Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

Recently I engaged in a conversation over at ne.transport regarding
some inadequate bike lanes in the Newburyport, MA area. Shortly after
posting my reply, I got an email from a Boston area reporter. I don't
want to copy-paste the exact email in the interest of privacy, but the
gist was basically that she read my post and she's "heard other
cyclists complain of useless/dangerous bike lanes". She wanted to
know if there were any others that stand out as particularly
dangerous, stating that it may make a good news story for them if
so.

This seems like a good chance to try to get some public awareness, so
I figured I'd bounce the concept off of some other cyclists before
replying to her.

Link to the thread: http://tinyurl.com/2bw4od
Non-tiny link:
http://groups.google.com/group/ne.tr...37a72c21e4603e

Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

" writes:

Recently I engaged in a conversation over at ne.transport regarding
some inadequate bike lanes in the Newburyport, MA area. Shortly after
posting my reply, I got an email from a Boston area reporter. I don't
want to copy-paste the exact email in the interest of privacy, but the
gist was basically that she read my post and she's "heard other
cyclists complain of useless/dangerous bike lanes". She wanted to
know if there were any others that stand out as particularly
dangerous, stating that it may make a good news story for them if
so.

This seems like a good chance to try to get some public awareness, so
I figured I'd bounce the concept off of some other cyclists before
replying to her.

We've had a few dangerous lanes, but these were installed many years
before the current design standards were developed. The main issue
was a lane that was too narrow to safely pass a parked car - an
opening door could completely block the lane.

One lane was installed about 10 years ago by mistake (someone messed
up the design) - it put the lane stripe too close to the gutter pan,
and as the pavement deteriorates over time, you end up with a crack
parallel to the direction of travel, so you need enough clearance from
that so that a cyclist can ride in the lane while not getting too
close to the gutter pan. That lane was removed and is now back after
some major road improvements that eliminated the problem. A few
people complained about the bike lane being removed, but removing it
was the only reasonable decision, given the liability risk of having
a substandard design.

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My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

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Recently I engaged in a conversation over at ne.transport regarding
some inadequate bike lanes in the Newburyport, MA area. Shortly after
posting my reply, I got an email from a Boston area reporter. I don't
want to copy-paste the exact email in the interest of privacy, but the
gist was basically that she read my post and she's "heard other
cyclists complain of useless/dangerous bike lanes". She wanted to
know if there were any others that stand out as particularly
dangerous, stating that it may make a good news story for them if
so.

This seems like a good chance to try to get some public awareness, so
I figured I'd bounce the concept off of some other cyclists before
replying to her.

Link to the thread: http://tinyurl.com/2bw4od

The Globe recently did a very strange story recently about a popular
multi-use path in Eastern Mass, the Minuteman. The headline was about "bike
path rage," though the story only cited one actual "rage" incident that was
two years old. Then lots of quotes about how crowded the path is and how
cyclists and joggers and skaters and eveybody have to get along--not the
same thing, but put in a context that suggested the people quioting were
"responding" to the rage "problem."

The story was the top story of the Sunday paper a few months ago.

I'm not sure what that was about, but I hope this reporter does a better job
on bike lanes, which can kill people if done badly. There are some very bad
ones in Cambridge.

Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

On Aug 15, 10:47 am, "OughtFour" wrote:

I'm not sure what that was about, but I hope this reporter does a better job
on bike lanes, which can kill people if done badly. There are some very bad
ones in Cambridge.

'Can kill people?' I'm no fan of bike lanes, but to call the poorly
designed ones deadly is pretty damn silly.

Got any examples of bike lanes killing people?

Robert

Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

On Aug 15, 9:50 am, " wrote:
Recently I engaged in a conversation over at ne.transport regarding
some inadequate bike lanes in the Newburyport, MA area. Shortly after
posting my reply, I got an email from a Boston area reporter. I don't
want to copy-paste the exact email in the interest of privacy, but the
gist was basically that she read my post and she's "heard other
cyclists complain of useless/dangerous bike lanes". She wanted to
know if there were any others that stand out as particularly
dangerous, stating that it may make a good news story for them if
so.

This seems like a good chance to try to get some public awareness, so
I figured I'd bounce the concept off of some other cyclists before
replying to her.

Link to the thread: http://tinyurl.com/2bw4od
Non-tiny link:http://groups.google.com/group/ne.tr..._thread/thread...

Dear Dan,

You can scroll back through monthly pictures with captions of
exquisite British bicycle road and path mis-design he

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...August2007.htm

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

In rec.bicycles.misc wrote:
On Aug 15, 10:47 am, "OughtFour" wrote:

I'm not sure what that was about, but I hope this reporter does a better job
on bike lanes, which can kill people if done badly. There are some very bad
ones in Cambridge.

'Can kill people?' I'm no fan of bike lanes, but to call the poorly
designed ones deadly is pretty damn silly.

Got any examples of bike lanes killing people?

http://www.bikexprt.com/massfacil/ca...one/laird1.htm

Classic bike lane as car-door lane fatality.

--
Dane Buson -
If I had only known, I would have been a locksmith.
-- Albert Einstein

Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

On Aug 15, 9:50 am, " wrote:
Recently I engaged in a conversation over at ne.transport regarding
some inadequate bike lanes in the Newburyport, MA area. Shortly after
posting my reply, I got an email from a Boston area reporter. I don't
want to copy-paste the exact email in the interest of privacy, but the
gist was basically that she read my post and she's "heard other
cyclists complain of useless/dangerous bike lanes". She wanted to
know if there were any others that stand out as particularly
dangerous, stating that it may make a good news story for them if
so.

This seems like a good chance to try to get some public awareness, so
I figured I'd bounce the concept off of some other cyclists before
replying to her.

Link to the thread: http://tinyurl.com/2bw4od
Non-tiny link:http://groups.google.com/group/ne.tr..._thread/thread...

wrote:
You can scroll back through monthly pictures with captions of
exquisite British bicycle road and path mis-design he
http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...August2007.htm

That's precious!
Hadn't noticed the archive on my earlier visit.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

On 15 Aug 2007 09:20:11 -0700, (Bill Z.)
wrote:


One lane was installed about 10 years ago by mistake (someone messed
up the design) - it put the lane stripe too close to the gutter pan,
and as the pavement deteriorates over time, you end up with a crack
parallel to the direction of travel, so you need enough clearance from
that so that a cyclist can ride in the lane while not getting too
close to the gutter pan.

What is a gutter pan?
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Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:35:54 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

On 15 Aug 2007 09:20:11 -0700, (Bill Z.)
wrote:


One lane was installed about 10 years ago by mistake (someone messed
up the design) - it put the lane stripe too close to the gutter pan,
and as the pavement deteriorates over time, you end up with a crack
parallel to the direction of travel, so you need enough clearance from
that so that a cyclist can ride in the lane while not getting too
close to the gutter pan.

What is a gutter pan?

Dear John,

http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story
 

On Aug 15, 12:26 pm, Dane Buson wrote:

http://www.bikexprt.com/massfacil/ca...one/laird1.htm

Classic bike lane as car-door lane fatality.

"Classic?" Really?

Are you suggesting that people don't ride in the door zone on streets
with no bike lanes?