Alpenrose Challenge Results for Friday, 18Jul2003

[Mike Murray]

Alpenrose Challenge Results for Friday, 18Jul2003

Pursuit Results
2K Masters
1 238 Luis Bernhardt PSCC Gregg's 02:42.00
2 66 Mark Rodamaker 02:44.33
3 237 Ted Forgeron Team Rose City 02:46.37
4 234 George Schreck Corben Huntair 02:51.45
5 240 John Forbes Corben Huntair 02:56.95

3K Masters
1 235 Steve Yenne ExcelSports 04:00.78
2 64 Carl Roberts Team Cliff Bar 04:02.38
3 236 Steve Holland Corben Huntair 04:04.86
4 232 Kevin Ball EnSelle 04:06.97
5 35 David Oliphant Fred Meyer 04:15.61
6 239 John Simmons Shaws GCC 04:16.73
7 233 Will Fernyhough Gregg's 04:21.50

3K Women
1 100 Larssyn Staley HotTubes 04:05.47
2 101 Heather Albert Basis 04:06.73
3 111 Annette Hanson Team Rubicon 04:11.48
4 102 Ashley Kimmet Colavita/bolla 04:15.85
5 115 Breanna Loster Opus Women 04:19.70
6 107 Miranda Moon Team Rubicon 04:24.92
7 104 Kim Lucas Team Oregon 04:37.39
8 112 Heather VanValkenburg Sorella Forte 04:40.08

4K Men
1 99 Kenny Williams Saturn for Seattle 04:58.41
2 9 Marty Nothstein Navigators 04:59.28
3 33 Mike Beers Gotham Cyclist 05:10.02
4 28 Josh Kerkhof Mercy 05:10.17
5 71 Nathan Rouse Sportsbook.com, 05:10.21
6 46 Adam Curry Velocraft 05:12.42
7 60 Peter Drake Fred Meyer 05:13.67
8 26 Mikkel Bossen BikeGallery/TREK/VW 05:22.80
9 47 Mike McCorkell Olympic Oval 05:24.10
10 75 David Boxberger EWEB Windpower 05:30.69
11 51 Brian O'Neal RMS 05:31.38
12 73 Andre Steinhausen Schwalbe-Erpic 05:35.65
13 63 Geoff Argue Escape Velocity/Devo 05:41.14
14 74 Kevin Lieberman Landis Trek/VW 05:57.19

Timed Event Results
500m Masters Num Name Team Time
1 66 Mark Rodamaker 00:38.94
2 270 Chris Rycewict Team Oregon 00:40.02
3 36 Steve Brown Beaverton Bicycle Club 00:40.09
4 237 Ted Forgeron Team Rose City 00:40.40
5 266 Eric Christensen TeamRoseCity 00:40.84
6 242 Chris Anstey Schwalbe-Erpic 00:40.88
7 238 Luis Bernhardt PSCC Gregg's/Specialized 00:41.75
8 234 George Schreck Corben Huntair 00:43.12

500m Women
1 111 Annette Hanson Team Rubicon 00:39.98
2 103 Laura Yoisten Colnago/Carrera 00:40.23
3 102 Ashley Kimmet Colavita/bolla 00:40.93
4 115 Breanna Loster Opus Women 00:41.60
5 107 Miranda Moon Team Rubicon 00:41.82
6 106 Jen Featheringill Bike Central 00:42.27
7 109 Tela Crane 00:42.51
8 112 Heather VanValkenburg Sorella Forte 00:42.85
9 105 Darien Curl Team Rubicon 00:42.97
10 101 Heather Albert Basis 00:43.64
11 104 Kim Lucas River City/Team Oregon 00:45.53

1K Masters
1 236 Steve Holland Corben Huntair 01:18.80
2 231 Bill Egan Landis Trek/VW 01:19.58
3 232 Kevin Ball EnSelleTheTrackBikeShop 01:19.63
4 247 Steve Garcia Bike Central 01:19.68
5 20 Chauncey Curl Team Rubicon 01:20.28
6 64 Carl Roberts Team Cliff Bar 01:20.85
7 233 Will Fernyhough Gregg's 01:21.59
8 239 John Simmons Shaws GCC 01:22.02

