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How flat are The Netherlands?
Maybe as a welcome distraction from the political and Covid-19 related mudslinging. We closed our Vancouver BC branch a year ago. Some colleagues moved over here and one of them is a close colleague now. I asked him what he found was special about The Netherlands. The first thing he mentioned: 'it is so incredibly flat'. Hmm... i didn't knew that ;-) and I paid attention during my 114 km ride yesterday in which I managed a total elevation gain of a whopping 124 m (Strava corrected value). I took a random picture along the route:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ssWbEvubmNiMxXf8 Yeah it is really flat I must admit. have a nice day Lou |
How flat are The Netherlands?
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 2:56:08 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Maybe as a welcome distraction from the political and Covid-19 related mudslinging. We closed our Vancouver BC branch a year ago. Some colleagues moved over here and one of them is a close colleague now. I asked him what he found was special about The Netherlands. The first thing he mentioned: 'it is so incredibly flat'. Hmm... i didn't knew that ;-) and I paid attention during my 114 km ride yesterday in which I managed a total elevation gain of a whopping 124 m (Strava corrected value). I took a random picture along the route: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ssWbEvubmNiMxXf8 Yeah it is really flat I must admit. have a nice day Lou Holland is so flat that most of the cargo is moved by barges on their many canal systems. Most of their cities and industries are built around the canals. While there must be some high spots they are few and far between. The windmill systems used to pump the water around so that they could go from lock to lock and keep the canals filled. There are many places in the lowlands where there are hillocks that are incredibly steep as is often demonstrated in the Belgium classics and are also present in relatively flat Pennsylvania, but the majority of these places are flat. Those places are geologically unique. |
How flat are The Netherlands?
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How flat are The Netherlands?
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 7:49:14 PM UTC+2, Axel Reichert wrote:
writes: On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 2:56:08 AM UTC-7, wrote: 114 km [...] elevation gain of a whopping 124 m There are many places in the lowlands where there are hillocks that are incredibly steep as is often demonstrated in the Belgium classics For several years I lived in the tri-point area (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium). This is where I became addicted to cycling. I preferred to ride in the Netherlands (friendly drivers, good roads) over Belgium (friendly drivers, terrible roads) and Germany (unfriendly drivers, good roads). That area is very hilly in comparison to Munich (which is thought be pre-Alps ...). I had a favourite round trip of 60 km with 1000 m elevation gain (mostly short, steep hillocks), whereas here I gather maybe 250 m on the same distance. The Dutch (not Belgian) Amstel Gold Race goes through that area (after around 100 km pan-cake flat warm-up). I did one of the shorter tourist versions of that race and picked the one without the flat warm-up, but the hills concentrated. It had 2000 m elevation gain for 150 km. I saw many people push their bikes, who did not expect any significant climbing there. It is a great area, I can highly recommend it. It is the exception, though, the rest of the country is indeed flat. Best regards Axel -- -X- | in memoriam John Conway --X | 1937-2020 XXX | A glider from his "Game of Life" Indeed, it is about 70 km from where I live. Short (1-2 km) 5-15% climbs but a lot of them within a short distance. I have a 110 km route with 1600 m elevation gain. Lou |
How flat are The Netherlands?
Axel Reichert wrote:
writes: On Thursday, May 21, , wrote: 114 km [...] elevation gain of a whopping 124 m There are many places in the lowlands where there are hillocks that are incredibly steep as is often demonstrated in the Belgium classics For several years I lived in the tri-point area (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium). This is where I became addicted to cycling. I preferred to ride in the Netherlands (friendly drivers, good roads) over Belgium (friendly drivers, terrible roads) and Germany (unfriendly drivers, good roads). That area is very hilly in comparison to Munich (which is thought be pre-Alps ...). I had a favourite round trip of 60 km with 1000 m elevation gain (mostly short, steep hillocks), whereas here I gather maybe 250 m on the same distance. You definitively need a super fast, but more comfortable new bike because your 60 km round trip is too short to catch more hills. Without an Emonda, you are essentially limited to riding in circles including Harlachinger Berg and Grynwalder Bridge bridge. The Dutch (not Belgian) Amstel Gold Race goes through that area (after around 100 km pan-cake flat warm-up). I did one of the shorter tourist versions of that race and picked the one without the flat warm-up, but the hills concentrated. It had 2000 m elevation gain for 150 km. I saw many people push their bikes, who did not expect any significant climbing there. It is a great area, I can highly recommend it. It is the exception, though, the rest of the country is indeed flat. I think it's all the heavy Holstein-Friesian cattle's fault! See how everything is flat on the photo where they stomp? It's a pattern, I'm telling you. |
How flat are The Netherlands?
