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I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators.. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out.
Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark |
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On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote:
I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. |
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On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:05:19 AM UTC+2, Mark cleary wrote:
I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark Life is too short to ride crappy tires. IMO the GP5000 are the best allround tire at the moment. Continental seems to be doing something right for more than a decade now. My gravel bike was delivered with WTB Riddler tires. They are good on gravel but I noticed that they suck on tarmac. My feeling was confirmed by RR measurements I found on the web. I put Continental Terra Speed tires on and that was a significant and very noticeable difference.. That Black Chili compound as Continental call it is some magical stuff. Lou |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. Roger Merriman |
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On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. Glued on or not a tire with a blown out side wall is probably asking to jam in the fork, I agree the general reasoning which is that tubs can be run flat, though as clinchers are apparently closed and overtaken in terms of rolling. The argument not to use tubless + sealant is looking weaker. Roger Merriman |
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On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:25:52 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim.. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. Glued on or not a tire with a blown out side wall is probably asking to jam in the fork, I agree the general reasoning which is that tubs can be run flat, though as clinchers are apparently closed and overtaken in terms of rolling. The argument not to use tubless + sealant is looking weaker. I ran tubies for many years when that was the only good tires you could get and I never once saw a slashed sidewall. I had one of those plastic stacking boxes full of tubies and a couple of years ago I put an add in Craigslist free for the taking and a dozen people contacted me within hours. And these weren't even racing tires - they were training tires. |
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On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 4:18:37 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:25:52 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. Glued on or not a tire with a blown out side wall is probably asking to jam in the fork, I agree the general reasoning which is that tubs can be run flat, though as clinchers are apparently closed and overtaken in terms of rolling. The argument not to use tubless + sealant is looking weaker. I ran tubies for many years when that was the only good tires you could get and I never once saw a slashed sidewall. I had one of those plastic stacking boxes full of tubies and a couple of years ago I put an add in Craigslist free for the taking and a dozen people contacted me within hours. And these weren't even racing tires - they were training tires. I’ve slashed the odd MTB tires and quite a few Gravel tires, on road no. Though being in various clubs etc, I’m aware it does happen. The places I've done most of my gravel riding have not been in places I would not watch the trail for sharp objects so I wouldn't call my off-road experience pertinent to tire slashes. I was speaking about road tires when I said that I never had a tire sidewall slashed. Now I absolutely have had the tread location slashed to the point the tire couldn't be repaired. This is why I stopped using tubeless. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 4:18:37 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:25:52 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. Glued on or not a tire with a blown out side wall is probably asking to jam in the fork, I agree the general reasoning which is that tubs can be run flat, though as clinchers are apparently closed and overtaken in terms of rolling. The argument not to use tubless + sealant is looking weaker. I ran tubies for many years when that was the only good tires you could get and I never once saw a slashed sidewall. I had one of those plastic stacking boxes full of tubies and a couple of years ago I put an add in Craigslist free for the taking and a dozen people contacted me within hours. And these weren't even racing tires - they were training tires. I’ve slashed the odd MTB tires and quite a few Gravel tires, on road no. Though being in various clubs etc, I’m aware it does happen. The places I've done most of my gravel riding have not been in places I would not watch the trail for sharp objects so I wouldn't call my off-road experience pertinent to tire slashes. I was speaking about road tires when I said that I never had a tire sidewall slashed. Now I absolutely have had the tread location slashed to the point the tire couldn't be repaired. This is why I stopped using tubeless. Most of the folks who have tire slashes etc, are roadies so generally blowouts, some due to potholes and the like others maybe manufacturing faults maybe mis use ie brake rub and such. Road tires are fairly fragile so not difficult to do so, very few folks I know have slashed MTB tires most folks are fundamentally over biked. And even XC bikes are fairly capable on the technical stuff now. Roger Merriman |
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On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 2:08:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 4:18:37 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:25:52 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. Glued on or not a tire with a blown out side wall is probably asking to jam in the fork, I agree the general reasoning which is that tubs can be run flat, though as clinchers are apparently closed and overtaken in terms of rolling. The argument not to use tubless + sealant is looking weaker.. I ran tubies for many years when that was the only good tires you could get and I never once saw a slashed sidewall. I had one of those plastic stacking boxes full of tubies and a couple of years ago I put an add in Craigslist free for the taking and a dozen people contacted me within hours. And these weren't even racing tires - they were training tires.. I’ve slashed the odd MTB tires and quite a few Gravel tires, on road no. Though being in various clubs etc, I’m aware it does happen. The places I've done most of my gravel riding have not been in places I would not watch the trail for sharp objects so I wouldn't call my off-road experience pertinent to tire slashes. I was speaking about road tires when I said that I never had a tire sidewall slashed. Now I absolutely have had the tread location slashed to the point the tire couldn't be repaired. This is why I stopped using tubeless. Most of the folks who have tire slashes etc, are roadies so generally blowouts, some due to potholes and the like others maybe manufacturing faults maybe mis use ie brake rub and such. Road tires are fairly fragile so not difficult to do so, very few folks I know have slashed MTB tires most folks are fundamentally over biked. And even XC bikes are fairly capable on the technical stuff now. Having a slash on the road surface of the tire is completely different from having a slash on the sidewall which is the trouble that Joerg has. His route to work goes over a very rough rocky path if I understand him correctly.. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 2:08:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 4:18:37 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:25:52 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. Glued on or not a tire with a blown out side wall is probably asking to jam in the fork, I agree the general reasoning which is that tubs can be run flat, though as clinchers are apparently closed and overtaken in terms of rolling. The argument not to use tubless + sealant is looking weaker. I ran tubies for many years when that was the only good tires you could get and I never once saw a slashed sidewall. I had one of those plastic stacking boxes full of tubies and a couple of years ago I put an add in Craigslist free for the taking and a dozen people contacted me within hours. And these weren't even racing tires - they were training tires. I’ve slashed the odd MTB tires and quite a few Gravel tires, on road no. Though being in various clubs etc, I’m aware it does happen. The places I've done most of my gravel riding have not been in places I would not watch the trail for sharp objects so I wouldn't call my off-road experience pertinent to tire slashes. I was speaking about road tires when I said that I never had a tire sidewall slashed. Now I absolutely have had the tread location slashed to the point the tire couldn't be repaired. This is why I stopped using tubeless. Most of the folks who have tire slashes etc, are roadies so generally blowouts, some due to potholes and the like others maybe manufacturing faults maybe mis use ie brake rub and such. Road tires are fairly fragile so not difficult to do so, very few folks I know have slashed MTB tires most folks are fundamentally over biked. And even XC bikes are fairly capable on the technical stuff now. Having a slash on the road surface of the tire is completely different from having a slash on the sidewall which is the trouble that Joerg has. His route to work goes over a very rough rocky path if I understand him correctly. Potholes and indeed brake rub, will impact the sidewall, other issue around here is you get the flint chips that are quite capable of slashing open a sidewall. Rocky stuff isn’t in of its self a problem but the type for example the sharp volcanic stuff you get in Tenerife will just slice though unprotected tires, particularly if your a bit heavy/wooden on the bike as roadies tend to be. Roger Merriman |
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On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:17:10 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 2:08:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 4:18:37 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:25:52 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. Glued on or not a tire with a blown out side wall is probably asking to jam in the fork, I agree the general reasoning which is that tubs can be run flat, though as clinchers are apparently closed and overtaken in terms of rolling. The argument not to use tubless + sealant is looking weaker. I ran tubies for many years when that was the only good tires you could get and I never once saw a slashed sidewall. I had one of those plastic stacking boxes full of tubies and a couple of years ago I put an add in Craigslist free for the taking and a dozen people contacted me within hours. And these weren't even racing tires - they were training tires. I’ve slashed the odd MTB tires and quite a few Gravel tires, on road no. Though being in various clubs etc, I’m aware it does happen. The places I've done most of my gravel riding have not been in places I would not watch the trail for sharp objects so I wouldn't call my off-road experience pertinent to tire slashes. I was speaking about road tires when I said that I never had a tire sidewall slashed. Now I absolutely have had the tread location slashed to the point the tire couldn't be repaired. This is why I stopped using tubeless. Most of the folks who have tire slashes etc, are roadies so generally blowouts, some due to potholes and the like others maybe manufacturing faults maybe mis use ie brake rub and such. Road tires are fairly fragile so not difficult to do so, very few folks I know have slashed MTB tires most folks are fundamentally over biked. And even XC bikes are fairly capable on the technical stuff now. Having a slash on the road surface of the tire is completely different from having a slash on the sidewall which is the trouble that Joerg has.. His route to work goes over a very rough rocky path if I understand him correctly. Potholes and indeed brake rub, will impact the sidewall, other issue around here is you get the flint chips that are quite capable of slashing open a sidewall. Rocky stuff isn’t in of its self a problem but the type for example the sharp volcanic stuff you get in Tenerife will just slice though unprotected tires, particularly if your a bit heavy/wooden on the bike as roadies tend to be. Roger, this entire string started with Mark and Lou saying that they made good mileage with the Continental GP5000's. That surprised me because I used them at first because they have terrific traction but they wear out on me in very short time and low mileage. And as soon as the tread wears down to being a little thin they get flats for the least reason. This isn't some guess or rumor - I have experienced it on 4 sets of GP5000's. I mentioned that these sorts of tires were no good for Joerg because he does partial gravel rides on his commute to work and gets sidewall flats on most road tires. Certainly Joerg is heavier than me and uses tires with sidewall protection all the way around the tire and not just on the traction surface like the Continental Gatorskin. I would use the Continental 4 Seasons if I could afford them since they seem to be a combination of every good feature of the entire Continental line, but at $88 a copy the last set I bought, I won't be buying them again. When I paid about the same for the Michelin tires on my car as 4 Seasons on my bike, it begins to be a little bit silly. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:17:10 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 2:08:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 4:18:37 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:25:52 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. Glued on or not a tire with a blown out side wall is probably asking to jam in the fork, I agree the general reasoning which is that tubs can be run flat, though as clinchers are apparently closed and overtaken in terms of rolling. The argument not to use tubless + sealant is looking weaker. I ran tubies for many years when that was the only good tires you could get and I never once saw a slashed sidewall. I had one of those plastic stacking boxes full of tubies and a couple of years ago I put an add in Craigslist free for the taking and a dozen people contacted me within hours. And these weren't even racing tires - they were training tires. I’ve slashed the odd MTB tires and quite a few Gravel tires, on road no. Though being in various clubs etc, I’m aware it does happen. The places I've done most of my gravel riding have not been in places I would not watch the trail for sharp objects so I wouldn't call my off-road experience pertinent to tire slashes. I was speaking about road tires when I said that I never had a tire sidewall slashed. Now I absolutely have had the tread location slashed to the point the tire couldn't be repaired. This is why I stopped using tubeless. Most of the folks who have tire slashes etc, are roadies so generally blowouts, some due to potholes and the like others maybe manufacturing faults maybe mis use ie brake rub and such. Road tires are fairly fragile so not difficult to do so, very few folks I know have slashed MTB tires most folks are fundamentally over biked. And even XC bikes are fairly capable on the technical stuff now. Having a slash on the road surface of the tire is completely different from having a slash on the sidewall which is the trouble that Joerg has. His route to work goes over a very rough rocky path if I understand him correctly. Potholes and indeed brake rub, will impact the sidewall, other issue around here is you get the flint chips that are quite capable of slashing open a sidewall. Rocky stuff isn’t in of its self a problem but the type for example the sharp volcanic stuff you get in Tenerife will just slice though unprotected tires, particularly if your a bit heavy/wooden on the bike as roadies tend to be. Roger, this entire string started with Mark and Lou saying that they made good mileage with the Continental GP5000's. That surprised me because I used them at first because they have terrific traction but they wear out on me in very short time and low mileage. And as soon as the tread wears down to being a little thin they get flats for the least reason. This isn't some guess or rumor - I have experienced it on 4 sets of GP5000's. That happens with most tires I’ve found, I replaced some Big Apples this winter for that reason. No idea how folks can clock up that sort of mileage on road tires I never found they lasted more than 2k. I mentioned that these sorts of tires were no good for Joerg because he does partial gravel rides on his commute to work and gets sidewall flats on most road tires. Certainly Joerg is heavier than me and uses tires with sidewall protection all the way around the tire and not just on the traction surface like the Continental Gatorskin. I would use the Continental 4 Seasons if I could afford them since they seem to be a combination of every good feature of the entire Continental line, but at $88 a copy the last set I bought, I won't be buying them again. Bit redundant since they are all out of stock! I did like the 4 Seasons but not sure enough that I’d pay the premium over a cheaper training tire, though I’d not touch Gatorskins unless you live somewhere very dry as living in a wet climate they are simply lacking in traction. When I paid about the same for the Michelin tires on my car as 4 Seasons on my bike, it begins to be a little bit silly. I pay more for my MTB tires and they don’t last huge mileages but also don’t do huge mileages. For that bike which is my Sunday best for “big days” out it’s fine as I want the performance, and will take the cost/wear hit. Roger Merriman. |
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On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 2:35:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:17:10 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 2:08:46 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 4:18:37 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:25:52 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark I couldn't understand when you said that you were getting 5,000 miles on those tires before since I could barely make 2,500, Using Michelin Pro4 of Vittoria Corsa G+ I get much better wear. I will say that the GP5000's do corner a lot better and if you want very good wear and cornering the Continental 4 Seasons are very good but very expensive. The Pro4's corner very nearly as well as the GP5000. Used to get, about 2k on various road tires, with the gravel tires get fair bit less, maybe 1.5k. Probably as gravel is abrasive plus the tires tend to be softer. But yes, new GP5000's do corner remarkably better than worn one's that have had the rubber age hardened. Though it used to be that you age hardened some tires to get them to corner well. (GP4000's?) As soon as the 5000's start getting flats it is time to replace them. I do a lot of climbing on the tires and descending they get a combination of high speed on lousy California pavement so perhaps this is why I would wear them out so rapidly. And like Joerg points out, do not use any tires with possible sidewall blowout problems. That can lead to a tire being thrown off of the rim. The reason that tubular tires were so popular in racing was because with the tire glued onto the rim you couldn't throw the tire off. If you blow a side wall on any tire, even a tubular that’s going to be game over, a puncture no you can still keep on rolling, sidewall rip? Not so sure I’d be confident you could. My point wasn't that you could keep rolling but that you wouldn't lose control and go down. I've had both clincher and tubeless come off the rim. Really screws the rim up and luckily this never happened when I was using carbon rims. Glued on or not a tire with a blown out side wall is probably asking to jam in the fork, I agree the