New bike...smacked by a car...any advice appreciated

[SuperSlinky]

I got my new road bike from Gary Hobbs at GVH bikes Thursday. It is
(was) a beautiful burnished Cannondale Caad5 with full carbon fork,
Campy Centaur, and a high zoot Fizik Aliante saddle. Gary did a great
job of building the bike and getting it to me in time to enjoy the
weekend with it. It rode like a dream.

All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by a
car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was able
to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely. I was thrown to
the ground and so far I have only noticed a sore left elbow and very
slightly sore right knee. The bike didn't fare quite as well. She nailed
the fork and front wheel, possibly the frame and crank on the left side
as well. I fell over on the right side, and the visible damage amounts
to gouges on the pedals, rear derailleur, and saddle, and a bent front
rim.

After carrying it a mile back home, I see more ominous signs of trouble.
I knew he bars were out of line, but then I noticed the headset felt
loose. I reset the preload on the headset to something that felt snug
but not overly tight, and the headset still felt loose. I torqued down
the end cap way tighter than I have ever done and most of the slop went
away, but it seems there is still a tiny bit of slop if I lock the front
brake and rock the bike back and forth. The drivetrain is out of kilter
as well making lots of racket. I can try to adjust it later when I have
the time, but there is no doubt some damage to the derailleur or hangar.

The question is, what should I demand of the insurance company? Visibly
the bike looks almost as good as new, but they weren't made to be
broadsided by cars. The headset situation I find unacceptable and I
suspect a cracked fork or bent head tube. It was a brand new bike, but
now I don't completely trust its safety and certainly not its longevity.
The drivetrain doesn't make me happy either. I'm sure I would have
eventually bent the derailleur and got the various nicks on my own, but
in this case somebody else is liable. Should I demand a total loss and
replacement, or will I be f'ed over by the insurance company and be
stuck with a damaged bike?

[John Smith]

"SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
t...

> All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by a
> car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was able
> to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely. I was thrown to
> the ground and so far I have only noticed a sore left elbow and very
> slightly sore right knee. The bike didn't fare quite as well. She nailed
> the fork and front wheel, possibly the frame and crank on the left side
> as well. I fell over on the right side, and the visible damage amounts
> to gouges on the pedals, rear derailleur, and saddle, and a bent front
> rim.

Did she admit it? Did you file a police report? Do you own a car also
(and thus have your own insurance).


> The question is, what should I demand of the insurance company?

I would, at a minimum, insist on a new bicycle. You can make a cogent
claim as to why it is "totalled".


>isibly
> the bike looks almost as good as new, but they weren't made to be
> broadsided by cars. The headset situation I find unacceptable and I
> suspect a cracked fork or bent head tube. It was a brand new bike, but
> now I don't completely trust its safety and certainly not its longevity.
> The drivetrain doesn't make me happy either. I'm sure I would have
> eventually bent the derailleur and got the various nicks on my own, but
> in this case somebody else is liable. Should I demand a total loss and
> replacement, or will I be f'ed over by the insurance company and be
> stuck with a damaged bike?


Of course you do not have to take what they are offering and can sue. You
can also check out those injuries (in fact you SHOULD check out those
injuries) to make sure that it doesn't present future risks (such as
enhanced risk of arthritis at an earlier age) and, if I were you, I would
ask for a lot more than just the new biccyle. (Did any of the clothing get
taken out? If she admitted fault and/or you have a favorable police
report, they will have little to stand on... And frankly, if it is less
than 5 grand or so, the insurance company is more inclined to pay (if they
think you will fight) rather then litigate. They'll raise the rates of the
hitter and will soon come out fine.

[John Smith]

"SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
t...

> All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by a
> car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was able
> to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely. I was thrown to
> the ground and so far I have only noticed a sore left elbow and very
> slightly sore right knee. The bike didn't fare quite as well. She nailed
> the fork and front wheel, possibly the frame and crank on the left side
> as well. I fell over on the right side, and the visible damage amounts
> to gouges on the pedals, rear derailleur, and saddle, and a bent front
> rim.

