Tubeless Tire Conversion??

[Bill Wheeler]

1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
4. How well do they really hold air.
5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
comment and not a question)

Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
about giving tubeless a try.

Any help would be much appreciated.


Peace,
Bill


The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Sir Isaac Newton

[Ride-A-Lot]

Bill Wheeler wrote:
> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?

If you tend to ride in thorny areas, get pinch flats, or want to ride at
low pressure, yes it does.

> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?

Been using it for a year. I had one failure on a gravel road. A very
sharp piece of gravel tour a knobby off the tire. Once there's a whole
in the tire that big, you are SOL. Other than that, I have never gotten
a flat.

> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?

No, but I don't see why you couldn't. I use it on American Classic
rims, which are very light.

> 4. How well do they really hold air.

As good as a tube (without a hole, of course).

> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
> comment and not a question)

It causes the latex to freeze. Once it does that, you've altered the
chemical compound and made it less effective.

>
> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
> about giving tubeless a try.

Go for it but remember to carry a tube with you, just in case.


--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws

[Treefrog]

"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
> 4. How well do they really hold air.
> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
> comment and not a question)
>
> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
> about giving tubeless a try.
>

What's the point?
Oh, and try getting tubeless to inflate from flat. hehehe.

[ShiftIn2Granny@yahoo.com]

Treefrog wrote:

> What's the point?
> Oh, and try getting tubeless to inflate from flat. hehehe.
Been doing that for 2 years now. hehehe

Nate

[Bill Wheeler]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:05:11 -0500, Ride-A-Lot
> wrote:

>Bill Wheeler wrote:
>> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
>
>If you tend to ride in thorny areas, get pinch flats, or want to ride at
>low pressure, yes it does.
>
>> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
>
>Been using it for a year. I had one failure on a gravel road. A very
>sharp piece of gravel tour a knobby off the tire. Once there's a whole
>in the tire that big, you are SOL. Other than that, I have never gotten
>a flat.
>
>> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
>
>No, but I don't see why you couldn't. I use it on American Classic
>rims, which are very light.
>
>> 4. How well do they really hold air.
>
>As good as a tube (without a hole, of course).
>
>> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
>> comment and not a question)
>
>It causes the latex to freeze. Once it does that, you've altered the
>chemical compound and made it less effective.
>
>>
>> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
>> about giving tubeless a try.
>
>Go for it but remember to carry a tube with you, just in case.

Thanks for the info,
Bill


The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Sir Isaac Newton

[Bill Wheeler]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:12:47 -0000, "Treefrog"
> wrote:

>"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
>> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
>> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
>> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
>> 4. How well do they really hold air.
>> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
>> comment and not a question)
>>
>> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
>> about giving tubeless a try.
>>
>
>What's the point?

I'm slow to change so I've turned a new leave to be more receptive to
hype.

>Oh, and try getting tubeless to inflate from flat. hehehe.

I'll use a tube for temporary flats.

Peace,
Bill


The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Sir Isaac Newton

[MattB]

Bill Wheeler wrote:
> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
> 4. How well do they really hold air.
> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
> comment and not a question)
>
> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
> about giving tubeless a try.
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>
> Peace,
> Bill
>
>
> The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
> a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
> and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
> Sir Isaac Newton

I tried Stans for a bit. Great when they are working well, but I had
trouble with both of mine in a single weekend after a couple of months
of use. I put tubes in "temporarily" but never bothered to set them back
up again because it was such a PIA.
Neat idea but it didn't pan out for me.

Matt

[Ride-A-Lot]

MattB wrote:
> Bill Wheeler wrote:
>
>> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
>> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good? 3. Has anybody used this system
>> on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
>> 4. How well do they really hold air.
>> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
>> comment and not a question)
>>
>> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
>> about giving tubeless a try.
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Peace,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
>> a body at rest tends to stay at rest, and a body in motion tends to
>> stay in motion.
>> Sir Isaac Newton
>
>
> I tried Stans for a bit. Great when they are working well, but I had
> trouble with both of mine in a single weekend after a couple of months
> of use. I put tubes in "temporarily" but never bothered to set them back
> up again because it was such a PIA.
> Neat idea but it didn't pan out for me.
>
> Matt

I'm trying out some kevlar strips that go in between the tire and tube
for my trip to Mexico. As much as I like Stans, I do not want to be
stuck in the middle of Mexico with a failure. The strips are supposed
to prevent most thorns and pinch flats and weigh only 34g.

