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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... I am crude with everyone, Eddie, but certainly there is no reason to be polite to someone who harasses, harangues and abuses everyone here. Who, me? I think she must have me mixed up with someone else. I am the soul of gentility and politeness - one of the last gentlemen left in this world. Please cite examples of your polite and chivalrous behavior. I must see this! Oh, Eddie, all you know about women you saw in the movies. Real women are far more interesting than your make believe ones. Jeez! I wish them to live happily ever after and this is what I get for my good wishes for them. OK then, don't live happily ever after. Have a perfectly miserable life like everyone else - and welcome to the human race! I think women are perfectly miserable just like men, and men are perfectly happy just like women. You can't make generalizations like that about either gender. Was Scott here when you got here? Scott was a very fun person to debate with. He almost convinced me that women's lib has made women's lives worse by enabling men to leave their families and stick the woman with all the responsibility. I believe having choices is always better, even if they do make us unhappy. |
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"Child" wrote in message ... [...] Edward Dolan wrote: A religion that is not organized is no religion at all. Even cults are highly organized. There would simply be no Jews in this world at all if they were not into having an "organized religion". You would have gone the way of the Philistines. You do know who the Philistines were, don't you? You really need to argue about something you know at little bit about, because otherwise you end up looking like an ignoramus. Many of the jews in the world today do not practice any religion, but instead consider themselves secular jews. Secular jews follow the customs of judasim, respect the values and celebrate the holidays in a non-religious way. I even went to secular hebrew school as a kid, where we learned both yiddish and hebrew, celebrated jewish holidays and learned about the history of the jewish people. The Israeli people you speak so highly of are highly non-religious. In fact, when I went to visit my brother in Israel on kibbutz, they served pork for breakfast on Yom Kippur. Since the kibbuts normally do not serve any sort of meat at breakfast, it was an obvious stab at the religious right in Israel. The population of non-practicing jews in israel is huge. It is the religious Jew that is responsible for there even being any Jews left in the world today. The so-called secular Jew will be the death of the Jew in history, at least outside of Israel. Obviously, you do not have any idea why the Jews still exist in the world today and why the Philistines don't. A clue for you: it has nothing to do with the Jews being secular. By the way, it is the emigration to Israel of the oriental and Russian Jews who have saved Israel from itself. They are highly conservative and they know what to think of the g.d. Muslims. Without them, Israel would be a basket case. It is the orthodox Jews and the religious Jews that will save Israel, not the Westernized secular Jews from Europe and America. A secular Jew is living off the hundreds of generations of Jews who have ensured the Jewish survival in the world due to nothing other than their religion. You are not a self hating Jew, but you are an ignorant Jew. The result will be the same. You will pass out of history. By rejecting your religion you have rejected the essence of your Jewish heritage. In fact, you are not really a Jew by so doing. Your children, if you ever have any, will most certainly not be Jews. Too many like you and that is the end of the Jews in history. Welcome to the gentile world. You really dont' know a damn thing about jews, then do you? Even the most orthodox jew on earth recognizes me as a jew. They might think i am a bad jew, but a jew nonetheless. Judaism passes from mother to child, so all of my children will be jews, even though their father is not jewish. Perhaps you need to stop thinking about judaism as being equivalent to catholicism, and you will be capable of understanding the concept. It is because of Jews like you that are marrying non-Jews that the Jews will eventually disappear from most societies. That mother to child thing is a slender reed and will not hold up once the religious glue is gone. The only thing that will save the Jews now is the State of Israel, provided they maintain that Israel should always be a Jewish state. In other words, they have to keep the Arabs out or that will be the end of them too. By the way, I knew very many Jews when I lived in New York, and even the so-called secular Jews always struck me as being very religious. They mostly married only other Jews and they did not pretend that religion did not matter to them. Too many Jews like you and the Jews are history. -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... Child wrote: ... Cursing is part of my heritage that I embrace. I learned it from my family. We are proud, talented cursers.... But anyone who replies to an Usenet post with the response, "No ****" does not deserve the privilege of posting to Usenet. ;) -- Tom Sherman – Quad City Area I do not think "AN Usenet post" can be correct. It does not sound right. Whereas "A Usenet post" does sound right. Normally "an" before a word that starts with a vowel is right, but I wonder if there aren't some exceptions to that rule. What do you think? -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Child" wrote in message ... