Re: I hate the Cutters in France

[joyoh]

Andrew Martin wrote:
> (Buzz) wrote in message
> >...
> > (chiefhiawatha) wrote in message
> > >...
> > > Am I the only one who hates that group of Americans going around in
> > > France wearing the CUTTERS tshirts? You discovered neither that
> > > movie nor the TDF, assholes.
> > >
> > > I was riding up ventoux while you were doing the Macarena, got it?
> > >
> > > embarrassing the rest of us on French soil.
> > >
> > > And American magazines, stop giving these poseurs de luxe any more
> > > ink. Putting on a stupid tshirt, getting drunk, and waving a large
> > > flag does NOT make you cool.
> >
> > No. You are the asshole! And I'll tell you why. First off get your
> > frame pump out of your ass and chill. That shark isn't an
> > embarrassment, you are, for pretending to be an european elitist and
> > an apologist for America. The shark is way cool as is waving the U.S.
> > flag in france because it ****es assholes like yourself off.
> >
> Where in this thread does anybody apologize for America? Waving the flag
> is great and I'm all for
> it. It's the stupid american frat boy antics that I'm against - be it on
> French soil or US.
> > Secondly, the guys wearing the CUTTERS t-shirts do understand the
> > movie and unlike you what it is to be a fan of the TDF. The American
> > riders in the TDF are looked down upon by the established european
> > cycling culture just like the townies were looked down upon by the U
> > of I students. Get it?
> Ok - that is worst comparitive analysis I've read here in a while. The
> American riders that are over in Europe today are widely successful. The
> Cutters were townies with little money and humble means relative to the
> IU frat boys who compete in the race. Your parallel would be valid if it
> were related to the 7-11 team in its first Giro, but for the US riders
> in today's Tour - totally bull****.
> >
> > > I was riding up ventoux while you were doing the Macarena, got it?
> >
> > What's up with that? For which team in the TDF were you "riding up the
> > ventoux" on? The only "riding up the ventoux" you were doing was as a
> > tourist on a triple chain ring with a 29 on the back. Now that is an
> > embarrassment.
> Buzz - get back to the your place as Cat 6 pack fodder. The point here
> is that these guys are a bunch of Bandwagoners. I can't vouch for
> Chief's gearing, but there are plenty of folks who ride the mountains as
> some pretty intense training over there prior to stages (myself
> included). Let Chief speak for himself - but if he's not the RBR fattie
> that you accuse him of - then you have come up with a total of ZERO
> valid points. Sorry chump (if he does ride a triple with a 29, then yeah
> - that's a bit embarassing).
> -a (rode Ventoux in a 39-23 carrying a messenger bag)

my credentials are these- my mother is french and i have lived in france
off and on, and i raced all the way back in the day in colorado against
eric heiden, the 7-11 guys, and once against greg lemond- (he lapped me
at least twice). though Breaking Away is cheesy, i must admit it did
make me feel good about being a cyclist way back in the day. I voted
against both Bush and Shrub. all that said, i must come to the defense
of the Cutters. i happened to stand with them on the final day and
through them my fourteen year old was able to shake lance's hand. we
moved down near them 8 hours before the race as they set up. i didn't
know who they were at that point, but i knew they were going to be fun
to watch the finish with. and they were. yes they were a bit like a
dorky r rated comedy at times, but they were funny and generous and
'real' supporters of lance. by the end of the day it was a pretty wild
party, with several west pointers just back from iraq and a hord of
others. I met, among others an asian-american from manhattan, an african
american from california, a hispanic american form san diego. some knew
load about what they were seeing others very little. but i must say that
no one was disrespectful or harsh. the loudest post cheer came for
ullrich and he acknowledged it with a huge smile. I think the original
poster is just a bitter loser- someone who gets off on thinking of
himself as 'in' and wanting to keep others 'out'. All i know is that
lance armstrong loved the support and it was a great blast to both sing
the national anthem with my fellow statesmen and women, and also to go
home that night and enjoy a fabulous french wine. vive la tour! :eek:



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[Tom Kunich]

Nice posting but the best wines come from California now.

