Fred Danielson

[crit PRO]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/diaries/tom/?id=tom0504

The following is from the link at www.cyclingnews.com above;

"Today was a nice stage, but all on small roads. I felt great and did
my best to do all Johan spoke of. He reads the race like a book. The
last down hill before the final climb I was in a bad position and a gap
opened. The descent was very dangerous and fast. When my group came
around the corner to a long straightaway into the climb the front group
was not in sight. This I think sank everyone's hopes and the group
coasted all the way to the climb. I decided that it was best to go up
the climb at a good pace for good training so I got into a rhythm and
went up it. I was happy how I felt and I went fairly good. I will
continue to work hard and I feel this race will give me good form and
improve my skills greatly in the peloton. My team all did good rides
today and it is clear the team is well on its way to all of our
specific goals in the year."

So let me get this straight. Fred Danielson let the gap open that
caused the split and ended the day for half the field. Letting a gap
open is one of the biggest Category IV moves out there.

And if that wasn't enough, he decides to attack that group (that he
formed)near the finish. Attacking a group that is left behind the
standings (AKA The Gruppetto or Autobus) is one of the BIGGEST
jackassed things you can do.

Now I know most of you don't race or ride, so you may not understand
all these rules of the sport that were violated. Next thing you know,
Fred will attack in his next race when they are all on the roadside at
a nature break. And he'll probably write about it in his journal.

crit PRO

not a gap opener

[Carl Sundquist]

"crit PRO" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/diaries/tom/?id=tom0504
>
> The following is from the link at www.cyclingnews.com above;
>
> "Today was a nice stage, but all on small roads. I felt great and did
> my best to do all Johan spoke of. He reads the race like a book. The
> last down hill before the final climb I was in a bad position and a gap
> opened. The descent was very dangerous and fast. When my group came
> around the corner to a long straightaway into the climb the front group
> was not in sight. This I think sank everyone's hopes and the group
> coasted all the way to the climb. I decided that it was best to go up
> the climb at a good pace for good training so I got into a rhythm and
> went up it. I was happy how I felt and I went fairly good. I will
> continue to work hard and I feel this race will give me good form and
> improve my skills greatly in the peloton. My team all did good rides
> today and it is clear the team is well on its way to all of our
> specific goals in the year."
>
> So let me get this straight. Fred Danielson let the gap open that
> caused the split and ended the day for half the field. Letting a gap
> open is one of the biggest Category IV moves out there.
>
> And if that wasn't enough, he decides to attack that group (that he
> formed)near the finish. Attacking a group that is left behind the
> standings (AKA The Gruppetto or Autobus) is one of the BIGGEST
> jackassed things you can do.
>
> Now I know most of you don't race or ride, so you may not understand
> all these rules of the sport that were violated. Next thing you know,
> Fred will attack in his next race when they are all on the roadside at
> a nature break. And he'll probably write about it in his journal.
>
> crit PRO
>
> not a gap opener
>

Where does he write that he caused the gap to open?

Actually what I found interesting is how he doesn't seem to lose sight of
his larger goals/objectives. In Langkawi, he said that while he was with the
leaders and feeling good going up the Gentings climb, he backed off rather
than go for the win because digging deep could be detrimental down the road
(paraphrased). Today, rather than toddle in with the grupetto, he seems to
again adhere to training/goal objectives rather than follow suit with the
immediate surroundings.

Anybody know who is coaching him?

[Philip Holman]

