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[Mike Buckler]

T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts like hell.
Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm cannot support its
own weight and looking down the road to see a queue of traffic waiting
patiently.

Many thanks to passers by who provided assistance and to the ambulance people
and the Joondalup Health campus staff who were *all* very professional and
helpful.

On the way home from Joondalup by taxi we passed the scene of another accident
There was much hand waving and worried looking people stood about as the
ambulance arrived. I saw someone lift up a bicycle wheel that looked like a
potato crisp. I hope they are OK.

Mike

[Tim Jones]

"Mike Buckler" > wrote in message
...
> T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts like
hell.
> Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm cannot support
its
> own weight and looking down the road to see a queue of traffic waiting
> patiently.
>
> Many thanks to passers by who provided assistance and to the ambulance
people
> and the Joondalup Health campus staff who were *all* very professional and
> helpful.
>
> On the way home from Joondalup by taxi we passed the scene of another
accident
> There was much hand waving and worried looking people stood about as the
> ambulance arrived. I saw someone lift up a bicycle wheel that looked like
a
> potato crisp. I hope they are OK.
>

Hi Mike,

Hope you have a speedy recovery.

As a point of experience, how were you T-Boned?

Someone doing an illegal right hand turn? Not stopping at a stop sign?

Cheers.

Tim

[Tim Jones]

"Mike Buckler" > wrote in message
...
> T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts like
hell.
> Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm cannot support
its
> own weight and looking down the road to see a queue of traffic waiting
> patiently.
>
> Many thanks to passers by who provided assistance and to the ambulance
people
> and the Joondalup Health campus staff who were *all* very professional and
> helpful.
>
> On the way home from Joondalup by taxi we passed the scene of another
accident
> There was much hand waving and worried looking people stood about as the
> ambulance arrived. I saw someone lift up a bicycle wheel that looked like
a
> potato crisp. I hope they are OK.
>

Hi Mike,

Hope you have a speedy recovery.

As a point of experience, how were you T-Boned?

Someone doing an illegal right hand turn? Not stopping at a stop sign?

Cheers.

Tim

[Tim Jones]

"Mike Buckler" > wrote in message
...
> T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts like
hell.
> Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm cannot support
its
> own weight and looking down the road to see a queue of traffic waiting
> patiently.
>
> Many thanks to passers by who provided assistance and to the ambulance
people
> and the Joondalup Health campus staff who were *all* very professional and
> helpful.
>
> On the way home from Joondalup by taxi we passed the scene of another
accident
> There was much hand waving and worried looking people stood about as the
> ambulance arrived. I saw someone lift up a bicycle wheel that looked like
a
> potato crisp. I hope they are OK.
>

Hi Mike,

Hope you have a speedy recovery.

As a point of experience, how were you T-Boned?

Someone doing an illegal right hand turn? Not stopping at a stop sign?

Cheers.

Tim

[Mike Buckler]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:36:56 +1000, "Tim Jones"
> wrote:

>Hi Mike,
>
>Hope you have a speedy recovery.
>As a point of experience, how were you T-Boned?
>Someone doing an illegal right hand turn? Not stopping at a stop sign?

Vehicle turning right from a side road onto a main road on which I was
travelling.

Mike

[Mike Buckler]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:36:56 +1000, "Tim Jones"
> wrote:

>Hi Mike,
>
>Hope you have a speedy recovery.
>As a point of experience, how were you T-Boned?
>Someone doing an illegal right hand turn? Not stopping at a stop sign?

Vehicle turning right from a side road onto a main road on which I was
travelling.

Mike

[Mike Buckler]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:36:56 +1000, "Tim Jones"
> wrote:

>Hi Mike,
>
>Hope you have a speedy recovery.
>As a point of experience, how were you T-Boned?
>Someone doing an illegal right hand turn? Not stopping at a stop sign?

Vehicle turning right from a side road onto a main road on which I was
travelling.

Mike

[Deep Freud Moors]

Mike Buckler > wrote in message
...
> T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts like
hell.
> Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm cannot support
its
> own weight and looking down the road to see a queue of traffic waiting
> patiently.

Oooooh, bugger!

