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Roger Zoul July 25th 05 03:53 PM

TdF and DC: What would happen if...
 
.....one made one of the other top GC contenders of the TdF teamleader for
Discovery? Would that mean that person would be the next TdF winner, if
nothing else significant changed (apart from rider prep)? Who would be the
best choice?



J Jones July 25th 05 04:31 PM

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
....one made one of the other top GC contenders of the TdF teamleader for
Discovery? Would that mean that person would be the next TdF winner, if
nothing else significant changed (apart from rider prep)? Who would be
the best choice?

I think Jan would benefit the most, and could possibly pull off a win under
Johan's brilliant leadership. His committment has been suspect (at times),
but he might be able to be highly motivated by a good mentor. Personally,
I'd like to see it, but I know I won't.

However, I believe Jan has a great chance to win next year even w/T-Mobile
(depending upon team changes that might occur between now and then). I
think next year will be an intriguing tour w/Basso, Ullrich, and Vino (and
maybe Floyd and/or Levi?) having some good battles. Lance will be gone, but
that will result in closer competition next year. Should be fun. Although,
I'm going miss Lance laying waste to everyone! Lance had an amazing run,
and it was very enjoyable to witness it, no doubt.
Jeff



Mark Janeba July 25th 05 05:35 PM

J Jones wrote:

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...

....one made one of the other top GC contenders of the TdF teamleader for
Discovery? Would that mean that person would be the next TdF winner, if
nothing else significant changed (apart from rider prep)? Who would be
the best choice?


I think Jan would benefit the most, and could possibly pull off a win under
Johan's brilliant leadership. His committment has been suspect (at times),
but he might be able to be highly motivated by a good mentor. Personally,
I'd like to see it, but I know I won't.


Dunno about a Jan & Johan combination. There's no indication that Johan
ever had to motivate Lance, quite the opposite. Lance is
self-motivating, Johan gives advice, organizes the team, other stuff.
Jan, on the other hand, seems to have motivation problems, and Johan may
have little or no experience working with a team leader who needs
motivational help.

However, I believe Jan has a great chance to win next year even w/T-Mobile
(depending upon team changes that might occur between now and then).


It will be very interesting to see if Jan is more motivated next year or
less. On the plus side, everyone thinks his chances of winning go up
with Lance gone. On the down side, feeling less challenged won't help
his winter training motivation. Armstrong always said that Jan was what
"got him out of bed in the morning." Not sure what gets Jan out of bed.

No doubt, though, next year will be interesting. Never before has a
5-time winner left the sport abruptly; the sudden "vaccum" could have
all sorts of exciting consequences.

Mark


Steven L. Sheffield July 25th 05 07:17 PM

On 07/25/2005 09:31 AM, in article ,
"J Jones" wrote:

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
....one made one of the other top GC contenders of the TdF teamleader for
Discovery? Would that mean that person would be the next TdF winner, if
nothing else significant changed (apart from rider prep)? Who would be
the best choice?

I think Jan would benefit the most, and could possibly pull off a win under
Johan's brilliant leadership. His committment has been suspect (at times),
but he might be able to be highly motivated by a good mentor. Personally,
I'd like to see it, but I know I won't.



I don't think so ... Lance was the leader of that team, not Johan ... Not
really.

Jan Ullrich with Bjarne Riis's motivational powers would be unstoppable,
though ... But Riis has Basso, and Ullrich's got management that needs to
crawl off into a corner and die.



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Geraard Spergen July 25th 05 07:17 PM


"Mark Janeba" wrote No doubt, though,
next year will be interesting. Never before has a
5-time winner left the sport abruptly; the sudden "vaccum" could have
all sorts of exciting consequences.

Mark


Coppi did.



Mark Janeba July 25th 05 10:20 PM

Geraard Spergen wrote:

"Mark Janeba" wrote No doubt, though,
next year will be interesting. Never before has a

5-time winner left the sport abruptly; the sudden "vaccum" could have
all sorts of exciting consequences.

Mark



Coppi did.


Sorry, I meant a five-time TdFrance winner, but you have a good point.
What were the grand tours like the year after Coppi retired?

Mark


Geraard Spergen July 25th 05 11:04 PM


"Mark Janeba" wrote
Sorry, I meant a five-time TdFrance winner, but you have a good point.
What were the grand tours like the year after Coppi retired?

Mark


Bobet won the next three Tours in a row - third man to take three Tours,
first to do them in consecutive years. Maes and Thys were the others.


In Italy, Magni won another one but no other repeat winners for 9 years and
no three-peaters until Merckx.



Geraard Spergen July 25th 05 11:24 PM


"Geraard Spergen" wrote in message

In Italy, Magni won another one but no other repeat winners for 9 years

and
no three-peaters until Merckx.


Clarification - no "post Coppi" three-peaters.




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