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lokey
May 26th 05, 05:08 PM
What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too long
for it to digest before hitting the road?

I prefer hearty soups myself - minestroni, vegetable beef & barely, tomato
vegetable, etc. Soups seem to provide the best combination of nutrients,
energy and easy digestion.

--
'Whenever there is authority,
there is a natural inclination to disobedience.'
-thomas c haliburton

Bill Sornson
May 26th 05, 05:09 PM
lokey wrote:
> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around
> too long for it to digest before hitting the road?
>
> I prefer hearty soups myself - minestroni, vegetable beef & barely,
> tomato vegetable, etc. Soups seem to provide the best combination of
> nutrients, energy and easy digestion.

Big red apple, followed by Bazooka Joe bubblegum wrapped around a fireball.

Keep your dentist on speed dial...

Mercury Mouth Murphy

SlowRider
May 26th 05, 07:09 PM
There was an article on this very subject recently on VeloNews.

http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/7985.0.html

I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but it seems reasonable. I like
the idea of pancakes in the afternoon if I'm doing an evening ride.
:-)


-JR

Roy Owen
May 26th 05, 07:15 PM
lokey wrote:
> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too long
> for it to digest before hitting the road?
>
> I prefer hearty soups myself - minestroni, vegetable beef & barely, tomato
> vegetable, etc. Soups seem to provide the best combination of nutrients,
> energy and easy digestion.
>
> --
> 'Whenever there is authority,
> there is a natural inclination to disobedience.'
> -thomas c haliburton
>
>
What kind of ride, long easy, short hard, or somewhere in the middle.
What are you trying to accomplish on the ride? Is it a training ride or
a race? Lots of things to consider.

--
Roy Owen

Keep the leather side up,
and the rubber side down.

Tom Keats
May 26th 05, 07:56 PM
In article >,
"lokey" > writes:
>
> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too long
> for it to digest before hitting the road?

Latkes. But not too many.


cheers,
Tom

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Peter Cole
May 26th 05, 08:19 PM
lokey wrote:
> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too long
> for it to digest before hitting the road?
>
> I prefer hearty soups myself - minestroni, vegetable beef & barely, tomato
> vegetable, etc. Soups seem to provide the best combination of nutrients,
> energy and easy digestion.

I never eat before I ride unless it's going to be more than a couple
hours of hard riding. Everybody should have enough stored energy to do
that easily. Eat after you ride so it won't b sloshing around in your
stomach.

John
May 26th 05, 09:44 PM
lokey wrote:
> What's the best food for pre-ride

For me, I have a fresh fruit shake, also know as smoothies
nowadays. I use pasteurized orange juice (not from concentrate), a
fresh banana, fresh frozen peaches, fresh frozen blueberries, honey and
ice. Put it all in a blender then drink it up, yummy. I have another
smoothie when I'm done with my ride too. If I'm real hungry before a
ride I'll have an egg sandwich with salsa or tuna fish sandwich with
salsa depending on what time of day it is.

John

bryanska
May 26th 05, 10:30 PM
I drink the blood of young runaways.

Ken
May 27th 05, 12:01 AM
"lokey" > wrote in
:
> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too
> long
> for it to digest before hitting the road?

banana

lokey
May 27th 05, 12:47 AM
"Roy Owen" > wrote in message
...
> lokey wrote:
>> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too
>> long for it to digest before hitting the road?
>>
>> I prefer hearty soups myself - minestroni, vegetable beef & barely,
>> tomato vegetable, etc. Soups seem to provide the best combination of
>> nutrients, energy and easy digestion.
>>
>> --
>> 'Whenever there is authority,
>> there is a natural inclination to disobedience.'
>> -thomas c haliburton
> What kind of ride, long easy, short hard, or somewhere in the middle. What
> are you trying to accomplish on the ride? Is it a training ride or a race?
> Lots of things to consider.

Well! [Patting myself on the back] I just did a metric century - 120 km to
be exact. It was on roads -some dirt, but mostly paved - a big loop around
town. Sorry to brag but I'm proud of myself. My first Met Cent this year.
And I'm doing it on a mountain bike with out slicks.

Anyways I had two omega3 eggs and whole wheat toast, coffee, for breakfast.
For lunch before I left, my own special concoction of soup: Minestrone with
chicken broth, extra extra mushrooms, garlic & onion. Plus some trail mix
nuts and raisins. I took along 3 litres of water with a touch of cranberry
juice. And I finished it! Gorgeous day!