I know that surreal feeling you are talking about, having done enormous
amounts of damage to myself over the years. One minute you are cruising
along just fine, the next you are one your arse, wondering just what you
have done this time.

A fracture is actually not so bad. Dislocated shoulders are the worst,
because they re-occur. Guess you have to find another hobby for a few weeks
then, eh!
---
DFM

[Deep Freud Moors]

Mike Buckler > wrote in message
...
> T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts like
hell.
> Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm cannot support
its
> own weight and looking down the road to see a queue of traffic waiting
> patiently.

Oooooh, bugger!

I know that surreal feeling you are talking about, having done enormous
amounts of damage to myself over the years. One minute you are cruising
along just fine, the next you are one your arse, wondering just what you
have done this time.

A fracture is actually not so bad. Dislocated shoulders are the worst,
because they re-occur. Guess you have to find another hobby for a few weeks
then, eh!
---
DFM

[Deep Freud Moors]

Mike Buckler > wrote in message
...
> T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts like
hell.
> Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm cannot support
its
> own weight and looking down the road to see a queue of traffic waiting
> patiently.

Oooooh, bugger!

I know that surreal feeling you are talking about, having done enormous
amounts of damage to myself over the years. One minute you are cruising
along just fine, the next you are one your arse, wondering just what you
have done this time.

A fracture is actually not so bad. Dislocated shoulders are the worst,
because they re-occur. Guess you have to find another hobby for a few weeks
then, eh!
---
DFM

[troyq]

Mike Buckler wrote:
> T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts
> like hell. Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm
> cannot support its own weight and looking down the road to see a queue
> of traffic waiting patiently.
> Many thanks to passers by who provided assistance and to the ambulance
> people and the Joondalup Health campus staff who were *all* very
> professional and helpful.
> On the way home from Joondalup by taxi we passed the scene of another
> accident There was much hand waving and worried looking people stood
> about as the ambulance arrived. I saw someone lift up a bicycle wheel
> that looked like a potato crisp. I hope they are OK.
> Mike



I know exactly where you're coming from...

This was all very familiar to me about 2 weeks ago as well... car did a
right turn in front of me and i had nowhere to go. T-boned him at
something like 35 km/hr (although im sure it was less after having 3-4
metres to brake). Fractured wrist and injured shoulder. Helmet saved me
yet again. I have been in more serious accidents but this is the worst I
have come out of one?!

Could have been much worse I realise (and i am very grateful for that)
but the thing I am most disappointed about is missing around the bay in
a day and the mont 24hr race. oh well, always next year.

cheers, Troy



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[troyq]

Mike Buckler wrote:
> T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts
> like hell. Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm
> cannot support its own weight and looking down the road to see a queue
> of traffic waiting patiently.
> Many thanks to passers by who provided assistance and to the ambulance
> people and the Joondalup Health campus staff who were *all* very
> professional and helpful.
> On the way home from Joondalup by taxi we passed the scene of another
> accident There was much hand waving and worried looking people stood
> about as the ambulance arrived. I saw someone lift up a bicycle wheel
> that looked like a potato crisp. I hope they are OK.
> Mike



I know exactly where you're coming from...

This was all very familiar to me about 2 weeks ago as well... car did a
right turn in front of me and i had nowhere to go. T-boned him at
something like 35 km/hr (although im sure it was less after having 3-4
metres to brake). Fractured wrist and injured shoulder. Helmet saved me
yet again. I have been in more serious accidents but this is the worst I
have come out of one?!

Could have been much worse I realise (and i am very grateful for that)
but the thing I am most disappointed about is missing around the bay in
a day and the mont 24hr race. oh well, always next year.

cheers, Troy



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[Jorgen]

"Mike Buckler" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:36:56 +1000, "Tim Jones"
> > wrote:
>
> >Hi Mike,
> >
> >Hope you have a speedy recovery.
> >As a point of experience, how were you T-Boned?
> >Someone doing an illegal right hand turn? Not stopping at a stop sign?
>
> Vehicle turning right from a side road onto a main road on which I was
> travelling.