"Carl Sundquist" > wrote in message
news:z5%Yd.1329$Qz.524@okepread05...
>
> "crit PRO" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/diaries/tom/?id=tom0504
>>
>> The following is from the link at www.cyclingnews.com above;
>>
>> "Today was a nice stage, but all on small roads. I felt great and did
>> my best to do all Johan spoke of. He reads the race like a book. The
>> last down hill before the final climb I was in a bad position and a
>> gap
>> opened. The descent was very dangerous and fast. When my group came
>> around the corner to a long straightaway into the climb the front
>> group
>> was not in sight. This I think sank everyone's hopes and the group
>> coasted all the way to the climb. I decided that it was best to go up
>> the climb at a good pace for good training so I got into a rhythm and
>> went up it. I was happy how I felt and I went fairly good. I will
>> continue to work hard and I feel this race will give me good form and
>> improve my skills greatly in the peloton. My team all did good rides
>> today and it is clear the team is well on its way to all of our
>> specific goals in the year."
>>
>> So let me get this straight. Fred Danielson let the gap open that
>> caused the split and ended the day for half the field. Letting a gap
>> open is one of the biggest Category IV moves out there.
>>
>> And if that wasn't enough, he decides to attack that group (that he
>> formed)near the finish. Attacking a group that is left behind the
>> standings (AKA The Gruppetto or Autobus) is one of the BIGGEST
>> jackassed things you can do.
>>
>> Now I know most of you don't race or ride, so you may not understand
>> all these rules of the sport that were violated. Next thing you know,
>> Fred will attack in his next race when they are all on the roadside
>> at
>> a nature break. And he'll probably write about it in his journal.
>>
>> crit PRO
>>
>> not a gap opener
>>
>
> Where does he write that he caused the gap to open?
>
> Actually what I found interesting is how he doesn't seem to lose sight
> of
> his larger goals/objectives. In Langkawi, he said that while he was
> with the
> leaders and feeling good going up the Gentings climb, he backed off
> rather
> than go for the win because digging deep could be detrimental down the
> road
> (paraphrased). Today, rather than toddle in with the grupetto, he
> seems to
> again adhere to training/goal objectives rather than follow suit with
> the
> immediate surroundings.
>
> Anybody know who is coaching him?
>
Some gym teacher.

Phil H

[[email protected]]

>
> Now I know most of you don't race or ride, so you may not understand
> all these rules of the sport that were violated. Next thing you know,
> Fred will attack in his next race when they are all on the roadside
at
> a nature break. And he'll probably write about it in his journal.
>
> crit PRO
>
> not a gap opener


tom danielson and some of his chronies used to race collegiately for
FLC, this was the late 90's, and they were well known as the
squirilliest bunch of mountain bikers ever to hit the tarmac, knees and
elbows out, couldn't hold a straight line, rotating the wrong way in
the wind, overlapped wheels, scary stuff.
once in a crosswind in a flat race, I saw one of them - not him - fly
off the side of the road, into a ditch, at 30mph, rather than use his
breaks I guess. then he chased back, all dirty and torn up, rambo
style.
They also would all get in a long line, like a Saeco train, at the
beggining of the race for some reason, and quickly wind up the pace for
the first 5mph, like they were gonna just ride the whole field off
their wheels. then when some attacks would go and a break would form,
they were never represented, and had to chase all day and they'd get
schooled by CU.
They had a van with like 30 bikes on it, like they were a pro team, and
a coach, I think it may have been crawford, but they would roll up like
Mapei with warfaces on like "man you are all about to get hammered now"


having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride from
gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.

[amit]

wrote:
>
> tom danielson and some of his chronies used to race collegiately for
> FLC, this was the late 90's, and they were well known as the
> squirilliest bunch of mountain bikers ever to hit the tarmac, knees
and
> elbows out, couldn't hold a straight line, rotating the wrong way in
> the wind, overlapped wheels, scary stuff. ...

this **** is hilarious.

[Tom D.]

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> Anybody know who is coaching him?

Rick Crawford (Durango) gets mentioned, though there may be others.