I seemed to have enough energy. To be honest I stopped for an ice cream
once.

Nice thing I saw: A two lane black top county road with bicycle symbol and
the caution to autos to share the road.

Not so nice thing: A number of cyclist on the wrong side of the road.

All in all a good day.

--
'A person who never made a mistake
never tried anything new.' -albert einstein

Bill Sornson
May 27th 05, 01:17 AM
lokey wrote:
> "Roy Owen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> lokey wrote:
>>> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around
>>> too long for it to digest before hitting the road?
>>>
>>> I prefer hearty soups myself - minestroni, vegetable beef & barely,
>>> tomato vegetable, etc. Soups seem to provide the best combination
>>> of nutrients, energy and easy digestion.
>>>
>>> --
>>> 'Whenever there is authority,
>>> there is a natural inclination to disobedience.'
>>> -thomas c haliburton
>> What kind of ride, long easy, short hard, or somewhere in the
>> middle. What are you trying to accomplish on the ride? Is it a
>> training ride or a race? Lots of things to consider.
>
> Well! [Patting myself on the back] I just did a metric century - 120
> km to be exact. It was on roads -some dirt, but mostly paved - a big
> loop around town. Sorry to brag but I'm proud of myself. My first Met
> Cent this year. And I'm doing it on a mountain bike with out slicks.
>
> Anyways I had two omega3 eggs and whole wheat toast, coffee, for
> breakfast. For lunch before I left, my own special concoction of
> soup: Minestrone with chicken broth, extra extra mushrooms, garlic &
> onion. Plus some trail mix nuts and raisins. I took along 3 litres of
> water with a touch of cranberry juice. And I finished it! Gorgeous
> day!
>
> I seemed to have enough energy. To be honest I stopped for an ice
> cream once.
>
> Nice thing I saw: A two lane black top county road with bicycle
> symbol and the caution to autos to share the road.
>
> Not so nice thing: A number of cyclist on the wrong side of the road.
>
> All in all a good day.

Congrats on the (62.5) milestone!

If what you're doing is working, then keep on doing it.

(Especially the ice cream stop.)

Good going, BS (no, seriously)

Bill Sornson
May 27th 05, 01:19 AM
bryanska wrote:

> I drink the blood of young runaways.

My Bazooka Joe w/fireball not good enough for you?

Jim Smith
May 27th 05, 01:20 PM
"bryanska" > writes:

> I drink the blood of young runaways.

I will no longer feel guilty after my fig-fed ortolan drowned in
Armagnac.

Maggie
May 27th 05, 01:42 PM
>
> I never eat before I ride unless it's going to be more than a couple
> hours of hard riding. Everybody should have enough stored energy to do
> that easily. Eat after you ride so it won't b sloshing around in your
> stomach.

I will never eat breakfast again before my ride into work. I had
stomach cramps. I have no idea why. I think I will wait and eat my
breakfast when I get to the office. My digestion is terrible to begin
with. I think I am better off riding on my two cups of coffee and
waiting.

And it's not a long ride either. But there is a huge long hill. I am
trying to figure out how to get around the hill, but there is no
solution. I am in the valley of our town. There is no way out, but
up.

Maggie

Maggie

Michael Warner
May 27th 05, 02:46 PM
On Thu, 26 May 2005 12:08:02 -0400, lokey wrote:

> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too long
> for it to digest before hitting the road?

If it's only half an hour or so, boiled potato or rice is good. Almost-pure
simple carbs that are absorbed fairly quickly, but not as quickly as sugar.