--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws

[elitistmtbsnob]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Treefrog wrote:
>
> > What's the point?
> > Oh, and try getting tubeless to inflate from flat. hehehe.
> Been doing that for 2 years now. hehehe
I've never had a problem setting the bead. hehehe.

[elitistmtbsnob]

"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:12:47 -0000, "Treefrog"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
> >> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
> >> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
> >> 4. How well do they really hold air.
> >> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
> >> comment and not a question)
> >>
> >> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
> >> about giving tubeless a try.
> >>
> >
> >What's the point?
>
> I'm slow to change so I've turned a new leave to be more receptive to
> hype.
>
Like the SS hype?

> >Oh, and try getting tubeless to inflate from flat. hehehe.
>
> I'll use a tube for temporary flats.
>
Or you can use tubeless slime.

[Bill Wheeler]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:28:54 -0600, "elitistmtbsnob"
> wrote:

>
>"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:12:47 -0000, "Treefrog"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
>> >> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
>> >> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
>> >> 4. How well do they really hold air.
>> >> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
>> >> comment and not a question)
>> >>
>> >> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
>> >> about giving tubeless a try.
>> >>
>> >
>> >What's the point?
>>
>> I'm slow to change so I've turned a new leave to be more receptive to
>> hype.
>>
>Like the SS hype?

SS is no hype, it's the real thing.

NEW LEAF BTW.

>
>> >Oh, and try getting tubeless to inflate from flat. hehehe.
>>
>> I'll use a tube for temporary flats.
>>
>Or you can use tubeless slime.

Peace,
Bill



The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Sir Isaac Newton

[Bill Wheeler]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:31:07 -0700, MattB >
wrote:

[snip]
>
>I tried Stans for a bit. Great when they are working well, but I had
>trouble with both of mine in a single weekend after a couple of months
>of use. I put tubes in "temporarily" but never bothered to set them back
>up again because it was such a PIA.
>Neat idea but it didn't pan out for me.
>
>Matt

....so you'd say its not worth it? Could you notice a difference in
riding when they did work?

Bill


The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Sir Isaac Newton

[elitistmtbsnob]

"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:28:54 -0600, "elitistmtbsnob"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:12:47 -0000, "Treefrog"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
> >> >> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
> >> >> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
> >> >> 4. How well do they really hold air.
> >> >> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
> >> >> comment and not a question)
> >> >>
> >> >> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
> >> >> about giving tubeless a try.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >What's the point?
> >>
> >> I'm slow to change so I've turned a new leave to be more receptive to
> >> hype.
> >>
> >Like the SS hype?
>
> SS is no hype, it's the real thing.
>
Then try the tubeless! Don't forget the slime. I've got a slime treated tire
with a thorn hole in it still holding pressure.

> NEW LEAF BTW.
>
Why?

> >
> >> >Oh, and try getting tubeless to inflate from flat. hehehe.
> >>
> >> I'll use a tube for temporary flats.
> >>
> >Or you can use tubeless slime.
>
> Peace,
> Bill
>
>
>
> The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
> a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
> and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
> Sir Isaac Newton

[jack]

"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
> 4. How well do they really hold air.
> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
> comment and not a question)
>
> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
> about giving tubeless a try.
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>
> Peace,
> Bill
>
>
> The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
> a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
> and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
> Sir Isaac Newton

Here's a cheap way to go tubeless. I've been using this system for a
couple years with no problem. I ride in areas with lots of thorns. This is
great for my big bike which has thru-axles for front and back.

http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php

[ShiftIn2Granny@yahoo.com]

elitistmtbsnob wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Treefrog wrote:
> >
> > > What's the point?
> > > Oh, and try getting tubeless to inflate from flat. hehehe.
> > Been doing that for 2 years now. hehehe
> I've never had a problem setting the bead. hehehe.

My thoughts exactly...

I've even made a non-tubeless Hutchinson tubeless, with Slime for
tubeless tires. Hmmmm, I don't think I used the word tubeless enough
in that sentence :)

[Craig Brossman]

jack wrote:
> "Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
>>2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
>>3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
>>4. How well do they really hold air.
>>5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
>>comment and not a question)
>>
>>Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
>>about giving tubeless a try.
>>
>>Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>>
>>Peace,
>>Bill
>>
>>
>>The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
>>a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
>>and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
>>Sir Isaac Newton
>
>
> Here's a cheap way to go tubeless. I've been using this system for a
> couple years with no problem. I ride in areas with lots of thorns. This is
> great for my big bike which has thru-axles for front and back.
>
> http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php
>
>

Thanks for the link, it looks like it would be worth a try, even if it
is not for the #1 bike.