"joyoh" > wrote in message
...
> Andrew Martin wrote:
> > (Buzz) wrote in message
> > >...
> > > (chiefhiawatha) wrote in message
> > > >...
> > > > Am I the only one who hates that group of Americans going
around in
> > > > France wearing the CUTTERS tshirts? You discovered neither
that
> > > > movie nor the TDF, assholes.
> > > >
> > > > I was riding up ventoux while you were doing the Macarena,
got it?
> > > >
> > > > embarrassing the rest of us on French soil.
> > > >
> > > > And American magazines, stop giving these poseurs de luxe
any more
> > > > ink. Putting on a stupid tshirt, getting drunk, and waving a
large
> > > > flag does NOT make you cool.
> > >
> > > No. You are the asshole! And I'll tell you why. First off get
your
> > > frame pump out of your ass and chill. That shark isn't an
> > > embarrassment, you are, for pretending to be an european
elitist and
> > > an apologist for America. The shark is way cool as is waving
the U.S.
> > > flag in france because it ****es assholes like yourself off.
> > >
> > Where in this thread does anybody apologize for America? Waving
the flag
> > is great and I'm all for
> > it. It's the stupid american frat boy antics that I'm against -
be it on
> > French soil or US.
> > > Secondly, the guys wearing the CUTTERS t-shirts do understand
the
> > > movie and unlike you what it is to be a fan of the TDF. The
American
> > > riders in the TDF are looked down upon by the established
european
> > > cycling culture just like the townies were looked down upon by
the U
> > > of I students. Get it?
> > Ok - that is worst comparitive analysis I've read here in a
while. The
> > American riders that are over in Europe today are widely
successful. The
> > Cutters were townies with little money and humble means relative
to the
> > IU frat boys who compete in the race. Your parallel would be
valid if it
> > were related to the 7-11 team in its first Giro, but for the US
riders
> > in today's Tour - totally bull****.
> > >
> > > > I was riding up ventoux while you were doing the Macarena,
got it?
> > >
> > > What's up with that? For which team in the TDF were you
"riding up the
> > > ventoux" on? The only "riding up the ventoux" you were doing
was as a
> > > tourist on a triple chain ring with a 29 on the back. Now that
is an
> > > embarrassment.
> > Buzz - get back to the your place as Cat 6 pack fodder. The
point here
> > is that these guys are a bunch of Bandwagoners. I can't vouch
for
> > Chief's gearing, but there are plenty of folks who ride the
mountains as
> > some pretty intense training over there prior to stages (myself
> > included). Let Chief speak for himself - but if he's not the RBR
fattie
> > that you accuse him of - then you have come up with a total of
ZERO
> > valid points. Sorry chump (if he does ride a triple with a 29,
then yeah
> > - that's a bit embarassing).
> > -a (rode Ventoux in a 39-23 carrying a messenger bag)
>
> my credentials are these- my mother is french and i have lived in
france
> off and on, and i raced all the way back in the day in colorado
against
> eric heiden, the 7-11 guys, and once against greg lemond- (he lapped
me
> at least twice). though Breaking Away is cheesy, i must admit it did
> make me feel good about being a cyclist way back in the day. I voted
> against both Bush and Shrub. all that said, i must come to the
defense
> of the Cutters. i happened to stand with them on the final day and
> through them my fourteen year old was able to shake lance's hand. we
> moved down near them 8 hours before the race as they set up. i
didn't
> know who they were at that point, but i knew they were going to be
fun
> to watch the finish with. and they were. yes they were a bit like a
> dorky r rated comedy at times, but they were funny and generous and
> 'real' supporters of lance. by the end of the day it was a pretty
wild
> party, with several west pointers just back from iraq and a hord of
> others. I met, among others an asian-american from manhattan, an
african
> american from california, a hispanic american form san diego. some
knew
> load about what they were seeing others very little. but i must say
that
> no one was disrespectful or harsh. the loudest post cheer came for
> ullrich and he acknowledged it with a huge smile. I think the
original
> poster is just a bitter loser- someone who gets off on thinking of
> himself as 'in' and wanting to keep others 'out'. All i know is that
> lance armstrong loved the support and it was a great blast to both
sing
> the national anthem with my fellow statesmen and women, and also to
go
> home that night and enjoy a fabulous french wine. vive la tour!
:eek:
>
>
>
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>

[TritonRider]

>From: "Tom Kunich"

>Nice posting but the best wines come from California now.
>

Not unless they have imported the Rheingau.
Bill C

[Your Momma]

This is from the Bobby Julich message board...

