Re: John Roberts: Is there Any Limit to Human Arrogance?

[Westie]

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On 15 Sep 2005 03:48:18 -0700, "Coyoteboy" > wrote:
>
> .
> .Mike Vandeman wrote:
> .> John Roberts thinks that the Endangered Species Act is "unconstitutional"! Is
> .> there ANY limit to human arrogance? Life existed on this planet for 3.8 billion
> .> years, before humans ever thought of appearing.
> .
> .And before humans ever thought of appearing the earth was happy going
> .about a process of evolution and extinction of thousands of speciest,
> .including some that made new trails through the wilderness. What is it
> .that gives you the arrogance to assume you are correct in slowing this
> .proceedure by creating your 'habitat'?
>
> It's not arrogance, just basic conservation biology.

And you'd be qualified to know this,... ummmm, how?
--
Westie

[Mike Vandeman]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:53:48 +1200, Westie > wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> On 15 Sep 2005 03:48:18 -0700, "Coyoteboy" > wrote:
..>
..> .
..> .Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> .> John Roberts thinks that the Endangered Species Act is "unconstitutional"! Is
..> .> there ANY limit to human arrogance? Life existed on this planet for 3.8 billion
..> .> years, before humans ever thought of appearing.
..> .
..> .And before humans ever thought of appearing the earth was happy going
..> .about a process of evolution and extinction of thousands of speciest,
..> .including some that made new trails through the wilderness. What is it
..> .that gives you the arrogance to assume you are correct in slowing this
..> .proceedure by creating your 'habitat'?
..>
..> It's not arrogance, just basic conservation biology.
..
..And you'd be qualified to know this,... ummmm, how?

Study, like every other expert.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Westie]

Mike Vandeman wrote:

> .> It's not arrogance, just basic conservation biology.
> .
> .And you'd be qualified to know this,... ummmm, how?
>
> Study, like every other expert.

So now you're saying that you consider yourself to be an expert by
association?

How about you formalise that by actually getting a recognised
qualification like the real "experts"?

If you can't do that; how about you let your work be peer-reviewed by
other "experts" in the field?

Why do you refuse to let anyone review your research?
Why do you publish it, refer to it as "fact" and "proof" yet refuse to
let it be peer-reviewed?

Why do you not make it clear that you do not, and have never have had,
any qualification even remotely related the environment or conservation?

Without these things, you are a fake and a liar at worst and a
self-educated layman at best.
--
Westie

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:38:38 +1300, Westie > wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..
..> .> It's not arrogance, just basic conservation biology.
..> .
..> .And you'd be qualified to know this,... ummmm, how?
..>
..> Study, like every other expert.
..
..So now you're saying that you consider yourself to be an expert by
..association?
..
..How about you formalise that by actually getting a recognised
..qualification like the real "experts"?

Conveniently, you are unable to name even ONE such "expert" (HINT: they don't
exist).

..If you can't do that; how about you let your work be peer-reviewed by
..other "experts" in the field?
..
..Why do you refuse to let anyone review your research?
..Why do you publish it, refer to it as "fact" and "proof" yet refuse to
..let it be peer-reviewed?

I have no peers. There are no other experts on the environmental impact of
mountain biking.

..Why do you not make it clear that you do not, and have never have had,
..any qualification even remotely related the environment or conservation?
..
..Without these things, you are a fake and a liar at worst and a
..self-educated layman at best.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[manvedan]

Oh yeah... bicycles are so destructive!! I just rode mine & left a 5 mile
path of destruction & devestation in my wake!! The 10 million grains of
sand & 18 foxtails & were so much better off before....