Dogs

[GABIKE]

Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I got
chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike. Never
given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me before.
What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

[Small Black Dog]

> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

We eat you.

Small Black Dog

[Robert Hampton]

GABIKE wrote:
> Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I got
> chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike. Never
> given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me before.
> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

A kid at our church was riding on a farm-to-market road to church one
afternoon (rural church) when a dog jumped him and knocked him into the
"bar ditch". Did a few hundred dollars worth of damage to his bike.
Have your waterbottle handy. They usually hate water sprayed in their face.

--
Robert Hampton
Genesis POS
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[Robin Hubert]

"GABIKE" > wrote in message
...
> Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I
got
> chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.
Never
> given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me
before.
> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

When large dogs chase me I usually either slow down and play with them or
brake, u-turn, and reverse the chase. If I'm sure the dog is a trained
attack dog (extremely rare), I'll pass.



--
Robin Hubert >

[mark]

"GABIKE" wrote ...
> Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I
got
> chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.
Never
> given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me
before.
> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

The Great Dane that caught me jumped up and put his paws on my shoulders and
started licking my face. He was a puppy and wanted to make friends. Luckily
I had stopped the bike and gotten off.

My usual response to a dog chasing me is to get off the bike and face the
dog, holding the bike between me and the dog as a protective barrier (it
might look like a weapon to the dog) and yell at the dog to go home. It's
always worked so far...
--
mark

[Marlene Blanshay]

In article k.net>,
"mark" > wrote:

> "GABIKE" wrote ...
> > Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I
> got
> > chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.
> Never
> > given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me
> before.
> > What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?
>
> The Great Dane that caught me jumped up and put his paws on my shoulders and
> started licking my face. He was a puppy and wanted to make friends. Luckily
> I had stopped the bike and gotten off.
>
> My usual response to a dog chasing me is to get off the bike and face the
> dog, holding the bike between me and the dog as a protective barrier (it
> might look like a weapon to the dog) and yell at the dog to go home. It's
> always worked so far...
> --
> mark

Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of
them. I had a friend whose bloodhound used to chase after everything (he
was always on a leash though)- roller bladers, skateboarders, kids playing
snowballs, kids playing hockey, cyclists. BUt he would never bite anyone
although he did try to grab some rollerbladers shorts!

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article >,
says...

>Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I got
>chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike. Never
>given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me before.
>What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

Sometimes they bark at you. Sometimes they bite. Sometimes they turn around
and go home.
-----------------
Alex __O
_-\<,_
(_)/ (_)

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

> Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I
got
> chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.
Never
> given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me
before.
> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

We've got some info on our website- www.ChainReaction.com/dogs that might be
of help. In many cases, dogs may do exactly nothing once they catch their
prey. The fun is in the chase, and it's boring to just sit there in a
stand-off with a cyclist. Not all the time though; there are obviously some
dogs that are trained to attack anything that they feel is intruding into
their area.

Great Danes aren't generally a nasty species though, and it may have simply
been wanting to have some fun (play) with you. This does happen; I've been
in races where dogs ran into the middle of the pack, thinking they were
having a great time. Once things didn't turn out too well, for either the
dog or a bunch of cyclists.

Be smart, and try to figure out what the dog is up to. You *are* smarter
than the dog, which you can use to your advantage.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[Duffy Pratt]

There have been a few occaisons when I have been too tired to outrun a dog
(especially when out of shape), or run into the dogs at a dead end or forced
turn around point.

The biggest danger with dogs is that they might run into your wheels and
send you both flying. That hasn't happenned to me, but I've seen it and its
not pretty at all.

If the dog is going to catch up, I will slow down and start to get off the
bike on the side away from the dog. Usually they will stop and bark. Once
I'm off the bike, I use it as a shield and get the pump to use as a weapon,
if its needed. I've never had to do either though. Most dogs will back
away from something that is not acting like prey, is not running, is not
scared, and is willing to outshout and out stare them.

Duffy

"Mike Jacoubowsky" > wrote in message
...
> > Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I
> got
> > chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.
> Never
> > given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me
> before.
> > What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?
>
> We've got some info on our website- www.ChainReaction.com/dogs that might
be
> of help. In many cases, dogs may do exactly nothing once they catch their
> prey. The fun is in the chase, and it's boring to just sit there in a
> stand-off with a cyclist. Not all the time though; there are obviously
some
> dogs that are trained to attack anything that they feel is intruding into
> their area.
>
> Great Danes aren't generally a nasty species though, and it may have
simply
> been wanting to have some fun (play) with you. This does happen; I've
been
> in races where dogs ran into the middle of the pack, thinking they were
> having a great time. Once things didn't turn out too well, for either the
> dog or a bunch of cyclists.
>
> Be smart, and try to figure out what the dog is up to. You *are* smarter
> than the dog, which you can use to your advantage.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>

[Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles]

> If the dog is going to catch up, I will slow down and start to get off the
> bike on the side away from the dog. Usually they will stop and bark.
Once
> I'm off the bike, I use it as a shield and get the pump to use as a
weapon,
> if its needed. I've never had to do either though. Most dogs will back
> away from something that is not acting like prey, is not running, is not
> scared, and is willing to outshout and out stare them.

Absolutely true. If I'm not in a rush, I actually enjoy stopping and
staring them (dogs) down, assuming, of course, it's not drooling too much
and audibly ganshing teeth! It has an amazingly powerful effect when you
simply stop and stare a dog down (when it's been coming after you). They
just don't know what to do, because that's not the way they're programmed.
And experience has told me that this can actually "break" a dog
psychologically... they will sometimes stop going after cyclists after such
an experience.