Wed Jun 25 22:56:23 EDT 2003
Posted by CUTTERS from Philly, PA USA
Bobby....it just wont be the same with out. You have been one of the
highlights of my Tour de France trips the last 2 years. 1998 was the first
year i really went nuts for the tour and you were the reason why.
well, i guess i'll just have to travel to worlds to see you. and then
TdF2004...if you dont get selected...i may boycot. you definatley had the
results, despite several injuries...
see you on a hill soon bobby....running all the way.


When you do a properties of this dickheads Cutters name you get this email
address.


Feel free to email this dweeb.....

"Tim Lines" > wrote in message
news:gEhXa.41380$Oz4.12156@rwcrnsc54...
>
>
> TritonRider wrote:
> >>From: "Tom Kunich"
> >
> >
> >>Nice posting but the best wines come from California now.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Not unless they have imported the Rheingau.
> > Bill C
> I'm pretty sure the Marines landed there and took it over a coupla weeks
> back. So not imported, just annexed. You probably missed it. They
> snuck it in during the TdF so all the liberal, gas saving, bike riding
> geeks would miss it.
>

[Kevin Greene]

I am a cutter as is my son...we had a great time hanging with these guys
in France the last 2 years...unlike the bitter morons who kicked off
this discussion- the cutters love France,love our sport and are a true
joy to be around...my son David and myself are happy to call them
friends...i have been around this sport for 18 years...like all humanity
it is full of pious lunatics who hate like hell to see others have a
good time as well as those who can fully appreciate what a gift it is to
be in france...to see this great event...just a word to matt...matt i am
from philly and would be happy any day,any time to help you gain some
much needed humility on the manayunk wall...you name the time...we both
know how that would turn out...as for whoever the chief is...I was on
the ventoux 2 years ago...funny...i did not see you



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[Boyd Speerschneider]

Kevin Greene > wrote in news:3fac2546$1_3
@news.chariot.net.au:

> I am a cutter as is my son...we had a great time hanging with these guys
> in France the last 2 years...unlike the bitter morons who kicked off
> this discussion- the cutters love France,love our sport and are a true
> joy to be around...my son David and myself are happy to call them
> friends...i have been around this sport for 18 years...like all humanity
> it is full of pious lunatics who hate like hell to see others have a
> good time as well as those who can fully appreciate what a gift it is to
> be in france...to see this great event...just a word to matt...matt i am
> from philly and would be happy any day,any time to help you gain some
> much needed humility on the manayunk wall...you name the time...we both
> know how that would turn out...as for whoever the chief is...I was on
> the ventoux 2 years ago...funny...i did not see you

So...

You make your living cutting rock in quarries?

Because that's what a cutter is... not a poser that has his wealthy parents
fly him to France in July; then proceeds to make an ass of himself, making
other Americans look bad.

*Real* cutters are lucky to afford luxuries like food and shelter let alone
a plane ticket to France. I'm halfway sensitive to this fact as I grew up
not far from Bloomington, IN. I have some appreciation for the real deal.

- Boyd S.
hates posers... especially "Cutters" posers

[chiefhiawatha]

In article >, Kevin Greene
> wrote:

> I am a cutter as is my son...we had a great time hanging with these guys
> in France the last 2 years...unlike the bitter morons who kicked off
> this discussion- the cutters love France,love our sport and are a true
> joy to be around...my son David and myself are happy to call them
> friends...i have been around this sport for 18 years...like all humanity
> it is full of pious lunatics who hate like hell to see others have a
> good time as well as those who can fully appreciate what a gift it is to
> be in france...to see this great event...just a word to matt...matt i am
> from philly and would be happy any day,any time to help you gain some
> much needed humility on the manayunk wall...you name the time...we both
> know how that would turn out...as for whoever the chief is...I was on
> the ventoux 2 years ago...funny...i did not see you

Really? Among the thousands of people, you didn't see me? Maybe
your stupid shark got in the way.