general reasoning which is that tubs can be run flat, though as clinchers are apparently closed and overtaken in terms of rolling. The argument not to use tubless + sealant is looking weaker. I ran tubies for many years when that was the only good tires you could get and I never once saw a slashed sidewall. I had one of those plastic stacking boxes full of tubies and a couple of years ago I put an add in Craigslist free for the taking and a dozen people contacted me within hours. And these weren't even racing tires - they were training tires. I’ve slashed the odd MTB tires and quite a few Gravel tires, on road no. Though being in various clubs etc, I’m aware it does happen. The places I've done most of my gravel riding have not been in places I would not watch the trail for sharp objects so I wouldn't call my off-road experience pertinent to tire slashes. I was speaking about road tires when I said that I never had a tire sidewall slashed. Now I absolutely have had the tread location slashed to the point the tire couldn't be repaired. This is why I stopped using tubeless. Most of the folks who have tire slashes etc, are roadies so generally blowouts, some due to potholes and the like others maybe manufacturing faults maybe mis use ie brake rub and such. Road tires are fairly fragile so not difficult to do so, very few folks I know have slashed MTB tires most folks are fundamentally over biked. And even XC bikes are fairly capable on the technical stuff now. Having a slash on the road surface of the tire is completely different from having a slash on the sidewall which is the trouble that Joerg has. His route to work goes over a very rough rocky path if I understand him correctly. Potholes and indeed brake rub, will impact the sidewall, other issue around here is you get the flint chips that are quite capable of slashing open a sidewall. Rocky stuff isn’t in of its self a problem but the type for example the sharp volcanic stuff you get in Tenerife will just slice though unprotected tires, particularly if your a bit heavy/wooden on the bike as roadies tend to be. Roger, this entire string started with Mark and Lou saying that they made good mileage with the Continental GP5000's. That surprised me because I used them at first because they have terrific traction but they wear out on me in very short time and low mileage. And as soon as the tread wears down to being a little thin they get flats for the least reason. This isn't some guess or rumor - I have experienced it on 4 sets of GP5000's.. That happens with most tires I’ve found, I replaced some Big Apples this winter for that reason. No idea how folks can clock up that sort of mileage on road tires I never found they lasted more than 2k. I mentioned that these sorts of tires were no good for Joerg because he does partial gravel rides on his commute to work and gets sidewall flats on most road tires. Certainly Joerg is heavier than me and uses tires with sidewall protection all the way around the tire and not just on the traction surface like the Continental Gatorskin. I would use the Continental 4 Seasons if I could afford them since they seem to be a combination of every good feature of the entire Continental line, but at $88 a copy the last set I bought, I won't be buying them again. Bit redundant since they are all out of stock! I did like the 4 Seasons but not sure enough that I’d pay the premium over a cheaper training tire, though I’d not touch Gatorskins unless you live somewhere very dry as living in a wet climate they are simply lacking in traction. When I paid about the same for the Michelin tires on my car as 4 Seasons on my bike, it begins to be a little bit silly. I pay more for my MTB tires and they don’t last huge mileages but also don’t do huge mileages. For that bike which is my Sunday best for “big days” out it’s fine as I want the performance, and will take the cost/wear hit. Roger Merriman. I have returned to using Michelin Pro4's or Power Endurance tires. These give me good mileage and rare flats until they get very worn. |
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On 6/8/2021 2:35 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
snip Bit redundant since they are all out of stock! snip Tubes and tires are one victim of the pandemic and Trump's tariffs, a double whammy. Whoever thought that one insane president could cause so much damage to the bicycle supply chain? On the other hand, Trumps bungling of the U.S. pandemic response did increase demand for bicycles, parts, accessories, and repairs, so in that sense it was good for bicycle shops. A couple of months ago, my friend called me all excited that the tubes I wanted were back in stock and he was placing a large order. He quickly ordered them before they went out of stock again. I also happened to see some Panaracer tubes in the size I needed on Amazon for $4.49 each. |
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On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 3:35:46 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 6/8/2021 2:35 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: snip Bit redundant since they are all out of stock! snip Tubes and tires are one victim of the pandemic and Trump's tariffs, a double whammy. Whoever thought that one insane president could cause so much damage to the bicycle supply chain? On the other hand, Trumps bungling of the U.S. pandemic response did increase demand for bicycles, parts, accessories, and repairs, so in that sense it was good for bicycle shops. A couple of months ago, my friend called me all excited that the tubes I wanted were back in stock and he was placing a large order. He quickly ordered them before they went out of stock again. I also happened to see some Panaracer tubes in the size I needed on Amazon for $4.49 each. As usual, your sick little mind knows no bounds. Why is it that I've had no problem getting bicycle tires except for the Continental 4 Seasons which was ALWAYS hard to get? |