But keep in mind this works with relatively "normal" dogs. If somebody has
trained a pitbull (or any other aggressive breed) to shred & kill, you
really ought to find someplace else to be. But the same rules of safety
still apply- put your bike between you and the dog.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com

"Duffy Pratt" > wrote in message
...
> There have been a few occaisons when I have been too tired to outrun a dog
> (especially when out of shape), or run into the dogs at a dead end or
forced
> turn around point.
>
> The biggest danger with dogs is that they might run into your wheels and
> send you both flying. That hasn't happenned to me, but I've seen it and
its
> not pretty at all.
>
> If the dog is going to catch up, I will slow down and start to get off the
> bike on the side away from the dog. Usually they will stop and bark.
Once
> I'm off the bike, I use it as a shield and get the pump to use as a
weapon,
> if its needed. I've never had to do either though. Most dogs will back
> away from something that is not acting like prey, is not running, is not
> scared, and is willing to outshout and out stare them.
>
> Duffy
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs,
I
> > got
> > > chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the
bike.
> > Never
> > > given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me
> > before.
> > > What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?
> >
> > We've got some info on our website- www.ChainReaction.com/dogs that
might
> be
> > of help. In many cases, dogs may do exactly nothing once they catch
their
> > prey. The fun is in the chase, and it's boring to just sit there in a
> > stand-off with a cyclist. Not all the time though; there are obviously
> some
> > dogs that are trained to attack anything that they feel is intruding
into
> > their area.
> >
> > Great Danes aren't generally a nasty species though, and it may have
> simply
> > been wanting to have some fun (play) with you. This does happen; I've
> been
> > in races where dogs ran into the middle of the pack, thinking they were
> > having a great time. Once things didn't turn out too well, for either
the
> > dog or a bunch of cyclists.
> >
> > Be smart, and try to figure out what the dog is up to. You *are*
smarter
> > than the dog, which you can use to your advantage.
> >
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> > http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> >
> >
>
>

[Golightly F.]

Your only defense is to use the water bottle... or hammer the pedals for a
while.

Catching the dog is probably not a good idea... but catching the dogs owner
is.

fwiw

"GABIKE" >
> Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I
got
> chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.
Never
> given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me
before.
> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
(Marlene Blanshay) writes:

> Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of
> them.

My experience with great danes is similar. The ones I've
known were all more civil and civilized than many humans.
And often, better conversationalists. The poor critters
had short lives though -- apparently they get too big for
their hearts, physiologically speaking. I wouldn't encourage
them to over-exert, or to get overly excited.

> I had a friend whose bloodhound used to chase after everything (he
> was always on a leash though)- roller bladers, skateboarders, kids playing
> snowballs, kids playing hockey, cyclists. BUt he would never bite anyone
> although he did try to grab some rollerbladers shorts!

LOL!


cheers,
Tom

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[henry]

E-ddy!!!!!

Seriously, all of my encounters have been easily managed with one or a combo
of the following:

1. Say "hi puppy!" etc., in a high-pitched falsetto little girl voice.
Percieved as non-threatening, they often lose interest and trot away.

2. If that doesn't work yell "SIT! STAY!", in a VERY commanding voice, and
hope they think your are their master. Fun when it works!!

3. I usually find that squirting them with water doesn't help on a hot day
if they've been chasing for long cause they are thirsty and will hang with
you for the relief. I used to carry some dog biscuits in my saddle bag and
would toss them out if all of the above failed.

4. When all else fails, go to big ring, stand up and hope they don't get in
your front wheel.

There was a big dog that charged us every Saturday on Sunday on our northern
route. I mentioned to my father and he recognized the location of the farm
and knew the owner. From the following weekend on, "Rusty" was in the
screened-in porch every weekend!

ie
ride fast, take chances
--------


"GABIKE" > wrote in message
...
> Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I
got
> chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.
Never
> given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me
before.
> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

[S. Anderson]

"Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" > wrote
in message . com...
>
> Absolutely true. If I'm not in a rush, I actually enjoy stopping and
> staring them (dogs) down, assuming, of course, it's not drooling too much
> and audibly ganshing teeth! It has an amazingly powerful effect when you
> simply stop and stare a dog down (when it's been coming after you). They
> just don't know what to do, because that's not the way they're programmed.
> And experience has told me that this can actually "break" a dog
> psychologically... they will sometimes stop going after cyclists after
such
> an experience.
>
> But keep in mind this works with relatively "normal" dogs. If somebody
has
> trained a pitbull (or any other aggressive breed) to shred & kill, you
> really ought to find someplace else to be. But the same rules of safety
> still apply- put your bike between you and the dog.
>
> --Mike--
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
>

It's a dangerous thing to stare down a dog you don't know. You're directly
challenging his dominance and if he decides that he's dominant, you might
get bit. They're absolutely programmed for stare contests..that's one of
the most basic methods they use for establishing rank in the pack and it IS
a fairly serious event for the dog. For the most part, dogs are happy to be
submissive, don't want a fight and will back down. Which is the same reason
most dogs don't bite when they chase you. They just see something that
looks exciting and they're in it for the fun of the chase. As soon as the
chase stops, they're back to being normal, boring dogs. I think the
stare-down is an unnecessary risk. Unfortunately, it is this type of
reaction that is necessary to stop that behaviour. When the dog chases
cyclists and we ride away at a furious pace, the dog is happy and this
reinforces the desire to keep doing it because it's so much fun for him.
The owner is really the one who should curb the behaviour with some
dominance assertion. It shouldn't have to come to a cyclist gambling on a
dominance challenge to curb the dog's behaviour. That's risky for you.
Unfortunately, owners are rarely held accountable for their dog's actions,
which is unfortunate for the dog and the people they bite.

