Crash!!!

[Erik van Leeuwen]

Crash Beloki, Armstrong Crosscountry. gosh! Beloki out I guess.
Vino wins?

[Runamukluks]

What a shame for Beloki!!

[Erik van Leeuwen]

Igor GdG crashing in Germany, Beloki in Gap.. what a drama for ONCE.
Armstrong avoiding a crash was brilliant, going cross country never seen
before. Tyler asked Lance if he was okay.
Beloki looks bad, teammates are with him.
Vino wins. Bettini wins sprint for 2nd place.
What a dramatic day.

Erik

"Erik van Leeuwen" > wrote in message
...
> Crash Beloki, Armstrong Crosscountry. gosh! Beloki out I guess.
> Vino wins?
>
>

[Lantern Rouge]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:52:43 +0000, Runamukluks wrote:

> What a shame for Beloki!!

Yes, agreed. What a sour note to go out on....

[David N. Welton]

Yep, they are hauling Beloki away in the ambulance. A real pity:-(

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[Erik van Leeuwen]

Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he
looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent.
Braking too late and slipping left and right.
Lance has mountainbike experience?


"Lantern Rouge" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:52:43 +0000, Runamukluks wrote:
>
> > What a shame for Beloki!!
>
> Yes, agreed. What a sour note to go out on....
>

[Peter Stone]

"Runamukluks" > wrote in message
...
> What a shame for Beloki!!

I was thinking this is probably the best tour I've ever seen on TV. Then
*this* happened. Recover well. Joseba.

[David N. Welton]

They are talking about a fractured pelvis for Beloki. Bad stuff.

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[Runamukluks]

>On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:52:43 +0000, Runamukluks wrote:
>
>> What a shame for Beloki!!
>
>Yes, agreed. What a sour note to go out on....
>

I cringe evertime I see that crash! How horrible. You could hear Beloki
wailing! Lance's reflex action in that crash was brilliant as usual. He amazes
me more and more everyday. Hope he's not penalized for the shortcut.

[Mathias De Belder]

Erik van Leeuwen wrote:
> Lance has mountainbike experience?

He does. He was a mountainbiker once. He even won a mountainbike race
this winter in the US, IIRC.

[Nev Shea]

"Erik van Leeuwen" > wrote in news:3f12c57f$0$45380
:

> Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he
> looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent.
> Braking too late and slipping left and right.

and as he's fishtailing you can see the tire come off the rim

> Lance has mountainbike experience?

or cyclocross

NS

[Monty Montgomery]

I shattered my elbow this year, I cringe every time anyone trips, stumbles
or crashes....
http://www.nanandmont.com/bike/bike-crash.htm
>
> I cringe evertime I see that crash! How horrible.

[Lindsay]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:00:20 +0200, "Erik van Leeuwen"
> wrote:

>Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he
>looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent.
>Braking too late and slipping left and right.
>Lance has mountainbike experience?

Yes, in fact in 99 Lance was supposed to have a split season, race
some road and some mtn bike for Trek. The TdF that year changed his
focus a little bit. He only raced in 2 mtn bike races, one in
Colorado and one in Napa Valley IIRC.

He also races in the Dirty Duo outside of Austin. Fun stuff.

Lindsay
----------------------------
"One of the annoying things about believing in free
will and individual responsibility is the difficulty
of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And
when you do find somebody, it's remarkable how often
his picture turns up on your driver's license."

P.J. O'Rourke

[Brian Phillips]

"Erik van Leeuwen" > wrote :
> Lance has mountainbike experience?

Dude, haven't you been watching those Subaru commercials?

[Cleanbean]

He also race at Ft. Hood, BLORA in '99. I was there.