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lokey
May 27th 05, 03:16 PM
"Bill Sornson" > wrote in message
...
> lokey wrote:
>> "Roy Owen" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> lokey wrote:
>>>> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around
>>>> too long for it to digest before hitting the road?
>>>>
>>>> I prefer hearty soups myself - minestroni, vegetable beef & barely,
>>>> tomato vegetable, etc. Soups seem to provide the best combination
>>>> of nutrients, energy and easy digestion.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 'Whenever there is authority,
>>>> there is a natural inclination to disobedience.'
>>>> -thomas c haliburton
>>> What kind of ride, long easy, short hard, or somewhere in the
>>> middle. What are you trying to accomplish on the ride? Is it a
>>> training ride or a race? Lots of things to consider.
>>
>> Well! [Patting myself on the back] I just did a metric century - 120
>> km to be exact. It was on roads -some dirt, but mostly paved - a big
>> loop around town. Sorry to brag but I'm proud of myself. My first Met
>> Cent this year. And I'm doing it on a mountain bike with out slicks.
>>
>> Anyways I had two omega3 eggs and whole wheat toast, coffee, for
>> breakfast. For lunch before I left, my own special concoction of
>> soup: Minestrone with chicken broth, extra extra mushrooms, garlic &
>> onion. Plus some trail mix nuts and raisins. I took along 3 litres of
>> water with a touch of cranberry juice. And I finished it! Gorgeous
>> day!
>>
>> I seemed to have enough energy. To be honest I stopped for an ice
>> cream once.
>>
>> Nice thing I saw: A two lane black top county road with bicycle
>> symbol and the caution to autos to share the road.
>>
>> Not so nice thing: A number of cyclist on the wrong side of the road.
>>
>> All in all a good day.
>
> Congrats on the (62.5) milestone!

Thanks. I've done longer rides - not this year though.

Oh, the incomprehensible thing I saw:

Not far outside of town a little crushed stone dust trail [4km] All kinds
of signage about respecting the environment and that this is a no-biking
trail, just walking and jogging. They have the red circle & slash
international symbol. Ok. They also list sponsors. Among them is the local
off-road cycling association.

WTF?!?!?

I've got nothing against non-biking trails. But why is the offroad cycling
group sponsoring it? The trails up at the like are posted fro all to use
but it is noted that they are primarily for off-road cycling.

Why is the offroad cycling group sponsoring this trail and why can't this
little trail have the same sense of sharing and inclusiveness of dedicated
offroad cycling trails?

--
'You keep using that word?
I dinna think it means
what you think it means.' -inigo montoya

Bill Sornson
May 27th 05, 04:14 PM
Maggie wrote:

> I will never eat breakfast again before my ride into work. I had
> stomach cramps. I have no idea why. I think I will wait and eat my
> breakfast when I get to the office. My digestion is terrible to begin
> with. I think I am better off riding on my two cups of coffee and
> waiting.

That's all you need in the AM. Munch a little fruit bar if necessary, or
just ride on 'E' until you get to work.

> And it's not a long ride either. But there is a huge long hill. I am
> trying to figure out how to get around the hill, but there is no
> solution. I am in the valley of our town. There is no way out, but
> up.

You will grow to love that hill.

{pause}

ON THE WAY HOME, ANYWAY!

(Instead of dread, try "attacking" the hill each morning. Goal is to
CONQUER it -- render it merely part of the ride and no obstacle to enjoyment
whatsoever. Gears are your friends.)

Bill "easy for me to say; I work from home" S.

gds
May 27th 05, 04:36 PM
Peter Cole wrote:
>> I never eat before I ride unless it's going to be more than a couple
> hours of hard riding. Everybody should have enough stored energy to do
> that easily. Eat after you ride so it won't b sloshing around in your
> stomach.


Interesting! I always eat before any workout. I find that I do much
better with food ready to burn rahter than having the body depend on
burning stored energy.

For short morning rides- 2 hours or less- I eat a regular light
breakfast- mostly carb based. But if I'm going to have a long ride or a
very intensive workout I make sure to add extra protein. Usually that
means eggs but peanut butter seems to work as well. I'm no expert on
digestive science but my experience is that extra protein seems to keep
my energy level up at a higher level for longer periods of time than
does my normal carb focused breakfast.

But I also agree that eating after the workout-especially carbs is
improtant to reload your body and promote recovery.

Some folks I know have suggested that I only cycle so that I can have
the excuse to eat everything I want and still not gain weight. I'm sure
my motivation is much more pure.

OughtFour
May 27th 05, 04:56 PM
lokey wrote:
> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too
long
> for it to digest before hitting the road?

I like

(1) nothing, or

(2) oatmeal. (The real steel-cut groats, not rolled oats. With dried fruit
and nuts.) But only if I've got a good 45-60 minutes between eating and
riding; otherwise see (1). Add soy sausage for long rides.

And in either case, bring something with.