Cheers,

Scott..

[Marlene Blanshay]

In article >, (Tom
Keats) wrote:

> In article >,
> (Marlene Blanshay) writes:
>
> > Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of
> > them.
>
> My experience with great danes is similar. The ones I've
> known were all more civil and civilized than many humans.
> And often, better conversationalists. The poor critters
> had short lives though -- apparently they get too big for
> their hearts, physiologically speaking. I wouldn't encourage
> them to over-exert, or to get overly excited.
>
> > I had a friend whose bloodhound used to chase after everything (he
> > was always on a leash though)- roller bladers, skateboarders, kids playing
> > snowballs, kids playing hockey, cyclists. BUt he would never bite anyone
> > although he did try to grab some rollerbladers shorts!
>
> LOL!
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom

Yeah, it's kind of sad that Danes only live about 7 or 8 years-big dogs
have short life spans. Bloodhounds too, live about ten, maybe 11 tops. But
anyways, I have yet to see a bad tempered great dane. In spite of their
humungous size, they are actually good in city apartments. I've known
people who've kept them in the city and they are really easy, not hyper or
barky. And if they do bark, they can scare away any possible intruder.

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

> It's a dangerous thing to stare down a dog you don't know. You're
directly
> challenging his dominance and if he decides that he's dominant, you might
> get bit. They're absolutely programmed for stare contests..that's one of
> the most basic methods they use for establishing rank in the pack and it
IS
> a fairly serious event for the dog. For the most part, dogs are happy to
be
> submissive, don't want a fight and will back down. Which is the same
reason
> most dogs don't bite when they chase you. They just see something that
> looks exciting and they're in it for the fun of the chase. As soon as the
> chase stops, they're back to being normal, boring dogs. I think the
> stare-down is an unnecessary risk. Unfortunately, it is this type of
> reaction that is necessary to stop that behaviour. When the dog chases
> cyclists and we ride away at a furious pace, the dog is happy and this
> reinforces the desire to keep doing it because it's so much fun for him.
> The owner is really the one who should curb the behaviour with some
> dominance assertion. It shouldn't have to come to a cyclist gambling on a
> dominance challenge to curb the dog's behaviour. That's risky for you.
> Unfortunately, owners are rarely held accountable for their dog's actions,
> which is unfortunate for the dog and the people they bite.

Scott: You're right, of course, and yet I don't find that many dogs that
are willing to continue to press when they discover that you're not afraid
of them. Dogs have this way of sensing fear that's almost unbelievable.
Maybe I'm just dumb and wasn't born with enough respect for nasty dogs?
But, once broken, a dog just doesn't seem as nasty towards cyclists in the
future. The stuff about spraying them with water or mace works great that
one time, but doesn't seem to deter them from trying again.

Maybe I was a snake charmer in a former life?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[Duffy Pratt]

I resort to staring them down only when I know I can't outrun them for some
reason. I know its risky, but if its a dog you won't beat at the dominance
game, its probably gonna try to go for you anyway, I think.

Another thing is I will only stop the bike and get off when I'm pretty sure
I'm off of their turf. Dogs will be much more aggressive if you are
intruding on their territory.

Duffy

"Mike Jacoubowsky" > wrote in message
gy.com...
> > It's a dangerous thing to stare down a dog you don't know. You're
> directly
> > challenging his dominance and if he decides that he's dominant, you
might
> > get bit. They're absolutely programmed for stare contests..that's one
of
> > the most basic methods they use for establishing rank in the pack and it
> IS
> > a fairly serious event for the dog. For the most part, dogs are happy
to
> be
> > submissive, don't want a fight and will back down. Which is the same
> reason
> > most dogs don't bite when they chase you. They just see something that
> > looks exciting and they're in it for the fun of the chase. As soon as
the
> > chase stops, they're back to being normal, boring dogs. I think the
> > stare-down is an unnecessary risk. Unfortunately, it is this type of
> > reaction that is necessary to stop that behaviour. When the dog chases
> > cyclists and we ride away at a furious pace, the dog is happy and this
> > reinforces the desire to keep doing it because it's so much fun for him.
> > The owner is really the one who should curb the behaviour with some
> > dominance assertion. It shouldn't have to come to a cyclist gambling on
a
> > dominance challenge to curb the dog's behaviour. That's risky for you.
> > Unfortunately, owners are rarely held accountable for their dog's
actions,
> > which is unfortunate for the dog and the people they bite.
>
> Scott: You're right, of course, and yet I don't find that many dogs that
> are willing to continue to press when they discover that you're not afraid
> of them. Dogs have this way of sensing fear that's almost unbelievable.
> Maybe I'm just dumb and wasn't born with enough respect for nasty dogs?
> But, once broken, a dog just doesn't seem as nasty towards cyclists in the
> future. The stuff about spraying them with water or mace works great that
> one time, but doesn't seem to deter them from trying again.
>
> Maybe I was a snake charmer in a former life?
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>

[GABIKE]

> I have yet to see a bad tempered great dane. In spite of their
>humungous size, they are actually good in city apartments. I've known
>people who've kept them in the city and they are really easy, not hyper or
>barky. And if they do bark, they can scare away any possible intruder.
>
I have never seen a mean one either till that ride. He was doing that
growley/barkey thing as he ran towards me, kind of like what my german shepard
does when hes chasing a rabbit or squerrel in the back yard. When my dog
catches them, he doesnt give up and say that was fun and trot back to the
porch. There is usually something morbid to follow.
He loves to play fetch, if he cant find a ball he will dig up a rock (stupid
dog), one day he droped a "ball" at my wifes feet, she almost picked it up when
she realized it was a rabbit head. Needless to say it was a significant
emotional event for my wife who always had pet rabbits when she was little. I
tried not to laugh, but that was funny stuff.