Did she admit it? Did you file a police report? Do you own a car also
(and thus have your own insurance).


> The question is, what should I demand of the insurance company?

I would, at a minimum, insist on a new bicycle. You can make a cogent
claim as to why it is "totalled".


>isibly
> the bike looks almost as good as new, but they weren't made to be
> broadsided by cars. The headset situation I find unacceptable and I
> suspect a cracked fork or bent head tube. It was a brand new bike, but
> now I don't completely trust its safety and certainly not its longevity.
> The drivetrain doesn't make me happy either. I'm sure I would have
> eventually bent the derailleur and got the various nicks on my own, but
> in this case somebody else is liable. Should I demand a total loss and
> replacement, or will I be f'ed over by the insurance company and be
> stuck with a damaged bike?


Of course you do not have to take what they are offering and can sue. You
can also check out those injuries (in fact you SHOULD check out those
injuries) to make sure that it doesn't present future risks (such as
enhanced risk of arthritis at an earlier age) and, if I were you, I would
ask for a lot more than just the new biccyle. (Did any of the clothing get
taken out? If she admitted fault and/or you have a favorable police
report, they will have little to stand on... And frankly, if it is less
than 5 grand or so, the insurance company is more inclined to pay (if they
think you will fight) rather then litigate. They'll raise the rates of the
hitter and will soon come out fine.

[Ted John Kerry Kennedy]

Get a new bicycle, go riding , run your stop signs and red lights and get
smacked for good next time.

"John Smith" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
> t...
>
> > All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by a
> > car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was able
> > to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely. I was thrown to
> > the ground and so far I have only noticed a sore left elbow and very
> > slightly sore right knee. The bike didn't fare quite as well. She nailed
> > the fork and front wheel, possibly the frame and crank on the left side
> > as well. I fell over on the right side, and the visible damage amounts
> > to gouges on the pedals, rear derailleur, and saddle, and a bent front
> > rim.
>
> Did she admit it? Did you file a police report? Do you own a car also
> (and thus have your own insurance).
>
>
> > The question is, what should I demand of the insurance company?
>
> I would, at a minimum, insist on a new bicycle. You can make a cogent
> claim as to why it is "totalled".
>
>
> >isibly
> > the bike looks almost as good as new, but they weren't made to be
> > broadsided by cars. The headset situation I find unacceptable and I
> > suspect a cracked fork or bent head tube. It was a brand new bike, but
> > now I don't completely trust its safety and certainly not its longevity.
> > The drivetrain doesn't make me happy either. I'm sure I would have
> > eventually bent the derailleur and got the various nicks on my own, but
> > in this case somebody else is liable. Should I demand a total loss and
> > replacement, or will I be f'ed over by the insurance company and be
> > stuck with a damaged bike?
>
>
> Of course you do not have to take what they are offering and can sue. You
> can also check out those injuries (in fact you SHOULD check out those
> injuries) to make sure that it doesn't present future risks (such as
> enhanced risk of arthritis at an earlier age) and, if I were you, I would
> ask for a lot more than just the new biccyle. (Did any of the clothing
get
> taken out? If she admitted fault and/or you have a favorable police
> report, they will have little to stand on... And frankly, if it is less
> than 5 grand or so, the insurance company is more inclined to pay (if they
> think you will fight) rather then litigate. They'll raise the rates of
the
> hitter and will soon come out fine.
>
>

[Ted John Kerry Kennedy]

Get a new bicycle, go riding , run your stop signs and red lights and get
smacked for good next time.