[Gerard Lanois]

writes:

> >
> > Now I know most of you don't race or ride, so you may not understand
> > all these rules of the sport that were violated. Next thing you know,
> > Fred will attack in his next race when they are all on the roadside
> at
> > a nature break. And he'll probably write about it in his journal.
> >
> > crit PRO
> >
> > not a gap opener
>
>
> tom danielson and some of his chronies used to race collegiately for
> FLC, this was the late 90's, and they were well known as the
> squirilliest bunch of mountain bikers ever to hit the tarmac, knees and
> elbows out, couldn't hold a straight line, rotating the wrong way in
> the wind, overlapped wheels, scary stuff.
> once in a crosswind in a flat race, I saw one of them - not him - fly
> off the side of the road, into a ditch, at 30mph, rather than use his
> breaks I guess. then he chased back, all dirty and torn up, rambo
> style.
> They also would all get in a long line, like a Saeco train, at the
> beggining of the race for some reason, and quickly wind up the pace for
> the first 5mph, like they were gonna just ride the whole field off
> their wheels. then when some attacks would go and a break would form,
> they were never represented, and had to chase all day and they'd get
> schooled by CU.
> They had a van with like 30 bikes on it, like they were a pro team, and
> a coach, I think it may have been crawford, but they would roll up like
> Mapei with warfaces on like "man you are all about to get hammered now"
>
>
> having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride from
> gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
> if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
> scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.

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> wrote:

> I'm about to ride from
> gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.



3 hours to do 30 miles?



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[Callistus Valerius]

>
> > I'm about to ride from
> > gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
>
>
>
> 3 hours to do 30 miles?
>
Unicycle

[Tom Kunich]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> tom danielson and some of his chronies used to race collegiately for
> FLC, this was the late 90's, and they were well known as the
> squirilliest bunch of mountain bikers ever to hit the tarmac, knees and
> elbows out, couldn't hold a straight line, rotating the wrong way in
> the wind, overlapped wheels, scary stuff.

Imagine new racers actually having to learn the sport and its skills. Why
the thought is surprising to say the least.

> having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride from
> gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
> if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
> scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.

And if you tell us that you were ever above Cat 4 yourself I'll laugh myself
silly.

[crit PRO]

he is.

[[email protected]]

>
> > having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride
from
> > gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
> > if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
> > scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.
>
> And if you tell us that you were ever above Cat 4 yourself I'll laugh
myself
> silly.

actually, yes I was Tom, I was a mediocre cat. 1 if you really want to
know about me personally. I already had to do this with papai. why do
people on RBR always do this, they attack posters for being anonymous,
and then when a person does use their real name, they call them out and
bust on them for not being a real cyclist or whatever, when in fact Tom
I'm sure I've raced more than you, won more races than you. travelled
around the US to race more than you, and I still race for fun, and I'm
still fast, doing my fastest TT ever last year and winning two little
local TT's. I've done a 52 minute 40K, you want me to talk more about
myself?
Let's hear about Tom Kunich? win many races or do you just post to
newsgroups and do century rides and stuff like that?
I don't know you personally, but even if you are a cat. 4 or a fat
master, i wouldn't bust on you for it or hold it against you.

and to answer your retarded post, that was a collegiate A race, so no,
they weren't "learning" the sport, and that stuff takes one race to
learn anyway, fartknocker.

[[email protected]]

Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> On 03/13/2005 11:30 AM, in article
> . com,
"
> > wrote:
>
> > I'm about to ride from
> > gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
>
>
>
> 3 hours to do 30 miles?
>


sometimes longer, it's called CHAMOIS TIME, and it's when you factor
the time you spend sitting around drinking coffee and sitting out front
of gas stations drinking diet coke into your training hours.
so you can do like 30 hour weeks, and get maybe 100 miles in,
but you can still tell everyone that you are doing 40 hour weeks, and
you get a good tan from sitting outside too.

There are many variations too:
The CAMPUS PRO, is when you ride around the college campus loop looking
at girls at like 8mph, for a few hours everyday, you can factor that
into your training hours too along with champois time, virtually
eliminating the time avialable to spend suffering out climbing hills or
doing sweaty intervals.

The TRAINER PRO, the guy you never see training, but he says he's doing
4 hours a day, at night, on his trainer. These guys usually aren't very
fast for some reason.