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
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[MattB]

Bill Wheeler wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:31:07 -0700, MattB >
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>I tried Stans for a bit. Great when they are working well, but I had
>>trouble with both of mine in a single weekend after a couple of months
>>of use. I put tubes in "temporarily" but never bothered to set them back
>>up again because it was such a PIA.
>>Neat idea but it didn't pan out for me.
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> ...so you'd say its not worth it? Could you notice a difference in
> riding when they did work?
>
> Bill
>

Not for me anyway. They were a huge pain to set up, and if I only had to
do that once it might be worth it. The thought of doing it again was
enough to drive me back to tubes.

The ride was pretty nice. The only noticeable difference was being able
to run lower pressure. I've since just been running bigger volume tires
and that's been working well.

Matt

[jack]

"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?

Depends. If you hardly get flats or like changing flats than no it's not
worth it.

If you ride in areas that are flat prone areas or use thru-axles front and
back then it's worth it.

> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?

Never tryed Stans. I use the ghetto method.

http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php

> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?

Ghetto method should work.

> 4. How well do they really hold air.

The Ghetto method lose air about a pound a day. Not a problem for riding.

> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
> comment and not a question)

Not sure if they mean to pop the bead or fix a flat. I wouldn't use it to
pop the bead. You could waste a lot of CO2 if you fail to inflate. I have
used it to reinflate when I discovered a slow leak on the trail.

>
> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
> about giving tubeless a try.

May not be worth it if hardly flat. It is a fun experiment if you're the
mad scientist type.

[jack]

> >
> > Here's a cheap way to go tubeless. I've been using this system for a
> > couple years with no problem. I ride in areas with lots of thorns.
This is
> > great for my big bike which has thru-axles for front and back.
> >
> > http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for the link, it looks like it would be worth a try, even if it
> is not for the #1 bike.

The only real limiter is having access to compressed air. I bought a
portable air tank on sale from Sears for $15.

[Bruce Edge]

Bill Wheeler wrote:
> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?

If you mean, does it help because you can run lower pressure? No, see below.

> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?

Front only, see below.

> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
> 4. How well do they really hold air.

OK if you like rock hard tires.

> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
> comment and not a question)
>
> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
> about giving tubeless a try.
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>

Every time I run tubeless on a non-DH rear tire, I end up burping the
sidewall when I land/hit something with any degree of lateral force.

You get this fart sound, the guy behind you get's covered in white
monkey spew, and you have to stop, hope to God the bead re-seats, or put
in a tube.

This has happened with half a dozen different non-DH rear tires, UST and
non-UST, 30-40 PSI.

So, no I run stans in front only, never had any issues there. Guess I
hit things harder with the rear.

-Bruce

[jack]

> >
>
> Every time I run tubeless on a non-DH rear tire, I end up burping the
> sidewall when I land/hit something with any degree of lateral force.
>
> You get this fart sound, the guy behind you get's covered in white
> monkey spew, and you have to stop, hope to God the bead re-seats, or put
> in a tube.
>
> This has happened with half a dozen different non-DH rear tires, UST and
> non-UST, 30-40 PSI.
>
> So, no I run stans in front only, never had any issues there. Guess I
> hit things harder with the rear.

Try the Ghetto BMX tube method. I've never burped using non-DH tires on the
rear. The tire seals again the BMX tube instead of the rim so the latex
literally glues the tire to the tube creating a tubular tire.

[Bill Wheeler]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:49:25 -1000, "jack" > wrote:

>
>"Bill Wheeler" > wrote in message
...
>> 1. Do tubeless tires really make a difference?
>> 2. Is the "Stan's" system any good?
>> 3. Has anybody used this system on WTB Speed Disc Rims?
>> 4. How well do they really hold air.
>> 5. notubes.com recommends not using CO2....that sucks. (this is a
>> comment and not a question)
>>
>> Although I've never flatted on my current tubed tires, I'm thinking
>> about giving tubeless a try.
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Peace,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
>> a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
>> and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
>> Sir Isaac Newton
>
>Here's a cheap way to go tubeless. I've been using this system for a
>couple years with no problem. I ride in areas with lots of thorns. This is
>great for my big bike which has thru-axles for front and back.
>
>http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php
>
Wow, very interesting...could be a great winter project.

