Sad helmet incident
 

Girl, 4, died after bike helmet got caught on branch:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-51139789

She wasn't riding her bike at the time, but, being four years old, she
probably wasn't able to remove her own helmet.

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Sad helmet incident
 

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 9:05:10 AM UTC-8, Radey Shouman wrote:
Girl, 4, died after bike helmet got caught on branch:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-51139789

She wasn't riding her bike at the time, but, being four years old, she
probably wasn't able to remove her own helmet.

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Frank doesn't believe it and needs full photos and a copy of the police report.

Sad helmet incident
 

On 1/16/2020 12:05 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Girl, 4, died after bike helmet got caught on branch:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-51139789

She wasn't riding her bike at the time, but, being four years old, she
probably wasn't able to remove her own helmet.

Yes, there have been several of those. See
https://www.cyclehelmets.org/1227.html

Not all are fatal:
https://thestir.cafemom.com/breaking..._bloomington/1

For this reason, helmet promoters say kids should take off their helmet
immediately when they get off their bike. Then, since they are kids,
perhaps a few seconds later they may decide to get back on the bike and
must put their helmets on, to ride to Johnny's house. Then as soon as
they get to Johnny's house 100 yard down the street, they must take
their helmets off. But if Johnny isn't home and they want to ride to
Freddy's house, they must put them back on.

I'm don't know who this makes sense to.


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- Frank Krygowski

Sad helmet incident
 

On Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:26:05 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/16/2020 12:05 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Girl, 4, died after bike helmet got caught on branch:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-51139789

She wasn't riding her bike at the time, but, being four years old, she
probably wasn't able to remove her own helmet.

Yes, there have been several of those. See
https://www.cyclehelmets.org/1227.html

Not all are fatal:
https://thestir.cafemom.com/breaking..._bloomington/1

For this reason, helmet promoters say kids should take off their helmet
immediately when they get off their bike. Then, since they are kids,
perhaps a few seconds later they may decide to get back on the bike and
must put their helmets on, to ride to Johnny's house. Then as soon as
they get to Johnny's house 100 yard down the street, they must take
their helmets off. But if Johnny isn't home and they want to ride to
Freddy's house, they must put them back on.

I'm don't know who this makes sense to.


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- Frank Krygowski

That's an absolutely ridiculous post Frank.

Cheers

Sad helmet incident
 

On 1/16/2020 10:55 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:26:05 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/16/2020 12:05 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Girl, 4, died after bike helmet got caught on branch:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-51139789

She wasn't riding her bike at the time, but, being four years old, she
probably wasn't able to remove her own helmet.

Yes, there have been several of those. See
https://www.cyclehelmets.org/1227.html

Not all are fatal:
https://thestir.cafemom.com/breaking..._bloomington/1

For this reason, helmet promoters say kids should take off their helmet
immediately when they get off their bike. Then, since they are kids,
perhaps a few seconds later they may decide to get back on the bike and
must put their helmets on, to ride to Johnny's house. Then as soon as
they get to Johnny's house 100 yard down the street, they must take
their helmets off. But if Johnny isn't home and they want to ride to
Freddy's house, they must put them back on.

I'm don't know who this makes sense to.


--
- Frank Krygowski

That's an absolutely ridiculous post Frank.

That's a totally fact-free response.

What are you objecting to? The incidents where kids have been strangled
to death, or nearly to death? The demands that kids take off helmets as
soon as they dismount, and put them on as soon as they mount their
bikes? Or the behavior of kids in the real world?

--
- Frank Krygowski

Sad helmet incident
 

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 19:55:01 -0800, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

On Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:26:05 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:

For this reason, helmet promoters say kids should take off their helmet
immediately when they get off their bike. Then, since they are kids,
perhaps a few seconds later they may decide to get back on the bike and
must put their helmets on, to ride to Johnny's house. Then as soon as
they get to Johnny's house 100 yard down the street, they must take
their helmets off. But if Johnny isn't home and they want to ride to
Freddy's house, they must put them back on.

I'm don't know who this makes sense to.


--
- Frank Krygowski

That's an absolutely ridiculous post Frank.

Nope, it is just applying the manufacturer's arse cover to a reasonable
set of activites by kids, especially young kids. YMMV, but I've seen
similar rolling cicuses roll through here over time.

Cheers

Sad helmet incident
 

On Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:29:00 UTC-5, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 19:55:01 -0800, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

On Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:26:05 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:

For this reason, helmet promoters say kids should take off their helmet
immediately when they get off their bike. Then, since they are kids,
perhaps a few seconds later they may decide to get back on the bike and
must put their helmets on, to ride to Johnny's house. Then as soon as
they get to Johnny's house 100 yard down the street, they must take
their helmets off. But if Johnny isn't home and they want to ride to
Freddy's house, they must put them back on.

I'm don't know who this makes sense to.


--
- Frank Krygowski

That's an absolutely ridiculous post Frank.

Nope, it is just applying the manufacturer's arse cover to a reasonable
set of activites by kids, especially young kids. YMMV, but I've seen
similar rolling cicuses roll through here over time.

