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The_SkunkMan
August 21st 04, 09:59 PM
I'm new to trials and was wondering if there is anything that can help
me with it? I also need someplace to hop on. The only things I have to
jump on are 2 steps and 2 blocks of wood. I don't think i'm gonna be
making any obstacle because i'm only 11. And what hand do you hold the
seat with and do you get blisters from holding the seat?


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streetrider
August 21st 04, 10:21 PM
hold the seat with what ever you feel comfotable with and as far as
obstacles go just ride around untill you find some good ones. And you
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streetrider
August 21st 04, 10:21 PM
hold the seat with what ever you feel comfotable with and as far as
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streetrider
August 21st 04, 10:21 PM
hold the seat with what ever you feel comfotable with and as far as
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streetrider
August 21st 04, 10:21 PM
hold the seat with what ever you feel comfotable with and as far as
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The_SkunkMan
August 21st 04, 10:49 PM
Where can I get some good glove's


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The_SkunkMan
August 21st 04, 10:49 PM
Where can I get some good glove's


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The_SkunkMan
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Where can I get some good glove's


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The_SkunkMan
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Where can I get some good glove's


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Tmornstar
August 21st 04, 11:06 PM
Any light, thin gloves will work but try not to grip the handle too
tightly. Relax. Relax. Relax.

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Tmornstar
August 21st 04, 11:06 PM
Any light, thin gloves will work but try not to grip the handle too
tightly. Relax. Relax. Relax.

Tommy


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Tmornstar
August 21st 04, 11:06 PM
Any light, thin gloves will work but try not to grip the handle too
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Tmornstar
August 21st 04, 11:06 PM
Any light, thin gloves will work but try not to grip the handle too
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Tommy


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andrew_carter
August 22nd 04, 12:41 AM
Firstly, being 11 shouldn't stop you from building obstacles. Power
tools aren't a neccessity, they just save you lots of time and effort.
I built my first sandwich board without powertools and it's fine.

Maybe it would be worth looking through the trials section of
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andrew_carter
August 22nd 04, 12:41 AM
Firstly, being 11 shouldn't stop you from building obstacles. Power
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I built my first sandwich board without powertools and it's fine.

Maybe it would be worth looking through the trials section of
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andrew_carter
August 22nd 04, 12:41 AM
Firstly, being 11 shouldn't stop you from building obstacles. Power
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I built my first sandwich board without powertools and it's fine.

Maybe it would be worth looking through the trials section of
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andrew_carter
August 22nd 04, 12:41 AM
Firstly, being 11 shouldn't stop you from building obstacles. Power
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I built my first sandwich board without powertools and it's fine.

Maybe it would be worth looking through the trials section of
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muniracer
August 22nd 04, 01:26 AM
even with gloves if you spend more than a couple hours riding you will
feel blisters beginning to form. any LBS will sell mtb gloves, which
work great for uniing. personally, i have stopped wearing gloves, and
my hands do blister some, but not much.

keep practing on the wood and steps you have until you feel confident
with your hopping. try holding the seat on the side, out in front of
you also. this will help you to hop higher in the future.

when hopping, practice stillstanding between hops. rather than just
constantly bouncing up and down, try pausing for a second between each
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muniracer
August 22nd 04, 01:26 AM
even with gloves if you spend more than a couple hours riding you will
feel blisters beginning to form. any LBS will sell mtb gloves, which
work great for uniing. personally, i have stopped wearing gloves, and
my hands do blister some, but not much.

keep practing on the wood and steps you have until you feel confident
with your hopping. try holding the seat on the side, out in front of
you also. this will help you to hop higher in the future.

when hopping, practice stillstanding between hops. rather than just
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muniracer
August 22nd 04, 01:26 AM
even with gloves if you spend more than a couple hours riding you will
feel blisters beginning to form. any LBS will sell mtb gloves, which
work great for uniing. personally, i have stopped wearing gloves, and
my hands do blister some, but not much.

keep practing on the wood and steps you have until you feel confident
with your hopping. try holding the seat on the side, out in front of
you also. this will help you to hop higher in the future.