[J.P. and Earl]

While starting to ride really fast, I usually turn and face the dog and say
in a commanding voice...

"GET DOWN OFF THE COUCH"

They usually know that command or at the very least are confused enough to
look at me with a "what the f*ck?"

J.P.

"GABIKE" > wrote in message
...
> Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I
got
> chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.
Never
> given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me
before.
> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

[alan]

The tradition in group rides is to allow them to catch and eat the slowest
riders, proving Darwin was right once again.

--

alan

Anyone who believes in a liberal media has never read the "Daily Oklahoman."


"GABIKE" > wrote in message
...
> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

[Tom Sherman]

Marlene Blanshay wrote:
>
> Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of
> them. I had a friend whose bloodhound used to chase after everything (he
> was always on a leash though)- roller bladers, skateboarders, kids playing
> snowballs, kids playing hockey, cyclists. BUt he would never bite anyone
> although he did try to grab some rollerbladers shorts!

I know someone who was bitten by a Great Dane while riding - it must
have been the exception to the rule.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

[Mike Erb]

x-no-archive-yes
In article >, (Tom Keats) wrote:

>In article >,
> (Marlene Blanshay) writes:
>
>> Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of
>> them.

I ride on a lot of gravel back roads and when farm dogs are coming at me, I
use a "Dog Dazzer" ultrasonic device in addition to yelling "Get Back!".

The Dog Dazzer has an effective range of 15 feet but it certainly works!
I've had dogs literally slam to a stop as I pedaled away. BTW, the Dazzer
causes no permanent damage to the dog. For dogs that are deaf, there are
other methods of deterrence which also work on irate dog owners.

Mike

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[Hunrobe]

>Kevan Smith /\/\

wrote:

>Dogs don't have to ride ... they get driven places. The other stuff is just
>gravy.


"HAVE to ride"? That's like saying you "have to" make love to a beautiful
woman! Of course if you truly consider drinking from toilets, smelling strange
dogs' butts, and rolling in truly disgusting messes to be "gravy" I'd say
there's little danger that you'll be forced to make love to a beautiful woman.
<g>

Regards,
Bob Hunt

[Zoot Katz]

Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:04:13 -0500,
>, Kevan Smith
/\/\> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:55:13 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky" > from
>SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com wrote:
>
>>You *are* smarter
>>than the dog, which you can use to your advantage.
>
>People work hard all day. Dogs sleep a ton, play and then people feed them for
>free and scratch their backs and ears. Who's smarter?

When you've eaten as much homework as they have, you learn things.
--
zk

[Michael]

GABIKE wrote:
>
> Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I got
> chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike. Never
> given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me before.
> What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?


My personal experience is that most dogs just continue to make noise
beyond all reason. The only exception was a pit bull that made a pass
at my shoe but missed, went after the crank instead. In that case, the
a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled with ammonia that I carry came
in handy: one good, hard shot straight into that dog's eyes stopped it
cold.

[GABIKE]

>
>>In that case, the
>>a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled with ammonia that I carry came
>>in handy: one good, hard shot straight into that dog's eyes stopped it
>>cold.
>
>You should be reported for cruelty to animals. What if you had blinded the
>dog
>for life? A squirt bottle of water does the same thing just fine without the
>cruelty

I would have to agree if it wasnt for the fact that he was being activly
attacked by the dog. Plain water doesnt always work. Would you have felt better
if the rider was mauled by the dog? At least the dog wouldnt be hurt.

[Dennis P. Harris]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:22:52 -0500 in rec.bicycles.misc, Kevan
Smith /\/\> wrote:

> You should be reported for cruelty to animals. What if you had blinded the dog
> for life? A squirt bottle of water does the same thing just fine without the
> cruelty.
>
bull****. the dog should not be loose. yes, it's the owner's
fault, not the dog's, but that dog will probably never chase a
bike again.

[GABIKE]

>The dog would have been better off had it just been shot in the
>head.

A gun is too heavy and is a liability in a crash.

> If you want to carry a solution that will
>sting a dog but not blind it, try salt water in a concentration just a little
>higher than normal saline.

The dog will get plenty of a salt water concentration as hes shreading the
bikers sweat soaked jersey. Maybe that will stop the dog cold. The biker is
bleeding to death but the dog will be fine and thats what apparently matters.

[F1]

You exaggerate the rights of an attacking animal.

"Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
...
> On 16 Jul 2003 23:29:32 GMT, (GABIKE) from AOL
http://www.aol.com
> wrote:
>
> >>The dog would have been better off had it just been shot in the
> >>head.
> >
> >A gun is too heavy and is a liability in a crash.
> >
> >> If you want to carry a solution that will
> >>sting a dog but not blind it, try salt water in a concentration just a
little
> >>higher than normal saline.
> >
> >The dog will get plenty of a salt water concentration as hes shreading
the
> >bikers sweat soaked jersey. Maybe that will stop the dog cold. The biker
is
> >bleeding to death but the dog will be fine and thats what apparently
matters.
>
> You exaggerate the threat of dogs to cyclists.
>
>
>
> --
> http://home.sport.rr.com/cuthulu/ human rights = peace
> I know how to do SPECIAL EFFECTS!!
> 9:25:25 PM 16 July 2003
>

[Dennis P. Harris]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:38:51 -0500 in rec.bicycles.misc, Kevan
Smith /\/\> wrote:

> I have been. It's not too difficult to extract yourself from the situation. You
> might be scared of dogs -- that's OK. But it's not OK to torture animals with
> caustic solutions.
>
where i live it's legal to 1) carry concealed without a permit
and 2) shoot loose dogs if they are chasing.

as far as i'm concerned, any defense against an attacking dog is
OK.