"John Smith" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
> t...
>
> > All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by a
> > car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was able
> > to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely. I was thrown to
> > the ground and so far I have only noticed a sore left elbow and very
> > slightly sore right knee. The bike didn't fare quite as well. She nailed
> > the fork and front wheel, possibly the frame and crank on the left side
> > as well. I fell over on the right side, and the visible damage amounts
> > to gouges on the pedals, rear derailleur, and saddle, and a bent front
> > rim.
>
> Did she admit it? Did you file a police report? Do you own a car also
> (and thus have your own insurance).
>
>
> > The question is, what should I demand of the insurance company?
>
> I would, at a minimum, insist on a new bicycle. You can make a cogent
> claim as to why it is "totalled".
>
>
> >isibly
> > the bike looks almost as good as new, but they weren't made to be
> > broadsided by cars. The headset situation I find unacceptable and I
> > suspect a cracked fork or bent head tube. It was a brand new bike, but
> > now I don't completely trust its safety and certainly not its longevity.
> > The drivetrain doesn't make me happy either. I'm sure I would have
> > eventually bent the derailleur and got the various nicks on my own, but
> > in this case somebody else is liable. Should I demand a total loss and
> > replacement, or will I be f'ed over by the insurance company and be
> > stuck with a damaged bike?
>
>
> Of course you do not have to take what they are offering and can sue. You
> can also check out those injuries (in fact you SHOULD check out those
> injuries) to make sure that it doesn't present future risks (such as
> enhanced risk of arthritis at an earlier age) and, if I were you, I would
> ask for a lot more than just the new biccyle. (Did any of the clothing
get
> taken out? If she admitted fault and/or you have a favorable police
> report, they will have little to stand on... And frankly, if it is less
> than 5 grand or so, the insurance company is more inclined to pay (if they
> think you will fight) rather then litigate. They'll raise the rates of
the
> hitter and will soon come out fine.
>
>

[Robert Haston]

Hey retard, the CAR ran the red light!

BTW, traffic laws originated from the desire not to hurt or kill people.
Cyclists running red lights already face severe penalties, such as
quadriplegia. While red light running is dumb in its own right,
equivocating someone piloting 25 pounds of aluminum doing 20 versus 2500
kilos of steel doing 40 is just wrong.

But what would you know about cycling or driving, you just ride that short
bus around.

Sheesh!


"Ted John Kerry Kennedy" > wrote in message
...
> Get a new bicycle, go riding , run your stop signs and red lights and get
> smacked for good next time.
>
> "John Smith" > wrote in message
> m...
>>
>> "SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>
>> > All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by a
>> > car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was able
>> > to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely. I was thrown
>> > to
>> > the ground and so far I have only noticed a sore left elbow and very
>> > slightly sore right knee. The bike didn't fare quite as well. She
>> > nailed
>> > the fork and front wheel, possibly the frame and crank on the left side
>> > as well. I fell over on the right side, and the visible damage amounts
>> > to gouges on the pedals, rear derailleur, and saddle, and a bent front
>> > rim.
>>
>> Did she admit it? Did you file a police report? Do you own a car also
>> (and thus have your own insurance).
>>
>>
>> > The question is, what should I demand of the insurance company?
>>
>> I would, at a minimum, insist on a new bicycle. You can make a cogent
>> claim as to why it is "totalled".
>>
>>
>> >isibly
>> > the bike looks almost as good as new, but they weren't made to be
>> > broadsided by cars. The headset situation I find unacceptable and I
>> > suspect a cracked fork or bent head tube. It was a brand new bike, but
>> > now I don't completely trust its safety and certainly not its
>> > longevity.
>> > The drivetrain doesn't make me happy either. I'm sure I would have
>> > eventually bent the derailleur and got the various nicks on my own, but
>> > in this case somebody else is liable. Should I demand a total loss and
>> > replacement, or will I be f'ed over by the insurance company and be
>> > stuck with a damaged bike?
>>
>>
>> Of course you do not have to take what they are offering and can sue.
>> You
>> can also check out those injuries (in fact you SHOULD check out those
>> injuries) to make sure that it doesn't present future risks (such as
>> enhanced risk of arthritis at an earlier age) and, if I were you, I would
>> ask for a lot more than just the new biccyle. (Did any of the clothing
> get
>> taken out? If she admitted fault and/or you have a favorable police
>> report, they will have little to stand on... And frankly, if it is less
>> than 5 grand or so, the insurance company is more inclined to pay (if
>> they
>> think you will fight) rather then litigate. They'll raise the rates of
> the
>> hitter and will soon come out fine.
>>
>>
>
>

[Robert Haston]

Hey retard, the CAR ran the red light!