Cheers

What I thought was ridiculous was Frank's anecdote (notice he didn't quote or provide a link to it as he demands everyone else do when they post something) that children should remove, replace, remove their helmet so often. the time intervals that Frank gave were what I found to be ridiculous. YMMV

Cheers

Sad helmet incident
 

Frank Krygowski writes:

On 1/16/2020 10:55 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:26:05 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/16/2020 12:05 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Girl, 4, died after bike helmet got caught on branch:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-51139789

She wasn't riding her bike at the time, but, being four years old, she
probably wasn't able to remove her own helmet.

Yes, there have been several of those. See
https://www.cyclehelmets.org/1227.html

Not all are fatal:
https://thestir.cafemom.com/breaking..._bloomington/1

For this reason, helmet promoters say kids should take off their helmet
immediately when they get off their bike. Then, since they are kids,
perhaps a few seconds later they may decide to get back on the bike and
must put their helmets on, to ride to Johnny's house. Then as soon as
they get to Johnny's house 100 yard down the street, they must take
their helmets off. But if Johnny isn't home and they want to ride to
Freddy's house, they must put them back on.

I'm don't know who this makes sense to.


--
- Frank Krygowski

That's an absolutely ridiculous post Frank.

That's a totally fact-free response.

What are you objecting to? The incidents where kids have been
strangled to death, or nearly to death? The demands that kids take off
helmets as soon as they dismount, and put them on as soon as they
mount their bikes? Or the behavior of kids in the real world?

It didn't seem ridiculous to me. Clearly at least one life has been
lost, a tragedy for those affected. Blaming that on unrealistic
expectations for child helmet use isn't crazy.

Sad helmet incident
 

Sir Ridesalot writes:

On Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:29:00 UTC-5, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 19:55:01 -0800, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

On Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:26:05 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:

For this reason, helmet promoters say kids should take off their helmet
immediately when they get off their bike. Then, since they are kids,
perhaps a few seconds later they may decide to get back on the bike and
must put their helmets on, to ride to Johnny's house. Then as soon as
they get to Johnny's house 100 yard down the street, they must take
their helmets off. But if Johnny isn't home and they want to ride to
Freddy's house, they must put them back on.

I'm don't know who this makes sense to.


--
- Frank Krygowski

That's an absolutely ridiculous post Frank.

Nope, it is just applying the manufacturer's arse cover to a reasonable
set of activites by kids, especially young kids. YMMV, but I've seen
similar rolling cicuses roll through here over time.

Cheers

What I thought was ridiculous was Frank's anecdote (notice he didn't
quote or provide a link to it as he demands everyone else do when they
post something) that children should remove, replace, remove their
helmet so often. the time intervals that Frank gave were what I found
to be ridiculous. YMMV

Maybe it has been awhile since you observed a group of four year olds.
They have an attention span of well under a minute. I can easily
imagine a little girl riding down the sidewalk, seeing a tree and
climbing into it in less time than it takes you or me to get one leg
into our trousers in the morning.

Sad helmet incident
 

On 1/17/2020 2:01 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:29:00 UTC-5, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 19:55:01 -0800, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

On Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:26:05 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:

For this reason, helmet promoters say kids should take off their helmet
immediately when they get off their bike. Then, since they are kids,
perhaps a few seconds later they may decide to get back on the bike and
must put their helmets on, to ride to Johnny's house. Then as soon as
they get to Johnny's house 100 yard down the street, they must take
their helmets off. But if Johnny isn't home and they want to ride to
Freddy's house, they must put them back on.

I'm don't know who this makes sense to.


--
- Frank Krygowski

That's an absolutely ridiculous post Frank.

Nope, it is just applying the manufacturer's arse cover to a reasonable
set of activites by kids, especially young kids. YMMV, but I've seen
similar rolling cicuses roll through here over time.

Cheers

What I thought was ridiculous was Frank's anecdote (notice he didn't quote or provide a link to it as he demands everyone else do when they post something) that children should remove, replace, remove their helmet so often. the time intervals that Frank gave were what I found to be ridiculous. YMMV

Here's the statement from the U.S. CPSC:

"Consumer Product Safety Alert

From the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, Washington, D.C. 20207

Wear Bike Helmets On Bicycles -- Not on Playgrounds

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) warns that children
should not wear bike helmets when playing, especially on playground
equipment. CPSC has reports of two strangulation deaths to children when
their bike helmets became stuck in openings on playground equipment,
resulting in hanging. CPSC also has reports of four cases where no
injury occurred. In two of these cases the children were climbing trees,
and in the other two cases the children were on playground equipment.

Children should always wear helmets while riding their bikes. But when a
child gets off the bike, take off the helmet. There is a "hidden hazard"
of strangulation if a child wears a helmet while playing on playground
equipment.


Also, from https://www.helmets.org/cpscplay.htm

CPSC Chairman Ann Brown said, "Children should always wear a helmet
while riding their bikes. Helmet use can reduce the risk of head injury
by up to 85 percent* in the event of a crash. But when a child gets off
the bike, take off the helmet. There is a hidden hazard of strangulation
if a child wears a helmet while playing on playground equipment."


OK, Sir - "ALWAYS wear a helmet while riding their bikes." By
definition, "always" must include even short rides. And "When a child
gets off the bike, TAKE OFF THE HELMET." No delay was allowed.

Emphasis mine, of course.

(And BTW, the "85 percent" claim by Ann Brown has been officially ruled
false. But it's still being used by helmet promoters.)


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- Frank Krygowski