[Tom Kunich]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>> > having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride
> from
>> > gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
>> > if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
>> > scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.
>>
>> And if you tell us that you were ever above Cat 4 yourself I'll laugh
>> myself silly.
>
> actually, yes I was Tom, I was a mediocre cat. 1 if you really want to
> know about me personally. I already had to do this with papai. why do
> people on RBR always do this, they attack posters for being anonymous,
> and then when a person does use their real name, they call them out and
> bust on them for not being a real cyclist or whatever, when in fact Tom
> I'm sure I've raced more than you, won more races than you. travelled
> around the US to race more than you, and I still race for fun, and I'm
> still fast, doing my fastest TT ever last year and winning two little
> local TT's. I've done a 52 minute 40K, you want me to talk more about
> myself?

Then explain why you make such a silly posting which somehow implies that
you're oh so much more clever than Danielson? I wonder if you broke into
Cat 1 from nothing? Or did you maybe have a learning curve? Tom Danielson is
looking to be perhaps a great rider and you have the unmitigated gall to
criticize the way he rode in college? Exactly WHO is making egotistical
rantings here?

I suggest that you not cry about Ken or I attacking your dumb**** postings
and instead ask yourself why those attacks occurred.

> and to answer your retarded post, that was a collegiate A race, so no,
> they weren't "learning" the sport, and that stuff takes one race to
> learn anyway, fartknocker.

Well, ****, how many colligiate A riders make the pro ranks?

[amit]

Tom Kunich wrote:

> Then explain why you make such a silly posting which somehow implies
that
> you're oh so much more clever than Danielson? I wonder if you broke
into
> Cat 1 from nothing? Or did you maybe have a learning curve? Tom
Danielson is
> looking to be perhaps a great rider and you have the unmitigated gall
to
> criticize the way he rode in college? Exactly WHO is making
egotistical
> rantings here?

dumbass,

you're so ****ing stupid. the point was that it is a funny story of a
now big-time euro-pro back in the day.

[amit]

Tom Kunich wrote:
> I suggest that you not cry about Ken or I attacking your dumb****
postings
> and instead ask yourself why those attacks occurred.
>


dumbass, it's only you two pinheads that try to slam people by saying
they're slow, that's supposed to make someone feel bad ? anyone who's
raced knows exactly how fast or slow they are.

also, if you read people's postings instead of arguing with other
pinheads you'd already know that mike used to be a pretty good rider.

[DA74]

Ignore him Mike. We know who you are. It was a good post. I remember
racing against TD at some of the NRC crits in 2003 with Saturn. He'd
be getting shelled out the back, sides etc. They'd always send back
Wohlberg or another strongman to go back and get him but TD wouldn't
realize it and just tt it back up to the front. The other guys would
then have to pick their way back up front only to do the whole thing
again.

[Bill C]

Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> Well, ****, how many colligiate A riders make the pro ranks?

Don't know how many actually do. A lot of them just might have things
they'd like to do with their educations besides ride bikes. From
working some collegiate races here in New England, I wouldn't bet
against quite a few of these guys becoming pros, if they want to put in
the time instead of making real money. You know you've got to really
want it bad to decide that it's better to be a flat ass broke d3 pro
than an engineer making $50,000 a year and racing P/1/2 stuf as a 1 or
2.
I led Kevin Bouchard-Hall and a couple of his buddies on the motor, on
a tight technical crit course and it was a challenge to stay ahead of
them at times. A smaller lighter bike would've helped, but not much.
I know a lot of former collegiate A's that made it as pros. Having an
education and bike racing aren't mutually exclusive. Just ask Marla
Streb.
Bil C

[[email protected]]

Bill C wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, ****, how many colligiate
> > A riders make the pro ranks?
>
> I led Kevin Bouchard-Hall and
> a couple of his buddies on the motor,

Yeah, I think KBH and Stu Gillespie are former east coast collegiate
guys who wil make it.

> I know a lot of former collegiate A's
> that made it as pros. Having an
> education and bike racing aren't
> mutually exclusive. Just ask Marla

Kevin's older brother Derek came out of collegiate -- he schooled us
routinely in the early 90s when he was at Princeton. Adam
Hodges-Meyerson was, I think, racing pre-collegiate but he was also
part of the collegiate scene while at UMass.

