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Bod[_5_] October 18th 18 07:05 PM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
Measures to help protect cyclists, including encouraging people to adopt
the "Dutch reach", are expected to be included in the new Highway Code.

The method of opening a car door using the hand furthest from the handle
forces drivers to turn and look behind them for passing cyclists.

The code will also give updated guidance on how to avoid the dangers of
close overtaking of cyclists.

Cycling UK said the move was a major step for cycle safety.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

This is getting silly. If people can't be trusted to check for cyclists
before they open a car door, then those drivers/passengers need
educating in basic observance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806
--
Bod

JNugent[_10_] October 19th 18 12:00 AM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
On 18/10/2018 19:05, Bod wrote:
Measures to help protect cyclists, including encouraging people to adopt
the "Dutch reach", are expected to be included in the new Highway Code.

The method of opening a car door using the hand furthest from the handle
forces drivers to turn and look behind them for passing cyclists.

The code will also give updated guidance on how to avoid the dangers of
close overtaking of cyclists.

Cycling UK said the move was a major step for cycle safety.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

This is getting silly. If people can't be trusted to check for cyclists
before they open a car door, then those drivers/passengers need
educating in basic observance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806


How would you propose to do that in the case of passengers?

Ban them from being carried in motor vehicles unless they meet your
standards?

Bod[_5_] October 19th 18 06:54 AM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
On 19/10/2018 00:00, JNugent wrote:
On 18/10/2018 19:05, Bod wrote:
Measures to help protect cyclists, including encouraging people to
adopt the "Dutch reach", are expected to be included in the new
Highway Code.

The method of opening a car door using the hand furthest from the
handle forces drivers to turn and look behind them for passing cyclists.

The code will also give updated guidance on how to avoid the dangers
of close overtaking of cyclists.

Cycling UK said the move was a major step for cycle safety.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

This is getting silly. If people can't be trusted to check for
cyclists before they open a car door, then those drivers/passengers
need educating in basic observance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806


How would you propose to do that in the case of passengers?

Ban them from being carried in motor vehicles unless they meet your
standards?

I was talking rhetorically, but some things can be done to try to

make people think and look before opening a car door.

Tv/newspapers etc , like the Green Cross Code safety showings and the
railway crossing safety info short videos.

--
Bod

JNugent[_10_] October 19th 18 10:42 PM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
On 19/10/2018 06:54, Bod wrote:
On 19/10/2018 00:00, JNugent wrote:
On 18/10/2018 19:05, Bod wrote:
Measures to help protect cyclists, including encouraging people to
adopt the "Dutch reach", are expected to be included in the new
Highway Code.

The method of opening a car door using the hand furthest from the
handle forces drivers to turn and look behind them for passing cyclists.

The code will also give updated guidance on how to avoid the dangers
of close overtaking of cyclists.

Cycling UK said the move was a major step for cycle safety.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

This is getting silly. If people can't be trusted to check for
cyclists before they open a car door, then those drivers/passengers
need educating in basic observance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806


How would you propose to do that in the case of passengers?

Ban them from being carried in motor vehicles unless they meet your
standards?

I was talking rhetorically,


OK, but is that likely to be successful?

but some things can be done to try to
make people think and look before opening a car door.


Such as...?

¬*Tv/newspapers¬* etc , like the Green Cross Code safety showings and the
railway crossing safety info short videos.


Well, alright (and it isn't a bad idea), but when was the last time you
saw a PFI on road or rail safety?

Bod[_5_] October 20th 18 06:50 AM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
On 19/10/2018 22:42, JNugent wrote:
On 19/10/2018 06:54, Bod wrote:
On 19/10/2018 00:00, JNugent wrote:
On 18/10/2018 19:05, Bod wrote:
Measures to help protect cyclists, including encouraging people to
adopt the "Dutch reach", are expected to be included in the new
Highway Code.

The method of opening a car door using the hand furthest from the
handle forces drivers to turn and look behind them for passing
cyclists.

The code will also give updated guidance on how to avoid the dangers
of close overtaking of cyclists.

Cycling UK said the move was a major step for cycle safety.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

This is getting silly. If people can't be trusted to check for
cyclists before they open a car door, then those drivers/passengers
need educating in basic observance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

How would you propose to do that in the case of passengers?

Ban them from being carried in motor vehicles unless they meet your
standards?

¬*
¬* I was talking rhetorically,


OK, but is that likely to be successful?

but some things can be done to try to make people think and look
before opening a car door.


Such as...?

¬*¬*Tv/newspapers¬* etc , like the Green Cross Code safety showings and
the railway crossing safety info short videos.


Well, alright (and it isn't a bad idea), but when was the last time you
saw a PFI on road or rail safety?

Recently they have been warning about the dangers of wearing

headphones whilst cycling and crossing roads etc.

Also, but not related to roads, they warned about the dangers of train
surfing.

--
Bod

JNugent[_10_] October 20th 18 12:01 PM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
On 20/10/2018 06:50, Bod wrote:
On 19/10/2018 22:42, JNugent wrote:
On 19/10/2018 06:54, Bod wrote:
On 19/10/2018 00:00, JNugent wrote:
On 18/10/2018 19:05, Bod wrote:
Measures to help protect cyclists, including encouraging people to
adopt the "Dutch reach", are expected to be included in the new
Highway Code.