1K Men
1 9 Marty Nothstein Navigators 01:10.04
2 99 Kenny Williams Saturn for Seattle 01:11.38
3 48 Cameron Mackinnon Bicisport 01:11.78
4 33 Mike Beers Gotham Cyclist 01:12.21
5 46 Adam Curry Velocraft 01:13.28
6 81 Jeff Hopkins JitteryJoe's 01:14.54
7 76 Adam Southerland Corben Huntair 01:14.73
8 84 Ian Eglitis Presto Velo/Bike-N-Hike 01:16.05
9 75 David Boxberger EWEB Windpower 01:16.60
10 47 Mike McCorkell Olympic Oval 01:16.78
11 78 Brian Kennan Byrne Specialty Gas 01:16.87
12 60 Peter Drake Fred Meyer 01:17.48
13 92 DominicVanHorn RiverCity/TeamOregon 01:18.71
14 xx David Wiswell Gotham Cyclist 01:19.33
15 74 Kevin Lieberman Landis Trek/VW 01:21.14
16 73 Andre Steinhausen Schwalbe-Erpic 01:23.14

Men Qualifier Points Race
(Top 9 qualify for Mens Points Race on Sunday)
Num Name Team Laps Points
1 60 Peter Drake Fred Meyer Even 33
2 83 David Fleischhauer Rad Racing NW Even 31
3 89 Soloman Woras Team Rubicon Even 17
4 77 Nathan Hobson Half Fast Velo Even 14
5 86 Scott Robinson GSCamerati Even 11
6 27 Mark Ginsberg River City/Team Oregon Even 9
7 51 Brian O'Neal RMS Even 8
8 30 Josh Kadis GSLombardi Even 6
9 62 Taylor Kneuven Beaverton Bicycle Club Even 2
10 63 Geoff Argue Escape Velocity/Devo Even 0
11 78 Brian Kennan Byrne Specialty Gas Even 0
12 85 John Boelsems GS Camerati Even 0
13 105 Darien Curl Team Rubicon Even 0
14 110 Norrene Godfrey Team Rubicon Even 0
15 240 John Forbes Corben Huntair Even 0
16 88 Marty Cahill Corben Huntair -3 2
17 26 Mikkel Bossen BikeGallery/TREK/VW DNF 6
18 49 Dean Tracy Team Rubicon DNF 2
19 75 David Boxberger EWEB Windpower DNF 2
20 70 Chauncey Curl Team Rubicon DNF 0
21 82 Craig Sinanian Half Fast Velo DNF 0

[Kurgan Gringioni]

"Mike Murray" > wrote in message
news:QfXSa.102504$GL4.27064@rwcrnsc53...
> Alpenrose Challenge Results for Friday, 18Jul2003
>
> 1K Masters
> 1 236 Steve Holland Corben Huntair 01:18.80
> 2 231 Bill Egan Landis Trek/VW 01:19.58
> 3 232 Kevin Ball EnSelleTheTrackBikeShop 01:19.63
> 4 247 Steve Garcia Bike Central 01:19.68
> 5 20 Chauncey Curl Team Rubicon 01:20.28
> 6 64 Carl Roberts Team Cliff Bar 01:20.85
> 7 233 Will Fernyhough Gregg's 01:21.59
> 8 239 John Simmons Shaws GCC 01:22.02





Goddamm, the Oregon Masters Fatties are fast.