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message .. [...] But you will soon be confined to the nursery and the kitchen where you belong and all will be right with the world once again. I believe the other k the Germans talk about has to do with the church, so you should really think about taking up religion. A women who is an atheist is way over her head. Again, leave these type of intellectual matters to us men. Big brains are required the minute you leave the normal path of mankind. Your attempts to get a rise out of me are amusing, Eddie! I won't be quitting work or giving up my position as breadwinner in our family any time soon! Thanks for playing! You may be able to squeak by with just one baby, but any more than that and you will be at home confined to the nursery, the kitchen and the church (the three k's so beloved of the Germans) - where you and all women belong. Your husband, whether he likes it or not, will end up the breadwinner. No more cycling for you! Instead, you will be pushing a baby carriage down those mean streets of Anchorage and chattering with all the other moms about your little bundles of joy. It has been ever thus. All you ever really had was a prolonged adolescence. Time to grow up now and be an adult. -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Child" wrote in message ... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... I am crude with everyone, Eddie, but certainly there is no reason to be polite to someone who harasses, harangues and abuses everyone here. Who, me? I think she must have me mixed up with someone else. I am the soul of gentility and politeness - one of the last gentlemen left in this world. Please cite examples of your polite and chivalrous behavior. I must see this! It is enough for me to assert that something is so for it to be so. Facts, proof, examples - these are for lesser creatures than myself. Did you not know that I sit at the right hand of the Almighty Himself? Oh, Eddie, all you know about women you saw in the movies. Real women are far more interesting than your make believe ones. Jeez! I wish them to live happily ever after and this is what I get for my good wishes for them. OK then, don't live happily ever after. Have a perfectly miserable life like everyone else - and welcome to the human race! I think women are perfectly miserable just like men, and men are perfectly happy just like women. You can't make generalizations like that about either gender. Generalizations are of the essence. If you can't make generalizations, then you do not know enough. Actually, both men and women are perfectly miserable 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time they have the illusion they are partially happy, but they really aren't. They are just deluded. Was Scott here when you got here? Scott was a very fun person to debate with. He almost convinced me that women's lib has made women's lives worse by enabling men to leave their families and stick the woman with all the responsibility. I believe having choices is always better, even if they do make us unhappy. I think Scott (of Arizona?) has left this group for greener pastures elsewhere, mainly because of me I am afraid. We could never see eye to eye on anything under the sun. He left in disgust because he could not counter my arguments (but who the hell can). However, if he was not in favor of women's lib, then I think we would finally have found something we could agree on. But I want women to have all the freedom of choice they want and can handle. But when a woman chooses marriage (and children) then, like the man, there are things that you have to give up. It is not possible to have all the freedom that you might desire when you have chosen something which is going to limit that freedom. Responsibilities that go with choices are of the essence. I never married because I never wanted children. This has consequences for me too. No one can have anything approaching absolute freedom of choice. It is a chimera. Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota PS. I have noted a definite improvement in your writing lately. If you would now capitalize that which needs to be capitalized, I think you will have arrived. |
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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: "Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... Curtis L. Russell wrote: ...OTOH, its great taking ALL the holidays off.... Practice Islam on Friday, Judaism on Saturday and Christianity on Sunday. -- Tom Sherman ?Quad City Area Islam is not in the same category as the other two religions, being mainly a primitive Arab atrocity inflicted on the world. However, even Judaism is basically only a tribal religion. The only true universal religion is Christianity. All those others are infinitely inferior. Thus spake Zarathustra. Over your head, Mr. Ed! [Zing] It was most likely way under my head, Mr. Tom! [Plop] -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "Child" wrote in message ... [...] Edward Dolan wrote: A religion that is not organized is no religion at all. Even cults are highly organized. There would simply be no Jews in this world at all if they were not into having an "organized religion". You would have gone the way of the Philistines. You do know who the Philistines were, don't you? You really need to argue about something you know at little bit about, because otherwise you end up looking like an ignoramus. Many of the jews in the world today do not practice any religion, but instead consider themselves secular jews. Secular jews follow the customs of judasim, respect the values and celebrate the holidays in a non-religious way. I even went to secular hebrew school as a kid, where we learned both yiddish and hebrew, celebrated jewish holidays and learned about the history of the jewish people. The Israeli people you speak so highly of are highly non-religious. In fact, when I went to visit my brother in Israel on kibbutz, they served pork for breakfast on Yom Kippur. Since the kibbuts normally do not serve any sort of meat at breakfast, it was an obvious stab at the religious right in Israel. The population of non-practicing jews in israel is huge. It is the religious Jew that is responsible for there even being any Jews left in the world today. The so-called secular Jew will be the death of the Jew in history, at least outside of Israel. Obviously, you do not have any idea why the Jews still exist in the world today and why the Philistines don't. A clue for you: it has nothing to do with the Jews being secular. the same could be said for all christians - religious jews are responsible for there being any christians in the world today! A secular Jew is living off the hundreds of generations of Jews who have ensured the Jewish survival in the world due to nothing other than their religion. You are not a self hating Jew, but you are an ignorant Jew. The result will be the same. You will pass out of history. Since the holocaust took place the secular movement has become a really important part of jewish culture. In fact, zionism is almost completely secular. The simple fact that hitler considered the lapsed jews (i.e. anyone who had a jewish grandparent) jewish and killed them has given the secular movement a reason to exist and a strong foundation. I was raised athiest, but strongly jewish - and reminded constantly that we cannot forget we are jewish because anti-semites will never forget. You really dont' know a damn thing about jews, then do you? Even the most orthodox jew on earth recognizes me as a jew. They might think i am a bad jew, but a jew nonetheless. Judaism passes from mother to child, so all of my children will be jews, even though their father is not jewish. Perhaps you need to stop thinking about judaism as being equivalent to catholicism, and you will be capable of understanding the concept. It is because of Jews like you that are marrying non-Jews that the Jews will eventually disappear from most societies. That mother to child thing is a slender reed and will not hold up once the religious glue is gone. The only thing that will save the Jews now is the State of Israel, provided they maintain that Israel should always be a Jewish state. In other words, they have to keep the Arabs out or that will be the end of them too. Religion is not the glue that binds the jews together. Its shared values and a history of oppression. I have many orthodox friends, and we have much in common, despite our obvious differences. And they respect me as much as I respect them. By the way, I knew very many Jews when I lived in New York, and even the so-called secular Jews always struck me as being very religious. They mostly married only other Jews and they did not pretend that religion did not matter to them. Too many Jews like you and the Jews are history. Secular is by definition not religious and I am probably very similar to the jews you knew in new york. I might have married a jewish man if there were more than five of them in anchorage, but as it is, my children will be proud jews and probably attend hebrew school at the reformed synagogue for their jewish education (not many choices). I belong to a israeli folk dancing group that belongs to the synagogue and have considered joining - there are many secular jews who are members in order to give their families a sense of jewish community, but i am not yet ready to make that jump. |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "Child" wrote in message ... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message .. [...] But you will soon be confined to the nursery and the kitchen where you belong and all will be right with the world once again. I believe the other k the Germans talk about has to do with the church, so you should really think about taking up religion. A women who is an atheist is way over her head. Again, leave these type of intellectual matters to us men. Big brains are required the minute you leave the normal path of mankind. Your attempts to get a rise out of me are amusing, Eddie! I won't be quitting work or giving up my position as breadwinner in our family any time soon! Thanks for playing! You may be able to squeak by with just one baby, but any more than that and you will be at home confined to the nursery, the kitchen and the church (the three k's so beloved of