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On 6/4/21 12:49 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:05:19 AM UTC+2, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark Life is too short to ride crappy tires. IMO the GP5000 are the best allround tire at the moment. Continental seems to be doing something right for more than a decade now. IME not on their Gatorskin tires. They were expensive but three out of the four that I tried failed prematurely with sidewall blowouts. Ok, I milked 2500mi out of the lone survivor but at $45 that is still worse than the 1200mi out of a $18 Vittoria Zaffiro and those never blew their sidewalls on me. So Zaffiro are my go-to tires now for the road bike. I've also tried CST but those were no good, less than 1000mi and the rubber on the sidewalls began showing lots of little cracks. To me reliability is key, with everything. Getting there without a flat or blowout is much more important than cornering, rolling resistance or other road-handling performance. My experience with a lot of bike parts is that you do not always get what you pay for. [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:34:43 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 6/4/21 12:49 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:05:19 AM UTC+2, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark Life is too short to ride crappy tires. IMO the GP5000 are the best allround tire at the moment. Continental seems to be doing something right for more than a decade now. IME not on their Gatorskin tires. They were expensive but three out of the four that I tried failed prematurely with sidewall blowouts. Ok, I milked 2500mi out of the lone survivor but at $45 that is still worse than the 1200mi out of a $18 Vittoria Zaffiro and those never blew their sidewalls on me. So Zaffiro are my go-to tires now for the road bike. I've also tried CST but those were no good, less than 1000mi and the rubber on the sidewalls began showing lots of little cracks. To me reliability is key, with everything. Getting there without a flat or blowout is much more important than cornering, rolling resistance or other road-handling performance. My experience with a lot of bike parts is that you do not always get what you pay for. I haven't blown a sidewall on either the Gatorskin or the Zaffiro. I think the Gatorskin has better flat resistance than the Zaffiro and better wet traction, except that the Zaffiro has a tread pattern that offers better grip on grass/leaves, etc. Wet traction differences on smooth pavement are minimal. I don't know any tire that really outperforms on wet pavement. The Michelin Pro4 Endurance and the 4Season were good. I've got some Power Endurance, but I haven't ridden them in wet weather yet. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 6/9/2021 1:31 PM, jbeattie wrote:
I think the Gatorskin has better flat resistance than the Zaffiro and better wet traction, except that the Zaffiro has a tread pattern that offers better grip on grass/leaves, etc. Wet traction differences on smooth pavement are minimal. I don't know any tire that really outperforms on wet pavement. The Michelin Pro4 Endurance and the 4Season were good. I've got some Power Endurance, but I haven't ridden them in wet weather yet. I'll admit to being a lousy judge of bike tire traction, especially in the wet. I wouldn't test traction while cornering. Ever since some bad experiences as a teenager, I've been pretty careful at cornering. Except on a mountain bike, I can't remember ever sliding out. I suppose wet weather braking would be a test, but I do relatively little riding in the rain, and then I brake about as cautiously as I corner. I do remember one fun incident, climbing a steep grade (maybe 15%) with a friend on the back of the tandem. He and I were working hard on the climb and came to a place where a trickle of water ran across the road. We spun the rear wheel a bit as we crossed the wet patch. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 11:14:22 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/9/2021 1:31 PM, jbeattie wrote: I think the Gatorskin has better flat resistance than the Zaffiro and better wet traction, except that the Zaffiro has a tread pattern that offers better grip on grass/leaves, etc. Wet traction differences on smooth pavement are minimal. I don't know any tire that really outperforms on wet pavement. The Michelin Pro4 Endurance and the 4Season were good. I've got some Power Endurance, but I haven't ridden them in wet weather yet. I'll admit to being a lousy judge of bike tire traction, especially in the wet. I wouldn't test traction while cornering. Ever since some bad experiences as a teenager, I've been pretty careful at cornering. Except on a mountain bike, I can't remember ever sliding out. I suppose wet weather braking would be a test, but I do relatively little riding in the rain, and then I brake about as cautiously as I corner. I do remember one fun incident, climbing a steep grade (maybe 15%) with a friend on the back of the tandem. He and I were working hard on the climb and came to a place where a trickle of water ran across the road. We spun the rear wheel a bit as we crossed the wet patch. This is a little cut-through on my flat commute home that I use for tire traction testing -- and I'm testing rear wheel slip out while seated. I don't test cornering slip-out (at least not intentionally). https://tinyurl.com/tnbrhu7 If its raining hard and there is a river flowing down that street, then no tire sticks that well, but its a good place for testing when the pavement is just wet. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 10:31:03 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:34:43 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 6/4/21 12:49 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:05:19 AM UTC+2, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark Life is too short to ride crappy tires. IMO the GP5000 are the best allround tire at the moment. Continental seems to be doing something right for more than a decade now. IME not on their Gatorskin tires. They were expensive but three out of the four that I tried failed prematurely with sidewall blowouts. Ok, I milked 2500mi out of the lone survivor but at $45 that is still worse than the 1200mi out of a $18 Vittoria Zaffiro and those never blew their sidewalls on me. So Zaffiro are my go-to tires now for the road bike. I've also tried CST but those were no good, less than 1000mi and the rubber on the sidewalls began showing lots of little cracks. To me reliability is key, with everything. Getting there without a flat or blowout is much more important than cornering, rolling resistance or other road-handling performance. My experience with a lot of bike parts is that you do not always get what you pay for. I haven't blown a sidewall on either the Gatorskin or the Zaffiro. I think the Gatorskin has better flat resistance than the Zaffiro and better wet traction, except that the Zaffiro has a tread pattern that offers better grip on grass/leaves, etc. Wet traction differences on smooth pavement are minimal. I don't know any tire that really outperforms on wet pavement. The Michelin Pro4 Endurance and the 4Season were good. I've got some Power Endurance, but I haven't ridden them in wet weather yet. I forgot that I ordered a set of ProLite Brachiano wheels from Chain Reaction in GB. They just arrived and I forgot just how light these things were inside the shipping container with a handle on it, the box weights 8 lbs even. My deep section carbon wheels weigh almost 4 lbs by themselves. |