[GABIKE]

>Then how about hogtieing them and staking them out on an ant bed?
>

You would just get mad at the dog for trying to defend himself from the ants.

[Chris B.]

On 17 Jul 2003 10:40:12 GMT, (GABIKE) wrote:

>>Then how about hogtieing them and staking them out on an ant bed?

>You would just get mad at the dog for trying to defend himself from the ants.

Ouch! Hoisted by his own petard.

Chris Bird

[Alexander Gilchrist]

Kevan Smith wrote:
>

> Then how about hogtieing them and staking them out on an ant bed?

No, that's the punishment for the owners that let them loose.

This whole thread was covered in depth about a month ago. Why are we
dragging it out again? Is the weather too hot or otherwise inclement
for biking?

Alexander Gilchrist

[Robin Hubert]

"Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:01:17 GMT, "Robin Hubert" >
from
> EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net wrote:
>
> >"Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:42:33 GMT, "F1"
> > from
> >> EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net wrote:
> >>
> >> >You exaggerate the rights of an attacking animal.
> >>
> >> No, I fully realize you have the right to defend yourself. Using
ammonia
> >is
> >> cruel. You won't kill the animal, but you will likely maim it for life.
> >There
> >> are better solutions to the problem than that cruelty.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Oh, stop the bull****! A dilute ammonia solution in a squirt gun or
bottle
> >ain't gonna blind nothin' for life, you idiot! Hurts like hell does not
> >equal blindness.
>
> This is the first time anyone has said "dilute ammonia." If you don't
think
> full-strength ammonia will blind you, pour some in your eyes.
>

Aw-right. I don't know if anyone proposed using full-strength household
ammonia, but I don't think anyone here would want to carry that ****.

Just to be proper, I'll read the whole thread (after July 11, 2003, that
is).

Ok, using Google, nothing at all about ammonia or I just misread everything.
Can you point me to this bit of text?


--
Robin Hubert >

[Zoot Katz]

Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:17:56 -0500,
>, Kevan Smith
/\/\> wrote:

>Actually, the guy just said the word "ammonia," and I assumed (yes, I know) that
>it was just ordinary, undiluted household ammonia. You were, though, the first
>to use the word "dilute."
>

Well, his use of "reagent bottle" led me to believe he was thinking
about reagent grade ammonia. Household Ammonia is very much diluted
already.

"Ammonia dissolves readily in water, and advantage can often be taken
of this to remove ammonia from gas process streams by washing.
Solutions of ammonia in water are weakly basic and, as "household
ammonia", find use in domestic cleaning and disinfecting. More
concentrated solutions are used in the chemical laboratory.
Reagent-grade ammonia solutions are colorless. The usual laboratory
concentrated reagent solutions are 28% NH3 by mass; their density is
0.90 kg/L, which corresponds to a 14.8 molar aqueous solution of
ammonia. "

Ammonia is used at dog shows for breaking up fights. Towels are soaked
in concentrated ammonia and thrown over the dogs heads.

If your're going to squirt the dog with anything use tobasco or lemon
juice or vinegar or soy sauce. Might as well start marinating him
because if it bites me, I'll eat the ****er right there.

>Here's the original message I responded to:
>
>Message-ID: >
>Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
>Subject: Re: Dogs
>
>quoting:
>
> "In that case, the a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled
> with ammonia that I carry came in handy: one good, hard shot
> straight into that dog's eyes stopped it cold."

--
zk

[Dennis P. Harris]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:41:09 -0700 in rec.bicycles.misc, Zoot
Katz > wrote:

> Ammonia is used at dog shows for breaking up fights. Towels are soaked
> in concentrated ammonia and thrown over the dogs heads.
>
Household ammonia in plastic containers has been used as a bear
repellent in Alaskan dumpsters for quite a while. Bear bites the
container, gets a snort of ammonia, drops it, and *never* returns
to that garbage source (and perhaps all human garbage).

[Elisa Francesca Roselli]

Zoot Katz wrote:

> If your're going to squirt the dog with anything use tobasco or lemon
> juice or vinegar or soy sauce. Might as well start marinating him
> because if it bites me, I'll eat the ****er right there.

Do you have a good recipe for dog ceviche?

Elisa Roselli
Ile de France

[Mike]

Well I agree that it would have more affect to spray the ammonia in the Dog's Owner's eyes instead,
but because the riders life could have been in danger, there wasn't a whole lot of choice in the
matter.

There are some bad Dogs in the world but there's a hell of a lot more bad Owners...

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:22:52 -0500, Kevan Smith /\/\> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:50:46 GMT, Michael > from AT&T Worldnet
>wrote:
>
>>In that case, the
>>a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled with ammonia that I carry came
>>in handy: one good, hard shot straight into that dog's eyes stopped it
>>cold.
>
>You should be reported for cruelty to animals. What if you had blinded the dog
>for life? A squirt bottle of water does the same thing just fine without the
>cruelty.

[example.com]

> Every time a car
> passes nears a bicycle, the rider's life _could_ be in danger. Should the
> cyclist shoot the car's wheels out?