Matt O'Toole
May 27th 05, 07:55 PM
gds wrote:

> But if I'm going to have a long ride or
> a very intensive workout I make sure to add extra protein. Usually
> that means eggs but peanut butter seems to work as well. I'm no
> expert on digestive science but my experience is that extra protein
> seems to keep my energy level up at a higher level for longer periods
> of time than does my normal carb focused breakfast.

Peanut butter is great -- a lot of not-unhealthy calories without a lot of bulk.
Peanut butter does have some protein, but most of the calories are still from
fat and carbohydrate.

PB&J sandwiches are great on-bike food, as long as they're made from good,
dense, whole-grain bread -- for both nutritional and durability reasons! Since
this works well for me, I've been trying to find a way to get more protein into
a PB&J. Well, I think I found the answer -- make it on French toast! You can
leave out the yolks if you're afraid of the animal fat and cholesterol. It's
tasty, protein packed, and more durable than a plain PB&J. You can keep your
dollar-fifty energy bars! (Though I do like Clif bars.)

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole
May 27th 05, 08:06 PM
OughtFour wrote:

> (2) oatmeal. (The real steel-cut groats, not rolled oats. With dried
> fruit and nuts.) But only if I've got a good 45-60 minutes between
> eating and riding; otherwise see (1).

Try doing steel-cut oats overnight in a Crock Pot. You'll be amazed. The
problem is finding these at a reasonable price. The ubiquitious McCann's is a
racket at $4-7 per 28oz can.

Matt O.

gds
May 27th 05, 09:33 PM
Matt O'Toole wrote:
I've been trying to find a way to get more protein into
> a PB&J.


Not that I seriously reccommend this but when my son was 5 and we let
him make his own lunch to take to school he came up with a--PB&J and
Balogna & cheese all together. It'll meet your extra protein
requirement but I never had the guts to try it myself.

Matt O'Toole
May 27th 05, 10:14 PM
gds wrote:

> Matt O'Toole wrote:

> I've been trying to find a way to get more protein into
>> a PB&J.

> Not that I seriously reccommend this but when my son was 5 and we let
> him make his own lunch to take to school he came up with a--PB&J and
> Balogna & cheese all together. It'll meet your extra protein
> requirement but I never had the guts to try it myself.

That's almost like my sister's childhood favorite, grilled cheese and jelly. Or
a friend's tuna and jelly.

Matt O.

Peter Cole
May 27th 05, 11:31 PM
gds wrote:
>
> Peter Cole wrote:
>
>>>I never eat before I ride unless it's going to be more than a couple
>>
>>hours of hard riding. Everybody should have enough stored energy to do
>>that easily. Eat after you ride so it won't b sloshing around in your
>>stomach.
>
> Interesting! I always eat before any workout. I find that I do much
> better with food ready to burn rahter than having the body depend on
> burning stored energy.

It depends on the intensity. High intensity -- when you run out of
stored glycogen, you bonk. At any lower intensity, you're burning a mix
of glycogen and fat. Once you get down to 12-14 mph or so, you're
burning pure fat. I've done a double century without eating. If I'm
riding at my limit, I'm good for about 60 miles before I bonk. In
between those extremes, I can go all day on a PB&J every couple of hours.


> For short morning rides- 2 hours or less- I eat a regular light
> breakfast- mostly carb based. But if I'm going to have a long ride or a
> very intensive workout I make sure to add extra protein. Usually that
> means eggs but peanut butter seems to work as well. I'm no expert on
> digestive science but my experience is that extra protein seems to keep
> my energy level up at a higher level for longer periods of time than
> does my normal carb focused breakfast.

I don't see a true need for protein, it just gets converted to glycogen,
producing some urea as a byproduct. It's just a matter of what tastes
good and sits well. When I'm all-day riding I don't eat any different
than any other time. You can ride forever on pure carbs, it just isn't
very pleasant. Hard to get protein without a lot of fat, especially when
you're eating in convenience stores. Sometimes I'll just chug low-fat
chocolate mile a quart at a time -- fluids, carbo and protein.

> But I also agree that eating after the workout-especially carbs is
> improtant to reload your body and promote recovery.

I don't worry about that. I'm not on a rigorous training schedule. Even
multi-day tours seem to not require anything more than eating regular
meals. After a very hard ride I often don't feel like eating for hours.
When I'm riding multiple days in a row, by the end of the second day my
eating seems to increase noticeably, other than that it doesn't change.

> Some folks I know have suggested that I only cycle so that I can have
> the excuse to eat everything I want and still not gain weight. I'm sure
> my motivation is much more pure.