when hopping, practice stillstanding between hops. rather than just
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muniracer
August 22nd 04, 01:26 AM
even with gloves if you spend more than a couple hours riding you will
feel blisters beginning to form. any LBS will sell mtb gloves, which
work great for uniing. personally, i have stopped wearing gloves, and
my hands do blister some, but not much.

keep practing on the wood and steps you have until you feel confident
with your hopping. try holding the seat on the side, out in front of
you also. this will help you to hop higher in the future.

when hopping, practice stillstanding between hops. rather than just
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The_SkunkMan
August 22nd 04, 02:42 AM
that ww.unicycle.2ya.com is a great help. I'll look into making
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The_SkunkMan
August 22nd 04, 02:42 AM
that ww.unicycle.2ya.com is a great help. I'll look into making
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The_SkunkMan
August 22nd 04, 02:42 AM
that ww.unicycle.2ya.com is a great help. I'll look into making
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The_SkunkMan
August 22nd 04, 02:42 AM
that ww.unicycle.2ya.com is a great help. I'll look into making
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johnglazer
August 22nd 04, 04:05 AM
You can buy wood at a Home Depot, Lowes, or other place like that. If
you go around to some worksites or stores, you can probably get some
pallets or scrap wood for free. They dont have to look all that pretty,
as long as they dont break. Trip and I made some of the trashiest
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August 22nd 04, 04:05 AM
You can buy wood at a Home Depot, Lowes, or other place like that. If
you go around to some worksites or stores, you can probably get some
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johnglazer
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You can buy wood at a Home Depot, Lowes, or other place like that. If
you go around to some worksites or stores, you can probably get some
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You can buy wood at a Home Depot, Lowes, or other place like that. If
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August 22nd 04, 06:25 AM
> where do i get supplies?
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Robbie
August 22nd 04, 02:49 PM
I'm not sure if I just have a bad glove, but I get blisters through it.
It's just an old sailing glove lying around the house that I picked up.
It's not full fingered, but I got them through the material anyway. I
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Robbie
August 22nd 04, 02:49 PM
I'm not sure if I just have a bad glove, but I get blisters through it.
It's just an old sailing glove lying around the house that I picked up.
It's not full fingered, but I got them through the material anyway. I
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August 22nd 04, 02:49 PM
I'm not sure if I just have a bad glove, but I get blisters through it.
It's just an old sailing glove lying around the house that I picked up.
It's not full fingered, but I got them through the material anyway. I
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August 22nd 04, 02:49 PM
I'm not sure if I just have a bad glove, but I get blisters through it.
It's just an old sailing glove lying around the house that I picked up.
It's not full fingered, but I got them through the material anyway. I
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vivalargo
August 22nd 04, 05:55 PM
Read old posts on hopping. Must be fifty of them, most all with good
info.

Go to a market or feedstore or paint joint and nab some palates--usually
free, but ask to make sure. Because you'll eventually start busting the
1 X 3 ribs on these, cover one palate with a thin layer of plywood--runs
about five bucks, and screw it in place. That's your top palate when
hoping.

Takes a few days to learn how to hop in place and get some little
stillstand. Then start hoping onto the palate(s). One is the first
week; two is beginning level; three is intermediate; four (basically 20
inches) is advanced. Anything over five palates and you're nearing ace
status.

Once you can consistantly nail 20 inches, you're good for a ton of
street stuff, since all benches et al are 20 inches or a little less.


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vivalargo
August 22nd 04, 05:55 PM
Read old posts on hopping. Must be fifty of them, most all with good
info.

Go to a market or feedstore or paint joint and nab some palates--usually
free, but ask to make sure. Because you'll eventually start busting the
1 X 3 ribs on these, cover one palate with a thin layer of plywood--runs
about five bucks, and screw it in place. That's your top palate when
hoping.

Takes a few days to learn how to hop in place and get some little
stillstand. Then start hoping onto the palate(s). One is the first
week; two is beginning level; three is intermediate; four (basically 20
inches) is advanced. Anything over five palates and you're nearing ace
status.

Once you can consistantly nail 20 inches, you're good for a ton of
street stuff, since all benches et al are 20 inches or a little less.


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vivalargo
August 22nd 04, 05:55 PM
Read old posts on hopping. Must be fifty of them, most all with good
info.

