cross component recommendations, please

[Kyle Legate]

Hi, I'm considering buying my first cross bike so I can continue to ride
through the winter, and get in some trail riding for some variety. My local
dealer builds cross bikes from Alan frames (www.alan-bikeframes.com) but
before I buy one I'd appreciate any comments from people who have ridden
these cross frames. Also, I'd like some recommendations on which components
I should hang off this frame. I'm not planning to race cross for at least a
couple of years so I don't need high end components; durability is higher on
my list than light weight.

Thanks.

[Sheldon Brown]

Kyle Legate wrote:

> Hi, I'm considering buying my first cross bike so I can continue to ride
> through the winter, and get in some trail riding for some variety. My local
> dealer builds cross bikes from Alan frames (www.alan-bikeframes.com) but
> before I buy one I'd appreciate any comments from people who have ridden
> these cross frames. Also, I'd like some recommendations on which components
> I should hang off this frame. I'm not planning to race cross for at least a
> couple of years so I don't need high end components; durability is higher on
> my list than light weight.

If cyclocross competition was your only intent, one of these would
probably do nicely, but these are race-specific frames, not well suited
to the application you describe, mainly because theyr're not designed to
accept fenders.

Proper fenders make a HUGE difference in comfort and clenliness when you
ride in sloppy conditions, and it's idiotic to design a cyclocross frame
that won't accept them.

It doesn't make the bike a bit faster to omit fender and rack attachment
points, just makes it less useful in the name of fashion.

Consider something like the Surly Cross-Check instead, I think this
would be much more appropriate for the use you describe.

Sheldon "Versatility Is Good" Brown
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[Robert Chung]

Sheldon Brown wrote:
> Kyle Legate wrote:
>
>> (www.alan-bikeframes.com)
>
> If cyclocross competition was your only intent, one of these would
> probably do nicely, but these are race-specific frames, not well suited
> to the application you describe, mainly because theyr're not designed to
> accept fenders.
>
> Proper fenders make a HUGE difference in comfort and clenliness when you
> ride in sloppy conditions, and it's idiotic to design a cyclocross frame
> that won't accept them.
>
> It doesn't make the bike a bit faster to omit fender and rack attachment
> points, just makes it less useful in the name of fashion.

From the website:
"Upon request, bottle, rack and fender braze-ons are available without
extra charge."

[ari]

Kyle Legate wrote:

> Hi, I'm considering buying my first cross bike so I can continue to ride
> through the winter, and get in some trail riding for some variety. My local
> dealer builds cross bikes from Alan frames (www.alan-bikeframes.com) but
> before I buy one I'd appreciate any comments from people who have ridden
> these cross frames. Also, I'd like some recommendations on which components
> I should hang off this frame. I'm not planning to race cross for at least a
> couple of years so I don't need high end components; durability is higher on
> my list than light weight.
>
> Thanks.



if it were me looking for a cross bike with durability over weight, I
would skip the alan frames which are kind of weird (aluminum or carbon
tubes glued together with lugs), and look into cheap chinese titanium:

http://www.habcycles.com/cross.html

from here you would add campy ergo chorus 9 speed, a set of nice wheels,
a nice handlebar (like ritchey biomax) and call it a job well done.

[Zog The Undeniable]

Sheldon Brown wrote:

> If cyclocross competition was your only intent, one of these would
> probably do nicely, but these are race-specific frames, not well suited
> to the application you describe, mainly because theyr're not designed to
> accept fenders.
>
> Proper fenders make a HUGE difference in comfort and clenliness when you
> ride in sloppy conditions, and it's idiotic to design a cyclocross frame
> that won't accept them.

I know pro crossers get a fresh bike every lap, but wouldn't fenders (or
the British "mudguards", which seems a more appropriate term in this
context), cause terrible clogging problems?

I have memories of trying to ride a touring bike down a bridleway in my
youth and grinding to a halt after 100 yards because of mud accumulating
between the wheels and mudguards. The clearances weren't especially
close, but clay is evil stuff.

I'd not have a touring bike without fenders (a la Fuji) though!

[Sheldon Brown]

I wrote:
>
>> If cyclocross competition was your only intent, one of these would
>> probably do nicely, but these are race-specific frames, not well
>> suited to the application you describe, mainly because theyr're not
>> designed to accept fenders.
>> Proper fenders make a HUGE difference in comfort and clenliness when
>> you ride in sloppy conditions, and it's idiotic to design a cyclocross
>> frame that won't accept them.
>
Zog undeniably wrote:
>
> I know pro crossers get a fresh bike every lap, but wouldn't fenders (or
> the British "mudguards", which seems a more appropriate term in this
> context), cause terrible clogging problems?

I wasn't recommending them for cyclocross competition, but for general
winter riding.
>
> I have memories of trying to ride a touring bike down a bridleway in my
> youth and grinding to a halt after 100 yards because of mud accumulating
> between the wheels and mudguards. The clearances weren't especially
> close, but clay is evil stuff.

Clay is a special case. When I lived in France, I had this problem with
the old French Gnome-Rhone 650B machine I had rigged as a quasi-VTT. It
had alumin(i)um gardes boues and some of the trails I liked to ride were
a mixture of clay and 2000 years of accumulated horse manure, an
unbelievably cohesive sort of mud. I was once brought to a standstill
on a very steep descent by this during the rainy season.

Sheldon "Boue" Brown
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Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
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[Horse DeLay]

I like
- Time ATAC pedals: usually easier to clip in, and have a good
platform when you do have trouble.

- bar-end shifters: more reliable, lighter, less expensive if you
crash and break 'em

- 39-46 chainring combo and 12-28 cogset.

- tubular rims w/ tufos

- third eye chain guard

If you have to carry your bike across three or four times a lap,
lighter is better than heavier.

[Benjamin Weiner]

"Kyle Legate" > wrote:
> Hi, I'm considering buying my first cross bike so I can continue to ride
> through the winter, and get in some trail riding for some variety. My local
> dealer builds cross bikes from Alan frames (www.alan-bikeframes.com) but
> before I buy one I'd appreciate any comments from people who have ridden
> these cross frames. Also, I'd like some recommendations on which components
> I should hang off this frame. I'm not planning to race cross for at least a
> couple of years so I don't need high end components; durability is higher on
> my list than light weight.

Read Adam Myerson's articles on cross bike setup:

http://www.cycle-smart.com/coaching/articles.shtml
http://www.cycle-smart.com/coaching/articles/crossbike1.shtml

Make sure you get a bike that gives enough standover clearance
and at the same time allows you to get the bars up high enough -
you will probably want the bars higher than a road position.
Many cross frames have higher BBs than road bikes, which can make
both standover and higher bar position difficult to achieve. Watch
out for purist European-style cross frames that may have small tire
clearance, no bottle cage brazeons, etc.

Components - dunno, anything you don't mind getting mud in and
eventually replacing. You will probably want a crankset that
allows rings lower than 39. I like the Time ATAC pedals, SPDs
clog up.

Other cross necessities:
Cowbell
Beer
Duct tape

Ben
p.s. the duct tape is for your shoes, you filthy minded preverts.