John in Texas

"Lindsay" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:00:20 +0200, "Erik van Leeuwen"
> > wrote:
>
> >Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he
> >looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent.
> >Braking too late and slipping left and right.
> >Lance has mountainbike experience?
>
> Yes, in fact in 99 Lance was supposed to have a split season, race
> some road and some mtn bike for Trek. The TdF that year changed his
> focus a little bit. He only raced in 2 mtn bike races, one in
> Colorado and one in Napa Valley IIRC.
>
> He also races in the Dirty Duo outside of Austin. Fun stuff.
>
> Lindsay
> ----------------------------
> "One of the annoying things about believing in free
> will and individual responsibility is the difficulty
> of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And
> when you do find somebody, it's remarkable how often
> his picture turns up on your driver's license."
>
> P.J. O'Rourke

[JP]

"Erik van Leeuwen" > wrote in message >...
> Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he
> looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent.
> Braking too late and slipping left and right.

A "bit" too much risk? Locking up the rear wheel until the tire is
ground away and explodes is not s symptom of a bit too much risk, it's
a sign of panic, assuming it was not intentional. How did Armstrong,
who was right behind him, get through, cross country or otherwise, at
what must have been approximately the same speed?

Maybe I'm taking Armstrong's statement the that Beloki's rear tire
exploded right in front of him too literally. I didn't see it. Maybe
Beloki attacked where he didn't have room to make the turn and
panicked when he saw what he got himself into.

JP

[K. J. Papai]

"Erik van Leeuwen" > wrote in message >...
> Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he
> looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent.
> Braking too late and slipping left and right.
> Lance has mountainbike experience?

Yes -- you should see some of the current (and even older) Subaru TV
commercials here in USA. Also, Lance did some official pro mountain
bike racing in 1999.

Always a good skill set to have to add to you bike handling
skill repertoire to be a complete road racer.


-KJP

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:23:29 GMT, Brian Phillips wrote:
> Hope he gets well soon.

Broken thighbone, broken elbow, broken wrist. It'll take some time.

[Corey Green]

"Erik van Leeuwen" > wrote in message >...
> Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he
> looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent.
> Braking too late and slipping left and right.
> Lance has mountainbike experience?

Yes he does - check him out at the bottom of this page:

http://www.dirtyduathlon.com/


>
>
> "Lantern Rouge" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:52:43 +0000, Runamukluks wrote:
> >
> > > What a shame for Beloki!!
> >
> > Yes, agreed. What a sour note to go out on....
> >

[rb]

Lance actually does a lot of mountain biking- and at competed in at
least one duathlon- around Austin over the winter season.
The photo of Beloki on the ground with Lance right behind him was
fascinating.

r.b.

"Erik van Leeuwen" > wrote in message >...
> Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he
> looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent.
> Braking too late and slipping left and right.
> Lance has mountainbike experience?
>
>
> "Lantern Rouge" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:52:43 +0000, Runamukluks wrote:
> >
> > > What a shame for Beloki!!
> >
> > Yes, agreed. What a sour note to go out on....
> >

[Raptor]

Lindsay wrote:
>
> Yes, in fact in 99 Lance was supposed to have a split season, race
> some road and some mtn bike for Trek. The TdF that year changed his
> focus a little bit. He only raced in 2 mtn bike races, one in
> Colorado and one in Napa Valley IIRC.
>
> He also races in the Dirty Duo outside of Austin. Fun stuff.
>
> Lindsay

About that time, very shortly after his chemo, he raced in an XC at Deer
Valley, Utah, but did not bother finishing. He'd catch everyone on the
climbs and fall back on the downhills.


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[Erik van Leeuwen]

No, I can zap between 4 channels TdF LIVE coverage without commercials :-)

"Brian Phillips" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Erik van Leeuwen" > wrote :
> > Lance has mountainbike experience?
>
> Dude, haven't you been watching those Subaru commercials?
>
>
>

[g.daniels]

11/10th's.outasight!!go Beloki!Max Brake.and watch the guy infront and
see if falls first.

[Sabers]

"Peter Stone" > wrote in message >...
> "Runamukluks" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What a shame for Beloki!!
>
> I was thinking this is probably the best tour I've ever seen on TV. Then
> *this* happened. Recover well. Joseba.


Broken leg, broken elbow, broken wrist. Disaster for Beloki and ONCE.
Great survival instincts by Lance. Glad he wasn't penalized for his
cross-country jaunt. And we may have witnessed the birth of a star in
Alexandre Vinokourov.

g.