the Germans) - where you and all women belong. Your husband, whether he likes it or not, will end up the breadwinner. No more cycling for you! Instead, you will be pushing a baby carriage down those mean streets of Anchorage and chattering with all the other moms about your little bundles of joy. It has been ever thus. I don't know if we have time for more than one. I am no spring chicken. And we can't afford for me to stay home, but we can afford to have mike to stay home. so that answers that dillemma. All you ever really had was a prolonged adolescence. Time to grow up now and be an adult. I love my prolonged adolescence - i have been very lucky to have such a great, responsibility free time until now. |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... Please cite examples of your polite and chivalrous behavior. I must see this! It is enough for me to assert that something is so for it to be so. Facts, proof, examples - these are for lesser creatures than myself. Did you not know that I sit at the right hand of the Almighty Himself? No! do you have a photo of that? Or at least a cite? vbg Oh, Eddie, all you know about women you saw in the movies. Real women are far more interesting than your make believe ones. Jeez! I wish them to live happily ever after and this is what I get for my good wishes for them. OK then, don't live happily ever after. Have a perfectly miserable life like everyone else - and welcome to the human race! I think women are perfectly miserable just like men, and men are perfectly happy just like women. You can't make generalizations like that about either gender. Generalizations are of the essence. If you can't make generalizations, then you do not know enough. Actually, both men and women are perfectly miserable 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time they have the illusion they are partially happy, but they really aren't. They are just deluded. this is probably at least partially accurate, but imagine if you will being on your bike flying down a hill with the wind in your hair, sun at your back. If you could do that 10% of the time, you could be happy at least that much. Was Scott here when you got here? Scott was a very fun person to debate with. He almost convinced me that women's lib has made women's lives worse by enabling men to leave their families and stick the woman with all the responsibility. I believe having choices is always better, even if they do make us unhappy. I think Scott (of Arizona?) has left this group for greener pastures elsewhere, mainly because of me I am afraid. We could never see eye to eye on anything under the sun. He left in disgust because he could not counter my arguments (but who the hell can). However, if he was not in favor of women's lib, then I think we would finally have found something we could agree on. But I want women to have all the freedom of choice they want and can handle. But when a woman chooses marriage (and children) then, like the man, there are things that you have to give up. It is not possible to have all the freedom that you might desire when you have chosen something which is going to limit that freedom. Responsibilities that go with choices are of the essence. I considered this before I got married - but realized that i had already given up those freedoms for the relationship. children will absolutely affect both of our lives profoundly, and thats a bit scary and disconcerting for me. I never married because I never wanted children. This has consequences for me too. No one can have anything approaching absolute freedom of choice. It is a chimera. Its not too late - lots of widows your age looking for a hermit to cook and clean for. PS. I have noted a definite improvement in your writing lately. If you would now capitalize that which needs to be capitalized, I think you will have arrived. I am too busy to be affected. Too much work and too little time. |
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"Child" wrote in message ... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "Child" wrote in message ... [...] Edward Dolan wrote: A religion that is not organized is no religion at all. Even cults are highly organized. There would simply be no Jews in this world at all if they were not into having an "organized religion". You would have gone the way of the Philistines. You do know who the Philistines were, don't you? You really need to argue about something you know at little bit about, because otherwise you end up looking like an ignoramus. Many of the jews in the world today do not practice any religion, but instead consider themselves secular jews. Secular jews follow the customs of judasim, respect the values and celebrate the holidays in a non-religious way. I even went to secular hebrew school as a kid, where we learned both yiddish and hebrew, celebrated jewish holidays and learned about the history of the jewish people. The Israeli people you speak so highly of are highly non-religious. In fact, when I went to visit my brother in Israel on kibbutz, they served pork for breakfast on Yom Kippur. Since the kibbuts normally do not serve any sort of meat at breakfast, it was an obvious stab at the religious right in Israel. The population of non-practicing jews in israel is huge. It is the religious Jew that is responsible for there even being any Jews left in the