The method of opening a car door using the hand furthest from the
handle forces drivers to turn and look behind them for passing
cyclists.

The code will also give updated guidance on how to avoid the
dangers of close overtaking of cyclists.

Cycling UK said the move was a major step for cycle safety.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

This is getting silly. If people can't be trusted to check for
cyclists before they open a car door, then those drivers/passengers
need educating in basic observance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

How would you propose to do that in the case of passengers?

Ban them from being carried in motor vehicles unless they meet your
standards?
¬*
¬* I was talking rhetorically,


OK, but is that likely to be successful?

but some things can be done to try to make people think and look
before opening a car door.


Such as...?

¬*¬*Tv/newspapers¬* etc , like the Green Cross Code safety showings and
the railway crossing safety info short videos.


Well, alright (and it isn't a bad idea), but when was the last time
you saw a PFI on road or rail safety?

Recently they have been warning about the dangers of wearing

headphones whilst cycling and crossing roads etc.

Also, but not related to roads, they warned about the dangers of train
surfing.


I am glad to hear that the once ubiquitous PFI is not dead, but were
these shown on the main TV channels?

Bod[_5_] October 20th 18 12:28 PM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
On 20/10/2018 12:01, JNugent wrote:
On 20/10/2018 06:50, Bod wrote:
On 19/10/2018 22:42, JNugent wrote:
On 19/10/2018 06:54, Bod wrote:
On 19/10/2018 00:00, JNugent wrote:
On 18/10/2018 19:05, Bod wrote:
Measures to help protect cyclists, including encouraging people to
adopt the "Dutch reach", are expected to be included in the new
Highway Code.

The method of opening a car door using the hand furthest from the
handle forces drivers to turn and look behind them for passing
cyclists.

The code will also give updated guidance on how to avoid the
dangers of close overtaking of cyclists.

Cycling UK said the move was a major step for cycle safety.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

This is getting silly. If people can't be trusted to check for
cyclists before they open a car door, then those
drivers/passengers need educating in basic observance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

How would you propose to do that in the case of passengers?

Ban them from being carried in motor vehicles unless they meet your
standards?
¬*
¬* I was talking rhetorically,

OK, but is that likely to be successful?

but some things can be done to try to make people think and look
before opening a car door.

Such as...?

¬*¬*Tv/newspapers¬* etc , like the Green Cross Code safety showings and
the railway crossing safety info short videos.

Well, alright (and it isn't a bad idea), but when was the last time
you saw a PFI on road or rail safety?

Recently they have been warning about the dangers of wearing

headphones whilst cycling and crossing roads etc.

Also, but not related to roads, they warned about the dangers of train
surfing.


I am glad to hear that the once ubiquitous PFI is not dead, but were
these shown on the main TV channels?

As far as I remember, yes.


--
Bod

Simon Jester October 20th 18 02:15 PM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 10:42:15 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

Well, alright (and it isn't a bad idea), but when was the last time you
saw a PFI on road or rail safety?


Shouldn't that be PIF, Public Information Film?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4suF8aa4Yv4&t=3s


JNugent[_10_] October 20th 18 02:43 PM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
On 20/10/2018 12:28, Bod wrote:
On 20/10/2018 12:01, JNugent wrote:
On 20/10/2018 06:50, Bod wrote:
On 19/10/2018 22:42, JNugent wrote:
On 19/10/2018 06:54, Bod wrote:
On 19/10/2018 00:00, JNugent wrote:
On 18/10/2018 19:05, Bod wrote:
Measures to help protect cyclists, including encouraging people
to adopt the "Dutch reach", are expected to be included in the
new Highway Code.

The method of opening a car door using the hand furthest from the
handle forces drivers to turn and look behind them for passing
cyclists.

The code will also give updated guidance on how to avoid the
dangers of close overtaking of cyclists.

Cycling UK said the move was a major step for cycle safety.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

This is getting silly. If people can't be trusted to check for
cyclists before they open a car door, then those
drivers/passengers need educating in basic observance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45900806

How would you propose to do that in the case of passengers?

Ban them from being carried in motor vehicles unless they meet
your standards?
¬*
¬* I was talking rhetorically,

OK, but is that likely to be successful?

but some things can be done to try to make people think and look
before opening a car door.

Such as...?

¬*¬*Tv/newspapers¬* etc , like the Green Cross Code safety showings
and the railway crossing safety info short videos.

Well, alright (and it isn't a bad idea), but when was the last time
you saw a PFI on road or rail safety?

Recently they have been warning about the dangers of wearing
headphones whilst cycling and crossing roads etc.

Also, but not related to roads, they warned about the dangers of
train surfing.


I am glad to hear that the once ubiquitous PFI is not dead, but were
these shown on the main TV channels?

As far as I remember, yes.


I don't remember seeing any for years.

I hope Joe and Petunia have a good pension scheme.



JNugent[_10_] October 20th 18 02:43 PM

Highway Code may include 'Dutch reach' to keep cyclists safe
 
On 20/10/2018 14:15, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 10:42:15 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

Well, alright (and it isn't a bad idea), but when was the last time you
saw a PFI on road or rail safety?


Shouldn't that be PIF, Public Information Film?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4suF8aa4Yv4&t=3s


Yes, it should.

Mea Culpa.


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