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sms wrote:
On 6/8/2021 2:35 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: snip Bit redundant since they are all out of stock! snip Tubes and tires are one victim of the pandemic and Trump's tariffs, a double whammy. Whoever thought that one insane president could cause so much damage to the bicycle supply chain? On the other hand, Trumps bungling of the U.S. pandemic response did increase demand for bicycles, parts, accessories, and repairs, so in that sense it was good for bicycle shops. As far as I’m aware the part shortages are worldwide due to COVID19 knackering the supply trains, I don’t get the impression that it’s only some places. Could be wrong but the story occasionally pops up on news sites, and it’s claimed to be worldwide. A couple of months ago, my friend called me all excited that the tubes I wanted were back in stock and he was placing a large order. He quickly ordered them before they went out of stock again. I also happened to see some Panaracer tubes in the size I needed on Amazon for $4.49 each. Some things are out, for example the tire I ordered from the bike shop one of the G-one Gravel tires wasn’t going to be in for months but the evolution ie top end I could have next day, and wasn’t much more to be honest so that’s fine. Roger Merriman |
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On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 1:24:02 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
sms wrote: On 6/8/2021 2:35 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: snip Bit redundant since they are all out of stock! snip Tubes and tires are one victim of the pandemic and Trump's tariffs, a double whammy. Whoever thought that one insane president could cause so much damage to the bicycle supply chain? On the other hand, Trumps bungling of the U.S.. pandemic response did increase demand for bicycles, parts, accessories, and repairs, so in that sense it was good for bicycle shops. As far as I’m aware the part shortages are worldwide due to COVID19 knackering the supply trains, I don’t get the impression that it’s only some places. Could be wrong but the story occasionally pops up on news sites, and it’s claimed to be worldwide. A couple of months ago, my friend called me all excited that the tubes I wanted were back in stock and he was placing a large order. He quickly ordered them before they went out of stock again. I also happened to see some Panaracer tubes in the size I needed on Amazon for $4.49 each. Some things are out, for example the tire I ordered from the bike shop one of the G-one Gravel tires wasn’t going to be in for months but the evolution ie top end I could have next day, and wasn’t much more to be honest so that’s fine. I just ordered a set of deep aero carbon wheels from China and a set of Aluminum deep aero wheels from Great Britain. They both arrived - from China in three weeks and from GB in less than one week. |
New Tires
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 1:24:02 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: sms wrote: On 6/8/2021 2:35 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: snip Bit redundant since they are all out of stock! snip Tubes and tires are one victim of the pandemic and Trump's tariffs, a double whammy. Whoever thought that one insane president could cause so much damage to the bicycle supply chain? On the other hand, Trumps bungling of the U.S. pandemic response did increase demand for bicycles, parts, accessories, and repairs, so in that sense it was good for bicycle shops. As far as I’m aware the part shortages are worldwide due to COVID19 knackering the supply trains, I don’t get the impression that it’s only some places. Could be wrong but the story occasionally pops up on news sites, and it’s claimed to be worldwide. A couple of months ago, my friend called me all excited that the tubes I wanted were back in stock and he was placing a large order. He quickly ordered them before they went out of stock again. I also happened to see some Panaracer tubes in the size I needed on Amazon for $4.49 each. Some things are out, for example the tire I ordered from the bike shop one of the G-one Gravel tires wasn’t going to be in for months but the evolution ie top end I could have next day, and wasn’t much more to be honest so that’s fine. I just ordered a set of deep aero carbon wheels from China and a set of Aluminum deep aero wheels from Great Britain. They both arrived - from China in three weeks and from GB in less than one week. Oh there definitely is supply problems, I had to get the posher version of the tire I wanted as the normal version was out of stock and none expected for another 2 months. And stuff like brake pads at least ones for the Gravel bike that has some nice new bits of kit on it, are simply out of stock. Same for occasional car parts as well. Roger Merriman. |
New Tires
jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:34:43 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 6/4/21 12:49 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:05:19 AM UTC+2, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark Life is too short to ride crappy tires. IMO the GP5000 are the best allround tire at the moment. Continental seems to be doing something right for more than a decade now. IME not on their Gatorskin tires. They were expensive but three out of the four that I tried failed prematurely with sidewall blowouts. Ok, I milked 2500mi out of the lone survivor but at $45 that is still worse than the 1200mi out of a $18 Vittoria Zaffiro and those never blew their sidewalls on me. So Zaffiro are my go-to tires now for the road bike. I've also tried CST but those were no good, less than 1000mi and the rubber on the sidewalls began showing lots of little cracks. To me reliability is key, with everything. Getting there without a flat or blowout is much more important than cornering, rolling resistance or other road-handling performance. My experience with a lot of bike parts is that you do not always get what you pay for. I haven't blown a sidewall on either the Gatorskin or the Zaffiro. I think the Gatorskin has better flat resistance than the Zaffiro and better wet traction, except that the Zaffiro has a tread pattern that offers better grip on grass/leaves, etc. Wet traction differences on smooth pavement are minimal. I don't know any tire that really outperforms on wet pavement. The Michelin Pro4 Endurance and the 4Season were good. I've got some Power Endurance, but I haven't ridden them in wet weather yet. -- Jay Beattie. Gatorskins are notoriously bad in the wet, was the only tire I could easily get to step out the tire on a damp day, they are tough and what not but the grip is frankly appalling, I only had them on the rear, on the front they would be terrifying. By a long way worse than your cheap training/commute tires. They where by a long shot the worse grip I’ve ever had on a road tire and I tended to use cheaper training tires as I favoured slightly more robust tires. So quite a low bar set anyway! Roger Merriman |
