proving tdg promoters right?

[Alec Sander]

we'll see on sunday - but right i'd bet the tdg promoters are already
feeling vindicated about their webcore snub. agree?

la vuelta bisbee stage 1 itt results:

001 105 STEVIC, Ivan . Aerospace Eng 00:09:39
002 134 WONG, Phil AZ Fiordifrutta @ 00:00:09
003 101 PETERSON, Cody CO 3D Racing @ 00:00:16
004 102 CAVALIERE, Clemente . Aerospace Eng 0 15 @ 00:00:22
004 131 DIETRICH, Mike AZ Fiordifrutta @ 00:00:22
006 157 WILLINGER, Matthew CA RHvilla.com @ 00:00:26
007 133 TIMMERMAN, Dan AZ Fiordifrutta @ 00:00:27
008 103 MORAN, Hugh . Aerospace Eng @ 00:00:29
009 146 BLICKEM, Ryan NM Landis/Trek/VW @ 00:00:30
010 194 VAN ULDEN, Bernard CA Webcor Builders @ 00:00:32
011 147 CAROLAN, Tim AZ Landis/Trek/VW @ 00:00:35
011 160 GARCIA, Jonathan CO RMCEF @ 00:00:35
013 191 CLINGER, David CA Webcor Builders @ 00:00:37
014 171 STOCKBURGER, Christopher CO Team Rio Grande @ 00:00:38
015 176 ROWE, Kevin WA Valley Athletic @ 00:00:39
016 121 BLANCHARD, Scott AZ Eclipse Racing @ 00:00:40
017 116 HUNT, John CA Giant/Vill Ped @ 00:00:42
018 112 VAN HORN, Sean CO Broadmark @ 00:00:43
019 122 COLAVITO, Kyle AZ Eclipse Racing @ 00:00:48
020 170 MONTELEONE, Christopher NC Team Rio Grande @ 00:00:51

[MyFirstname MyLastName]

"Alec Sander" > writes:

> 001 105 STEVIC, Ivan . Aerospace Eng 00:09:39
> 002 134 WONG, Phil AZ Fiordifrutta @ 00:00:09
> 003 101 PETERSON, Cody CO 3D Racing @ 00:00:16
> 004 102 CAVALIERE, Clemente . Aerospace Eng 0 15 @ 00:00:22
> 004 131 DIETRICH, Mike AZ Fiordifrutta @ 00:00:22
> 006 157 WILLINGER, Matthew CA RHvilla.com @ 00:00:26
> 007 133 TIMMERMAN, Dan AZ Fiordifrutta @ 00:00:27
> 008 103 MORAN, Hugh . Aerospace Eng @ 00:00:29
> 009 146 BLICKEM, Ryan NM Landis/Trek/VW @ 00:00:30
> 010 194 VAN ULDEN, Bernard CA Webcor Builders @ 00:00:32
> 011 147 CAROLAN, Tim AZ Landis/Trek/VW @ 00:00:35
> 011 160 GARCIA, Jonathan CO RMCEF @ 00:00:35
> 013 191 CLINGER, David CA Webcor Builders @ 00:00:37
> 014 171 STOCKBURGER, Christopher CO Team Rio Grande @ 00:00:38
> 015 176 ROWE, Kevin WA Valley Athletic @ 00:00:39
> 016 121 BLANCHARD, Scott AZ Eclipse Racing @ 00:00:40
> 017 116 HUNT, John CA Giant/Vill Ped @ 00:00:42
> 018 112 VAN HORN, Sean CO Broadmark @ 00:00:43
> 019 122 COLAVITO, Kyle AZ Eclipse Racing @ 00:00:48
> 020 170 MONTELEONE, Christopher NC Team Rio Grande @ 00:00:51
>

What was this?

A dog race or horse race or something?

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you're kidding right?
bisbee is a great race with a rich history,
Lemond won it back in the 70's, it's in a cool hippy town in AZ,
and it's hard but not ridiculously hard.
anyway, that was a short uphill TT,
clinger or blickem will win. maybe stevic if he can
do flattish TT's.
There are great races in the western USA, 5 day races, with
mountain passes, not for your average crit monkey.

[PanFan]

wrote in news:1114309566.671979.28110
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> you're kidding right?
> bisbee is a great race with a rich history,

OK but these U.S. races with faux European race naming needs to stop.

"Tour de France" is French and is in France. Acceptable.

"Sea Otter Classic" is English and is in the U.S. Acceptable.