[Carl Sundquist]

"Kevin Greene" > wrote in message
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What is it with these cyclingforum guys who post something to a thread that died about 3
months ago?

This is like the third in the past month, although by different posters (I think).

[Amit]

Kevin Greene > wrote in message >...
> I am a cutter as is my son...we had a great time hanging with these guys
> in France the last 2 years...unlike the bitter morons who kicked off
> this discussion- the cutters love France,love our sport and are a true
> joy to be around...my son David and myself are happy to call them
> friends...i have been around this sport for 18 years...like all humanity
> it is full of pious lunatics who hate like hell to see others have a
> good time as well as those who can fully appreciate what a gift it is to
> be in france...to see this great event...just a word to matt...matt i am
> from philly and would be happy any day,any time to help you gain some
> much needed humility on the manayunk wall...you name the time...we both
> know how that would turn out...as for whoever the chief is...I was on
> the ventoux 2 years ago...funny...i did not see you

Dumabass,

Bicycling called, they want their readers back.

[Richard Adams]

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "Kevin Greene" > wrote in message
> ...
> << snip >>
>
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>
>
> What is it with these cyclingforum guys who post something to a thread that died about 3
> months ago?
>
> This is like the third in the past month, although by different posters (I think).

Really...

slow...

feeds...

BTW I've noticed Google->Groups takes about 3 hours for a posting to
appear on there. Glad my ISP has news.

[Fred Marx]

... Glad my ISP has news.
>

ditto I am really pleased that mine will go through the hassle to
maintain a news server.

[Carl Sundquist]

Richard Adams wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
> >
> > What is it with these cyclingforum guys who post something to a thread
> > that died about 3 months ago?
> >
> > This is like the third in the past month, although by different
> > posters (I think).
> Really...
> slow...
> feeds...
> BTW I've noticed Google->Groups takes about 3 hours for a posting to
> appear on there. Glad my ISP has news.



Not that slow.

(Sent at 9:10 am central time)



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[Kevin Greene]

Boyd...my parents are not wealthy- I worked to earn the $ to go and that
you are sensitive to the struggles of real cutters is heart
warming...you miss the point of course...sounds as if you are
bitter...ride more...it helps to drain away all that anger



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[Ewoud Dronkert]

On 9 Nov 2003 02:35:36 +1050, Kevin Greene wrote:
> ride more...it helps to drain away all that anger

You should too, to relax that nervous twitching whenever you hit the
full stop key.

[Nick Burns]

"Carl Sundquist" > wrote in message
...
> Richard Adams wrote:
> > Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > >
> > > What is it with these cyclingforum guys who post something to a
thread
> > > that died about 3 months ago?
> > >
> > > This is like the third in the past month, although by different
> > > posters (I think).
> > Really...
> > slow...
> > feeds...
> > BTW I've noticed Google->Groups takes about 3 hours for a posting to
> > appear on there. Glad my ISP has news.
>
>
>
> Not that slow.
>
> (Sent at 9:10 am central time)


It is not the latency at all that causes these articles to come in months
after the topic is dead here. The issue is the way the articles are
presented with the web interface. As you can see, they show up here the same
day they are posted. The articles are broken down by category, then
sub-category and only then by date (or age). Many articles are presented as
"fresh" thate are months old. When the users are browsing the topics, they
are just as likely to read articles that are months old as they are to find
the newer ones.

In addition, (this one is a guess) I am do not think that all of the
articles are even presented there. I think there is a moderator that decides
if and where to post them.





