they would be getting it all naturally - when was
> the last time Sir David Attinburough(sp?) explained
> that the polar bear was struggling with the lid of its
> pill bottle because it was one of the new child proof
> ones?
>
> Snakes, spiders, etc contain venom - should we?
>
> I don't think finding high concentrations of a substance
> in animals is sufficient reason for dosing up on it.
> I would be looking into its effects on humans.
>
> hippy
> popped VitC this morning to appease the supplement gods


When one considers the fact that some of our biggest vitamin
manufacturers hadn't been putting vitamins into the vitamin tablets
they were sellling, and nobody seemed to have noticed, I suggest you'd
be better off taking a good course of placebos.

Marty

[Marty]

"hippy" > wrote in message >...
> "John Henderson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred
> > (albeit explorers eating polar bear liver).
>
> Polar bear liver!? What the?!
> Why not their juicy brains? ;-)
>
> > So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but
> > in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals in cold
> > climates have very high concentrations in the liver).
>
> But they would be getting it all naturally - when was
> the last time Sir David Attinburough(sp?) explained
> that the polar bear was struggling with the lid of its
> pill bottle because it was one of the new child proof
> ones?
>
> Snakes, spiders, etc contain venom - should we?
>
> I don't think finding high concentrations of a substance
> in animals is sufficient reason for dosing up on it.
> I would be looking into its effects on humans.
>
> hippy
> popped VitC this morning to appease the supplement gods


When one considers the fact that some of our biggest vitamin
manufacturers hadn't been putting vitamins into the vitamin tablets
they were sellling, and nobody seemed to have noticed, I suggest you'd
be better off taking a good course of placebos.

Marty

[hippy]

"Marty" > wrote in message
om...
> When one considers the fact that some of our biggest vitamin
> manufacturers hadn't been putting vitamins into the vitamin tablets
> they were sellling, and nobody seemed to have noticed, I suggest you'd
> be better off taking a good course of placebos.

It wasn't that bad was it? I thought they were just adding floor
scrapings to existing pills... bit of rat poo here, sawdust there,
you know? ;-)

I wish there was some conclusive proof one way or the other
as to how useful various supplements are. 'Serious Cycling'
seems to favour the use of various antioxidant supplements
but they are expensive, possibly harmful in the wrong
dosage, may not even be the substance you are paying for
and might not even be doing anything!
On the other hand, their seems to be evidence that some
of these supplements actually do you good.. why can't it
be a simpler choice!!

hippy
mumble stupid grumble pills mumble

[hippy]

"Marty" > wrote in message
om...
> When one considers the fact that some of our biggest vitamin
> manufacturers hadn't been putting vitamins into the vitamin tablets
> they were sellling, and nobody seemed to have noticed, I suggest you'd
> be better off taking a good course of placebos.

It wasn't that bad was it? I thought they were just adding floor
scrapings to existing pills... bit of rat poo here, sawdust there,
you know? ;-)

I wish there was some conclusive proof one way or the other
as to how useful various supplements are. 'Serious Cycling'
seems to favour the use of various antioxidant supplements
but they are expensive, possibly harmful in the wrong
dosage, may not even be the substance you are paying for
and might not even be doing anything!
On the other hand, their seems to be evidence that some
of these supplements actually do you good.. why can't it
be a simpler choice!!

hippy
mumble stupid grumble pills mumble

[DRS]

hippy > wrote in message


[...]

> I wish there was some conclusive proof one way or the other
> as to how useful various supplements are.

The AIS uses Cenovis, which tells you two things. Firstly, vitamin pills do
you some good. Two, don't waste your money on the super-duper NASA-designed
mega-ultra-slow release jumbo economy size pills. The ones at the
supermarket are good enough.

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[DRS]

hippy > wrote in message


[...]

> I wish there was some conclusive proof one way or the other
> as to how useful various supplements are.

The AIS uses Cenovis, which tells you two things. Firstly, vitamin pills do
you some good. Two, don't waste your money on the super-duper NASA-designed
mega-ultra-slow release jumbo economy size pills. The ones at the
supermarket are good enough.

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[DRS]

hippy > wrote in message


[...]

> "US RDA for VitA is 5000IU per day. Many people
> believe you need 10,000 - 20,000 IU of VitA to fight
> infections and battle free radicals"

The Australian RDA is 2500IU per day. Excessive VitA has been proven to be
dangerous, 8000IU per day being about the threshold. Pregnant women
especially should be careful not to take too much.

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[DRS]

hippy > wrote in message


[...]

> "US RDA for VitA is 5000IU per day. Many people
> believe you need 10,000 - 20,000 IU of VitA to fight
> infections and battle free radicals"

The Australian RDA is 2500IU per day. Excessive VitA has been proven to be
dangerous, 8000IU per day being about the threshold. Pregnant women
especially should be careful not to take too much.

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[DJ]

"hippy" > wrote in message
...
> "John Henderson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred
> > (albeit explorers eating polar bear liver).
>
> Polar bear liver!? What the?!
> Why not their juicy brains? ;-)

Maybe because their brains are warped by too much BUNDY RUM LOL
>
> > So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but
> > in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals in cold
> > climates have very high concentrations in the liver).
>
> But they would be getting it all naturally - when was
> the last time Sir David Attinburough(sp?) explained
> that the polar bear was struggling with the lid of its
> pill bottle because it was one of the new child proof
> ones?
>
> Snakes, spiders, etc contain venom - should we?
>
> I don't think finding high concentrations of a substance
> in animals is sufficient reason for dosing up on it.
> I would be looking into its effects on humans.
>
> hippy
> popped VitC this morning to appease the supplement gods
>
>