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Tom Kunich[_5_] May 13th 19 05:33 PM

Hills and Flats
 
Do you suppose climbing hills can put you into the same physical shape as riding fast on the flats?

[email protected] May 13th 19 09:32 PM

Hills and Flats
 
Of course. 250 W on the flats is the same as 250 W in the hills. On the flats though it is harder to train at a higher power/intensity. Headwind is your friend then.

Andre Jute[_2_] May 15th 19 02:33 PM

Hills and Flats
 
On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 5:33:14 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
Do you suppose climbing hills can put you into the same physical shape as riding fast on the flats?


A rugby coach I trained under, Dr Danie Craven, used to run us up the steep hill behind our home field. He was a very successful coach.

Direct answer to your question: I don't see how you can maintain the same output on the flat as on hills unless you have butterfly cadence or gearing that would be a pain in the hills.

Andre Jute
What I love best is downhills

news18 May 16th 19 05:53 AM

Hills and Flats
 
On Mon, 13 May 2019 09:33:12 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

Do you suppose climbing hills can put you into the same physical shape
as riding fast on the flats?


Shape isn't a defined physical state.
if you're after "fit' yes,
but fit for what?
Hills are more about power, where as flats are more endurance.


AMuzi May 16th 19 02:58 PM

Hills and Flats
 
On 5/15/2019 11:53 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019 09:33:12 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

Do you suppose climbing hills can put you into the same physical shape
as riding fast on the flats?


Shape isn't a defined physical state.
if you're after "fit' yes,
but fit for what?
Hills are more about power, where as flats are more endurance.


To quote the always quotable Rich Hammen in his newspaper
column 'Ask Captain America' when asked if one should train
by spinning small gears or pushing big gears. "To win, you
spin big gears."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



Tom Kunich[_5_] May 16th 19 05:02 PM

Hills and Flats
 
On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 6:58:03 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2019 11:53 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019 09:33:12 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

Do you suppose climbing hills can put you into the same physical shape
as riding fast on the flats?


Shape isn't a defined physical state.
if you're after "fit' yes,
but fit for what?
Hills are more about power, where as flats are more endurance.


To quote the always quotable Rich Hammen in his newspaper
column 'Ask Captain America' when asked if one should train
by spinning small gears or pushing big gears. "To win, you
spin big gears."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I think that there is something to both. I have done a couple of flat rides and moderate to hard paces and then Tuesday did a normally hard ride and was a whole mph higher average than the previous time on that same course. There are no stop signs on that course to interfere with your average.

Andre Jute[_2_] May 16th 19 06:08 PM

Hills and Flats
 
On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 2:58:03 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2019 11:53 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019 09:33:12 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

Do you suppose climbing hills can put you into the same physical shape
as riding fast on the flats?


Shape isn't a defined physical state.
if you're after "fit' yes,
but fit for what?
Hills are more about power, where as flats are more endurance.


To quote the always quotable Rich Hammen in his newspaper
column 'Ask Captain America' when asked if one should train
by spinning small gears or pushing big gears. "To win, you
spin big gears."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


What about those who came late to cycling and can't learn to spin, who mash on regardless?

Andre Jute
Don't shoot the cyclist, he's riding the road as made

AMuzi May 16th 19 06:42 PM

Hills and Flats
 
On 5/16/2019 12:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 2:58:03 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2019 11:53 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019 09:33:12 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

Do you suppose climbing hills can put you into the same physical shape
as riding fast on the flats?

Shape isn't a defined physical state.
if you're after "fit' yes,
but fit for what?
Hills are more about power, where as flats are more endurance.


To quote the always quotable Rich Hammen in his newspaper
column 'Ask Captain America' when asked if one should train
by spinning small gears or pushing big gears. "To win, you
spin big gears."


What about those who came late to cycling and can't learn to spin, who mash on regardless?

Andre Jute
Don't shoot the cyclist, he's riding the road as made


Any riding is a good thing but of course victory will not be
yours.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



Duane[_4_] May 16th 19 10:52 PM

Hills and Flats
 
AMuzi wrote:
On 5/16/2019 12:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 2:58:03 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2019 11:53 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019 09:33:12 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

Do you suppose climbing hills can put you into the same physical shape
as riding fast on the flats?

Shape isn't a defined physical state.
if you're after "fit' yes,
but fit for what?
Hills are more about power, where as flats are more endurance.


To quote the always quotable Rich Hammen in his newspaper
column 'Ask Captain America' when asked if one should train
by spinning small gears or pushing big gears. "To win, you
spin big gears."


What about those who came late to cycling and can't learn to spin, who mash on regardless?

Andre Jute
Don't shoot the cyclist, he's riding the road as made


Any riding is a good thing but of course victory will not be
yours.


Depends a lot on how you define victory.

--
duane

Tom Kunich[_5_] May 16th 19 11:27 PM

Hills and Flats
 
On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 10:08:42 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 2:58:03 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2019 11:53 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019 09:33:12 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

Do you suppose climbing hills can put you into the same physical shape
as riding fast on the flats?

Shape isn't a defined physical state.
if you're after "fit' yes,
but fit for what?
Hills are more about power, where as flats are more endurance.


To quote the always quotable Rich Hammen in his newspaper
column 'Ask Captain America' when asked if one should train
by spinning small gears or pushing big gears. "To win, you
spin big gears."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


What about those who came late to cycling and can't learn to spin, who mash on regardless?

Andre Jute
Don't shoot the cyclist, he's riding the road as made


Or those that came early and learned that you had a 42 small ring on a 23 freewheel. I simply cannot "spin" because when I push the pedal down the bike moves so little forward that I'm exhausted from going nowhere slowly.


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