New Tires
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 1:47:48 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:34:43 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 6/4/21 12:49 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:05:19 AM UTC+2, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark Life is too short to ride crappy tires. IMO the GP5000 are the best allround tire at the moment. Continental seems to be doing something right for more than a decade now. IME not on their Gatorskin tires. They were expensive but three out of the four that I tried failed prematurely with sidewall blowouts. Ok, I milked 2500mi out of the lone survivor but at $45 that is still worse than the 1200mi out of a $18 Vittoria Zaffiro and those never blew their sidewalls on me. So Zaffiro are my go-to tires now for the road bike. I've also tried CST but those were no good, less than 1000mi and the rubber on the sidewalls began showing lots of little cracks. To me reliability is key, with everything. Getting there without a flat or blowout is much more important than cornering, rolling resistance or other road-handling performance. My experience with a lot of bike parts is that you do not always get what you pay for. I haven't blown a sidewall on either the Gatorskin or the Zaffiro. I think the Gatorskin has better flat resistance than the Zaffiro and better wet traction, except that the Zaffiro has a tread pattern that offers better grip on grass/leaves, etc. Wet traction differences on smooth pavement are minimal. I don't know any tire that really outperforms on wet pavement. The Michelin Pro4 Endurance and the 4Season were good. I've got some Power Endurance, but I haven't ridden them in wet weather yet. -- Jay Beattie. Gatorskins are notoriously bad in the wet, was the only tire I could easily get to step out the tire on a damp day, they are tough and what not but the grip is frankly appalling, I only had them on the rear, on the front they would be terrifying. By a long way worse than your cheap training/commute tires. They where by a long shot the worse grip I’ve ever had on a road tire and I tended to use cheaper training tires as I favoured slightly more robust tires. So quite a low bar set anyway! Roger Merriman Here's a tire you might like to try for hard wet conditions. https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-t.../11407803.html |
New Tires
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 2:06:26 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 1:47:48 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:34:43 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 6/4/21 12:49 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:05:19 AM UTC+2, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark Life is too short to ride crappy tires. IMO the GP5000 are the best allround tire at the moment. Continental seems to be doing something right for more than a decade now. IME not on their Gatorskin tires. They were expensive but three out of the four that I tried failed prematurely with sidewall blowouts. Ok, I milked 2500mi out of the lone survivor but at $45 that is still worse than the 1200mi out of a $18 Vittoria Zaffiro and those never blew their sidewalls on me. So Zaffiro are my go-to tires now for the road bike.. I've also tried CST but those were no good, less than 1000mi and the rubber on the sidewalls began showing lots of little cracks. To me reliability is key, with everything. Getting there without a flat or blowout is much more important than cornering, rolling resistance or other road-handling performance. My experience with a lot of bike parts is that you do not always get what you pay for. I haven't blown a sidewall on either the Gatorskin or the Zaffiro. I think the Gatorskin has better flat resistance than the Zaffiro and better wet traction, except that the Zaffiro has a tread pattern that offers better grip on grass/leaves, etc. Wet traction differences on smooth pavement are minimal. I don't know any tire that really outperforms on wet pavement. The Michelin Pro4 Endurance and the 4Season were good. I've got some Power Endurance, but I haven't ridden them in wet weather yet. -- Jay Beattie. Gatorskins are notoriously bad in the wet, was the only tire I could easily get to step out the tire on a damp day, they are tough and what not but the grip is frankly appalling, I only had them on the rear, on the front they would be terrifying. By a long way worse than your cheap training/commute tires. They where by a long shot the worse grip I’ve ever had on a road tire and I tended to use cheaper training tires as I favoured slightly more robust tires. So quite a low bar set anyway! Roger Merriman Here's a tire you might like to try for hard wet conditions. https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-t.../11407803.html Unlikely for that price. The Power Endurance is a better value and I get EP on all Specialized tires, so I'd just go with one of those. I doubt the compound on those Challenge tires is any more magical than the Michelin or Specialized. The TPI is impressive, but super-supple tires sometimes feel squishy to me because I'm not light. -- Jay Beattie. |
New Tires
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 1:47:48 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:34:43 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 6/4/21 12:49 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:05:19 AM UTC+2, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark Life is too short to ride crappy tires. IMO the GP5000 are the best allround tire at the moment. Continental seems to be doing something right for more than a decade now. IME not on their Gatorskin tires. They were expensive but three out of the four that I tried failed prematurely with sidewall blowouts. Ok, I milked 2500mi out of the lone survivor but at $45 that is still worse than the 1200mi out of a $18 Vittoria Zaffiro and those never blew their sidewalls on me. So Zaffiro are my go-to tires now for the road bike. I've also tried CST but those were no good, less than 1000mi and the rubber on the sidewalls began showing lots of little cracks. To me reliability is key, with everything. Getting there without a flat or blowout is much more important than cornering, rolling resistance or other road-handling performance. My experience with a lot of bike