BTW, traffic laws originated from the desire not to hurt or kill people.
Cyclists running red lights already face severe penalties, such as
quadriplegia. While red light running is dumb in its own right,
equivocating someone piloting 25 pounds of aluminum doing 20 versus 2500
kilos of steel doing 40 is just wrong.

But what would you know about cycling or driving, you just ride that short
bus around.

Sheesh!


"Ted John Kerry Kennedy" > wrote in message
...
> Get a new bicycle, go riding , run your stop signs and red lights and get
> smacked for good next time.
>
> "John Smith" > wrote in message
> m...
>>
>> "SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>
>> > All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by a
>> > car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was able
>> > to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely. I was thrown
>> > to
>> > the ground and so far I have only noticed a sore left elbow and very
>> > slightly sore right knee. The bike didn't fare quite as well. She
>> > nailed
>> > the fork and front wheel, possibly the frame and crank on the left side
>> > as well. I fell over on the right side, and the visible damage amounts
>> > to gouges on the pedals, rear derailleur, and saddle, and a bent front
>> > rim.
>>
>> Did she admit it? Did you file a police report? Do you own a car also
>> (and thus have your own insurance).
>>
>>
>> > The question is, what should I demand of the insurance company?
>>
>> I would, at a minimum, insist on a new bicycle. You can make a cogent
>> claim as to why it is "totalled".
>>
>>
>> >isibly
>> > the bike looks almost as good as new, but they weren't made to be
>> > broadsided by cars. The headset situation I find unacceptable and I
>> > suspect a cracked fork or bent head tube. It was a brand new bike, but
>> > now I don't completely trust its safety and certainly not its
>> > longevity.
>> > The drivetrain doesn't make me happy either. I'm sure I would have
>> > eventually bent the derailleur and got the various nicks on my own, but
>> > in this case somebody else is liable. Should I demand a total loss and
>> > replacement, or will I be f'ed over by the insurance company and be
>> > stuck with a damaged bike?
>>
>>
>> Of course you do not have to take what they are offering and can sue.
>> You
>> can also check out those injuries (in fact you SHOULD check out those
>> injuries) to make sure that it doesn't present future risks (such as
>> enhanced risk of arthritis at an earlier age) and, if I were you, I would
>> ask for a lot more than just the new biccyle. (Did any of the clothing
> get
>> taken out? If she admitted fault and/or you have a favorable police
>> report, they will have little to stand on... And frankly, if it is less
>> than 5 grand or so, the insurance company is more inclined to pay (if
>> they
>> think you will fight) rather then litigate. They'll raise the rates of
> the
>> hitter and will soon come out fine.
>>
>>
>
>

[SuperSlinky]

Robert Haston said...

> Hey retard, the CAR ran the red light!
>
> BTW, traffic laws originated from the desire not to hurt or kill people.
> Cyclists running red lights already face severe penalties, such as
> quadriplegia. While red light running is dumb in its own right,
> equivocating someone piloting 25 pounds of aluminum doing 20 versus 2500
> kilos of steel doing 40 is just wrong.
>
> But what would you know about cycling or driving, you just ride that short
> bus around.
>
> Sheesh!

I was going to reply to this genius, but I figured it would just give
him and the other mongoloids gathered around his computer another chance
to giggle. Have pity on him. Just think what it must be like going
through life dumb as a rock.

[SuperSlinky]

Robert Haston said...

> Hey retard, the CAR ran the red light!
>
> BTW, traffic laws originated from the desire not to hurt or kill people.
> Cyclists running red lights already face severe penalties, such as
> quadriplegia. While red light running is dumb in its own right,
> equivocating someone piloting 25 pounds of aluminum doing 20 versus 2500
> kilos of steel doing 40 is just wrong.
>
> But what would you know about cycling or driving, you just ride that short
> bus around.
>
> Sheesh!

I was going to reply to this genius, but I figured it would just give
him and the other mongoloids gathered around his computer another chance
to giggle. Have pity on him. Just think what it must be like going
through life dumb as a rock.