Go to a market or feedstore or paint joint and nab some palates--usually
free, but ask to make sure. Because you'll eventually start busting the
1 X 3 ribs on these, cover one palate with a thin layer of plywood--runs
about five bucks, and screw it in place. That's your top palate when
hoping.

Takes a few days to learn how to hop in place and get some little
stillstand. Then start hoping onto the palate(s). One is the first
week; two is beginning level; three is intermediate; four (basically 20
inches) is advanced. Anything over five palates and you're nearing ace
status.

Once you can consistantly nail 20 inches, you're good for a ton of
street stuff, since all benches et al are 20 inches or a little less.


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vivalargo
August 22nd 04, 05:55 PM
Read old posts on hopping. Must be fifty of them, most all with good
info.

Go to a market or feedstore or paint joint and nab some palates--usually
free, but ask to make sure. Because you'll eventually start busting the
1 X 3 ribs on these, cover one palate with a thin layer of plywood--runs
about five bucks, and screw it in place. That's your top palate when
hoping.

Takes a few days to learn how to hop in place and get some little
stillstand. Then start hoping onto the palate(s). One is the first
week; two is beginning level; three is intermediate; four (basically 20
inches) is advanced. Anything over five palates and you're nearing ace
status.

Once you can consistantly nail 20 inches, you're good for a ton of
street stuff, since all benches et al are 20 inches or a little less.


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The_SkunkMan
August 22nd 04, 11:34 PM
I was helping my dad with the garden when I went to get something I saw
enough wooden planks to build plenty of obstacle and a pallet. And I
found some old cycling gloves. I'll be building some obstacles soon.
I found this site with some stuff that looks like some trials stuff at
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August 22nd 04, 11:34 PM
I was helping my dad with the garden when I went to get something I saw
enough wooden planks to build plenty of obstacle and a pallet. And I
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August 22nd 04, 11:34 PM
I was helping my dad with the garden when I went to get something I saw
enough wooden planks to build plenty of obstacle and a pallet. And I
found some old cycling gloves. I'll be building some obstacles soon.
I found this site with some stuff that looks like some trials stuff at
http://www.pallet-mall.com/ just in case you want some
What are gapping bars for?


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August 22nd 04, 11:34 PM
I was helping my dad with the garden when I went to get something I saw
enough wooden planks to build plenty of obstacle and a pallet. And I
found some old cycling gloves. I'll be building some obstacles soon.
I found this site with some stuff that looks like some trials stuff at
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gerblefranklin
August 22nd 04, 11:58 PM
Gapping bars are for practicing gaps between bars. You should be able to
consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
about gapping bars. If you want to see a video of some gapping bars in
action, click on the link to my gallery in my sig line, and then click
on "trials video clips" (might be a bit different name, I forgot). Once
there, click on any video with "gapping bars" in it. There are two
videos of no-sucess (1 bail and one equip failure), and 1 or two of some
successful gaps.

Don't build your entire trials course oujt of palletes. That's no good.
At first, as you build up your hop and stuff, palletes are fine, but
once you can do about 2' consistently, it's time to start putting some
precise stuff in. Most trials courses are boring to me, as they're all
just a series of big moves with huge surfaces to rest on in between.
Good trials courses should only give you one or two chances to rest in
the course of a long trials line. Most of the lines I build don't have
any large surfaces to take a break on at all. Just a little thing to
think about.

Also, when designing a course, try to make everything modular. YOu have
to build stuff a bit more robustly, but it makes making interesting
trials lines much easier.


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August 22nd 04, 11:58 PM
Gapping bars are for practicing gaps between bars. You should be able to
consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
about gapping bars. If you want to see a video of some gapping bars in
action, click on the link to my gallery in my sig line, and then click
on "trials video clips" (might be a bit different name, I forgot). Once
there, click on any video with "gapping bars" in it. There are two
videos of no-sucess (1 bail and one equip failure), and 1 or two of some
successful gaps.

Don't build your entire trials course oujt of palletes. That's no good.
At first, as you build up your hop and stuff, palletes are fine, but
once you can do about 2' consistently, it's time to start putting some
precise stuff in. Most trials courses are boring to me, as they're all
just a series of big moves with huge surfaces to rest on in between.
Good trials courses should only give you one or two chances to rest in
the course of a long trials line. Most of the lines I build don't have
any large surfaces to take a break on at all. Just a little thing to
think about.