Thanks,
Bill


The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Sir Isaac Newton

[Bill Wheeler]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:52:01 -0500, Bill Wheeler
> wrote:

[snip]

Thanks ALL! Just for fun I think I may have to build up a set wheels
and try the "Ghetto" Method....Like the Jefferson's once sang...I'm
movin' on up, to a DEEluxe apartment in the sky...

Peace,
Bill

The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Sir Isaac Newton

[Slacker]

> I'm slow to change so I've turned a new leaf to be more receptive to
> hype.
>
> Peace,
> Bill
>
>
I think this is the only leaf you've been t(b)urning
http://www.beyondthebadge.com/drugs/marijleaf.gif

--
Slacker

[jack]

> > Try the Ghetto BMX tube method. I've never burped using non-DH tires on
the
> > rear. The tire seals again the BMX tube instead of the rim so the latex
> > literally glues the tire to the tube creating a tubular tire.
> >
> >
>
> OK, I'm interested, albeit a bit confused. What are you talking about
> exactly?
> Run stan's & a tube?

See attached link. You use a BMX tube as your rim strip. You trim the
excess BMX tube after you mount the tire, put in sealant and pressurize so
that the BMX tube is between the rim and tire. The tire ends up adhering
to the bmx tube because the sealant acts like a glue. The tire nevers
touches the metal rim so less chances of burping.

http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php

[p e t e f a g e r l i n]

jack wrote:
>>>Try the Ghetto BMX tube method. I've never burped using non-DH tires on
>
> the
>
>>>rear. The tire seals again the BMX tube instead of the rim so the latex
>>>literally glues the tire to the tube creating a tubular tire.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>OK, I'm interested, albeit a bit confused. What are you talking about
>>exactly?
>>Run stan's & a tube?
>
>
> See attached link. You use a BMX tube as your rim strip. You trim the
> excess BMX tube after you mount the tire, put in sealant and pressurize so
> that the BMX tube is between the rim and tire. The tire ends up adhering
> to the bmx tube because the sealant acts like a glue. The tire nevers
> touches the metal rim so less chances of burping.
>
> http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php


Or just skip all of the hassle and drama with a
Stan's type setup and go with Yes Tubes (they're
cheaper than Stan's also)

http://www.yestubes.com

[jack]

> >
> > http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php
>
>
> Or just skip all of the hassle and drama with a
> Stan's type setup and go with Yes Tubes (they're
> cheaper than Stan's also)
>
> http://www.yestubes.com

I agree for most people yestubes is better because it cheaper and less
drama.

For those who flat a yestube on every ride because of thorns the drama and
cost is worth it.

For those who run thru-axle systems the drama of changing tubes far exceeds
the drama of setting up a ghetto notube. Especially a rear thru-axle
system.

[Bill Wheeler]

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:44:23 -0800, Slacker >
wrote:

>> I'm slow to change so I've turned a new leaf to be more receptive to
>> hype.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>I think this is the only leaf you've been t(b)urning
>http://www.beyondthebadge.com/drugs/marijleaf.gif

D'oh!....bad for the lungs....does that come in a gel cap?

Peace,
Bill(just say no)Wheeler



The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Sir Isaac Newton

[Bill Wheeler]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:38:36 GMT, p e t e f a g e r l i n
> wrote:

>jack wrote:
>>>>Try the Ghetto BMX tube method. I've never burped using non-DH tires on
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>rear. The tire seals again the BMX tube instead of the rim so the latex
>>>>literally glues the tire to the tube creating a tubular tire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>OK, I'm interested, albeit a bit confused. What are you talking about
>>>exactly?
>>>Run stan's & a tube?
>>
>>
>> See attached link. You use a BMX tube as your rim strip. You trim the
>> excess BMX tube after you mount the tire, put in sealant and pressurize so
>> that the BMX tube is between the rim and tire. The tire ends up adhering
>> to the bmx tube because the sealant acts like a glue. The tire nevers
>> touches the metal rim so less chances of burping.
>>
>> http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php
>
>
>Or just skip all of the hassle and drama with a
>Stan's type setup and go with Yes Tubes (they're
>cheaper than Stan's also)
>
>http://www.yestubes.com

