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Routemasters (again)
"Max Demian" wrote in message ... "John Dean" wrote in message ... "Truebrit" wrote in message ... Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use highways)? Do you not have jaywalking laws? Generally speaking, no. https://www.gov.uk/rules-pedestrians...e-road-7-to-17 That's general advice rather than what's legal and what isn't. Sure. And it indicates what the Government thinks it important for pedestrians to know. -- John Dean |
Routemasters (again)
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 17:16:18 +0100, "John Dean"
wrote: "Truebrit" wrote in message ... NY" wrote in message Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one. What do pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs pedestrians to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give way to them. "Thumper" wrote: When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing. "Bertie Wooster" wrote: Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use highways)? Do you not have jaywalking laws? Generally speaking, no. https://www.gov.uk/rules-pedestrians...e-road-7-to-17 Interesting... Rule 18 =====Quote===== You MUST NOT loiter on any type of crossing. Laws ZPPPCRGD reg 19 & RTRA sect 25(5) =====/Quote===== I frequently come across criminals in their cars loitering on pedestrian crossings, especially in traffic queues. Perhaps this is something that should be decriminalised so that local authorities can enforce this rule with pedestrian crossing cameras and fixed penalty notices going to the registered keeper. |
Routemasters (again)
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 23:41:43 +0100, JNugent wrote:
The signals displayed by a traffic light mean stop, stop, stop, and give way. There is no Go, as even a green only allows you to proceed if the way is clear. Can you give the Highway Code reference (page number, etc) for that, please? Well it must be against some law to run someone over deliberately. I was referring to Lee LJ's claim that there are three traffic light phases ("stop / stop / stop / give way" as he put it). I count four there, tbh. And he's right. Red - Stop. Amber - Stop. Red & Amber - Stop. Green - Proceed if the way is clear. As for reference, is this authoritative enough...? http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum...ssets/@dg/@en/ documents/digitalasset/dg_070561.pdf |
Routemasters (again)
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 22:43:50 +0100, NY wrote:
It was scary to watch the 5th (last) episode of Route Masters (about London's roads) on BBC1 a couple of weeks ago and see how cyclists seem to think that the road laws should treat them differently from engine-powered vehicles. Of course they shouldn't. Everybody should stick to the HC. Cyclists were weaving in and out of other traffic, overtaking first one one side then on the other, right in front of the eyes of police officers Umm, yes, and? Care to tell us which HC rules that's inherently breaking? and only the worst offenders were even mentioned, never mind stopped, instead of staying in the bus/bike lane Neither cyclists nor buses _have_ to stay in the bus/bike lane. The difference is that other motor vehicles can't use it. |
Routemasters (again)
On 03/08/2013 09:06, Adrian wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 23:41:43 +0100, JNugent wrote: The signals displayed by a traffic light mean stop, stop, stop, and give way. There is no Go, as even a green only allows you to proceed if the way is clear. Can you give the Highway Code reference (page number, etc) for that, please? Well it must be against some law to run someone over deliberately. I was referring to Lee LJ's claim that there are three traffic light phases ("stop / stop / stop / give way" as he put it). I count four there, tbh. And he's right. Red - Stop. Amber - Stop. Red & Amber - Stop. Green - Proceed if the way is clear. As for reference, is this authoritative enough...? http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum...ssets/@dg/@en/ documents/digitalasset/dg_070561.pdf Absolutely. Thank you. It confirms that green means "go" and not "give way". |
Routemasters (again)
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 22:05:26 +0100, Judith wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 17:12:02 +0100, "NY" wrote: snip Utterly bewildering that a tiny minority of cyclists think that they have priority over everyone else on the road, and give the vast majority a bad name. Spot on Porky Chapman, Anchor Lee, Tom Crispin, Justipoo's, Numb Nuts Mason ............. The list goes on, and on, and ......... And who else? |
Routemasters (again)
On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:17:20 +0100, JNugent wrote:
The signals displayed by a traffic light mean stop, stop, stop, and give way. There is no Go, as even a green only allows you to proceed if the way is clear. Can you give the Highway Code reference (page number, etc) for that, please? Well it must be against some law to run someone over deliberately. I was referring to Lee LJ's claim that there are three traffic light phases ("stop / stop / stop / give way" as he put it). I count four there, tbh. And he's right. Red - Stop. Amber - Stop. Red & Amber - Stop. Green - Proceed if the way is clear. As for reference, is this authoritative enough...? http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum...talassets/@dg/ @en/documents/digitalasset/dg_070561.pdf Absolutely. Thank you. It confirms that green means "go" and not "give way". Did you bother to read the wording? "GREEN means you may go on if the way is clear. Take special care if you intend to turn left or right and give way to pedestrians who are crossing" "Give Way" is a far better simplification of that than a simple "Go". |
Routemasters (again)
JNugent wrote:
On 03/08/2013 09:06, Adrian wrote: On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 23:41:43 +0100, JNugent wrote: The signals displayed by a traffic light mean stop, stop, stop, and give way. There is no Go, as even a green only allows you to proceed if the way is clear. Can you give the Highway Code reference (page number, etc) for that, please? Well it must be against some law to run someone over deliberately. I was referring to Lee LJ's claim that there are three traffic light phases ("stop / stop / stop / give way" as he put it). I count four there, tbh. And he's right. Red - Stop. Amber - Stop. Red & Amber - Stop. Green - Proceed if the way is clear. As for reference, is this authoritative enough...? http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum...ssets/@dg/@en/ documents/digitalasset/dg_070561.pdf Absolutely. Thank you. It confirms that green means "go" and not "give way". Only if you're deficient in English. If the way is not clear, you are not permitted to proceed. You have to give way. Highway Code Rule 176: "You MUST NOT move forward over the white line when the red light is showing. Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right". |
Routemasters (again)
On 03/08/2013 09:38, Adrian wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:17:20 +0100, JNugent wrote: The signals displayed by a traffic light mean stop, stop, stop, and give way. There is no Go, as even a green only allows you to proceed if the way is clear. Can you give the Highway Code reference (page number, etc) for that, please? Well it must be against some law to run someone over deliberately. I was referring to Lee LJ's claim that there are three traffic light phases ("stop / stop / stop / give way" as he put it). I count four there, tbh. And he's right. Red - Stop. Amber - Stop. Red & Amber - Stop. Green - Proceed if the way is clear. As for reference, is this authoritative enough...? http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum...talassets/@dg/ @en/documents/digitalasset/dg_070561.pdf Absolutely. Thank you. It confirms that green means "go" and not "give way". Did you bother to read the wording? "GREEN means you may go on if the way is clear. I did read it and there is no problem. No mention of "give way". It says "go". That proviso ("...if the way is clear...") applies everywhere at all times on the highway network and is certainly not particular or peculiar to traffic light junctions. All traffic movements are subject to the rule about not running into someone if it can be avoided, so the rest of it is redundant. Take special care if you intend to turn left or right and give way to pedestrians who are crossing" "Give Way" is a far better simplification of that than a simple "Go". No. "Give Way" is the instruction given at priority junctions (not traffic lights) to those who must cede priority to another traffic flow (the one which has permanent or semi-permanent priority). A green light does not mean "give way" (ie, "cede priority to the traffic flow which has priority"). It really doesn't, for the most obvious of reasons. All Lee was doing was trying to "prove" that a cyclist breaking the law at a set of lights has priority over everyone else and that it's someone else's fault if he gets run over. |
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