JT

[Bill C]

amit wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I suggest that you not cry about Ken or I attacking your dumb****
> postings
> > and instead ask yourself why those attacks occurred.
> >
>
>
> dumbass, it's only you two pinheads that try to slam people by saying
> they're slow, that's supposed to make someone feel bad ? anyone who's
> raced knows exactly how fast or slow they are.

It really isn't that hard to tell who has raced enough to have a clue,
or done enough around racing to know what the hell they're talking
about. In bike racing it's pretty damn tough to claim to be better than
you are when you do it where everybody can see what is really
happening. I don't know a whole lot of people who aren't involved in
racing that want to talk about it, and those that are involved have a
pretty good idea exactly where everybody is on the food chain.
I don't get the concept that says, just because someone is anonymous,
or obnoxious they must suck. It's killing people to even begin to think
CP might be as good as he says he is.
> also, if you read people's postings instead of arguing with other
> pinheads you'd already know that mike used to be a pretty good rider.
Sounds like he's still pretty good. Someone I wouldn't mind having in
a race I'm working at all. Following a cat5 field, or a 15/16 field
worries me a whole lot more than a P/1/2 field. Cat5s don't know any
better and you never know what the hell they're going to do. 15/16s are
usually pretty damn fast, but with all the hormones flowing they can be
pretty unpredictable too.
As far as squirrely goes, some riders don't ever seem to learn. I know
of one former junior who may just become a d3 or better who still
scares the hell out of even his teamates with the stupid **** he does.
I'm babbling again, but Amit is pretty much on the money here.
Bill C

[k.papai]

What the hell are you talking about MIke?
And why do tou think I ever slammed you about being slow or something?
Go back and look.
Newbies get slammed a lot in RBR. We all were new and felt the heat.

So what are you talking about anyway? You got my props man!!

-Ken

[amit]

Bill C wrote:

> I don't get the concept that says, just because someone is anonymous,
> or obnoxious they must suck.

and it's ironic when you see which people this line is most popular
with.

> Following a cat5 field, or a 15/16 field
> worries me a whole lot more than a P/1/2 field. Cat5s don't know any
> better and you never know what the hell they're going to do. 15/16s
are
> usually pretty damn fast, but with all the hormones flowing they can
be
> pretty unpredictable too.

we're going off on a tangent here. but i'm sure you've found the higher
the level of racing the more respect there is for rules and officials.

it's easier to enforce the rules if you have some powers. pros and
higher cats know they are exepected to know the rules and know
officials won't hesitate to fine or DQ them or their team.

the hardest categories to officiate are masters. since they're mostly
there just to ride in a bunch they don't care about DQs (what, they
lose their 30th place?) or nominal fines, so as an official you don't
have a lot of potency with those riders.

it might be intimidating to tell some big time pro to warm up with his
helmet on, but he'll listen to you. if you say that to some forty year
old he'll tell you to get lost and then bitch about it on the internet.

[Tom Kunich]

"Bill C" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> It really isn't that hard to tell who has raced enough to have a clue,
> or done enough around racing to know what the hell they're talking
> about. In bike racing it's pretty damn tough to claim to be better than
> you are when you do it where everybody can see what is really
> happening. I don't know a whole lot of people who aren't involved in
> racing that want to talk about it, and those that are involved have a
> pretty good idea exactly where everybody is on the food chain.
> I don't get the concept that says, just because someone is anonymous,
> or obnoxious they must suck. It's killing people to even begin to think
> CP might be as good as he says he is.
>> also, if you read people's postings instead of arguing with other
>> pinheads you'd already know that mike used to be a pretty good rider.
> Sounds like he's still pretty good. Someone I wouldn't mind having in
> a race I'm working at all. Following a cat5 field, or a 15/16 field
> worries me a whole lot more than a P/1/2 field. Cat5s don't know any
> better and you never know what the hell they're going to do. 15/16s are
> usually pretty damn fast, but with all the hormones flowing they can be
> pretty unpredictable too.
> As far as squirrely goes, some riders don't ever seem to learn. I know
> of one former junior who may just become a d3 or better who still
> scares the hell out of even his teamates with the stupid **** he does.
> I'm babbling again, but Amit is pretty much on the money here.