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D'oh!,
Bill



The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
Sir Isaac Newton

[Bruce Edge]

jack wrote:
>>>Try the Ghetto BMX tube method. I've never burped using non-DH tires on
>
> the
>
>>>rear. The tire seals again the BMX tube instead of the rim so the latex
>>>literally glues the tire to the tube creating a tubular tire.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>OK, I'm interested, albeit a bit confused. What are you talking about
>>exactly?
>>Run stan's & a tube?
>
>
> See attached link. You use a BMX tube as your rim strip. You trim the
> excess BMX tube after you mount the tire, put in sealant and pressurize so
> that the BMX tube is between the rim and tire. The tire ends up adhering
> to the bmx tube because the sealant acts like a glue. The tire nevers
> touches the metal rim so less chances of burping.
>
> http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php
>
>

Ahh, Now I see. Looks cool, but tubeless rim, goo, and a tube ?? That's
a bit much.

Hmmm, maybe worth a shot though. It is nice having the extra squish of
low PSI.
BTW, how come I have so many dents in my rim :-)

-Bruce

[Slacker]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:57:01 -0500, Bill Wheeler =

> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:44:23 -0800, Slacker >
> wrote:
>
>>> I'm slow to change so I've turned a new leaf to be more receptive to=

>>> hype.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>> I think this is the only leaf you've been t(b)urning
>> http://www.beyondthebadge.com/drugs/marijleaf.gif
>
> D'oh!....bad for the lungs....does that come in a gel cap?
>
> Peace,
> Bill(just say no)Wheeler
>
>
Close... http://www.thebody.com/tpan/julaug_01/images/marinol.jpg

-- =

Slacker

[Sam O'Nella]

> Or just skip all of the hassle and drama with a
> Stan's type setup and go with Yes Tubes (they're
> cheaper than Stan's also)
>
> http://www.yestubes.com

I hear they're pretty ****ty.

http://home.pacbell.net/psf0/images/9.16/tube1.jpg

http://home.pacbell.net/psf0/images/9.16/tube2.jpg

http://home.pacbell.net/psf0/images/9.16/tube3.jpg

[p e t e f a g e r l i n]

Sam O'Nella wrote:
>>Or just skip all of the hassle and drama with a
>>Stan's type setup and go with Yes Tubes (they're
>>cheaper than Stan's also)
>>
>>http://www.yestubes.com
>
>
> I hear they're pretty ****ty.
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/psf0/images/9.16/tube1.jpg
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/psf0/images/9.16/tube2.jpg
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/psf0/images/9.16/tube3.jpg

Au contraire, that was a tire bead failure and the
tube (albeit a cheap Taiwanese imitation of a
yestube) remained intact.

[RonSonic]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:38:36 GMT, p e t e f a g e r l i n
> wrote:

>jack wrote:
>>>>Try the Ghetto BMX tube method. I've never burped using non-DH tires on
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>rear. The tire seals again the BMX tube instead of the rim so the latex
>>>>literally glues the tire to the tube creating a tubular tire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>OK, I'm interested, albeit a bit confused. What are you talking about
>>>exactly?
>>>Run stan's & a tube?
>>
>>
>> See attached link. You use a BMX tube as your rim strip. You trim the
>> excess BMX tube after you mount the tire, put in sealant and pressurize so
>> that the BMX tube is between the rim and tire. The tire ends up adhering
>> to the bmx tube because the sealant acts like a glue. The tire nevers
>> touches the metal rim so less chances of burping.
>>
>> http://www.nsmb.com/gear/tubeless_12_04.php
>
>
>Or just skip all of the hassle and drama with a
>Stan's type setup and go with Yes Tubes (they're
>cheaper than Stan's also)
>
>http://www.yestubes.com

Great link. Thanks, I already have a set and they work great for me.

Ron

[MattB]

Slacker wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:57:01 -0500, Bill Wheeler
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:44:23 -0800, Slacker >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm slow to change so I've turned a new leaf to be more receptive to
>>>> hype.
>>>>
>>>> Peace,
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think this is the only leaf you've been t(b)urning
>>> http://www.beyondthebadge.com/drugs/marijleaf.gif
>>
>>
>> D'oh!....bad for the lungs....does that come in a gel cap?
>>
>> Peace,
>> Bill(just say no)Wheeler
>>
>>
> Close... http://www.thebody.com/tpan/julaug_01/images/marinol.jpg
>

Then there's always:
http://applesoft.com/brownies/page2.html