[Andrew Szafran]

Ted John Kerry Kennedy > wrote:
> Get a new bicycle, go riding , run your stop signs and red lights and get
> smacked for good next time.

Troll. Plonk.

Honestly, as a red-blooded American conservative, I'd advise the biker to
carry a large katana in a conspicuous place. People (cagers) tend to be
much more careful around people who they know can easily kill them/slash
the brand-new leather upholstery of their cages.

*grin*
-Andrew

* 1960s Raleigh 3-speed
* DiBlasi folding bike
* Motobecane 12-speed road bike (in pieces in the garage)

* Honda Nighthawk 550

* Volvo 240DL - for when a cage *is* really needed

[Andrew Szafran]

Ted John Kerry Kennedy > wrote:
> Get a new bicycle, go riding , run your stop signs and red lights and get
> smacked for good next time.

Troll. Plonk.

Honestly, as a red-blooded American conservative, I'd advise the biker to
carry a large katana in a conspicuous place. People (cagers) tend to be
much more careful around people who they know can easily kill them/slash
the brand-new leather upholstery of their cages.

*grin*
-Andrew

* 1960s Raleigh 3-speed
* DiBlasi folding bike
* Motobecane 12-speed road bike (in pieces in the garage)

* Honda Nighthawk 550

* Volvo 240DL - for when a cage *is* really needed

[Colin B.]

At an absolute minimum, get the bike inspected by the shop you bought
it from and demand compensation for damages to your bike and your
injuries. Also get your injuries checked out. Also, if you were
wearing a helmet and it hit the ground, get it replaced.

Keep us posted on the outcome.

Colin

"SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
t...
> I got my new road bike from Gary Hobbs at GVH bikes Thursday. It is
> (was) a beautiful burnished Cannondale Caad5 with full carbon fork,
> Campy Centaur, and a high zoot Fizik Aliante saddle. Gary did a
great
> job of building the bike and getting it to me in time to enjoy the
> weekend with it. It rode like a dream.
>
> All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by
a
> car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was
able
> to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely. I was
thrown to
> the ground and so far I have only noticed a sore left elbow and very
> slightly sore right knee. The bike didn't fare quite as well. She
nailed
> the fork and front wheel, possibly the frame and crank on the left
side
> as well. I fell over on the right side, and the visible damage
amounts
> to gouges on the pedals, rear derailleur, and saddle, and a bent
front
> rim.
>
> After carrying it a mile back home, I see more ominous signs of
trouble.
> I knew he bars were out of line, but then I noticed the headset felt
> loose. I reset the preload on the headset to something that felt
snug
> but not overly tight, and the headset still felt loose. I torqued
down
> the end cap way tighter than I have ever done and most of the slop
went
> away, but it seems there is still a tiny bit of slop if I lock the
front
> brake and rock the bike back and forth. The drivetrain is out of
kilter
> as well making lots of racket. I can try to adjust it later when I
have
> the time, but there is no doubt some damage to the derailleur or
hangar.
>
> The question is, what should I demand of the insurance company?
Visibly
> the bike looks almost as good as new, but they weren't made to be
> broadsided by cars. The headset situation I find unacceptable and I
> suspect a cracked fork or bent head tube. It was a brand new bike,
but
> now I don't completely trust its safety and certainly not its
longevity.
> The drivetrain doesn't make me happy either. I'm sure I would have
> eventually bent the derailleur and got the various nicks on my own,
but
> in this case somebody else is liable. Should I demand a total loss
and
> replacement, or will I be f'ed over by the insurance company and be
> stuck with a damaged bike?

[Colin B.]

At an absolute minimum, get the bike inspected by the shop you bought
it from and demand compensation for damages to your bike and your
injuries. Also get your injuries checked out. Also, if you were
wearing a helmet and it hit the ground, get it replaced.

Keep us posted on the outcome.