Also, when designing a course, try to make everything modular. YOu have
to build stuff a bit more robustly, but it makes making interesting
trials lines much easier.


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August 22nd 04, 11:58 PM
Gapping bars are for practicing gaps between bars. You should be able to
consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
about gapping bars. If you want to see a video of some gapping bars in
action, click on the link to my gallery in my sig line, and then click
on "trials video clips" (might be a bit different name, I forgot). Once
there, click on any video with "gapping bars" in it. There are two
videos of no-sucess (1 bail and one equip failure), and 1 or two of some
successful gaps.

Don't build your entire trials course oujt of palletes. That's no good.
At first, as you build up your hop and stuff, palletes are fine, but
once you can do about 2' consistently, it's time to start putting some
precise stuff in. Most trials courses are boring to me, as they're all
just a series of big moves with huge surfaces to rest on in between.
Good trials courses should only give you one or two chances to rest in
the course of a long trials line. Most of the lines I build don't have
any large surfaces to take a break on at all. Just a little thing to
think about.

Also, when designing a course, try to make everything modular. YOu have
to build stuff a bit more robustly, but it makes making interesting
trials lines much easier.


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August 22nd 04, 11:58 PM
Gapping bars are for practicing gaps between bars. You should be able to
consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
about gapping bars. If you want to see a video of some gapping bars in
action, click on the link to my gallery in my sig line, and then click
on "trials video clips" (might be a bit different name, I forgot). Once
there, click on any video with "gapping bars" in it. There are two
videos of no-sucess (1 bail and one equip failure), and 1 or two of some
successful gaps.

Don't build your entire trials course oujt of palletes. That's no good.
At first, as you build up your hop and stuff, palletes are fine, but
once you can do about 2' consistently, it's time to start putting some
precise stuff in. Most trials courses are boring to me, as they're all
just a series of big moves with huge surfaces to rest on in between.
Good trials courses should only give you one or two chances to rest in
the course of a long trials line. Most of the lines I build don't have
any large surfaces to take a break on at all. Just a little thing to
think about.

Also, when designing a course, try to make everything modular. YOu have
to build stuff a bit more robustly, but it makes making interesting
trials lines much easier.


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August 23rd 04, 12:44 AM
Check out this:
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Klaas Bil
August 23rd 04, 06:42 AM
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:58:27 -0500, "gerblefranklin" wrote:

>You should be able to
>consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
>about gapping bars.

Why? Gapping between bars is more about precision than about distance.

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Klaas Bil
August 23rd 04, 06:42 AM
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:58:27 -0500, "gerblefranklin" wrote:

>You should be able to
>consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
>about gapping bars.

Why? Gapping between bars is more about precision than about distance.

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Klaas Bil
August 23rd 04, 06:42 AM
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:58:27 -0500, "gerblefranklin" wrote:

>You should be able to
>consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
>about gapping bars.

Why? Gapping between bars is more about precision than about distance.

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Klaas Bil
August 23rd 04, 06:42 AM
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:58:27 -0500, "gerblefranklin" wrote:

>You should be able to
>consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
>about gapping bars.

Why? Gapping between bars is more about precision than about distance.

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andrew_carter
August 23rd 04, 07:19 AM
> Don't build your entire trials course oujt of palletes. That's no
> good. At first, as you build up your hop and stuff, palletes are fine,
> but once you can do about 2' consistently, it's time to start putting
> some precise stuff in. Most trials courses are boring to me, as
> they're all just a series of big moves with huge surfaces to rest on
> in between. Good trials courses should only give you one or two
> chances to rest in the course of a long trials line. Most of the lines
> I build don't have any large surfaces to take a break on at all. Just
> a little thing to think about.
Good to hear, I share the same approach to trials riding. :) I think
it's more fun this way. I chose to go onto more technical stuff when I
could consistently hop about 30cm high rather than 2'.