No, between the eyes
:^)

"Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:21:05 GMT, Mike > from wrote:
>
> >Well I agree that it would have more affect to spray the ammonia in the
Dog's Owner's eyes instead,
> >but because the riders life could have been in danger, there wasn't a
whole lot of choice in the
> >matter.
>
>
> Ah, the pre-emptive strike doctrine. Thank you President Bush! Every time
a car
> passes nears a bicycle, the rider's life _could_ be in danger. Should the
> cyclist shoot the car's wheels out?
>
>
> --
> http://home.sport.rr.com/cuthulu/ human rights = peace
> There's enough money here to buy 5000 cans of Noodle-Roni!
> 4:39:27 PM 20 July 2003

[Mike]

Every time a car head straight at a person on a bike and starts hitting the biker then yes. Did you
miss the part where he said the dog was attacking his bike? COuld have made him fall and crack his
head open or who knows what...

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:39:50 -0500, Kevan Smith /\/\> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:21:05 GMT, Mike > from wrote:
>
>>Well I agree that it would have more affect to spray the ammonia in the Dog's Owner's eyes instead,
>>but because the riders life could have been in danger, there wasn't a whole lot of choice in the
>>matter.
>
>
>Ah, the pre-emptive strike doctrine. Thank you President Bush! Every time a car
>passes nears a bicycle, the rider's life _could_ be in danger. Should the
>cyclist shoot the car's wheels out?

[Harpie]

There's always the commercial sprays that mail delivery people use to ward
off dogs. It sends an effective message without hurting the animal; I'd
rather see that than using ammonia. You don't want to hurt the dog, but just
spraying water isn't going to accomplish anything either.

I've used the anti-dog sprays before with very good results, i.e. the dog
stops chasing me.
Marianne

"Mike" > wrote in message
...
> Well I agree that it would have more affect to spray the ammonia in the
Dog's Owner's eyes instead,
> but because the riders life could have been in danger, there wasn't a
whole lot of choice in the
> matter.
>
> There are some bad Dogs in the world but there's a hell of a lot more bad
Owners...
>
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:22:52 -0500, Kevan Smith
/\/\> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:50:46 GMT, Michael > from AT&T
Worldnet
> >wrote:
> >
> >>In that case, the
> >>a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled with ammonia that I carry came
> >>in handy: one good, hard shot straight into that dog's eyes stopped it
> >>cold.
> >
> >You should be reported for cruelty to animals. What if you had blinded
the dog
> >for life? A squirt bottle of water does the same thing just fine without
the
> >cruelty.
>

[Rick Onanian]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:21:16 -0500, wrote:
> That's not true. I've seen over and over how just a squirt of plain water
> at a
> dog's muzzle sends it running away.

My gf's ankle biters aren't very bothered by a sharp squirt of water --
though it can sometimes get their attention while they're barking
endlessly, it never stops them from doing anything; they even resume
barking if you don't, for example, shoot them with a 12 gauge shotgun.

--
Rick Onanian

[chsb]

Harpie wrote:

> There's always the commercial sprays that mail delivery people use to ward
> off dogs. It sends an effective message without hurting the animal; I'd
> rather see that than using ammonia. You don't want to hurt the dog, but just
> spraying water isn't going to accomplish anything either.
>
> I've used the anti-dog sprays before with very good results, i.e. the dog
> stops chasing me.
> Marianne
>
> "Mike" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Well I agree that it would have more affect to spray the ammonia in the
> Dog's Owner's eyes instead,
> > but because the riders life could have been in danger, there wasn't a
> whole lot of choice in the
> > matter.
> >
> > There are some bad Dogs in the world but there's a hell of a lot more bad
> Owners...
> >
> > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:22:52 -0500, Kevan Smith
> /\/\> wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:50:46 GMT, Michael > from AT&T
> Worldnet
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>In that case, the
> > >>a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled with ammonia that I carry came
> > >>in handy: one good, hard shot straight into that dog's eyes stopped it
> > >>cold.
> > >
> > >You should be reported for cruelty to animals. What if you had blinded
> the dog
> > >for life? A squirt bottle of water does the same thing just fine without
> the
> > >cruelty.
> >amonia cut with h2o is still kinda nasty. I think profesional trainers use
> vinegar+water. Was watching a nature show t'other day that talked bout grizzly
> bear spray. supposed to be good 15-20 ft, don't know where to buy or how $ .
> wish I'd been more help....charles

[Mark Jones]

"Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
...
> You exaggerate the threat of dogs to cyclists.
It depends on the dog. When I was about 8 years old, I was
chased by a larger than normal German Shepard. I rode
as fast as I could and was barely able to prevent it from
catching me. He didn't appear to be in a very good mood.

[[email protected]]

Mark Jones > wrote:
: "Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
: ...
:> You exaggerate the threat of dogs to cyclists.
: It depends on the dog. When I was about 8 years old, I was
: chased by a larger than normal German Shepard. I rode
: as fast as I could and was barely able to prevent it from
: catching me. He didn't appear to be in a very good mood.


I was also eight when I was chased by a hungry german shepard.
I rode as fast as I could but he still took a chunk you of my left cheek.
I still have the scar to this day, 42 years later.

Some dogs are just plain mean and nasty.

--------------------------------
Bob Masse'
--------------------------------

[Doug Purdy]

"MisNomer" > wrote in message
...
> An interesting thing happenned yesterday on my ride. We spotted someone
playing
> with their 2 dogs in the water, rode past them discussing how cute those 2
> mongrels were. Then, not 2 seconds later one of the dogs ran up beside me,
I
> slowed down, he / she passed me and then cut me off! The dog then ran
back to
> its master looking rath proud of himself ... (there I beat you!)

Dogs are almost as unpredictable as pedestrians!

I get the same kind of treatment from bunnies when I do a 50 mile inner Tour
de Toronto multiuse paths as a midnight ride. During the day they just run
away off the path, but from 3-5:00am these guys will relay race me. First
one will jump out of the bushes onto the path and race me for 10-15 meters,
a short while later another will take over, then another...