Colin

"SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
t...
> I got my new road bike from Gary Hobbs at GVH bikes Thursday. It is
> (was) a beautiful burnished Cannondale Caad5 with full carbon fork,
> Campy Centaur, and a high zoot Fizik Aliante saddle. Gary did a
great
> job of building the bike and getting it to me in time to enjoy the
> weekend with it. It rode like a dream.
>
> All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by
a
> car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was
able
> to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely. I was
thrown to
> the ground and so far I have only noticed a sore left elbow and very
> slightly sore right knee. The bike didn't fare quite as well. She
nailed
> the fork and front wheel, possibly the frame and crank on the left
side
> as well. I fell over on the right side, and the visible damage
amounts
> to gouges on the pedals, rear derailleur, and saddle, and a bent
front
> rim.
>
> After carrying it a mile back home, I see more ominous signs of
trouble.
> I knew he bars were out of line, but then I noticed the headset felt
> loose. I reset the preload on the headset to something that felt
snug
> but not overly tight, and the headset still felt loose. I torqued
down
> the end cap way tighter than I have ever done and most of the slop
went
> away, but it seems there is still a tiny bit of slop if I lock the
front
> brake and rock the bike back and forth. The drivetrain is out of
kilter
> as well making lots of racket. I can try to adjust it later when I
have
> the time, but there is no doubt some damage to the derailleur or
hangar.
>
> The question is, what should I demand of the insurance company?
Visibly
> the bike looks almost as good as new, but they weren't made to be
> broadsided by cars. The headset situation I find unacceptable and I
> suspect a cracked fork or bent head tube. It was a brand new bike,
but
> now I don't completely trust its safety and certainly not its
longevity.
> The drivetrain doesn't make me happy either. I'm sure I would have
> eventually bent the derailleur and got the various nicks on my own,
but
> in this case somebody else is liable. Should I demand a total loss
and
> replacement, or will I be f'ed over by the insurance company and be
> stuck with a damaged bike?

[S Curtiss]

"SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
t...
> I got my new road bike from Gary Hobbs at GVH bikes Thursday. It is
> (was) a beautiful burnished Cannondale Caad5 with full carbon fork,
> Campy Centaur, and a high zoot Fizik Aliante saddle. Gary did a great
> job of building the bike and getting it to me in time to enjoy the
> weekend with it. It rode like a dream.
>
> All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by a
> car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was able
> to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely.

clipped

Since your bike came from GVH (online), get it to a shop that sells
Cannondales for an inspection. Charge the insurance company for the charge
from the shop, shipping, assembly, pain & suffering, lunch, dinner and a
trip to France for the '05 TDF. Don't forget the spending cash. You might as
well make a play for the woman's car, she obviously doesn't know how to
drive.

[S Curtiss]

"SuperSlinky" > wrote in message
t...
> I got my new road bike from Gary Hobbs at GVH bikes Thursday. It is
> (was) a beautiful burnished Cannondale Caad5 with full carbon fork,
> Campy Centaur, and a high zoot Fizik Aliante saddle. Gary did a great
> job of building the bike and getting it to me in time to enjoy the
> weekend with it. It rode like a dream.
>
> All was good, until this morning commuting to work I was t-boned by a
> car running a red light. Fortunately, the young female driver was able
> to slow down enough to avoid running me over completely.

clipped

Since your bike came from GVH (online), get it to a shop that sells
Cannondales for an inspection. Charge the insurance company for the charge
from the shop, shipping, assembly, pain & suffering, lunch, dinner and a
trip to France for the '05 TDF. Don't forget the spending cash. You might as
well make a play for the woman's car, she obviously doesn't know how to
drive.

[Claire Petersky]

"Andrew Szafran" > wrote in message
...

> Honestly, as a red-blooded American conservative, I'd advise the biker to
> carry a large katana in a conspicuous place.

What about a wakizashi instead? A katana is just too long to be easily
carried on the bike.


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[Claire Petersky]

"Andrew Szafran" > wrote in message
...

> Honestly, as a red-blooded American conservative, I'd advise the biker to
> carry a large katana in a conspicuous place.

What about a wakizashi instead? A katana is just too long to be easily
carried on the bike.