Obviously the car owner knew to protect his bonnet from cyclists getting in
his way by installing a bull bar...

j
// who reckons bull bars should be banned in the cities

[Jorgen]

"Mike Buckler" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:36:56 +1000, "Tim Jones"
> > wrote:
>
> >Hi Mike,
> >
> >Hope you have a speedy recovery.
> >As a point of experience, how were you T-Boned?
> >Someone doing an illegal right hand turn? Not stopping at a stop sign?
>
> Vehicle turning right from a side road onto a main road on which I was
> travelling.

Obviously the car owner knew to protect his bonnet from cyclists getting in
his way by installing a bull bar...

j
// who reckons bull bars should be banned in the cities

[calm]

Keep all details and records, write everything down and see a personal
injury lawyer.
Last time I got hit, I was bleeding into the gutter thinking.. no way am
I paying for this one!, (and) why cant I see out my right eye (and)
****, where's this blood coming from.

Unless you've done something very improper in terms of road rules, the
cyclist should win the Cycle vs. Car case. But go through a lawyer,
'cause they will 'try it on', and you want to remove the 'emotional
component' in any case.

It took a year, but I got a cute new nose and >10,000 for my trouble.
The Insurance Commission in your state should have a fund set aside each
year for road injuries. My understanding is that you (your lawyer) has
to do the work to dip into this fund. A personal injury lawyer deals
with these things every day/week. There is a schedule of payout per
unjured body part. Then there is lost income, pain, emotional and
lifestyle impact which you might pursue. Then you might find the score
more acceptable, like : Bull-bar 0 Cyclist 10,000.

Always good to have a friend take photos of the gory physical details at
each step.



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troyq wrote:
>
> Mike Buckler wrote:
> > T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts
> > like hell. Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm
> > cannot support its own weight and looking down the road to see a queue
> > of traffic waiting patiently.
> > Many thanks to passers by who provided assistance and to the ambulance
> > people and the Joondalup Health campus staff who were *all* very
> > professional and helpful.
> > On the way home from Joondalup by taxi we passed the scene of another
> > accident There was much hand waving and worried looking people stood
> > about as the ambulance arrived. I saw someone lift up a bicycle wheel
> > that looked like a potato crisp. I hope they are OK.
> > Mike
>
> I know exactly where you're coming from...
>
> This was all very familiar to me about 2 weeks ago as well... car did a
> right turn in front of me and i had nowhere to go. T-boned him at
> something like 35 km/hr (although im sure it was less after having 3-4
> metres to brake). Fractured wrist and injured shoulder. Helmet saved me
> yet again. I have been in more serious accidents but this is the worst I
> have come out of one?!
>
> Could have been much worse I realise (and i am very grateful for that)
> but the thing I am most disappointed about is missing around the bay in
> a day and the mont 24hr race. oh well, always next year.
>
> cheers, Troy
>
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[calm]

Keep all details and records, write everything down and see a personal
injury lawyer.
Last time I got hit, I was bleeding into the gutter thinking.. no way am
I paying for this one!, (and) why cant I see out my right eye (and)
****, where's this blood coming from.

Unless you've done something very improper in terms of road rules, the
cyclist should win the Cycle vs. Car case. But go through a lawyer,
'cause they will 'try it on', and you want to remove the 'emotional
component' in any case.

It took a year, but I got a cute new nose and >10,000 for my trouble.
The Insurance Commission in your state should have a fund set aside each
year for road injuries. My understanding is that you (your lawyer) has
to do the work to dip into this fund. A personal injury lawyer deals
with these things every day/week. There is a schedule of payout per
unjured body part. Then there is lost income, pain, emotional and
lifestyle impact which you might pursue. Then you might find the score
more acceptable, like : Bull-bar 0 Cyclist 10,000.

Always good to have a friend take photos of the gory physical details at
each step.