Doug

[bgaudet0801]

"Doug Purdy" > wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
> I get the same kind of treatment from bunnies when I do a 50 mile inner
Tour
> de Toronto multiuse paths as a midnight ride. During the day they just run
> away off the path, but from 3-5:00am these guys will relay race me. First
> one will jump out of the bushes onto the path and race me for 10-15
meters,
> a short while later another will take over, then another...

Same thing happened to me on Sunday though it was evening. I'd estimate
they were not quite adults. Mebbe a little from early spring?
I recall once I was riding pre-dawn and spotted on in the middle of a
lawn. Watching him I didn't notice the little bugger right next to the
street until he took off like a bat out of hell across the street..
I was startled but didn't crash or anything. I can imagine trying to
explain it if I had: 'The widdle bunny wabbit scared me!!'

[Gazoo]

sounds like he was trying to herd you :-)

--


"MisNomer" > wrote in message
...
> An interesting thing happenned yesterday on my ride. We spotted someone
playing
> with their 2 dogs in the water, rode past them discussing how cute those 2
> mongrels were. Then, not 2 seconds later one of the dogs ran up beside me,
I
> slowed down, he / she passed me and then cut me off! The dog then ran
back to
> its master looking rath proud of himself ... (there I beat you!)
>
> take care
> Liz
>

[Michael]

MisNomer wrote:
>
> An interesting thing happenned yesterday on my ride. We spotted someone playing
> with their 2 dogs in the water, rode past them discussing how cute those 2
> mongrels were. Then, not 2 seconds later one of the dogs ran up beside me, I
> slowed down, he / she passed me and then cut me off! The dog then ran back to
> its master looking rath proud of himself ... (there I beat you!)
>
> take care
> Liz
>

I truly love dogs - especialy golden retrievers - except when I am on a
bicycle. Even the smallest canine might as well be a load of
cinderblocks when it - or even part of it - gets into the works of a
bicycle. And there are also the dogs that will greet you nicley when
you're on foot but wax nasty when you're on a bicycle (there are two of
these in my neighborhood). All in all though, I have had no dog/bicycle
problem since I began carrying a squeeze bottle of ammonia.

Until last weekend. I was doing my morning ride on a nice, new, wide,
walk/jog/bike path - my cycling safe haven, only 1/2 mile from home -
when I approached a "soccer mom" and her leashed poodle from the rear.
Dog was evenly trotting along, to the lady's right. I moved to the far
left of the traffic-lane-wide "path" to give lady and dog wide berth,
and as I drew to within about 10 meters of even with lady/dog, the dog
suddenly bolted around the lady and straight to the left ... across my
path. So there I was, humping along at 18 MPH and thinking all was well
with the world, when a bright red nylon tape (leash) appeared before me,
stretched tight, a dog on one end and 110-pound woman on the other. Dog
wanted a rabbit; woman wanted her dog. I crossed the "finish line",
despite standing on the brake and dropping crotch to carrier rack, and
immediately became intimately acquainted with dog and mistress.

I slid through the grass on my face, messing up a perfectly good (though
smelly) t-shirt, but the lady got some good road burn. Dog looked like
he didn't feel well.

[Jeff]

"Michael" > wrote in message
...
> I truly love dogs - especialy golden retrievers - except when I am on a
> bicycle. Even the smallest canine might as well be a load of
> cinderblocks when it - or even part of it - gets into the works of a
> bicycle. And there are also the dogs that will greet you nicley when
> you're on foot but wax nasty when you're on a bicycle (there are two of
> these in my neighborhood). All in all though, I have had no dog/bicycle
> problem since I began carrying a squeeze bottle of ammonia.
>
> Until last weekend. I was doing my morning ride on a nice, new, wide,
> walk/jog/bike path - my cycling safe haven, only 1/2 mile from home -
> when I approached a "soccer mom" and her leashed poodle from the rear.
> Dog was evenly trotting along, to the lady's right. I moved to the far
> left of the traffic-lane-wide "path" to give lady and dog wide berth,
> and as I drew to within about 10 meters of even with lady/dog, the dog
> suddenly bolted around the lady and straight to the left ... across my
> path. So there I was, humping along at 18 MPH and thinking all was well
> with the world, when a bright red nylon tape (leash) appeared before me,
> stretched tight, a dog on one end and 110-pound woman on the other. Dog
> wanted a rabbit; woman wanted her dog. I crossed the "finish line",
> despite standing on the brake and dropping crotch to carrier rack, and
> immediately became intimately acquainted with dog and mistress.
>
> I slid through the grass on my face, messing up a perfectly good (though
> smelly) t-shirt, but the lady got some good road burn. Dog looked like
> he didn't feel well.

The only bike path near me is in a major park. The posted speed limit (!)
is 10KM (6MPH). I leave it to the people with dogs and kiddies and ride on
the roads in the park. There are plenty of times when traffic is light
enough that it's safer than the bike paths.

I love dogs and tolerate kids, but they're all too unpredictable to happily
cycle near them.

[Michael]

Jpfler wrote:
> Did you give a warning to your approach?
> To avoid a possible mishap on my rides when approching dog walkers I give a
> loud verbal sound in plenty of time before passing which causes them to pull in
> their pets closer to them. Hope you have no more accidents like this.
>
> Jim


I did not, and I meant to mention that major screw-up. Usually an "on
your left" is automatic but my autopilot was inop. that morning. Also I
was going too fast for existing conditions, i.e. I was not alone on the
path. Path is straight and flat with a good half mile visibility at any
given point. I saw the pooch and the woman but they did not register.
I was in la-la land and got what I deserved. Somewhat less, actually,
since the poor soccer mom was the one who bit the pavement.

