Hamilton: One tough S.O.B !

[OMC]

Tyler showed what a tough guy he really is ! Simply amazing !
Attacking Lance and the rest of the lead group. WOW !!! Just how good
would he be at 100 % ?

OMC

[Nick Burns]

"OMC" > wrote in message
om...
> Tyler showed what a tough guy he really is ! Simply amazing !
> Attacking Lance and the rest of the lead group. WOW !!! Just how good
> would he be at 100 % ?
>
> OMC

Did you see the video? I have not but it sounds like he put in a decent
attack or two while Lance rode defensively.

[Dave]

"Nick Burns" > wrote in message
...
>
> "OMC" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Tyler showed what a tough guy he really is ! Simply amazing !
> > Attacking Lance and the rest of the lead group. WOW !!! Just how good
> > would he be at 100 % ?
> >
> > OMC
>
> Did you see the video? I have not but it sounds like he put in a decent
> attack or two while Lance rode defensively.
>
From what I read on Cyclingnews.com, Tyler can only attack in the saddle. His broken C-Bone is
keeping him from standing. I am sure he could put in some more vicious attacks if he could get out
of the saddle
Dave

[sindbad]

> When they weren't
> attacking, they were on Lance's wheel. Lance set the tempo.
>

Beloki set the tempo just as much as Armstrong.

[Tom Kunich]

Tough yes, but if he is never able to race at 100% it doesn't matter
how tough he is because it will never show in the results.

"OMC" > wrote in message
om...
> Tyler showed what a tough guy he really is ! Simply amazing !
> Attacking Lance and the rest of the lead group. WOW !!! Just how
good
> would he be at 100 % ?
>
> OMC

[Todd Kuzma]

Keith wrote:
>>It turned out that only a few could stay with him. He
>>responded to attacks from Beloki and Hamilton but not Mayo
>>or Vino. It looked like he tried a few seated accelerations
>>but couldn't shake Beloki or Hamilton. When they weren't
>>attacking, they were on Lance's wheel. Lance set the tempo.
>
> I watched it live on French TV and it seems we didn't see the same
> thing...in between the times Heras was leading, Beloki did most of the
> climb in front, with Lance happy to follow and then sprint at the end.

I watched the Dutch TV feed on my computer. It was hard to
follow at times, but I saw Lance up there most of the time
after Heras got burned off the back and before he caught
back up. The only time that I saw Beloki on the front was
for a short bit after he was reeled in from an attack.

In any case, no big attack from Armstrong but think of the
guys who couldn't hold his wheel. Today's stage wasn't as
dominant as some in the past, but he still has the yellow
jersey. He has been pretty good at keeping it.

Todd Kuzma

[Jeff Jones]

"Jan T Andresen" > wrote in message
...
> Just seen an "interview" with Tylor on Norwegian television. The poor lad
> was so tired that he cried after finishing...
>
He said his collarbone felt like it was coming apart when he got out of the
saddle. ow. ow. ow.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour.php?id=road/2003/tour03/results/stage8

Also Armstrong said that Beltran went too hard at the bottom of the climb.

Jeff

[Svend P.]

Just saw CSC team leader Bjarne Riis interviewed (Danish TV): With the
broadest and brightest wall-to-wall smile he praised Hamilton (like he have
done every other day in the Tour) and emphazised the spirit and guts of this
wonderful rider.
Carlos Sastre (also in a cheerful mood) called him a Robocop ...

Let's all take one day at a time though - he gave it everything today. He
was tired to death when he got off the bike. Maybe he'll have to pay a hard
price tomorrow.

What if ..... he hadn't had that damned accident on the very first stage?

Svend



"Jan T Andresen" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> Just seen an "interview" with Tylor on Norwegian television. The poor lad
> was so tired that he cried after finishing...
>
> "OMC" > skrev i melding
> om...
> > Tyler showed what a tough guy he really is ! Simply amazing !
> > Attacking Lance and the rest of the lead group. WOW !!! Just how good
> > would he be at 100 % ?
> >
> > OMC
>
>

[Todd Kuzma]

Jeff Jones wrote:

> He said his collarbone felt like it was coming apart when he got out of the
> saddle. ow. ow. ow.

Years ago when I broke my collarbone, I had a pretty severe
separation. I could feel the bones moving around all the
time, but after the first couple days, the pain was not that
bad. I wonder how that compares to a fracture with no
separation. Maybe the stress of holding the bone together
makes it worse.