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> Don't build your entire trials course oujt of palletes. That's no
> good. At first, as you build up your hop and stuff, palletes are fine,
> but once you can do about 2' consistently, it's time to start putting
> some precise stuff in. Most trials courses are boring to me, as
> they're all just a series of big moves with huge surfaces to rest on
> in between. Good trials courses should only give you one or two
> chances to rest in the course of a long trials line. Most of the lines
> I build don't have any large surfaces to take a break on at all. Just
> a little thing to think about.
Good to hear, I share the same approach to trials riding. :) I think
it's more fun this way. I chose to go onto more technical stuff when I
could consistently hop about 30cm high rather than 2'.

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> Don't build your entire trials course oujt of palletes. That's no
> good. At first, as you build up your hop and stuff, palletes are fine,
> but once you can do about 2' consistently, it's time to start putting
> some precise stuff in. Most trials courses are boring to me, as
> they're all just a series of big moves with huge surfaces to rest on
> in between. Good trials courses should only give you one or two
> chances to rest in the course of a long trials line. Most of the lines
> I build don't have any large surfaces to take a break on at all. Just
> a little thing to think about.
Good to hear, I share the same approach to trials riding. :) I think
it's more fun this way. I chose to go onto more technical stuff when I
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> Don't build your entire trials course oujt of palletes. That's no
> good. At first, as you build up your hop and stuff, palletes are fine,
> but once you can do about 2' consistently, it's time to start putting
> some precise stuff in. Most trials courses are boring to me, as
> they're all just a series of big moves with huge surfaces to rest on
> in between. Good trials courses should only give you one or two
> chances to rest in the course of a long trials line. Most of the lines
> I build don't have any large surfaces to take a break on at all. Just
> a little thing to think about.
Good to hear, I share the same approach to trials riding. :) I think
it's more fun this way. I chose to go onto more technical stuff when I
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muniracer
August 23rd 04, 06:21 PM
also, while constructing a long trials line with combined moves can be
good practice, it is perhaps more important to build small lines that
can be changed around easily. the idea of a trials park is to improve
your skills so that when you find a real line you can apply these skills
directly. but nevertheless, building a long line that takes a lot of
time to perfect can be much more fun than shorter, more technical
lines.

pallets can be a lot of fun if you play around with them. rather than
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August 23rd 04, 06:21 PM
also, while constructing a long trials line with combined moves can be
good practice, it is perhaps more important to build small lines that
can be changed around easily. the idea of a trials park is to improve
your skills so that when you find a real line you can apply these skills
directly. but nevertheless, building a long line that takes a lot of
time to perfect can be much more fun than shorter, more technical
lines.

pallets can be a lot of fun if you play around with them. rather than
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August 23rd 04, 06:21 PM
also, while constructing a long trials line with combined moves can be
good practice, it is perhaps more important to build small lines that
can be changed around easily. the idea of a trials park is to improve
your skills so that when you find a real line you can apply these skills
directly. but nevertheless, building a long line that takes a lot of
time to perfect can be much more fun than shorter, more technical
lines.

pallets can be a lot of fun if you play around with them. rather than
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August 23rd 04, 06:21 PM
also, while constructing a long trials line with combined moves can be
good practice, it is perhaps more important to build small lines that
can be changed around easily. the idea of a trials park is to improve
your skills so that when you find a real line you can apply these skills
directly. but nevertheless, building a long line that takes a lot of
time to perfect can be much more fun than shorter, more technical
lines.

pallets can be a lot of fun if you play around with them. rather than
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August 24th 04, 01:44 AM
> the idea of a trials park is to improve your skills so that when you
> find a real line you can apply these skills directly.
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> the idea of a trials park is to improve your skills so that when you
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August 24th 04, 01:45 AM
Klaas Bil wrote:
> *On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:58:27 -0500, "gerblefranklin" wrote:
>
> >You should be able to
> >consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
> >about gapping bars.
>
> Why? Gapping between bars is more about precision than about
> distance.
>
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Yes, gapping bars are about precision, so yes, you can work on gapping
bars even while you can only gap about 50cm, it just won't be that
productive. Basically, from my experience, most gaps done on gapping
bars and their kin are done so that the gap is a front static gap. Front
static gaps are the hardest gaps to learn and get any power on (of
course that's only my opinion). I myself wasn't able to do a reasonable
front static gap until I could already sidegap about 1.2m. Basically, I
think that although most interesting trials is built around precision in
reasonbly large, but not huge moves, one should have some degree of size
to the basic moves before procceeding to make them precise. What's the
use of the ability to only gap 12" onto a 6x8, but not 18" to the top of
a pallete?