[Paul Bielec]

The bike path I ride on is a bike path ONLY on most of its lenght.
People walking their dogs are bad. Especially those walking on one edge
having the dog running on the other side with the leash going straight
through...
But there is worse. Sometimes, the are people walking with their below 5 yo
kids!!! How brainless do you have to be?



"Michael" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> MisNomer wrote:
> >
> > An interesting thing happenned yesterday on my ride. We spotted someone
playing
> > with their 2 dogs in the water, rode past them discussing how cute those
2
> > mongrels were. Then, not 2 seconds later one of the dogs ran up beside
me, I
> > slowed down, he / she passed me and then cut me off! The dog then ran
back to
> > its master looking rath proud of himself ... (there I beat you!)
> >
> > take care
> > Liz
> >
>
> I truly love dogs - especialy golden retrievers - except when I am on a
> bicycle. Even the smallest canine might as well be a load of
> cinderblocks when it - or even part of it - gets into the works of a
> bicycle. And there are also the dogs that will greet you nicley when
> you're on foot but wax nasty when you're on a bicycle (there are two of
> these in my neighborhood). All in all though, I have had no dog/bicycle
> problem since I began carrying a squeeze bottle of ammonia.
>
> Until last weekend. I was doing my morning ride on a nice, new, wide,
> walk/jog/bike path - my cycling safe haven, only 1/2 mile from home -
> when I approached a "soccer mom" and her leashed poodle from the rear.
> Dog was evenly trotting along, to the lady's right. I moved to the far
> left of the traffic-lane-wide "path" to give lady and dog wide berth,
> and as I drew to within about 10 meters of even with lady/dog, the dog
> suddenly bolted around the lady and straight to the left ... across my
> path. So there I was, humping along at 18 MPH and thinking all was well
> with the world, when a bright red nylon tape (leash) appeared before me,
> stretched tight, a dog on one end and 110-pound woman on the other. Dog
> wanted a rabbit; woman wanted her dog. I crossed the "finish line",
> despite standing on the brake and dropping crotch to carrier rack, and
> immediately became intimately acquainted with dog and mistress.
>
> I slid through the grass on my face, messing up a perfectly good (though
> smelly) t-shirt, but the lady got some good road burn. Dog looked like
> he didn't feel well.

[Bernie]

Michael wrote:

> Jpfler wrote:
> > Did you give a warning to your approach?
> > To avoid a possible mishap on my rides when approching dog walkers I give a
> > loud verbal sound in plenty of time before passing which causes them to pull in
> > their pets closer to them. Hope you have no more accidents like this.
> >
> > Jim
>
> I did not, and I meant to mention that major screw-up. Usually an "on
> your left" is automatic but my autopilot was inop. that morning. Also I
> was going too fast for existing conditions, i.e. I was not alone on the
> path. Path is straight and flat with a good half mile visibility at any
> given point. I saw the pooch and the woman but they did not register.
> I was in la-la land and got what I deserved. Somewhat less, actually,
> since the poor soccer mom was the one who bit the pavement.

You can buy a very small and simple bell from your bike shop. Comes in basic black.
MEC calls theirs a "Merribell", whatever. Works like a charm. The gentle ringing
carries very well. Start dinging from a hundred yards/meters back, people on mixed
use paths are usually hip to what's up, will move to the right, and often thank you
for the warning that you are coming. Of course, the decent thing to do as well is to
slow down to a cautious pace as you pass.
Sorry you got into a mess! *stuff* happens.
Best regards, Bernie

[bgaudet0801]

"Bernie" > wrote in message
...
[...]
> You can buy a very small and simple bell from your bike shop. Comes in
basic black.
> MEC calls theirs a "Merribell", whatever. Works like a charm.

I have to disagree. People sometimes don't hear it or recognize it [elderly
or groups involved in discussion/activity]. And people who do recognize/hear
it can do the strangest things, like move tpo each side of the trail while a
third decides to dart to the other side at the last moment; Or call there to
there dogs who are far off the trail to cross in front of you; simply
scatter so you have no clear path or clear idea which direction they will go
in.

[can you tell I'm venting a bit?]

I have, use and reccomend a bell or similar signalling place but it's no
cure-all.

[Bernie]

bgaudet0801 wrote:

> "Bernie" > wrote in message
> ...
> [...]
> > You can buy a very small and simple bell from your bike shop. Comes in
> basic black.
> > MEC calls theirs a "Merribell", whatever. Works like a charm.
>
> I have to disagree. People sometimes don't hear it or recognize it [elderly
> or groups involved in discussion/activity]. And people who do recognize/hear
> it can do the strangest things, like move tpo each side of the trail while a
> third decides to dart to the other side at the last moment; Or call there to
> there dogs who are far off the trail to cross in front of you; simply
> scatter so you have no clear path or clear idea which direction they will go
> in.
>
> [can you tell I'm venting a bit?]
>
> I have, use and reccomend a bell or similar signalling place but it's no
> cure-all.

Even penecillin's not a cure all! The bell works pretty well though. It can be
rung loud or soft, fast staccatto or just a few dings.
Bell vs no bell and a yell? I'll take the bell thanks!
Bernie

[Johann S.]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:50:58 -0700, Bernie tapped this on a keyboard:


> Bell vs no bell and a yell? I'll take the bell thanks!
> Bernie

I don't yell, I don't bell, I just ride 'em down!


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[Boyd Speerschneider]

"Johann S." > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:50:58 -0700, Bernie tapped this on a keyboard:
>
>
>> Bell vs no bell and a yell? I'll take the bell thanks!
>> Bernie
>
> I don't yell, I don't bell, I just ride 'em down!
>
>

Spray then with your water bottle.