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[Andrew Martin]

Kevin Greene > wrote in message >...
> I am a cutter as is my son...we had a great time hanging with these guys
> in France the last 2 years...unlike the bitter morons who kicked off
> this discussion- the cutters love France,love our sport and are a true
> joy to be around...my son David and myself are happy to call them
> friends...i have been around this sport for 18 years...like all humanity
> it is full of pious lunatics who hate like hell to see others have a
> good time as well as those who can fully appreciate what a gift it is to
> be in france...to see this great event...just a word to matt...matt i am
> from philly and would be happy any day,any time to help you gain some
> much needed humility on the manayunk wall...you name the time...we both
> know how that would turn out...as for whoever the chief is...I was on
> the ventoux 2 years ago...funny...i did not see you

The cutters guys give the US a bad name. That was the point.

You can happily return to training for your big "century" next year
along with the rest of the Cat 6's on this group.

-a

[Andrew Martin]

Kevin Greene > wrote in message >...

Sorry - I misspoke earlier...Cat 5:

http://www.pacycling.org/2003results/qcw.htm
Men's 4/5
1 Paul Incognito First State Velo Sport
2 Damien Colfer NHCC
3 Jack Basile Main Line Cycling
4 Joaquim Carvalho Quaker City Wheelmen
5 Sam Lark Team Focus
6 Charles Denton Red Rose Rockets
7 Edward Ficklin Team Focus
8 Rick Miller Quaker City Wheelmen
9 John Murphy Wissahickon
10 John Nyman Tri State Velo
11 Michael Weber Main Line Cycling
12 Chad Smeltzer First Capital Velo
13 Jeffrey Shumaker Unattached
14 ?
15 Robert Web LWA
16 Wally Wormley Unattached
17 ?
18 ?
19 ?
20 Neil Gussman European Tech
21 Matt Warner Quaker City Wheelmen
22 ?
23 Colton Valentine Unattached
24 David Frankford Main Line Cycling
25 Kevin Greene Quaker City Wheelmen
26 Mark Valentine Unattached

[Robert Chung]

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "Kevin Greene" > wrote in message
> ...
> << snip >>
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.cyclingforums.com
>
> What is it with these cyclingforum guys who post something to a thread
> that died about 3 months ago?
>
> This is like the third in the past month, although by different posters
> (I think).

I'd like to point out that my Schuey-Lance post got a cyclingforums
response after 10-1/2 months. I claim the record.

[Carl Sundquist]

"Robert Chung" > wrote in message
>
> I'd like to point out that my Schuey-Lance post got a cyclingforums
> response after 10-1/2 months. I claim the record.
>
>

And nicely timed, as well.

[Your Momma]

This is a guy who crashed training for a century by himself.

Anyone want to bet Lance Armstrong is his favorite rider. Next he will be
saying Armstrong is the best cyclist in the world.


"Andrew Martin" > wrote in message
om...
> Kevin Greene > wrote in message
>...
>
> Sorry - I misspoke earlier...Cat 5:
>
> http://www.pacycling.org/2003results/qcw.htm
> Men's 4/5
> 1 Paul Incognito First State Velo Sport
> 2 Damien Colfer NHCC
> 3 Jack Basile Main Line Cycling
> 4 Joaquim Carvalho Quaker City Wheelmen
> 5 Sam Lark Team Focus
> 6 Charles Denton Red Rose Rockets
> 7 Edward Ficklin Team Focus
> 8 Rick Miller Quaker City Wheelmen
> 9 John Murphy Wissahickon
> 10 John Nyman Tri State Velo
> 11 Michael Weber Main Line Cycling
> 12 Chad Smeltzer First Capital Velo
> 13 Jeffrey Shumaker Unattached
> 14 ?
> 15 Robert Web LWA
> 16 Wally Wormley Unattached
> 17 ?
> 18 ?
> 19 ?
> 20 Neil Gussman European Tech
> 21 Matt Warner Quaker City Wheelmen
> 22 ?
> 23 Colton Valentine Unattached
> 24 David Frankford Main Line Cycling
> 25 Kevin Greene Quaker City Wheelmen
> 26 Mark Valentine Unattached