Todd Kuzma

[Nick Burns]

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nick Burns" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "OMC" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > Tyler showed what a tough guy he really is ! Simply amazing !
> > > Attacking Lance and the rest of the lead group. WOW !!! Just how good
> > > would he be at 100 % ?
> > >
> > > OMC
> >
> > Did you see the video? I have not but it sounds like he put in a decent
> > attack or two while Lance rode defensively.
> >
> From what I read on Cyclingnews.com, Tyler can only attack in the saddle.
His broken C-Bone is
> keeping him from standing. I am sure he could put in some more vicious
attacks if he could get out
> of the saddle
> Dave

I was on my ride today thinking about Tyler. I have had broken bones before
and even races once with a healing broken ankle. I know from experience that
injuries to the torso can be worse than injuries below the knee. Anything
between the shoulders and the knees can make it nearly impossible to develop
any power. Anyway, what I was thinking about was what it must have been like
coming off the Galibier with that broken collarbone. That must have been
pure hell! Imagine a harsh stop. In his condition, I can think of a hundred
things that have to be worse than climbing.

[David N. Welton]

Boyd Speerschneider > writes:

> NEWS FLASH!!! He had a broken collarbone in last year's Giro also.

Sure, but he was chasing when he crashed.... he got dumped up the
hill. On RAI, they are saying it was his shoulder last year too.
Which was it?

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[sindbad]

"Boyd Speerschneider" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> (David N. Welton) wrote in
> :
>
> > "Dave" > writes:
> >
> >> From what I read on Cyclingnews.com, Tyler can only attack in the
> >> saddle. His broken C-Bone is keeping him from standing. I am sure he
> >> could put in some more vicious attacks if he could get out of the
> >> saddle
> >
> > Yeah, he would try and stand, but you could tell he just couldn't %100
> > into it.
> >
> > That said, I've never seen him as that strong an attacker up the
> > hills. He rode very well in last year's Giro, but to my recollection,
> > never pulled off any really big attacks.
> >
>
> NEWS FLASH!!! He had a broken collarbone in last year's Giro also.

Actually a broken shoulder....but anyway...

[Poul Erik]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:00:24 GMT, "Dave" >
wrote:

> From what I read on Cyclingnews.com, Tyler can only attack in the saddle. His broken C-Bone is
>keeping him from standing. I am sure he could put in some more vicious attacks if he could get out
>of the saddle
>Dave
>
The collarbone is not completly broken, but is a chip "knocked" off.
I'm not sure about that term in english.

Poul Erik

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[Nick Burns]

"Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
e...
>
> "Jan T Andresen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Just seen an "interview" with Tylor on Norwegian television. The poor
lad
> > was so tired that he cried after finishing...
> >
> He said his collarbone felt like it was coming apart when he got out of
the
> saddle. ow. ow. ow.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour.php?id=road/2003/tour03/results/stage8
>
> Also Armstrong said that Beltran went too hard at the bottom of the climb.
>
> Jeff

Imagine the conflicting motivations; your best season ever, you are well
placed in GC in the best form of your life in a "break royal" and your bones
are SCREAMING in pain.

[Nick Burns]

"Todd Kuzma" > wrote in message
...
> Jeff Jones wrote:
>
> > He said his collarbone felt like it was coming apart when he got out of
the
> > saddle. ow. ow. ow.
>
> Years ago when I broke my collarbone, I had a pretty severe
> separation. I could feel the bones moving around all the
> time, but after the first couple days, the pain was not that
> bad. I wonder how that compares to a fracture with no
> separation. Maybe the stress of holding the bone together
> makes it worse.
>
> Todd Kuzma

I have ridden with broken bones but not my collarbone. The one time I broke
my collarbone I also had a few broken ribs. I could barely breathe without
wincing in pain and that was with a lot of pain meds.

[Keith]

>> I watched it live on French TV and it seems we didn't see the same
>> thing...in between the times Heras was leading, Beloki did most of the
>> climb in front, with Lance happy to follow and then sprint at the end.
>
>I watched the Dutch TV feed on my computer. It was hard to
>follow at times, but I saw Lance up there most of the time
>after Heras got burned off the back and before he caught
>back up. The only time that I saw Beloki on the front was
>for a short bit after he was reeled in from an attack.

Nah, I watched it again tonight (I taped the whole climb) and Beloki
did most of the tempo in front after Heras got dropped the second
time. As a result a lot of people in France are saying Beloki wouldn't
have behaved differently if he had been a USP rider, but I won't get
into that...although it certainly would have made more sense for him
to let Armstrong do all the work.

>In any case, no big attack from Armstrong but think of the
>guys who couldn't hold his wheel. Today's stage wasn't as
>dominant as some in the past, but he still has the yellow
>jersey. He has been pretty good at keeping it.