[warren]

In article >, Kurgan
Gringioni > wrote:

> "Mike Murray" > wrote in message
> news:QfXSa.102504$GL4.27064@rwcrnsc53...
> > Alpenrose Challenge Results for Friday, 18Jul2003
> >
> > 1K Masters
> > 1 236 Steve Holland Corben Huntair 01:18.80
> > 2 231 Bill Egan Landis Trek/VW 01:19.58
> > 3 232 Kevin Ball EnSelleTheTrackBikeShop 01:19.63
> > 4 247 Steve Garcia Bike Central 01:19.68
> > 5 20 Chauncey Curl Team Rubicon 01:20.28
> > 6 64 Carl Roberts Team Cliff Bar 01:20.85
> > 7 233 Will Fernyhough Gregg's 01:21.59
> > 8 239 John Simmons Shaws GCC 01:22.02
>
>
>
>
>
> Goddamm, the Oregon Masters Fatties are fast.

That track can be slow. Nothstein only did a 1:10 kilo and the track
record is only 1:08.

-WG

[Mike Murray]

Kurgan Gringioni > wrote:
"Goddamm, the Oregon Masters Fatties are fast."

and "warren" > responded:
"That track can be slow. Nothstein only did a 1:10 kilo and the track record
is only 1:08."

Warren is correct. Timed events at Alpenrose are slower, about 1 sec/lap or
more depending on the event as shown by the records below. Alpenrose is
probably the second slowest velodrome in the country. On the other hand, it
is slow for everyone so it doesn't really effect the competition. There are
lots of reasons why it is slow that I could delineate if any one is
interested.
--
Mike Murray

Alpenrose Velodrome Records
Velodrome length 268.43 meters

Men:
Flying lap Jeff LaBauve 15.24 2002
Flying 200 m Jeff LaBauve 11.34 2002
500m Stan Gregg 37.56 2001
1 K Marty Nothstein 1:08.76 2001
2K Woody Cox 2:34.01 2001
3K Gene Wixson 3:42.00 1995
4K Mike Tillman 4:54:23 2002
Olympic Sprint Marty Nothstein 53.85 2001
Josh Weir
Stephen Alfred
1 Hour Jamie Mikami 44.030 km 1996 164+laps
Team Pursuit Adam Payne 4:46.90 1997
John Walrod
Benjamin Sharpe
Brian Whitcomb

10 MILE Kenny Williams 20:40.78 2001

Junior:
1K Adam Southerland 1:12.90 2002
3K Gene Wixson 3:42.00 1995

Women:
Flying lap Jen Evans 17.21 1997
Flying 200m Jennie Reed 12.65 2001
500m Lori-Ann Muenzer 37.90 2001
3K Jen Evans 4:00.64 1997
Olympic sprint Suzy Tignor 1:01:90 2002
JoAnne Kiesanowski
Erin Mirabella
1 Hour Nina Strika 38.160 km 1996 142 laps 43m

[warren]

In article >, Mike
Murray > wrote:

> Kurgan Gringioni > wrote:
> "Goddamm, the Oregon Masters Fatties are fast."
>
> and "warren" > responded:
> "That track can be slow. Nothstein only did a 1:10 kilo and the track record
> is only 1:08."
>
> Warren is correct. Timed events at Alpenrose are slower, about 1 sec/lap or
> more depending on the event as shown by the records below. Alpenrose is
> probably the second slowest velodrome in the country. On the other hand, it
> is slow for everyone so it doesn't really effect the competition. There are
> lots of reasons why it is slow that I could delineate if any one is
> interested.

I have wondered this, especially since people say the track is much
nicer to ride on after its remodeling. So, why is it a little slow?

-WG

[Mike Murray]

"warren" > asked:
"I have wondered this, especially since people say the track is much nicer
to ride on after its remodeling. So, why is it a little slow?"

The track is nicer to ride since the remodeling. The remodel was done 6
years ago and it involved tearing out 90 feet in each of the 4 corners,
almost 1/2 of the track, and rebuilding them to make the transition less
abrupt. Before the remodel the transitions were so abrupt that riding above
the stayer's line you would get very light and maybe even leave the ground
coming out of the turn and there would be a big compressions going into the
turn. Of course, the effect was greater the further out you were on the
track. This also means that the improvement was less lower on the track so
the remodel had little effect in the sprinter's lane and little effect on
how fast the track is.