Amit suggests that mike was just telling a funny story about Danielson. If
that's the case I misunderstood him. There's so much carping about other
riders (from the likes of Crit Pro who, if he were half as good as he
pretends would still be on a pro team) that it's to mis-read someone here.

One thing that I saw when I was racing and when my kids were racing was that
you could tell talent from a mile away skillful rider or not. Jenny Reed
stood out like a searchlight in a dark room. She couldn't climb to save her
butt but she could do a flat TT like a world champ even when she was 16. I
can't even imagine anyone casting aspersions on her riding ability because
she couldn't climb. And I have a hard time accepting that a Collegiate A
rider knows anything except how to suffer.

[Bill C]

amit wrote:
>
> we're going off on a tangent here. but i'm sure you've found the
higher
> the level of racing the more respect there is for rules and
officials.
>
> it's easier to enforce the rules if you have some powers. pros and
> higher cats know they are exepected to know the rules and know
> officials won't hesitate to fine or DQ them or their team.
>
> the hardest categories to officiate are masters. since they're mostly
> there just to ride in a bunch they don't care about DQs (what, they
> lose their 30th place?) or nominal fines, so as an official you don't
> have a lot of potency with those riders.
>
> it might be intimidating to tell some big time pro to warm up with
his
> helmet on, but he'll listen to you. if you say that to some forty
year
> old he'll tell you to get lost and then bitch about it on the
internet.

HOLY ****! AMEN!! Godamn if that ain't the truth. Luckily here in New
England we have a handfull of Masters like Paul Curley and Scott Wade
who can make any race, and 90% of the time my job is to go with the
money, so I miss out on most of the ******s after the real racers shed
the chaff.
I really like doing the Bob Beale Master's Weekend because I get to
talk with and collect stories from the 60 and up types who have great
stories to tell. The worst are the 30/35+ never was types who are
convinced they really should've been pros.
That said there are a bunch of people in that category who are really
solid racers, with no illusions and attitudes who are great. JT and
some of his teamates are definitely in that category.
Bill C

[Curtis L. Russell]

On 15 Mar 2005 16:04:22 -0800, "amit" >
wrote:

>we're going off on a tangent here. but i'm sure you've found the higher
>the level of racing the more respect there is for rules and officials.

I've done my hundred races or so as an official and have to say that
that isn't true. Cat 4s may bitch because they don't understand the
rules, but they rarely cross the line. The advantage with Cat 3s and
2s and masters is that you end up knowing most of them that you deal
with on a regular basis, so they tend to be easy enough to deal with,
especially the masters.

OTOH, certain cat 1s seem to feel that they are above and beyond the
rules. Also, they (some) know the rules and work them as if they know
it better than the cat 1 official. Admittedly, this is from
observation as cat 3 officials basically carry stuff around and flip
lap counters in most cat 1 races, but if you are looking for the
occasional exceptionally obnoxious racer, its been cat 1s in my
experience.

The worst? Easy - boyfriends of the women racers, especially if the
girlfriend goes down and gets an abrasion or two and the boyfriend
thinks he has something to prove for some reason. Occasionally a
junior and a junior's parent will be off the wall - and IMO the most
likely to try to cheat, especially equipment.

Finally, for what its worth, bicycle racing does far better than most
adrenalin fueled sports. I've had what I consider three major screw
ups (unannounced gamblers prime that easily cost someone a win,
thinking my Chief Judge knew how to operate the camera at the Masters
District Road Race, and letting someone job me at the pits at a
locally major race) and the racers took it better than could be
expected. Soccer parents and Little League parents are easily off the
scale compared to bicycle racers.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

[[email protected]]

tyler hamilton was one, and there are many others, colorado, new
england and
california collegiate racing is really competitive. I would have never
raced at all
if not for collegiate racing and we all know what a loss to the sport
that
would have been.