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 10:49:14 AM UTC-7, Axel Reichert wrote:
writes: On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 2:56:08 AM UTC-7, wrote: 114 km [...] elevation gain of a whopping 124 m There are many places in the lowlands where there are hillocks that are incredibly steep as is often demonstrated in the Belgium classics For several years I lived in the tri-point area (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium). This is where I became addicted to cycling. I preferred to ride in the Netherlands (friendly drivers, good roads) over Belgium (friendly drivers, terrible roads) and Germany (unfriendly drivers, good roads). That area is very hilly in comparison to Munich (which is thought be pre-Alps ...). I had a favourite round trip of 60 km with 1000 m elevation gain (mostly short, steep hillocks), whereas here I gather maybe 250 m on the same distance. The Dutch (not Belgian) Amstel Gold Race goes through that area (after around 100 km pan-cake flat warm-up). I did one of the shorter tourist versions of that race and picked the one without the flat warm-up, but the hills concentrated. It had 2000 m elevation gain for 150 km. I saw many people push their bikes, who did not expect any significant climbing there. It is a great area, I can highly recommend it. It is the exception, though, the rest of the country is indeed flat. Best regards Axel I just took a couple of hours and did 538 m in 58 km but it is almost all in 5 km. I assume that is what you mean about people pushing their bikes. |
How flat are The Netherlands?
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 1:45:11 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 10:49:14 AM UTC-7, Axel Reichert wrote: writes: On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 2:56:08 AM UTC-7, wrote: 114 km [...] elevation gain of a whopping 124 m There are many places in the lowlands where there are hillocks that are incredibly steep as is often demonstrated in the Belgium classics For several years I lived in the tri-point area (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium). This is where I became addicted to cycling. I preferred to ride in the Netherlands (friendly drivers, good roads) over Belgium (friendly drivers, terrible roads) and Germany (unfriendly drivers, good roads). That area is very hilly in comparison to Munich (which is thought be pre-Alps ...). I had a favourite round trip of 60 km with 1000 m elevation gain (mostly short, steep hillocks), whereas here I gather maybe 250 m on the same distance. The Dutch (not Belgian) Amstel Gold Race goes through that area (after around 100 km pan-cake flat warm-up). I did one of the shorter tourist versions of that race and picked the one without the flat warm-up, but the hills concentrated. It had 2000 m elevation gain for 150 km. I saw many people push their bikes, who did not expect any significant climbing there. It is a great area, I can highly recommend it. It is the exception, though, the rest of the country is indeed flat. Best regards Axel I just took a couple of hours and did 538 m in 58 km but it is almost all in 5 km. I assume that is what you mean about people pushing their bikes. I got that elevation on my 25km lunch ride with no epic climbing -- just the usual climb into the West Hills. If you want to rack up serious elevation in town, you have to do laps. https://ridewithgps.com/ambassador_r...on-of-de-ronde There are no 4 mile climbs until you get out of town. The Santa Clara Valley is the place to live because you can ride flat all day or head up into the hills. Hills are totally elective, and there are some spectacular climbs. Where I live, there is always a mandatory climb to get home unless I start by going up. Not a long climb, but at the end of a hard ride, I wish there was a rope tow. -- Jay Beattie. |
How flat are The Netherlands?