Yeah, I hear a lot of the "ride to eat" argument, but I know very few
people at their ideal weight, including many/most of the cyclists I
know. The other thing is that eating crap is bad for you, no matter how
far or fast you ride. I was kind of shocked to find my blood numbers
weren't so good several years ago even though my weight was at ideal and
I was riding hard several times a week. I had to clean up my diet.
Numbers are way better now. I got the Ed Burke wake up call.

gds
May 27th 05, 11:48 PM
Peter Cole wrote:
>
> It depends on the intensity. High intensity -- when you run out of
> stored glycogen, you bonk. At any lower intensity, you're burning a mix
> of glycogen and fat. Once you get down to 12-14 mph or so, you're
> burning pure fat. I've done a double century without eating. If I'm
> riding at my limit, I'm good for about 60 miles before I bonk. In
> between those extremes, I can go all day on a PB&J every couple of hours.
>
>
I'm amazed you can do a DC wo any food. But agree with your basic
point(s)


> I don't see a true need for protein, it just gets converted to glycogen,
> producing some urea as a byproduct.

I find that protein just keeps me feeling more satisfied and with
higher energy for a longer time. I just assume that its becasue the
protein isn't digested and converted to glycogen as fast as carbs.

> I don't worry about that. I'm not on a rigorous training schedule. Even
> multi-day tours seem to not require anything more than eating regular
> meals. After a very hard ride I often don't feel like eating for hours.
> When I'm riding multiple days in a row, by the end of the second day my
> eating seems to increase noticeably, other than that it doesn't change.

When I am riding or training hard any other way I find that I must
seriously up caloric intake or I drop weight very fast (not water
weight)


> Yeah, I hear a lot of the "ride to eat" argument, but I know very few
> people at their ideal weight, including many/most of the cyclists I
> know. The other thing is that eating crap is bad for you, no matter how
> far or fast you ride. I was kind of shocked to find my blood numbers
> weren't so good several years ago even though my weight was at ideal and
> I was riding hard several times a week. I had to clean up my diet.
> Numbers are way better now. I got the Ed Burke wake up call.

I'm now 60 yo and 3 lbs over my high school wrestling weight. I'll
admit that the distribution isn't quite what it was but I'm still at
11% body fat. And I think the reason is that I don't eat junk as much
as the amount of training I do. If your blood number refer to is
cholestrol we can have a side conversation. I am firmly against the
current medical dogma of "every one should be on stains." There was
some very interesting research in the 1960's that really points to
different solutions.

Claire Petersky
May 28th 05, 12:36 AM
lokey wrote in message ...
>
> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too
long
>for it to digest before hitting the road?

My favorite mid-ride food is brown rice salad. It's a mix of steamed brown
rice and steamed vegetables. It's dressed either with lemon juice and olive
oil, or I've discovered even better, sesame oil and soy sauce. You can add
sesame seeds, a little garlic, herbs to taste. Brown rice is oomphy enough
to keep me going for a long ride, but is easily digestible. Add some bing
cherries for dessert, and you've got the perfect lunch at the 40 or 50 mile
mark.

Long ride breakfast is and has been now for years, cheese blintzes, cherry
jam, and tea. Unlike Peter C., the very few times I've ever ridden on an
empty stomach (even just 5 miles to meet friends for breakfast), I've really
regretted it.


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Jim Smith
May 28th 05, 04:30 AM
"Matt O'Toole" > writes:

> OughtFour wrote:
>
>> (2) oatmeal. (The real steel-cut groats, not rolled oats. With dried
>> fruit and nuts.) But only if I've got a good 45-60 minutes between
>> eating and riding; otherwise see (1).
>
> Try doing steel-cut oats overnight in a Crock Pot. You'll be amazed. The
> problem is finding these at a reasonable price. The ubiquitious McCann's is a
> racket at $4-7 per 28oz can.

Yes, but how do they compare to the aluminum or carbon cut oats?

Matt O'Toole
May 28th 05, 05:24 AM
Claire Petersky wrote:

> lokey wrote in message ...
>>
>> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around
>> too long for it to digest before hitting the road?
>
> My favorite mid-ride food is brown rice salad. It's a mix of steamed
> brown rice and steamed vegetables. It's dressed either with lemon
> juice and olive oil, or I've discovered even better, sesame oil and
> soy sauce. You can add sesame seeds, a little garlic, herbs to taste.
> Brown rice is oomphy enough to keep me going for a long ride, but is
> easily digestible. Add some bing cherries for dessert, and you've got
> the perfect lunch at the 40 or 50 mile mark.

