Masters Natz - RESULTS?

[Andrew Martin]

Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week
of the fatties. Early reports say that my teammates picked up a
couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my teammate) Suz
Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her
gold. In the mixed Tandem 90+ (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and
Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.

I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem
TT (probably with Larry Shannon). Not much surprise there.

-a (not yet 30)

[Andy Coggan]

"Andrew Martin" > wrote in message
om...
> Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week
> of the fatties. Early reports say that my teammates picked up a
> couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my teammate) Suz
> Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her
> gold. In the mixed Tandem 90+ (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and
> Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.
>
> I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem
> TT (probably with Larry Shannon). Not much surprise there.

Thurlow "Turbo" Rogers waxed all of us with a 50:4X to win the 40-44 age
group. As you said, Bunselmeyer won the 45-49 age division, and (surprise,
surprise) Kent Bostick won the 50-54 with a mid-52 clocking.

Me, I hit a small stone and flatted with ~5 miles to go. :-(

Andy Coggan

[Kurgan Gringioni]

"Andy Coggan" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> "Andrew Martin" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week
> > of the fatties. Early reports say that my teammates picked up a
> > couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my teammate) Suz
> > Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her
> > gold. In the mixed Tandem 90+ (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and
> > Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.
> >
> > I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem
> > TT (probably with Larry Shannon). Not much surprise there.
>
> Thurlow "Turbo" Rogers waxed all of us with a 50:4X to win the 40-44 age
> group. As you said, Bunselmeyer won the 45-49 age division, and (surprise,
> surprise) Kent Bostick won the 50-54 with a mid-52 clocking.
>
> Me, I hit a small stone and flatted with ~5 miles to go. :-(






That's the Sure Indicator of the Masters Fattie, making excuses.




K. Gringioni


ps. I lost the Speedo bet because of a flat. I was going good too.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

"Mark Fennell" > wrote in message
om...


<nice race report snipped>


> Results:
> 1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
> 2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
> 3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
> 4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
> 5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.







I hope all you Dumbasses appreciate that I wore my rec.bicycles.racing
jersey.


Many thanks to Jeff Jones for finally coming through with the Pot Belge. It
was instrumental in getting the BMI down for this event.





K. Gringioni
rbr Masters National Champion

[Precious Pup]

Most excellent indeed.