"La Vuelta de Bisbee" is a faux Spanish attempt at being a wannabe Vuelta.
It's weak and not acceptable. "Tour de Georgia" is not acceptable either.
"Tour of Arizona," "Bisbee Classic" and "Tour of Georgia" would be
acceptable names.

[Stewart Fleming]

PanFan wrote:
> "La Vuelta de Bisbee" is a faux Spanish attempt at being a wannabe Vuelta.
> It's weak and not acceptable. "Tour de Georgia" is not acceptable either.
> "Tour of Arizona," "Bisbee Classic" and "Tour of Georgia" would be
> acceptable names.

There's a hill on a road race course near Glasgow called "Col du Monster".

[Alec Sander]

wrote:
> you're kidding right?
> bisbee is a great race with a rich history,

dude, put down the bong. this race is regional at best. i'm sure it's a
big deal to the locals and some socal amateurs but half the field is
cat 2s. it's not even in the same league as sea otter - which itself
doesn't always attract top teams.

anyway, here are the top 3o latest results going into sunday.

Bisbee GC after Prologue, Stage 1 & Stage 2:
001 105 STEVIC, Ivan . Aerospace Eng P-1 03:33:24
002 134 WONG, Phil AZ Fiordifrutta P-1 @ 00:00:30
003 131 DIETRICH, Mike AZ Fiordifrutta P-1 @ 00:00:42
004 146 BLICKEM, Ryan NM Landis/Trek/VW P-1 @ 00:00:49
005 101 PETERSON, Cody CO 3D Racing P-1 @ 00:00:50
006 191 CLINGER, David CA Webcor Builders P-1 @ 00:01:06
007 194 VAN ULDEN, Bernard CA Webcor Builders P-1 @ 00:01:07
008 157 WILLINGER, Matthew CA RHvilla.com 2 @ 00:01:14
009 133 TIMMERMAN, Dan AZ Fiordifrutta P-1 @ 00:01:18
010 103 MORAN, Hugh . Aerospace Eng P-1 @ 00:01:19
011 176 ROWE, Kevin WA Valley Athletic P-1 @ 00:01:21
012 163 GUNN, Curtis AZ Seasilver P-1 @ 00:01:31
013 171 STOCKBURGER, Christopher CO Team Rio Grande E @ 00:01:32
014 179 NICOL, Kevin CO Tokyo Joe's Cyc P-1 @ 00:01:34
015 116 HUNT, John CA Giant/Vill Ped P-1 @ 00:01:38
016 102 CAVALIERE, Clemente . Aerospace Eng P-1 @ 00:01:39
017 121 BLANCHARD, Scott AZ Eclipse Racing P-1 @ 00:01:40
018 147 CAROLAN, Tim AZ Landis/Trek/VW P-1 @ 00:01:46
019 160 GARCIA, Jonathan CO RMCEF 2 @ 00:01:47
020 122 COLAVITO, Kyle AZ Eclipse Racing 2 @ 00:01:57
021 175 ARCHIBALD, Derik WA Valley Athletic P-1 @ 00:02:16
022 178 JANELLE, Mike CO Tokyo Joe's Cyc P-1 @ 00:02:28
023 112 VAN HORN, Sean CO Broadmark E @ 00:02:29
024 177 MITCHELL, Nathan AZ TIAA CREF E @ 00:02:33
025 185 GANOUNG, George WV US Armed Frcs P-1 @ 00:02:41
026 170 MONTELEONE, Christopher NC Team Rio Grande E @ 00:02:41
027 161 HAMITY, Ryan CO RMCEF E @ 00:02:45
028 189 OLIN, Shawn FP US Armed Frcs P-1 @ 00:02:50
029 154 FIDELUS, Bart CA Ranchos E @ 00:02:51
030 192 COLLARD, Marc CA Webcor Builders P-1 @ 00:02:59
031 141 HUBBARD, Scott NM KHSnm.com 2 @ 00:03:05
032 193 HUANG, Ted CA Webcor Builders P-1 @ 00:03:

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I wasn't comparing it to sea otter or any other races,
but it's a good race that's been around a long time - and
winners of bisbee include steve hegg, malcolm elliot, cezary zemana,
lemond,
and others - it used to be a bigger deal than it is now - it used to be
five days,
and all the pro teams would do it.
have you ever done it? Or are you an east coast crit monkey or
something,
who looks for crits with 20k prize lists so you can get gas money for
55th?
It's a fun race, like a mini- Tour of the Gila and really hard even
with an
amatuer field.