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troyq wrote:
>
> Mike Buckler wrote:
> > T-boned at 15kph. Fractured arm just below the shoulder joint. Hurts
> > like hell. Somewhat surreal lying on the road realising that your arm
> > cannot support its own weight and looking down the road to see a queue
> > of traffic waiting patiently.
> > Many thanks to passers by who provided assistance and to the ambulance
> > people and the Joondalup Health campus staff who were *all* very
> > professional and helpful.
> > On the way home from Joondalup by taxi we passed the scene of another
> > accident There was much hand waving and worried looking people stood
> > about as the ambulance arrived. I saw someone lift up a bicycle wheel
> > that looked like a potato crisp. I hope they are OK.
> > Mike
>
> I know exactly where you're coming from...
>
> This was all very familiar to me about 2 weeks ago as well... car did a
> right turn in front of me and i had nowhere to go. T-boned him at
> something like 35 km/hr (although im sure it was less after having 3-4
> metres to brake). Fractured wrist and injured shoulder. Helmet saved me
> yet again. I have been in more serious accidents but this is the worst I
> have come out of one?!
>
> Could have been much worse I realise (and i am very grateful for that)
> but the thing I am most disappointed about is missing around the bay in
> a day and the mont 24hr race. oh well, always next year.
>
> cheers, Troy
>
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[Spider1977]

Mike,

You should be covered for your medical expenses under the compulsory
Motor Accidents insurance which comes with car registration. Assuming
the car involved was registered.

Do you think you would have been injured if there was no bull-bar on the
car? There is a movement getting some legs now to ban bull-bars or if
not, at least ensure they come under some stricter design rules.
Apparently bull bars which lean outwards from the car are illegal and
render a vehicle unroadworthy. Did the police have anything to say about
this at your accident scene.

If it was a poorly designed bull bar, I reckon you should see your
lawyer and get a damages claim in quick smart. It would be another nail
in the coffin for these road menacing implements.

I work in the bush all the time and do a fair bit of 4WD in my work. In
my experience bull bars are more trouble than they are worth - hinder
ability to turn and manouvre, especially in scrub or among trees. Most
modern 4WDs are designed not to need them anyway - they are just
cosmetic (some people suggest for insecure males who are lacking in
appropriately sized wedding tackle).

BTW nearly got T-boned myself on Saturday. I was in RH turning lane when
a hoon took off out of a service station on other side of road.
Obviously cyclist wasn't in his consciousness. Luckily I was able to
swerve. The hoon's bint in the passenger seat must have seen me because
she yelled and he hit the brakes hard. Still managed to give me the
finger and a gob full of queen's english - as if it were my fault. I
hope the a-hole loses all his dole money on the pokies!

Keep on truckin ol' buddy. You'll be back on two wheels before long.



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[Spider1977]

Mike,

You should be covered for your medical expenses under the compulsory
Motor Accidents insurance which comes with car registration. Assuming
the car involved was registered.

Do you think you would have been injured if there was no bull-bar on the
car? There is a movement getting some legs now to ban bull-bars or if
not, at least ensure they come under some stricter design rules.
Apparently bull bars which lean outwards from the car are illegal and
render a vehicle unroadworthy. Did the police have anything to say about
this at your accident scene.

If it was a poorly designed bull bar, I reckon you should see your
lawyer and get a damages claim in quick smart. It would be another nail
in the coffin for these road menacing implements.

I work in the bush all the time and do a fair bit of 4WD in my work. In
my experience bull bars are more trouble than they are worth - hinder
ability to turn and manouvre, especially in scrub or among trees. Most
modern 4WDs are designed not to need them anyway - they are just
cosmetic (some people suggest for insecure males who are lacking in
appropriately sized wedding tackle).

BTW nearly got T-boned myself on Saturday. I was in RH turning lane when
a hoon took off out of a service station on other side of road.
Obviously cyclist wasn't in his consciousness. Luckily I was able to
swerve. The hoon's bint in the passenger seat must have seen me because
she yelled and he hit the brakes hard. Still managed to give me the
finger and a gob full of queen's english - as if it were my fault. I
hope the a-hole loses all his dole money on the pokies!

Keep on truckin ol' buddy. You'll be back on two wheels before long.



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[Andrew Swan]

calm wrote:
<snip>
> It took a year, but I got a cute new nose and >10,000 for my trouble.
<snip>

Can we see the nose?

&roo

[Andrew Swan]

calm wrote:
<snip>
> It took a year, but I got a cute new nose and >10,000 for my trouble.
<snip>

Can we see the nose?

&roo