Mark Fennell wrote:
>
> (Andrew Martin) wrote in message >...
> > Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week
> > of the fatties.
>
> 9 August 2003
>
> Louisville, KY (AP) – In what many observers called the most
> competitive Masters race in recent memory, Henry Chang of San Diego,
> CA won today's 2003 National Road Race Championship in the 40-44
> division. After 80 grueling kilometers, the race came down to a break
> of three, with Chang outsprinting companions Chris Walker and Chris
> Hahn, both of Santa Barbara CA. Completing a California sweep of the
> top-5 places were former professional racer Thurlow Rogers and Richard
> Meeker of the USPS Masters team.
>
> The action began immediately with time-trial specialists Andrew Coggan
> and Eric Sternlict attacking on the first lap of the ten-lap race.
> Within 10 km they had established a 50 second gap as none of the
> pre-race favorites were willing to chase. Former 7-11 professional
> Michael Carter stated "I raced the Tour de France. I'll be damned if I
> was going to pull a bunch of nobodies up to the break."
>
> For the next two laps, individual riders made sporadic efforts to
> bridge but none could get more than half way across to the smooth
> riding duo of Coggan and Sternlict. That is, until Chris Walker hit
> the front and pulled at 50 kmh for five minutes. Only four riders
> could hold Walker's wheel--Hahn, Rogers, Meeker, and Chang--and a 30
> second gap was quickly established over the shattering field.
>
> The group of five quickly caught and dropped the tiring early break.
> By the fifth lap they had nearly four minutes on the field and it was
> clear the winner would be one of the five.
>
> Then with 20 km to go, Chang abruptly stopped pulling. Numerous
> attempts to cajole him back into the rotation failed. As Hahn said
> afterward, "I yelled at him to pull through but he just looked back at
> me kind of sideways and said, 'Dumbass, I'm a sprinter. Shut up and
> pull'. I guess he said it so authoritatively that we just continued to
> pull him along even though I realize now it made no sense!"
>
> As they rode through the start-finish area to begin the bell lap, it
> became evident that Chang's negativity had permeated the rest of the
> break. Meeker had stopped pulling and Rogers had repeatedly taken him
> off the back during the prior lap. Walker, ever the sharp tactician,
> saw an opportunity to shed two of his main rivals. He attacked
> mercilessly on a small rise as Rogers and Meeker dangled five seconds
> behind. Walker's pace was so high that his ever-present, hanging
> string-of-snot whipped around and slapped Chang in the face. It was
> now a race of three.
>
> As the trio entered the final kilometer, Walker ramped up the pace
> hoping to crack the two sprinters, or, at least, to remove some of
> their snap. It didn't work. Hahn jumped at 300 meters and quickly
> passed Walker. Hahn recounted the sprint later, "I wound it up quickly
> to 65 kph. I looked under my arm at about 150 meters and saw Walker
> hanging tough on my wheel but I couldn't see Chang at all. I thought
> he must have blown big time. I knew Walker couldn't come back around
> as fast as I was going so I thought I had the vee. Then, out of
> nowhere seemingly, Chang was beside me. He was actually grinning at me
> all the way to the line." Video replay confirmed it, Chang had won by
> a tire width.
>
> Immediately after the finish, all 18 fans in attendance mobbed the
> ebullient winner. Chang gushed to nobody in particular, "I feel
> vindicated by this great victory. I've been preaching to the masses
> about the virtues of low body mass for bike racing, especially for
> anyone wanting to race at this high level. Once I got my BMI below
> that of Chris Walker, I knew I would be competitive. Plus, I used to
> race as a cat 2 in Southern California crits, so I knew I could sprint
> with any of these guys. I'm very pleased. Dumbasses, all of them."
>
> Results:
> 1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
> 2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
> 3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
> 4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
> 5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On 4 Aug 2003 18:49:38 -0700, Mark Fennell wrote: the POTM.

[K. J. Papai]

(Mark Fennell) wrote in message >...
> (Andrew Martin) wrote in message >...
> > Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week
> > of the fatties.
>
> 9 August 2003
>
> Louisville, KY (AP) ? In what many observers called the most
> competitive Masters race in recent memory, Henry Chang of San Diego,
> CA won...
>
> As the trio entered the final kilometer, Walker ramped up the pace
> hoping to crack the two sprinters, or, at least, to remove some of
> their snap. It didn't work. Hahn jumped at 300 meters and quickly
> passed Walker. Hahn recounted the sprint later, "I wound it up quickly
> to 65 kph. I looked under my arm at about 150 meters and saw Walker
> hanging tough on my wheel but I couldn't see Chang at all. I thought
> he must have blown big time. I knew Walker couldn't come back around
> as fast as I was going so I thought I had the vee. Then, out of
> nowhere seemingly, Chang was beside me. He was actually grinning at me
> all the way to the line." Video replay confirmed it, Chang had won by
> a tire width.

Brilliant. If only Coggan could write posts as interesting
as this!

Chang is now skinnier than Chris Walker?? Wow.

> Immediately after the finish, all 18 fans in attendance mobbed the
> ebullient winner. Chang gushed to nobody in particular, "I feel
> vindicated by this great victory. I've been preaching to the masses
> about the virtues of low body mass for bike racing, especially for
> anyone wanting to race at this high level. Once I got my BMI below
> that of Chris Walker, I knew I would be competitive. Plus, I used to
> race as a cat 2 in Southern California crits, so I knew I could sprint
> with any of these guys. I'm very pleased. Dumbasses, all of them."
>
> Results:
> 1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
> 2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
> 3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
> 4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
> 5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.

Congrats again Henri.

-Ken

[Bikerecker]

Louisville hosted a pretty good nats, from what I heard, although at least one
VERY strong 50+ rider got laid out by a MTB rider while checking out the
ultra-technical park RR venue. Poor David Leduc, who almost undoubtedly would
have cleaned clock in the RR like he did in the crit, got knocked down by an
errant knobby head, ending up in the hospital with broken ribs and other
internal stuff.
His Mercy Teammate, Randy Parker, didn't live up to his team's name, laying
waste in the 45+ RR, neatly following up on last year's 40+ crit demolition.
For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang will ever
be): There's always next year, when Louisvile will host em again.