Andrew: Correct, you don't have to wait until 2', that was rather
arbitrary. Again though, a decent sized sidehop and static gap is vital
to most trials, even if these are only around 18" and 40", respectively.
Also, I think that any average person, with enough practice, can bring
their sidehop to at least 2', so I figured that number wasn't bad.

Trip: I also keep most of my lines short, with only around 2-4 main
moves and 1-2 skinnies. I like your point about learning to get moves
down so you can do them away from your course. It's one thing to land a
move in your secluded backyard, it's another entirely to land it at a
competition.


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gerblefranklin
August 24th 04, 01:45 AM
Klaas Bil wrote:
> *On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:58:27 -0500, "gerblefranklin" wrote:
>
> >You should be able to
> >consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
> >about gapping bars.
>
> Why? Gapping between bars is more about precision than about
> distance.
>
> Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
> --
> "The more you think, the less you have to do. - Leo Vandewoestijne"
>
> *


Yes, gapping bars are about precision, so yes, you can work on gapping
bars even while you can only gap about 50cm, it just won't be that
productive. Basically, from my experience, most gaps done on gapping
bars and their kin are done so that the gap is a front static gap. Front
static gaps are the hardest gaps to learn and get any power on (of
course that's only my opinion). I myself wasn't able to do a reasonable
front static gap until I could already sidegap about 1.2m. Basically, I
think that although most interesting trials is built around precision in
reasonbly large, but not huge moves, one should have some degree of size
to the basic moves before procceeding to make them precise. What's the
use of the ability to only gap 12" onto a 6x8, but not 18" to the top of
a pallete?

Andrew: Correct, you don't have to wait until 2', that was rather
arbitrary. Again though, a decent sized sidehop and static gap is vital
to most trials, even if these are only around 18" and 40", respectively.
Also, I think that any average person, with enough practice, can bring
their sidehop to at least 2', so I figured that number wasn't bad.

Trip: I also keep most of my lines short, with only around 2-4 main
moves and 1-2 skinnies. I like your point about learning to get moves
down so you can do them away from your course. It's one thing to land a
move in your secluded backyard, it's another entirely to land it at a
competition.


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out?

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gerblefranklin
August 24th 04, 01:45 AM
Klaas Bil wrote:
> *On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:58:27 -0500, "gerblefranklin" wrote:
>
> >You should be able to
> >consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
> >about gapping bars.
>
> Why? Gapping between bars is more about precision than about
> distance.
>
> Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
> --
> "The more you think, the less you have to do. - Leo Vandewoestijne"
>
> *


Yes, gapping bars are about precision, so yes, you can work on gapping
bars even while you can only gap about 50cm, it just won't be that
productive. Basically, from my experience, most gaps done on gapping
bars and their kin are done so that the gap is a front static gap. Front
static gaps are the hardest gaps to learn and get any power on (of
course that's only my opinion). I myself wasn't able to do a reasonable
front static gap until I could already sidegap about 1.2m. Basically, I
think that although most interesting trials is built around precision in
reasonbly large, but not huge moves, one should have some degree of size
to the basic moves before procceeding to make them precise. What's the
use of the ability to only gap 12" onto a 6x8, but not 18" to the top of
a pallete?

Andrew: Correct, you don't have to wait until 2', that was rather
arbitrary. Again though, a decent sized sidehop and static gap is vital
to most trials, even if these are only around 18" and 40", respectively.
Also, I think that any average person, with enough practice, can bring
their sidehop to at least 2', so I figured that number wasn't bad.

Trip: I also keep most of my lines short, with only around 2-4 main
moves and 1-2 skinnies. I like your point about learning to get moves
down so you can do them away from your course. It's one thing to land a
move in your secluded backyard, it's another entirely to land it at a
competition.


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out?

