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Bod[_5_] April 21st 17 10:57 AM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobile phonespared jail
 
*How was this not "careless driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html

Bod[_5_] April 21st 17 11:00 AM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail
 
On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:
*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html

*Correction* dangerous driving

jnugent April 21st 17 12:27 PM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail
 
On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "careless driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html


"How was this not careless driving?"?

Eh?

It *was* careless driving.

The exact quote is: "[he] was found guilty of careless driving after he
ran down the woman".

Also:

"He was found guilty at Highbury Corner Magistrates' Court on Thursday,
received a 15 month driving ban and was ordered to pay costs totalling
£1260."

For once, it sounds like an open and shut case.

There was no mention of the mobile phone offence, but perhaps it was a
hands-free phone and therefore wasn't an offence but an aggravating
factor in the careless driving case.

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jnugent April 21st 17 12:33 PM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail
 
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:


*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?


Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.


Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.


The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html


*Correction* dangerous driving


The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?


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James Wilkinson Sword[_4_] April 21st 17 12:42 PM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail
 
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:57:41 +0100, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "careless driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html


If he'd clipped a car, there would have been a small dent and some paintwork required. Bicycles are for paths, not roads.

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Bod[_5_] April 21st 17 12:46 PM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail
 
On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:


*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?


Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.


Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.


The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html


*Correction* dangerous driving


The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?


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It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.
People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.


James Wilkinson Sword[_4_] April 21st 17 12:53 PM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail
 
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:46:23 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:


*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?


Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.


Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.


The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html


*Correction* dangerous driving


The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?

It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.
People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.


********. You can be not paying attention without using a phone at all. On the other hand, I have no difficulty calling or texting while driving. People can multitask (driving is already doing a few things at once).

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Bod[_5_] April 21st 17 12:55 PM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail
 
On 21/04/2017 12:42, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:57:41 +0100, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "careless driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html


If he'd clipped a car, there would have been a small dent and some
paintwork required. Bicycles are for paths, not roads.

Reality check! He *didn't* clip a car and the cyclist was *legally
allowed* to be on the road.
Try sticking to the facts rather than your personal desires.

James Wilkinson Sword[_4_] April 21st 17 01:00 PM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail
 
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:55:01 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 12:42, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:57:41 +0100, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "careless driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html


If he'd clipped a car, there would have been a small dent and some
paintwork required. Bicycles are for paths, not roads.

Reality check! He *didn't* clip a car and the cyclist was *legally
allowed* to be on the road.
Try sticking to the facts rather than your personal desires.


He clipped a bicycle which is inherently unstable, therefore unsuitable to mix with larger vehicles.

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Bod[_5_] April 21st 17 01:03 PM

Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail
 
On 21/04/2017 12:53, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:46:23 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html



*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?

It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.
People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.


********. You can be not paying attention without using a phone at
all. On the other hand, I have no difficulty calling or texting while
driving. People can multitask (driving is already doing a few things at
once).

It's *your* attitude to using a phone at the wheel that is all too
prevalent and that's why I say that drivers with phones to their ear
should be jailed to help stop their use.
I now put my phone into the glove box and that is where it stays whilst
I am driving.


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