world today. The so-called secular Jew will be the death of the Jew in history, at least outside of Israel. Obviously, you do not have any idea why the Jews still exist in the world today and why the Philistines don't. A clue for you: it has nothing to do with the Jews being secular. the same could be said for all christians - religious jews are responsible for there being any christians in the world today! When the French are no longer Christian, there will still be a France and the French (if they are not overwhelmed by the Muslims). Christianity is not necessary for the French to survive because they forged a nation long ago. However, that is not true of the Jew until recently when they forged the nation of Israel. The Jew has survived down through the ages without a nation precisely because of their strong religion. Without their very peculiar religion (monotheism) the Jews would have passed into history long ago. The Armenians and the Kurds are other interesting peoples who have survived without a nation but their continued existence is always in jeopardy because of it. I do think the Jews may survive now into the future because of the existence of the State of Israel. It may be that many Jews can now afford to be secular, but that is not how they survived. I believe that the US will always be the guarantor of Israel's existence, at least I hope so. The Jews are the most remarkable people in the history of the world. They have survived down through the ages when all other ancient peoples have perished or been absorbed by other peoples and lost to history. And it was all due to their remarkable religion and to their being the people of the Book. Without those two vital elements, they would have gone the way of the ancient Philistines. A secular Jew is living off the hundreds of generations of Jews who have ensured the Jewish survival in the world due to nothing other than their religion. You are not a self hating Jew, but you are an ignorant Jew. The result will be the same. You will pass out of history. Since the holocaust took place the secular movement has become a really important part of jewish culture. In fact, zionism is almost completely secular. The simple fact that hitler considered the lapsed jews (i.e. anyone who had a jewish grandparent) jewish and killed them has given the secular movement a reason to exist and a strong foundation. I was raised athiest, but strongly jewish - and reminded constantly that we cannot forget we are jewish because anti-semites will never forget. All well and good. But you will never be able to abandon your religion. It would be suicidal to do so. There is a strong tribal element to being a Jew, but the religion is the key to it all. You really dont' know a damn thing about jews, then do you? Even the most orthodox jew on earth recognizes me as a jew. They might think i am a bad jew, but a jew nonetheless. Judaism passes from mother to child, so all of my children will be jews, even though their father is not jewish. Perhaps you need to stop thinking about judaism as being equivalent to catholicism, and you will be capable of understanding the concept. It is because of Jews like you that are marrying non-Jews that the Jews will eventually disappear from most societies. That mother to child thing is a slender reed and will not hold up once the religious glue is gone. The only thing that will save the Jews now is the State of Israel, provided they maintain that Israel should always be a Jewish state. In other words, they have to keep the Arabs out or that will be the end of them too. Religion is not the glue that binds the jews together. Its shared values and a history of oppression. I have many orthodox friends, and we have much in common, despite our obvious differences. And they respect me as much as I respect them. Those shared values and the history of oppression will fade - as they already have for most American Jews. Abandon your religion at your peril. The orthodox Jew will save Judaism. By the way, I knew very many Jews when I lived in New York, and even the so-called secular Jews always struck me as being very religious. They mostly married only other Jews and they did not pretend that religion did not matter to them. Too many Jews like you and the Jews are history. Secular is by definition not religious and I am probably very similar to the jews you knew in new york. I might have married a jewish man if there were more than five of them in anchorage, but as it is, my children will be proud jews and probably attend hebrew school at the reformed synagogue for their jewish education (not many choices). I belong to a israeli folk dancing group that belongs to the synagogue and have considered joining - there are many secular jews who are members in order to give their families a sense of jewish community, but i am not yet ready to make that jump. Intermarriage is the beginning of the end for the Jew as it is for the Catholic. The religion will eventually be lost and so will the identification of being Jewish as intermarriage continues generation after generation. It will be an uphill struggle to maintain your identification as a Jew. Eventually, you or your children will be absorbed into the gentile world. It was ever thus. -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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