Sounds good. It reminds me -- if you don't have time to cook rice, instant
couscous is pretty good, and takes 5 minutes at the most. It's great for salads
like that (tabouli, etc.)

Matt O.

Peter Cole
May 28th 05, 05:42 PM
Claire Petersky wrote:
>
> Long ride breakfast is and has been now for years, cheese blintzes, cherry
> jam, and tea. Unlike Peter C., the very few times I've ever ridden on an
> empty stomach (even just 5 miles to meet friends for breakfast), I've really
> regretted it.

If I ever ate cheese blintzes before a ride, I *know* I'd regret that.
My favorite breakfast is toast & jam, but only toast from whole wheat
bread I bake myself. Used to make the jam, too -- before kids.

I have to admit, your rice salad sounds nice, but as much as I've tried,
I've never been able to work up much enthusiasm for brown rice, so make
mine pasta salad (even whole wheat pasta).

Peter Cole
May 28th 05, 05:46 PM
Bonehenge wrote:
>>lokey wrote:
>>
>>> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around
>>>too long for it to digest before hitting the road?
>
>
> My favorite is PB&J on wheat, and maybe an apple or pear.

PB&J (I like wheat, too) is probably the world's most perfect cycling
food. My only gripe is that, when I eat them all day on tours,
inevitably the road turns upward as soon as I start. I've perfected the
technique of breathing hard around a PB&J dangling from my mouth (tip:
cut them in half when you make them; also, don't spread the filling to
the edges of the bread).

May 28th 05, 06:17 PM
lokey wrote:
> What's the best food for pre-ride if you don't want to wait around too long
> for it to digest before hitting the road?


The cleanest burning fuel I've found for immediately
starting to ride is a Clif bar and banana.

If I've got time, like a few hours, I like to load
up with pancakes, assorted fruit, a little bacon.

I'm not training for anything except beating my
riding buddies to the top of the next hill.

Robert

botfood
May 29th 05, 05:12 AM
seefood...


see food, eat it....

actually, I eat almost anything before a ride as long as its about an
hour before to give it time to get thru my stomach. Personal preference
is a couple eggs, toast, and sausage on special occasions. During a
ride I have been very happy lately with the Hammer products. Hammer gel
for short rides, and Perpetuem during long ones.

Tom Keats
May 29th 05, 05:41 AM
In article >,
Peter Cole > writes:

> I have to admit, your rice salad sounds nice, but as much as I've tried,
> I've never been able to work up much enthusiasm for brown rice

I think brown rice is kind of like scrambled eggs, in that once
you've perfected the cooking of it to your own taste, nobody else
cooks it as well as you do. But if you're lucky you can find
someone who cooks it close to your own level of perfection.

I like it as a substrate for Mediterranean salad.


cheers,
Tom

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Zoot Katz
May 29th 05, 06:04 AM
Sat, 28 May 2005 21:41:12 -0700, >,
(Tom Keats) wrote:

>I like it as a substrate for Mediterranean salad.

To my mind a Mediterranean salad is "Salad Nicoise"
--
zk

Ryan Cousineau
May 29th 05, 05:40 PM
In article om>,
"botfood" > wrote:

> seefood...
>
>
> see food, eat it....
>
> actually, I eat almost anything before a ride as long as its about an
> hour before to give it time to get thru my stomach. Personal preference
> is a couple eggs, toast, and sausage on special occasions. During a
> ride I have been very happy lately with the Hammer products. Hammer gel
> for short rides, and Perpetuem during long ones.

I have only one useful insight regarding pre-ride food:

Fried chicken is never the right answer.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

lokey
May 29th 05, 05:58 PM
Something else I noticed the day after my Thursday ride:

The ride and pre-ride food I already described. Post-ride, this would be
from... ohhhh... 19:00 on I feasted on watermelon.... As Homer Simpson would
say 'Mmmmmm! watermelon!' and had a quick dip and sauna.

After that I figured I earned a pizza for dinner - not the best pizza I
ever had. Very salty as I went heavy on the meat toppings.