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[Mitch Haley]

Claire Petersky wrote:
>
> "Andrew Szafran" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Honestly, as a red-blooded American conservative, I'd advise the biker to
> > carry a large katana in a conspicuous place.
>
> What about a wakizashi instead? A katana is just too long to be easily
> carried on the bike.

Too easy to be accused of carrying a concealed weapon.
Wear the katana across your back, they'll get the idea.
What's the big katana called, dai-katana? ;-)
For visual effect, a sheathed bokken would probably suffice.
Mitch.

[Mitch Haley]

Claire Petersky wrote:
>
> "Andrew Szafran" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Honestly, as a red-blooded American conservative, I'd advise the biker to
> > carry a large katana in a conspicuous place.
>
> What about a wakizashi instead? A katana is just too long to be easily
> carried on the bike.

Too easy to be accused of carrying a concealed weapon.
Wear the katana across your back, they'll get the idea.
What's the big katana called, dai-katana? ;-)
For visual effect, a sheathed bokken would probably suffice.
Mitch.

[Flaps]

> Too easy to be accused of carrying a concealed weapon.
> Wear the katana across your back, they'll get the idea.
> What's the big katana called, dai-katana? ;-)
> For visual effect, a sheathed bokken would probably suffice.
> Mitch.

Or how about a full-length Indonesian machete mounted on your bike?
have a look at techtip 16 for how to mount it:
http://www.wildasia.net/main/article.cfm?articleID=97

flaps.

[Flaps]

> Too easy to be accused of carrying a concealed weapon.
> Wear the katana across your back, they'll get the idea.
> What's the big katana called, dai-katana? ;-)
> For visual effect, a sheathed bokken would probably suffice.
> Mitch.

Or how about a full-length Indonesian machete mounted on your bike?
have a look at techtip 16 for how to mount it:
http://www.wildasia.net/main/article.cfm?articleID=97

flaps.

[Claire Petersky]

"Flaps" > wrote in message
...

> Or how about a full-length Indonesian machete mounted on your bike?
> have a look at techtip 16 for how to mount it:
> http://www.wildasia.net/main/article.cfm?articleID=97

Well, that sounds better than mounting it on your top tube, which was what I
was visualizing.


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[Claire Petersky]

"Flaps" > wrote in message
...

> Or how about a full-length Indonesian machete mounted on your bike?
> have a look at techtip 16 for how to mount it:
> http://www.wildasia.net/main/article.cfm?articleID=97

Well, that sounds better than mounting it on your top tube, which was what I
was visualizing.


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[Bill Z.]

"Flaps" > writes:

> > Too easy to be accused of carrying a concealed weapon.
> > Wear the katana across your back, they'll get the idea.
> > What's the big katana called, dai-katana? ;-)
> > For visual effect, a sheathed bokken would probably suffice.
> > Mitch.
>
> Or how about a full-length Indonesian machete mounted on your bike?
> have a look at techtip 16 for how to mount it:
> http://www.wildasia.net/main/article.cfm?articleID=97

Order a Swiss Army Bike. They have an elite bicycle corps, and
the bikes come complete with machine-gun mounts (or some sort
of way of mounting a weapon considerably larger than a pistol.)

It seems that in certain types of terrain, they can move men and
supplies on the ground faster by bicycle than by any other means,
plus you can hide the bicycles in barns and other places when not
actually moving.

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[Bill Z.]

"Flaps" > writes:

> > Too easy to be accused of carrying a concealed weapon.
> > Wear the katana across your back, they'll get the idea.
> > What's the big katana called, dai-katana? ;-)
> > For visual effect, a sheathed bokken would probably suffice.
> > Mitch.
>
> Or how about a full-length Indonesian machete mounted on your bike?
> have a look at techtip 16 for how to mount it:
> http://www.wildasia.net/main/article.cfm?articleID=97

Order a Swiss Army Bike. They have an elite bicycle corps, and
the bikes come complete with machine-gun mounts (or some sort
of way of mounting a weapon considerably larger than a pistol.)

It seems that in certain types of terrain, they can move men and
supplies on the ground faster by bicycle than by any other means,
plus you can hide the bicycles in barns and other places when not
actually moving.

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