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gerblefranklin
August 24th 04, 01:45 AM
Klaas Bil wrote:
> *On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:58:27 -0500, "gerblefranklin" wrote:
>
> >You should be able to
> >consistently static gap over 1 meter before you start to even think
> >about gapping bars.
>
> Why? Gapping between bars is more about precision than about
> distance.
>
> Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
> --
> "The more you think, the less you have to do. - Leo Vandewoestijne"
>
> *


Yes, gapping bars are about precision, so yes, you can work on gapping
bars even while you can only gap about 50cm, it just won't be that
productive. Basically, from my experience, most gaps done on gapping
bars and their kin are done so that the gap is a front static gap. Front
static gaps are the hardest gaps to learn and get any power on (of
course that's only my opinion). I myself wasn't able to do a reasonable
front static gap until I could already sidegap about 1.2m. Basically, I
think that although most interesting trials is built around precision in
reasonbly large, but not huge moves, one should have some degree of size
to the basic moves before procceeding to make them precise. What's the
use of the ability to only gap 12" onto a 6x8, but not 18" to the top of
a pallete?

Andrew: Correct, you don't have to wait until 2', that was rather
arbitrary. Again though, a decent sized sidehop and static gap is vital
to most trials, even if these are only around 18" and 40", respectively.
Also, I think that any average person, with enough practice, can bring
their sidehop to at least 2', so I figured that number wasn't bad.

Trip: I also keep most of my lines short, with only around 2-4 main
moves and 1-2 skinnies. I like your point about learning to get moves
down so you can do them away from your course. It's one thing to land a
move in your secluded backyard, it's another entirely to land it at a
competition.


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army can get you a Medal, while playing with one can get you thrown
out?

http://gallery.unicyclist.com/Trials-Muni

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andrew_carter
August 24th 04, 04:39 AM
> It's one thing to land a move in your secluded backyard, it's another
> entirely to land it at a competition.
I realise this is off topic and I'm sorry but...

They don't seem to have any natural trials lines at unicycle trials
competitions. Is this true (I've only seen photos), and does anybody
else particularly like natural trials and think it should be included in
comps? I love all the unexpected angles you get to play with on rocks
and the fact that there are so many subtle modifications of set lines
you can make to better suit your style, etc. All the bike trials comps
I've done have had lots of natural trials lines and the last comp was
all natural (and horribly slippery) which was lots of fun!

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andrew_carter
August 24th 04, 04:39 AM
> It's one thing to land a move in your secluded backyard, it's another
> entirely to land it at a competition.
I realise this is off topic and I'm sorry but...

They don't seem to have any natural trials lines at unicycle trials
competitions. Is this true (I've only seen photos), and does anybody
else particularly like natural trials and think it should be included in
comps? I love all the unexpected angles you get to play with on rocks
and the fact that there are so many subtle modifications of set lines
you can make to better suit your style, etc. All the bike trials comps
I've done have had lots of natural trials lines and the last comp was
all natural (and horribly slippery) which was lots of fun!

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August 24th 04, 04:39 AM
> It's one thing to land a move in your secluded backyard, it's another
> entirely to land it at a competition.
I realise this is off topic and I'm sorry but...

They don't seem to have any natural trials lines at unicycle trials
competitions. Is this true (I've only seen photos), and does anybody
else particularly like natural trials and think it should be included in
comps? I love all the unexpected angles you get to play with on rocks
and the fact that there are so many subtle modifications of set lines
you can make to better suit your style, etc. All the bike trials comps
I've done have had lots of natural trials lines and the last comp was
all natural (and horribly slippery) which was lots of fun!

Andrew


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August 24th 04, 04:39 AM
> It's one thing to land a move in your secluded backyard, it's another
> entirely to land it at a competition.
I realise this is off topic and I'm sorry but...

They don't seem to have any natural trials lines at unicycle trials
competitions. Is this true (I've only seen photos), and does anybody
else particularly like natural trials and think it should be included in
comps? I love all the unexpected angles you get to play with on rocks
and the fact that there are so many subtle modifications of set lines
you can make to better suit your style, etc. All the bike trials comps
I've done have had lots of natural trials lines and the last comp was
all natural (and horribly slippery) which was lots of fun!