Anyways the next day when I woke up I was parched. I haven't woken up that
dehydrated since my younger days when I might indulge in alcohol to excess -
Which I had none of that day.

Even though I had considerable water before the ride, 3 litres on the ride
and more that evening, I must have dehydrated myself more than usual.

--
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Don't count on me - what? Well, I'll do the best I can.
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It goes like this.' -janis joplin pre-ramble to mercedes benz

Bill Sornson
May 29th 05, 07:18 PM
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article om>,
> "botfood" > wrote:
>
>> seefood...
>>
>>
>> see food, eat it....
>>
>> actually, I eat almost anything before a ride as long as its about an
>> hour before to give it time to get thru my stomach. Personal
>> preference is a couple eggs, toast, and sausage on special
>> occasions. During a ride I have been very happy lately with the
>> Hammer products. Hammer gel for short rides, and Perpetuem during
>> long ones.
>
> I have only one useful insight regarding pre-ride food:
>
> Fried chicken is never the right answer.

Nor are Fritoes.

Bill "sp?" S.

Claire Petersky
May 29th 05, 08:43 PM
Bill Sornson wrote in message ...
>Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> In article om>,

>> I have only one useful insight regarding pre-ride food:
>>
>> Fried chicken is never the right answer.
>
>Nor are Fritoes.

My friend Lynne swears by Fritos as a ride food, and carries gobs of them on
centuries. All I can say is bleh.

After eating a barbecue beef sandwich at mile 100 and spewing it at 110 on
STP last year, I feel I can safely say that that wasn't the right answer,
either.

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
See the books I've set free at:
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Ryan Cousineau
May 30th 05, 08:04 AM
In article >,
"Claire Petersky" > wrote:

> Bill Sornson wrote in message ...
> >Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >> In article om>,
>
> >> I have only one useful insight regarding pre-ride food:
> >>
> >> Fried chicken is never the right answer.
> >
> >Nor are Fritoes.
>
> My friend Lynne swears by Fritos as a ride food, and carries gobs of them on
> centuries. All I can say is bleh.
>
> After eating a barbecue beef sandwich at mile 100 and spewing it at 110 on
> STP last year, I feel I can safely say that that wasn't the right answer,
> either.

Eeyugh! My current most regular pre-ride foods are peanut butter and jam
on toast (most often before my Saturday ride), and a single slice of
pizza, which is what I eat after work before riding ~30 km to my Tuesday
night crit. My post-race meal tends towards nice healthy wrap-type
things, but catch me at the wrong moment after that race and I'll eat
anything.

So Claire, when does your new bike arrive? I've already got one, and I
wasn't even expecting it.

Share & Enjoy,

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Claire Petersky
May 30th 05, 02:31 PM
Ryan Cousineau wrote in message ...

>So Claire, when does your new bike arrive? I've already got one, and I
>wasn't even expecting it.

It's at the shop now, pretty much ready to go. Originally I wanted it in
time for the 7 Hills of Kirkland Ride (http://www.7hillskirkland.com/) but
now I'm planning to ride with Rose down to Flaming Geyser State Park on the
tandem instead. So, after we're done riding, I'll run by the bike store and
pick it up.

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
See the books I've set free at:
http://bookcrossing.com/referr*al/Cpetersky

Jeff Starr
May 31st 05, 12:20 AM
On Mon, 30 May 2005 06:31:04 -0700, "Claire Petersky"
> wrote:

>Ryan Cousineau wrote in message ...
>
>>So Claire, when does your new bike arrive? I've already got one, and I
>>wasn't even expecting it.
>
>It's at the shop now, pretty much ready to go. Originally I wanted it in
>time for the 7 Hills of Kirkland Ride (http://www.7hillskirkland.com/) but
>now I'm planning to ride with Rose down to Flaming Geyser State Park on the
>tandem instead. So, after we're done riding, I'll run by the bike store and
>pick it up.

You must be getting excited. Because I know, even I am getting
excited;-)

Keep us posted.


Life is Good!
Jeff

OughtFour
May 31st 05, 03:42 PM
Matt O'Toole wrote:
> Try doing steel-cut oats overnight in a Crock Pot. You'll be amazed.

Or prep the night before by putting the oats to soak in the correct amount
of boiling water. Throw in raisins etc. if any. Turn off heat and leave
covered overnight.

In the morning bring to bubble and cook on low for 10 minutes.

Soaking substitutes for 30 min of cooking.

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