[Dominic Richens]

JP wrote:
>
> A "bit" too much risk? Locking up the rear wheel until the tire is
> ground away and explodes is not s symptom of a bit too much risk, it's
> a sign of panic, assuming it was not intentional. How did Armstrong,
> who was right behind him, get through, cross country or otherwise, at
> what must have been approximately the same speed?

Maybe Beloki panicked and didn't apply enough (or any) front brake, whereas
Lance used both (mostly front) and hence was able to avoid skidding and slow
down more.

When I began racing as a youngster (relatively speaking) our coach adjusted
everyones' rear brake so that the lever bottomed out on the handle bar
before the rear would lock up. Almost everyone instinctively learnt to use
the front more effectively. Even today, when braking hard in the rain, when
I start to lose the rear I automatically (lower-brainstem) re-balance. Now
if people would stop plowing into my RD I'd be happy.
--
Dominic Richens |
"If you're not *outraged*, you're not paying attention!"

[Nick Burns]

"Sabers" > wrote in message
om...
> "Peter Stone" > wrote in message
>...
> > "Runamukluks" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > What a shame for Beloki!!
> >
> > I was thinking this is probably the best tour I've ever seen on TV. Then
> > *this* happened. Recover well. Joseba.
>
>
> Broken leg, broken elbow, broken wrist. Disaster for Beloki and ONCE.
> Great survival instincts by Lance. Glad he wasn't penalized for his
> cross-country jaunt. And we may have witnessed the birth of a star in
> Alexandre Vinokourov.
>
> g.

Vino is one of the few riders that has had an even stronger year than
Hamilton. Paris-Nice, Amstel Gold and Tour de Suisse.

[Sam]

"Lindsay" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:00:20 +0200, "Erik van Leeuwen"
> > wrote:
>
> >Definitely out now... he's brought to hospital in an ambulance. Damn, he
> >looked good today, but took a bit too much risk in the dangerous descent.
> >Braking too late and slipping left and right.
> >Lance has mountainbike experience?
>
> Yes, in fact in 99 Lance was supposed to have a split season, race
> some road and some mtn bike for Trek. The TdF that year changed his
> focus a little bit. He only raced in 2 mtn bike races, one in
> Colorado and one in Napa Valley IIRC.
>
Lance raced Mount Snow and the old Mercury Tour stage race (MTB) in
Steamboat Springs, CO that year. He did another "local" type race as well.
I was working the feed zone the year Lance rode Mercury. He crashed several
times on the course. His inexperience showed (I saw TV coverage a few weeks
later) when he tried to ride sections that no one else would even attempt.
Guys like Jess Swiggers (who damn near won that first stage) would run
through the area; Lance tried to ride two of those sections and crashed.
He reached the feed zone, traded bottles with the Trek-VW soigneur and
turned and headed down the mountain on the fire road--he was done.
I admired him for agreeing to honor his word to do some of the MTB
racing;


> He also races in the Dirty Duo outside of Austin. Fun stuff.
>
> Lindsay
> ----------------------------
> "One of the annoying things about believing in free
> will and individual responsibility is the difficulty
> of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And
> when you do find somebody, it's remarkable how often
> his picture turns up on your driver's license."
>
> P.J. O'Rourke

[Nick Burns]

"Marlene Blanshay" > wrote in message
...
> In article . net>, "Brian
> Phillips" > wrote:
>
> > That was the kind of crash that gives you a sick feeling to watch. Real
> > unfortunate for the overall results of the tour also- Beloki was really
> > making things interesting. Hope he gets well soon.
>
> This just sucks canal water. At first I thought, oh, just bad road rash,
> but the mike picked up his moaning and groaning

I saw it twice and I winced both times.

and it just sounded
> terrible.
>
> His season's probably over, I doubt he'll make it to the Vuelta. And I was
> so impressed with Beloki this year. Mind you, I was also impressed with
> Lance's cyclocross skills! And in the middle of July, mind you.

[g.daniels]

if i can't beat him uphill then exp. del. I'll get the exp.del.downhill!!!