One of the reasons that the track is slow is that it is fairly bumpy. Most
of the bumps are over a fairly long run but basically the surface is similar
to riding on the road. This was something that we hoped to improve with the
remodel since we expected that at least the new parts would be smoother.
The design presented to the contractor specified the surface elevations to
1/32" on 1 foot centers. Unfortunately the contractor was insufficiently
careful on pouring the new sections and there were fairly large dips and
bumps with one portion 3 1/2" off specifications. This initiated a long
process of arguing with the contractor, identifying the portions above and
below specifications, grinding down the high spots to below specs and then
filling those and the low spots up to spec. At the conclusion of this
process the new portions were no bumpier than the old portions and that was
as good as it was going to get.

The other reasons are:

- Tight turns and long straights. The rounder a track is the faster it will
be. Alpenrose is not at all round. From the air it looks more like a
cigar.
- Steep banks. This makes the rider climb a bit in each turn. At Alpenrose
this works out to more than 1 foot rise each lap
- Single radius turns. The turns are circular. This means that as you ride
your angular acceleration goes from zero to a fixed number, stays at that
number through the turn and then suddenly goes back to zero. This give you
a sensation of being tossed into and out of the turn which tends to slow you
down.
- Abrupt transition to the apron. The apron is flat and the turn is about
43 degrees with no transition between the two. When you are riding it is
pretty obvious you don't want to go too far left. Sponges are cosmetic at
Alpenrose and it is rare for anyone to hit one. This makes it pretty hard
to keep a low line.

--
Mike Murray

[warren]

Thanks for that.

-WG


In article <IdeTa.118225$N7.16411@sccrnsc03>, Mike Murray
> wrote:

> "warren" > asked:
> "I have wondered this, especially since people say the track is much nicer
> to ride on after its remodeling. So, why is it a little slow?"
>
> The track is nicer to ride since the remodeling. The remodel was done 6
> years ago and it involved tearing out 90 feet in each of the 4 corners,
> almost 1/2 of the track, and rebuilding them to make the transition less
> abrupt. Before the remodel the transitions were so abrupt that riding above
> the stayer's line you would get very light and maybe even leave the ground
> coming out of the turn and there would be a big compressions going into the
> turn. Of course, the effect was greater the further out you were on the
> track. This also means that the improvement was less lower on the track so
> the remodel had little effect in the sprinter's lane and little effect on
> how fast the track is.
>
> One of the reasons that the track is slow is that it is fairly bumpy. Most
> of the bumps are over a fairly long run but basically the surface is similar
> to riding on the road. This was something that we hoped to improve with the
> remodel since we expected that at least the new parts would be smoother.
> The design presented to the contractor specified the surface elevations to
> 1/32" on 1 foot centers. Unfortunately the contractor was insufficiently
> careful on pouring the new sections and there were fairly large dips and
> bumps with one portion 3 1/2" off specifications. This initiated a long
> process of arguing with the contractor, identifying the portions above and
> below specifications, grinding down the high spots to below specs and then
> filling those and the low spots up to spec. At the conclusion of this
> process the new portions were no bumpier than the old portions and that was
> as good as it was going to get.
>
> The other reasons are:
>
> - Tight turns and long straights. The rounder a track is the faster it will
> be. Alpenrose is not at all round. From the air it looks more like a
> cigar.
> - Steep banks. This makes the rider climb a bit in each turn. At Alpenrose
> this works out to more than 1 foot rise each lap
> - Single radius turns. The turns are circular. This means that as you ride
> your angular acceleration goes from zero to a fixed number, stays at that
> number through the turn and then suddenly goes back to zero. This give you
> a sensation of being tossed into and out of the turn which tends to slow you
> down.
> - Abrupt transition to the apron. The apron is flat and the turn is about
> 43 degrees with no transition between the two. When you are riding it is
> pretty obvious you don't want to go too far left. Sponges are cosmetic at
> Alpenrose and it is rare for anyone to hit one. This makes it pretty hard
> to keep a low line.