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On 12/11/2018 13:44, Tom.Evans wrote:
On 12/11/2018 08:59, TMS320 wrote:

In France in 1973 there where 18000 deaths by motor vehicle. There are
now 3500 but traffic has doubled. That is a big shift in attitude -
and medical response.

Interestingly, the figures have levelled off over the last 10 years,
where the effect of NCAP should be seen. Making people feel too
comfortable, perhaps?

I seem to recall that there is evidence that people are willing to live
with a certain amount of risk and will adapt their behaviour to the risk
level.

The people that want to inflict helmets on cyclists aren't listening.

It may also be a mistake to seek easy solutions to minimise KSI figures
if the cost of doing so outweighs the benefits. For instance I'm
unconvinced that the change in behaviour that now requires children to
be driven to school rather than walking on their own was a good move.

It is said that it delays the ability to become road wise. Trussed up
tight in modern cars with tiny windows, they don't even get the
opportunity to look at the world outside.

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On 12/11/2018 20:13, TMS320 wrote:
On 12/11/2018 13:44, Tom.Evans wrote:
On 12/11/2018 08:59, TMS320 wrote:

In France in 1973 there where 18000 deaths by motor vehicle. There
are now 3500 but traffic has doubled. That is a big shift in attitude
- and medical response.

Interestingly, the figures have levelled off over the last 10 years,
where the effect of NCAP should be seen. Making people feel too
comfortable, perhaps?

I seem to recall that there is evidence that people are willing to
live with a certain amount of risk and will adapt their behaviour to
the risk level.

The people that want to inflict helmets on cyclists aren't listening...

....especially not to the bit about how much it makes the cylist look "a
tit"?

It may also be a mistake to seek easy solutions to minimise KSI
figures if the cost of doing so outweighs the benefits. For instance
I'm unconvinced that the change in behaviour that now requires
children to be driven to school rather than walking on their own was a
good move.

It is said that it delays the ability to become road wise. Trussed up
tight in modern cars with tiny windows, they don't even get the
opportunity to look at the world outside.

"Modern cars with tiny windows"?

Maybe on your planet.

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On 12/11/2018 22:23, JNugent wrote:
On 12/11/2018 20:13, TMS320 wrote:
On 12/11/2018 13:44, Tom.Evans wrote:
On 12/11/2018 08:59, TMS320 wrote:

In France in 1973 there where 18000 deaths by motor vehicle. There
are now 3500 but traffic has doubled. That is a big shift in
attitude - and medical response.

Interestingly, the figures have levelled off over the last 10 years,
where the effect of NCAP should be seen. Making people feel too
comfortable, perhaps?

I seem to recall that there is evidence that people are willing to
live with a certain amount of risk and will adapt their behaviour to
the risk level.

The people that want to inflict helmets on cyclists aren't listening...

...especially not to the bit about how much it makes the cylist look "a
tit"?

I haven't noticed any breast shaped helmets on sale.

It may also be a mistake to seek easy solutions to minimise KSI
figures if the cost of doing so outweighs the benefits. For instance
I'm unconvinced that the change in behaviour that now requires
children to be driven to school rather than walking on their own was
a good move.

It is said that it delays the ability to become road wise. Trussed up
tight in modern cars with tiny windows, they don't even get the
opportunity to look at the world outside.

"Modern cars with tiny windows"?

Well done. You have actually repeated something I wrote, rather than
making up something I didn't.

Don't confuse window aperture with glass area.

Maybe on your planet.

Yes.

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On 11/13/18 2:36 AM, JNugent wrote:
Bucharest seemed even more congested with long periods of traffic at a
standstill.

Never been there. Almost certainly never will.

If you get lost and go there please don't use a car if you want to get
anywhere.

I was again in Paris about 6 years ago, and what a transformation! There
seemed to be far fewer cars (whether they are officially discouraged I
don't know) and the drivers seemed much more courteous; waving others
on, giving way often and all that. Traffic lights were rather
irrelevant; cars, pedestrians, bicyclists etc just looked out for each
other and arranged themselves and generally went happily on their way.
And I could cross the Champs-Élysées and Place de l'Étoile on foot;
certainly not possible in 1973.

Go in August. It's a joy when so much of the traffic is on holiday, and
I expect that all the blue-marked "payant" spaces are still free in August.

I was there in June. No problems with traffic. Sure, red lights are just
for decoration, but everyone courteously looks out for everyone.

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On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 11:49:31 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:

I haven't noticed any breast shaped helmets on sale.

Fox hunting hooray Henries wear them.

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On 13/11/2018 10:34, wrote:
On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 11:49:31 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:

I haven't noticed any breast shaped helmets on sale.

Fox hunting hooray Henries wear them.

When the German army changed their helmets from the Pickelhaube to the
Stahlhelm in WW1 the spike went through its own evolution before it
completely disappeared.

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:12:00 -0800 (PST)
Simon Jester wrote:

We saved their Froggy asses in WWII, they would be speaking German if
it wasn't for us.

I'm fairly sure it was the Japanese who saved them (and us).

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:47:22 GMT, Rob Morley wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:12:00 -0800 (PST)
Simon Jester wrote:

We saved their Froggy asses in WWII, they would be speaking German if
it wasn't for us.

I'm fairly sure it was the Japanese who saved them (and us).


Vorsprung durch Technik as they say at Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan,
Suzuki, Toyota, etc.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

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On 14/11/2018 19:47, Rob Morley wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:12:00 -0800 (PST)
Simon Jester wrote:

We saved their Froggy asses in WWII, they would be speaking German if
it wasn't for us.

I'm fairly sure it was the Japanese who saved them (and us).

After the Germans had decided that Russia was a more interesting challenge.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...c ontent=asia

Traffic congestion in LA is relative, and seems much worse than it
really is.

The queues and slow traffic along the notorious 405 feel bad, but that's
because the user has an internal expectation that movement along a
freeway should be free-flowing.

The real test is whether you could do 50 or 60 miles in other
conurbations as easily as you can in LA. And you can't.

Musk applied the term "soul destroying" to traffic in LA. Has anyone heard it applied before to any other congested city?


Bret Cahill