I'm making egotisitical rantings? cycling really didn't do much
for my ego - getting hammered at a fringe sport for 8 years
taught me how to be humble if anything.

I don't think a pro racing paris-nice needs you to defend him from some

dude sitting at home typing away on RBR.

I was just telling a story, I have hundreds of them
I bore my friends with, sorry, Now that Jason Waddel is done racing,
he could spend a few minutes a week
war storying for us, he must have stories about the front of races too.

[Bill C]

Curtis L. Russell wrote:

>
> Finally, for what its worth, bicycle racing does far better than most
> adrenalin fueled sports. I've had what I consider three major screw
> ups (unannounced gamblers prime that easily cost someone a win,
> thinking my Chief Judge knew how to operate the camera at the Masters
> District Road Race, and letting someone job me at the pits at a
> locally major race) and the racers took it better than could be
> expected. Soccer parents and Little League parents are easily off the
> scale compared to bicycle racers.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...

Got a couple of Masters I'd like to ship you. Most of them are pretty
reasonable, but this really seems to be the only group that will argue
forever about whether they were 23d of 24th in a pack sprint comong in
7 minutes back. They will argue even after you show them on the finish
camera where they were.
Luckily with the pros races here they tend to put the same group of
officials out with them, and most of them learn very quickly not to
argue too much with senior type officials. We've got some incredibly
good people so there really isn't much of a problem there.
Your right on about the Jrs. being the sneakiest of the bunch. Doesn't
happen too often, but a couple times a year one of them will come up
with something really creative just to keep it interesting.
Hands down though dealing with cycling people is a whole lot easier
than the other sports. It seems like the brawls just keep coming in
most of the ball sports, and the **** going down in Euro soccer between
officials quitting and cheating is comppletely nuts.
95% of the time it's a great job, and on the motor my job is to have
the best seat in the house and pay attention to the race. Can't beat
it.
Bill C

[amit]

Tom Kunich wrote:

> Amit suggests that mike was just telling a funny story about
Danielson. If
> that's the case I misunderstood him.

dumbass,


i guess that's understandable.

[crit PRO]

"tyler hamilton was one"



Who is Tyler Hamilton?

[Stewart Fleming]

crit PRO wrote:
> "tyler hamilton was one"
>
>
>
> Who is Tyler Hamilton?
>

I knew I should have stuck a reserved mark on that phrase...

[Tom Kunich]

"amit" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>> Amit suggests that mike was just telling a funny story about
>> Danielson. If that's the case I misunderstood him.
>
> i guess that's understandable.

However, I think that you're the one misunderstanding some guy shooting pot
shots at a pro rider. We notice that Mike hasn't posted a follow-up.

[[email protected]]

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "amit" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> >
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> >> Amit suggests that mike was just telling a funny story about
> >> Danielson. If that's the case I misunderstood him.
> >
> > i guess that's understandable.
>
> However, I think that you're the one misunderstanding some guy
shooting pot
> shots at a pro rider. We notice that Mike hasn't posted a follow-up.

uh, I did post a follow up, three days ago, saying that danielson - a
euro pro racing paris-nice, does not need you (tom kunich) to defend
him from me (mike schatzman), a dude sitting on a computer posting on
RBR. He is a pro now, he was a scrub then, end of story.
but also, I must add, just because he's a pro, doesn't mean we can't
make fun of him.
I think Decanio pointing out his obsession with burritos, for example,
was very funny stuff.
I'm thinking you have no sense of humour, tom, or maybe you just
worship pros, and want to lick sweaty chamois, but the pros really are
just like you or me, just faster at pedaling a bicycle.
Who are we supposed to make fun of? some local racer nobody has ever
heard of?
Floyd Landis was notoriously sketchy when he started racing for Mercury
too, another MTB rider who switched to road, nobody wanted to be on his
wheel that first season - and we all know what a pathetic loser that
guy is, helping Lance with the TDF and all that.