Right, like I said it's the "standard" approach by a GC contender,
control in the mountains and crush them in the TT. That's how Hinault
and Indurain won 10 tours between them. Armstrong smashing the field
both in the mountains and in the ITT's was the "anomaly" that has kept
the TdF "specialists" guessing over the past 4 years...

>
>Todd Kuzma

[Morten Reippuert Knudsen]

On Sun. d. 13 Jul. 2003 kl. 20:51 GMT, David wrote:

>> NEWS FLASH!!! He had a broken collarbone in last year's Giro also.
>
> Sure, but he was chasing when he crashed.... he got dumped up the
> hill. On RAI, they are saying it was his shoulder last year too.
> Which was it?

Giro prolouge 2002: bruses and a bend rib - keeps riding
Giro 5. stage 2002: broken shoulder blade - keeps rinding
Autum 2002: broken colarbone - ends his season
TDF 1. stage 2003: broken colarbone (the other) - keeps riding

btw. he damaged 11 teth endurring the pain in 2002 Giro, perhaps the
scariest part was the dentist vissit ;-)

He's one tough littele sucker, and i'll be looking foward to this weeks
TT, where i think he will beat Amstrong and perhaps even win it (depends
on how damaged Ulrich and Bottero are). Guess he chose the rigth path
when he left USP for Riis.

One of the most interesting things of todays climb was that the 3
"new-commers": Mayo, Vino and Hamlton who was the only ones to attack
Armstrong and Beloki, where the ones who domminated the spring as well:

Vino: Paris-Nice, Amstel, Tour de Swizz
Mayo: Baske, Liege-Bastonge-Liege, Dauphini Libre
Hamilton: Paris-Nice, Baske, Liege-Bastonge-Liege, Tour de Romadie

The only ones with similar outstanding performances this year are
Betini, Perez, Van Petegem, Petacchi and Simoni. I think it the first
time in years we see top contenders who has been riding that fast all
season.

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[Lantern Rouge]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:49:57 +0000, Steven L. Sheffield wrote:

> On 7/13/03 2:43 PM, in article ,
> "Boyd Speerschneider" > wrote:
>
>> NEWS FLASH!!! He had a broken collarbone in last year's Giro also.
>
> Nope ... He had a broken scapula ... Which isn't weight-bearing like the
> clavicle.

It ain't a clavicle.

It's a clavicule.

Ya don't believe me?

Just ask Phil Liggett

[Marlene Blanshay]

In article >,
(OMC) wrote:

> Tyler showed what a tough guy he really is ! Simply amazing !
> Attacking Lance and the rest of the lead group. WOW !!! Just how good
> would he be at 100 % ?
>
> OMC

The guy's a psycho. I can't believe it. They ought to give him the
distinguished cycling cross!

[Mark Wolfe]

I've broken my collar bone (same one) twice now, most recently was a year
ago. I didn't get back on the bike for a couple weeks, and could barely get
out of bed without screaming for the first couple days. Tyler has a
double fracture, it's been a week, the pain must of subsided some. I
figured he was out after the crash like everyone else, and couldn't believe
his performance today.

Todd Kuzma wrote:

> Jeff Jones wrote:
>
>> He said his collarbone felt like it was coming apart when he got out of
the
>> saddle. ow. ow. ow.
>
> Years ago when I broke my collarbone, I had a pretty severe
> separation. I could feel the bones moving around all the
> time, but after the first couple days, the pain was not that
> bad. I wonder how that compares to a fracture with no
> separation. Maybe the stress of holding the bone together
> makes it worse.
>
> Todd Kuzma

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[Precious Pup]

Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Tough yes, but if he is never able to race at 100% it doesn't matter
> how tough he is because it will never show in the results.

Koach,

Is currently being in 5th place "not showing" in the results?

Pup

[Kurgan Gringioni]

"Precious Pup" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > Tough yes, but if he is never able to race at 100% it doesn't matter
> > how tough he is because it will never show in the results.
>
> Koach,
>
> Is currently being in 5th place "not showing" in the results?



Tyler is a very long shot to win.

He can TT better than Mayo and Vino, but not as well as Ullrich.

He climbs a little worse than Mayo and Vino.


Vino, Mayo, Ullrich and Tyler are all threats to LANCE. This next week will
be fascinating - perhaps the best TdF in 15 or more years.

[vemrd?]

For someone how thrives on pain, he probably wouldn't be better!
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:22:09 GMT, "Ken Papai" >
wrote:

>
>"Olde Mann Crd" ...
>> Tyler showed what a tough guy he really is ! Simply amazing !
>> Attacking Lance and the rest of the lead group. WOW !!! Just how good
>> would he be at 100 % ?
>
>Good enough to be in yellow now?
>>
>> OMC
>