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gerblefranklin
August 24th 04, 06:22 AM
I can think of multiple simple reasons why natural trials aren't common
at uni trials comps. First of all, they lack all skinnies, which most
riders don't like (me being an exception). Also, rocks are heavy,
expensive, and hard to obtain and transport, let alone setup. That makes
setting them up for a small comp logistically unfeasible. The final
reason is that rocks are hard to categorize in the U system. That would
make scoring much harder.


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gerblefranklin
August 24th 04, 06:22 AM
I can think of multiple simple reasons why natural trials aren't common
at uni trials comps. First of all, they lack all skinnies, which most
riders don't like (me being an exception). Also, rocks are heavy,
expensive, and hard to obtain and transport, let alone setup. That makes
setting them up for a small comp logistically unfeasible. The final
reason is that rocks are hard to categorize in the U system. That would
make scoring much harder.


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August 24th 04, 06:22 AM
I can think of multiple simple reasons why natural trials aren't common
at uni trials comps. First of all, they lack all skinnies, which most
riders don't like (me being an exception). Also, rocks are heavy,
expensive, and hard to obtain and transport, let alone setup. That makes
setting them up for a small comp logistically unfeasible. The final
reason is that rocks are hard to categorize in the U system. That would
make scoring much harder.


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August 24th 04, 06:22 AM
I can think of multiple simple reasons why natural trials aren't common
at uni trials comps. First of all, they lack all skinnies, which most
riders don't like (me being an exception). Also, rocks are heavy,
expensive, and hard to obtain and transport, let alone setup. That makes
setting them up for a small comp logistically unfeasible. The final
reason is that rocks are hard to categorize in the U system. That would
make scoring much harder.


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andrew_carter
August 24th 04, 08:31 AM
Yeah, I haven't really read about the U system, but instead of
transporting the trials course it's very easy to set up lines in creek
beds and other places (at least it is in Australia). And there's no
reason why you can't add skinnies and other man made elements to a
natural course.

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August 24th 04, 08:31 AM
Yeah, I haven't really read about the U system, but instead of
transporting the trials course it's very easy to set up lines in creek
beds and other places (at least it is in Australia). And there's no
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natural course.

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Yeah, I haven't really read about the U system, but instead of
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natural course.

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Yeah, I haven't really read about the U system, but instead of
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TonyMelton
August 25th 04, 12:18 AM
gerblefranklin - Andrew's point about natural trials is just that -
using naturally occurring objects as the course. Yes this means you
can't (easily) have natural trials indoors, but we shouldn't limit
unicycle trials to only man-made objects.

Of the biketrials competitions that I've entered three have been
outdoors and one indoors. It seems to me that far less effort on the
part of the organisers is required to set up natural sections. All you
need to do is to find an interesting non-flat bit of land and mark out
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August 25th 04, 12:18 AM
gerblefranklin - Andrew's point about natural trials is just that -
using naturally occurring objects as the course. Yes this means you
can't (easily) have natural trials indoors, but we shouldn't limit
unicycle trials to only man-made objects.

Of the biketrials competitions that I've entered three have been
outdoors and one indoors. It seems to me that far less effort on the
part of the organisers is required to set up natural sections. All you
need to do is to find an interesting non-flat bit of land and mark out
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August 25th 04, 12:18 AM
gerblefranklin - Andrew's point about natural trials is just that -
using naturally occurring objects as the course. Yes this means you
can't (easily) have natural trials indoors, but we shouldn't limit
unicycle trials to only man-made objects.

Of the biketrials competitions that I've entered three have been
outdoors and one indoors. It seems to me that far less effort on the
part of the organisers is required to set up natural sections. All you
need to do is to find an interesting non-flat bit of land and mark out
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August 25th 04, 12:18 AM
gerblefranklin - Andrew's point about natural trials is just that -
using naturally occurring objects as the course. Yes this means you
can't (easily) have natural trials indoors, but we shouldn't limit
unicycle trials to only man-made objects.

Of the biketrials competitions that I've entered three have been
outdoors and one indoors. It seems to me that far less effort on the
part of the organisers is required to set up natural sections. All you
need to do is to find an interesting non-flat bit of land and mark out
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