Re: Did Beloki roll off his real tire?

[Wade Summers]

"jjpsych" > wrote in message
om...
> I was watching this incident (and the replays) and it looked like
> Beloki overheated his rear wheel and rolled off the tire. Does any
> one know if he uses clinchers or tubulars?
> It seems that Lance said something about Beloki was hard on the brakes
> and then the tire came off.
> Any definitative word from the team about the cause?

There is a pretty good still photo on cyclingnews...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour.php?id=photos/2003/tour03/stage9/tdf2003-beloki-armstrong-33

It doesn't look like the tire is off the rim. From the coverage I saw it
appeared he locked up the rear, it began to slide to his left and then it
caught sending the bike back the other way, where the rear wheel caught
again and high-sided Beloki but good.


Wade

[Edward Waffle]

jjpsych wrote in message
>...
>I was watching this incident (and the replays) and it looked like
>Beloki overheated his rear wheel and rolled off the tire. Does any
>one know if he uses clinchers or tubulars?

Doesn't everyone in the TdF and other road races use clinchers? Or so I
thought.

[Ken Papai]

"Edward Waffle" > wrote in message
...
>
> jjpsych wrote in message
> >...
> >I was watching this incident (and the replays) and it looked like
> >Beloki overheated his rear wheel and rolled off the tire. Does any
> >one know if he uses clinchers or tubulars?
>
> Doesn't everyone in the TdF and other road races use clinchers? Or so I
> thought.

My guess: 80% of the tyres in the Tour are tubulars.


>
>

[warren]

In article <0TKQa.55574$GL4.14409@rwcrnsc53>, Ken Papai
> wrote:

> "Edward Waffle" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > jjpsych wrote in message
> > >...
> > >I was watching this incident (and the replays) and it looked like
> > >Beloki overheated his rear wheel and rolled off the tire. Does any
> > >one know if he uses clinchers or tubulars?
> >
> > Doesn't everyone in the TdF and other road races use clinchers? Or so I
> > thought.
>
> My guess: 80% of the tyres in the Tour are tubulars.

As Frankie Andreau said not too long ago... "Race on clinchers? No way!"

-WG

[warren]

In article >, Kurgan
Gringioni > wrote:

> "warren" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <0TKQa.55574$GL4.14409@rwcrnsc53>, Ken Papai
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "Edward Waffle" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > jjpsych wrote in message
> > > > >...
> > > > >I was watching this incident (and the replays) and it looked like
> > > > >Beloki overheated his rear wheel and rolled off the tire. Does any
> > > > >one know if he uses clinchers or tubulars?
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't everyone in the TdF and other road races use clinchers? Or so
> I
> > > > thought.
> > >
> > > My guess: 80% of the tyres in the Tour are tubulars.
> >
> > As Frankie Andreau said not too long ago... "Race on clinchers? No way!"
>
>
>
> I wouldn't either if I had mechanics and sponsors who took care of the
> expense and hassle.

Easy, even for you. Conti Sprinters for about $40 each (CriteriumUSA).
Use FasTak $8/tube, less than two tubes per season. I use about 3 tires
for every 25-30 criteriums including about 5-10 days of track racing on
the front tire. Glue them at the beginning of the season and glue maybe
two more tires when the rear one(s) wears out. More trouble than
clinchers but not that much more trouble for racing.

-WG

[Robert Schenker]

Amit wrote:
> (jjpsych) wrote in message >...
>
>
>>I was watching this incident (and the replays) and it looked like
>>Beloki overheated his rear wheel and rolled off the tire. Does any
>>one know if he uses clinchers or tubulars?
>>It seems that Lance said something about Beloki was hard on the brakes
>>and then the tire came off.
>>Any definitative word from the team about the cause?
>
>
> Beloki locked up his rear wheel in a curve. If you're doing 60 kph
> when you do that you will go down, regardless of equipement.
>
> This wasn't an equipment failure, it was pilot error on Beloki's part.
>
> -Amit

Looked to me like he choked the FRONT brake causing the rear wheel to
come around. It was off the ground. At which point he choked it even
more and the rear wheel when around the other side even more,
high-siding him. I've been unable to see any evidence of a tire off the
rim.
On the tubular issue--since I've been going back and forth recentlyy,
tubs still ride better, smoother, and I still feel more confident in
corners on them. I think it's due to their sideways flexibility. They
just seem to grip better. Also, they really don't cost any more; you can
spend just as much or more on clinchers. And one other thing: if you
ride them a lot, you find they flat about half as often as clinchers.
My 2¢.

Schenker

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 04:10:33 GMT, Brian Phillips wrote:
>In this photo
>http://www.velonews.com/images/details/4520.5461.f.jpg
>it looks like Beloki has a clincher rim.

Enlarged, brightened at
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/cycling/beloki14072003.jpg

[Wade Summers]

"Ewoud Dronkert" > wrote in message
fn.de...
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 04:10:33 GMT, Brian Phillips wrote:
> >In this photo
> >http://www.velonews.com/images/details/4520.5461.f.jpg
> >it looks like Beloki has a clincher rim.
>
> Enlarged, brightened at
> http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/cycling/beloki14072003.jpg


Thanks. This same photo was used on the front page of our newspaper's sports
section and it is clear the tire is off the rim.

I would say this was a result of the crash and not the cause. Beloki starts
to skid before he began to turn. Typically you roll a tire in the corner. I
think the second time the rear wheel caught, high-siding Beloki, there was
enough force to pull some of the tire off the rim.

Wade

[Wade Summers]

"Ken Papai" > wrote in message
news:0TKQa.55574$GL4.14409@rwcrnsc53...
>
> "Edward Waffle" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > jjpsych wrote in message
> > >...
> > >I was watching this incident (and the replays) and it looked like
> > >Beloki overheated his rear wheel and rolled off the tire. Does any
> > >one know if he uses clinchers or tubulars?
> >
> > Doesn't everyone in the TdF and other road races use clinchers? Or so I
> > thought.
>
> My guess: 80% of the tyres in the Tour are tubulars.
>

I'm not sure it is that high anymore. Maybe about 50% tubular these days?
Suppose it shifts from year to year depending on how many Michelin sponsored
teams are in the race.

Wade

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

Edward-<< Doesn't everyone in the TdF and other road races use clinchers? Or
so I
thought. >><BR><BR>

Either Phil or Paul mentioned that most teams still use tubies and they are
correct. Tubie rims and tires are still plentiful, well made and not expensive,

Mavic
Velocity
Ambrosio

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Conti

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[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

no spam-<< Yes he did roll his rear tire from overheating during breaking
>><BR><BR>

Pix show it was a clincher...

Peter Chisholm
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1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
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[Kurgan Gringioni]

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" > wrote in message
...
> Edward-<< Doesn't everyone in the TdF and other road races use clinchers?
Or
> so I
> thought. >><BR><BR>
>
> Either Phil or Paul mentioned that most teams still use tubies and they
are
> correct. Tubie rims and tires are still plentiful, well made and not
expensive,



They are plentiful, but expensive when one considers what happens when you
get a flat.