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 3:08:13 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 1:45:11 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 10:49:14 AM UTC-7, Axel Reichert wrote: writes: On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 2:56:08 AM UTC-7, wrote: 114 km [...] elevation gain of a whopping 124 m There are many places in the lowlands where there are hillocks that are incredibly steep as is often demonstrated in the Belgium classics For several years I lived in the tri-point area (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium). This is where I became addicted to cycling. I preferred to ride in the Netherlands (friendly drivers, good roads) over Belgium (friendly drivers, terrible roads) and Germany (unfriendly drivers, good roads). That area is very hilly in comparison to Munich (which is thought be pre-Alps ...). I had a favourite round trip of 60 km with 1000 m elevation gain (mostly short, steep hillocks), whereas here I gather maybe 250 m on the same distance. The Dutch (not Belgian) Amstel Gold Race goes through that area (after around 100 km pan-cake flat warm-up). I did one of the shorter tourist versions of that race and picked the one without the flat warm-up, but the hills concentrated. It had 2000 m elevation gain for 150 km. I saw many people push their bikes, who did not expect any significant climbing there. It is a great area, I can highly recommend it. It is the exception, though, the rest of the country is indeed flat. Best regards Axel I just took a couple of hours and did 538 m in 58 km but it is almost all in 5 km. I assume that is what you mean about people pushing their bikes.. I got that elevation on my 25km lunch ride with no epic climbing -- just the usual climb into the West Hills. If you want to rack up serious elevation in town, you have to do laps. https://ridewithgps.com/ambassador_r...on-of-de-ronde There are no 4 mile climbs until you get out of town. The Santa Clara Valley is the place to live because you can ride flat all day or head up into the hills. Hills are totally elective, and there are some spectacular climbs. Where I live, there is always a mandatory climb to get home unless I start by going up. Not a long climb, but at the end of a hard ride, I wish there was a rope tow. -- Jay Beattie. Our normal Tuesday ride before businesses were closed was 37 miles and 3,400 feet of climbing including many places with as much as 14%. Since there's no place to stop now I am stuck doing rides where I do a continuous ride. That is generally limited to 35 miles but last Saturday it was 50 miles and 2400 feet. Although on the climb back up to the Golden Gate bridge I did stop on the climb but more from the stress of the damn traffic than being exhausted. |
How flat are The Netherlands?
On 5/21/2020 3:23 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Axel Reichert wrote: writes: On Thursday, May 21, , wrote: 114 km [...] elevation gain of a whopping 124 m There are many places in the lowlands where there are hillocks that are incredibly steep as is often demonstrated in the Belgium classics For several years I lived in the tri-point area (Germany, Netherlands, Belgium). This is where I became addicted to cycling. I preferred to ride in the Netherlands (friendly drivers, good roads) over Belgium (friendly drivers, terrible roads) and Germany (unfriendly drivers, good roads). That area is very hilly in comparison to Munich (which is thought be pre-Alps ...). I had a favourite round trip of 60 km with 1000 m elevation gain (mostly short, steep hillocks), whereas here I gather maybe 250 m on the same distance. You definitively need a super fast, but more comfortable new bike because your 60 km round trip is too short to catch more hills. Without an Emonda, you are essentially limited to riding in circles including Harlachinger Berg and Grynwalder Bridge bridge. The Dutch (not Belgian) Amstel Gold Race goes through that area (after around 100 km pan-cake flat warm-up). I did one of the shorter tourist versions of that race and picked the one without the flat warm-up, but the hills concentrated. It had 2000 m elevation gain for 150 km. I saw many people push their bikes, who did not expect any significant climbing there. It is a great area, I can highly recommend it. It is the exception, though, the rest of the country is indeed flat. I think it's all the heavy Holstein-Friesian cattle's fault! See how everything is flat on the photo where they stomp? It's a pattern, I'm telling you. Ours need to get busy on that. Here they are discussing geoforming: https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/hols...s-79593390.jpg -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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