Thurlow ****ed off at least one rider: Dave Grice, of Asheville, who had the
SECOND fastest TT of the Nats. But, he was also in the 40+ group, and was thus
denied a Gold. Next up for Grice (who trains more hours than many Pros despite
his job as a VP of investments for a large Firm and his burgeoning family):
Master's World's. Maybe the Pros will stay away from that one.

As for myself, rather than drive the 3 hours to Louisville for the 35+
shenanigans, I was on a hardcore weight loss regimen in the North Cascades, on
the Ptarmigan Traverse. Amazing how carrying all of your food for six days'
backcountry fun and sun whilst climbing assorted sizes and shapes of rock and
ice will shell off the LB's.
Only fell in one crevasse the whole time. Lucky for me, my large bike racing
hiney kept me from going all the way in...

Greg

[Kurgan Gringioni]

"warren" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Kurgan
> Gringioni > wrote:
>
> > "Bikerecker" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang
will
> > ever
> > > be):
> >
> >
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
> >
> > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior
1/2
> > rider.
>
> That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat
> 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are
> good aren't fat.



Dumbass -

Most of the masters aren't good.

[gwhite]

Bikerecker wrote:
>
> Louisville hosted a pretty good nats, from what I heard, although at least one
> VERY strong 50+ rider got laid out by a MTB rider while checking out the
> ultra-technical park RR venue. Poor David Leduc, who almost undoubtedly would
> have cleaned clock in the RR like he did in the crit, got knocked down by an
> errant knobby head, ending up in the hospital with broken ribs and other
> internal stuff.

Crashing is no excuse for sucking. At least, I think that's what a burnout
would say.

[warren]

In article >, Kurgan
Gringioni > wrote:

> "warren" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Kurgan
> > Gringioni > wrote:
> >
> > > "Bikerecker" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang
> will
> > > ever
> > > > be):
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dumbass -
> > >
> > > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
> > >
> > > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior
> 1/2
> > > rider.
> >
> > That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat
> > 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are
> > good aren't fat.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Most of the masters aren't good.

You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?

-WG

[gwhite]

warren wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Dumbass > wrote:
>
> > "warren" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > Dumbass > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Bikerecker" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner
> > > > > than Dumbass will ever be):
> > > >
> > > > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
> > > >
> > > > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than
> > > > the average Senior 1/2 rider.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master
> > > (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the average Sr 1/2 but the
> > > masters who are good aren't fat.
> >
> > Most of the masters aren't good.
>
> You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?

Because he has no answers that go beyond the thinnest surface. He just harps
and opens his mouth on a billion subjects. This is the age of the specialist,
and Dumbass thinks being a jackoff-of-all-trades is good enough.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

"warren" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Kurgan
> Gringioni > wrote:
>
> > "warren" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, Kurgan
> > > Gringioni > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Bikerecker" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H
Chang
> > will
> > > > ever
> > > > > be):
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dumbass -
> > > >
> > > > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
> > > >
> > > > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average
Senior
> > 1/2
> > > > rider.
> > >
> > > That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat
> > > 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are
> > > good aren't fat.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > Most of the masters aren't good.
>
> You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?



Dumbass -

I don't have data for that question and no one else does either. Who's done
a study of Masters Fatties?

My 15-20 lb. estimate is by eyeballing. I used to do 90% 1/2 races and when
I entered the odd Masters RR, it was pleasing to see all the fat asses in
the pack. The difference becomes even more evident as soon as the race
started heading uphill.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

"warren" > wrote in message
...
>
> But you were looking at plenty of Cat 3's-maybe they were the fat ones
> since you've said good masters (1,2's) are not fat. You keep saying
> they're fat because they're old, but the good ones are an exception to
> that, but you can't account for the fact that Cat 3,4,5 riders tend to
> be fatter no matter what their age.




Dumbass -

Most of the riders in masters races aren't 1/2.