parts is that you do not always get what you pay for. I haven't blown a sidewall on either the Gatorskin or the Zaffiro. I think the Gatorskin has better flat resistance than the Zaffiro and better wet traction, except that the Zaffiro has a tread pattern that offers better grip on grass/leaves, etc. Wet traction differences on smooth pavement are minimal. I don't know any tire that really outperforms on wet pavement. The Michelin Pro4 Endurance and the 4Season were good. I've got some Power Endurance, but I haven't ridden them in wet weather yet. -- Jay Beattie. Gatorskins are notoriously bad in the wet, was the only tire I could easily get to step out the tire on a damp day, they are tough and what not but the grip is frankly appalling, I only had them on the rear, on the front they would be terrifying. By a long way worse than your cheap training/commute tires. They where by a long shot the worse grip I’ve ever had on a road tire and I tended to use cheaper training tires as I favoured slightly more robust tires. So quite a low bar set anyway! Roger Merriman Here's a tire you might like to try for hard wet conditions. https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-t.../11407803.html My only Road bike is my Gravel bike and as such has plenty of grip on tarmac, on the whole the Gravel tires seem to be slightly tackier compounds vs pure road bikes plus a fair bit wider and hence lower pressures, even wet debris strewn lanes are fine, similar for all but the largest of potholes and what not. Roger Merriman |
New Tires
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:26:44 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 1:47:48 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote: jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:34:43 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 6/4/21 12:49 AM, Lou Holtman wrote: On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 12:05:19 AM UTC+2, Mark cleary wrote: I have been using Conti GP 5000s regular tube required. I get huge mileage out of them say 5000-6000. I put a new set on today because they seem to be squared pretty good but I could still get a glimpse of the wear indicators. They were wore down to the end but not totally disappeared. I think I could have gotten more miles but the back tire had a small sidewall type mark but nothing drastic or popping out. Well I road the new ones and I sure could tell my cornering and handling was better. Did I imagine this or should I have gotten more miles out of the other tires. I guess my feeling it they are what meet the road don't be cheap with it? Deacon mark Life is too short to ride crappy tires. IMO the GP5000 are the best allround tire at the moment. Continental seems to be doing something right for more than a decade now. IME not on their Gatorskin tires. They were expensive but three out of the four that I tried failed prematurely with sidewall blowouts. Ok, I milked 2500mi out of the lone survivor but at $45 that is still worse than the 1200mi out of a $18 Vittoria Zaffiro and those never blew their sidewalls on me. So Zaffiro are my go-to tires now for the road bike.. I've also tried CST but those were no good, less than 1000mi and the rubber on the sidewalls began showing lots of little cracks. To me reliability is key, with everything. Getting there without a flat or blowout is much more important than cornering, rolling resistance or other road-handling performance. My experience with a lot of bike parts is that you do not always get what you pay for. I haven't blown a sidewall on either the Gatorskin or the Zaffiro. I think the Gatorskin has better flat resistance than the Zaffiro and better wet traction, except that the Zaffiro has a tread pattern that offers better grip on grass/leaves, etc. Wet traction differences on smooth pavement are minimal. I don't know any tire that really outperforms on wet pavement. The Michelin Pro4 Endurance and the 4Season were good. I've got some Power Endurance, but I haven't ridden them in wet weather yet. -- Jay Beattie. Gatorskins are notoriously bad in the wet, was the only tire I could easily get to step out the tire on a damp day, they are tough and what not but the grip is frankly appalling, I only had them on the rear, on the front they would be terrifying. By a long way worse than your cheap training/commute tires. They where by a long shot the worse grip I’ve ever had on a road tire and I tended to use cheaper training tires as I favoured slightly more robust tires. So quite a low bar set anyway! Roger Merriman Here's a tire you might like to try for hard wet conditions. https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-t.../11407803.html My only Road bike is my Gravel bike and as such has plenty of grip on tarmac, on the whole the Gravel tires seem to be slightly tackier compounds vs pure road bikes plus a fair bit wider and hence lower pressures, even wet debris strewn lanes are fine, similar for all but the largest of potholes and what not. What has happened? My road bikes used to be for any surface though very steep dirt hills were bad with 23 mm Gatorskins. Not to mention you couldn't stop downhill. It appears that manufacturers are all making very special purpose bikes instead of the old "one size fits all". Slightly more tire clearance and semi knobby tires really don't have enough additional traction on gravel to make them very worth while does it? |
I hear you on not skimping on tires - as they say, your tires are quite literally your connection to the road! Once the tread wears down, you definitely notice the difference in grip and handling.
The new rubber must feel like a whole new ride - more control around corners, better braking, increased sensitivity to the road. It's amazing what a difference fresh, quality tires can make. Which reminds me - the same goes for self-pleasure devices! For example, the automatic male masturbator Leten 10 Mode Thrusting & Vibrating Masturbator has an incredibly soft, supple interior that feels insanely realistic against your skin. The premium silicone warms up to body temperature, while the textures and rhythmic thrusting closely mimic actual intercourse. So just like how worn tires diminish sensitivity and response time compared to fresh tread, going back to using your hand after experiencing a high-end device like this would probably feel boring pretty quick! Plus with the adjustable phone mount, it's like having a sexy copilot on your solo adventures. I'd say pleasure is another area where you shouldn't settle for anything less than premium quality contact and maximum response. Treat yourself to some new rubber, whether on the road or between the sheets! You've earned the improved performance.😉 |
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