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Tom Kunich[_2_] February 3rd 20 10:19 PM

Bridge lane
 
On the Richmond San Rafael Bridge in place of a "parking lane" on one side they installed a protected bike lane. This bridge has two layers with this bi-directional bike lane on only the bottom layer.

Already the drivers are crying that if they get a "fender bender" during commute hours it slows them up too much to have to pull into the parking lane across one additional lane.

Drivers now are so Whackadoodle that they ASSUME that there will be wrecks in the commute traffic. It would never occur to them for one second that if they drive carefully, instead of weaving from lane to lane as fast as they can possibly go, that fender benders would seldom happen and if they would allow cars in the other lane to move through to the damaged vehicle lane that there would be extremely little traffic problems. On 5 lane freeways we have cars in the far right hand lane doing 85 mph when traffic is trying to enter there.

Instead we have perhaps 10% of the drivers going a minimum of 15 mph over the speed limit and cops doing nothing about it. In the last 8 or 9 years since I've been cogent enough to watch I HAVE seen the very occasional cop with a car at the side of the road but it might very well have been the cop simply calling a tow truck. The only time I saw a ticket book out was in a two car accident.

There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now. The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge. Also the Bay Bridge bike lane only goes as far as Treasure Island as they argue about how they can fit a bike lane on the old San Francisco suspension bridge side. They can't hang a lane off on the side of the bridge without a balancing bridge on the other side. They are talking about laying a bridge over the top of the double layer structure But that would require thought and San Franciscans are woefully inadequate when it comes to that practice.

Joerg[_2_] February 5th 20 08:53 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now. The
San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.



I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like a
suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/

Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

JBeattie February 6th 20 04:20 AM

Bridge lane
 
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now. The
San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.



I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like a
suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/

Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

That is a scary bridge, but that's the wrong bridge. Carquinez Bridge is across the Carquinez Straights in the north Bay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carquinez_Bridge The photo is the I-5 Pitt River Bridge over Lake Shasta. https://tinyurl.com/yx5tsb4w It's posted for bicycles, and I've seen cycle tourists on it once. I've been over it maybe 20 times or more commuting from Oregon to California. I thought the cyclists were nuts, but I think its the only option for getting over the lake.

I've ridden from Bay Area California to Oregon three times, but always on the coast. Way easier -- coming north through the Siskiyous would mean two solid days of climbing, a nasty climb over Ashland Pass, a brief respite in Ashland/Medford and then back into the mountains for a day or more before hitting the Willamette Valley. It's brutal in a car. Interestingly, in Oregon, you can ride on I-5 except in designated areas in cities.

-- Jay Beattie.



Frank Krygowski[_4_] February 6th 20 05:10 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2/5/2020 11:20 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now. The
San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.



I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like a
suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/

Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

That is a scary bridge, but that's the wrong bridge. Carquinez Bridge is across the Carquinez Straights in the north Bay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carquinez_Bridge The photo is the I-5 Pitt River Bridge over Lake Shasta. https://tinyurl.com/yx5tsb4w It's posted for bicycles, and I've seen cycle tourists on it once. I've been over it maybe 20 times or more commuting from Oregon to California. I thought the cyclists were nuts, but I think its the only option for getting over the lake.


I've ridden over similar bridges. Yes, they are scary - but when a
cyclist is unfamiliar with a route and find themselves confronted with
such a bridge, there can be no practical alternative.

FWIW, pedestrians encounter a similar situation much more frequently.
Locally, I had to lobby for months to get pedestrian space added to a
freeway overpass bridge when the bridge was getting a major overhaul.
That's despite the fact that the bridge is the only route over a freeway
from a residential area to a major shopping area.

If highway designers had been conscious of anything but cars, it would
have cost little (percentagewise) to add bike and even pedestrian
accommodation to the bridge in the photo. But when the interstate system
was being designed, bikes were only for kids.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Joerg[_2_] February 6th 20 09:11 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2020-02-05 20:20, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now.
The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.



I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like
a suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/



Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

That is a scary bridge, but that's the wrong bridge. Carquinez
Bridge is across the Carquinez Straights in the north Bay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carquinez_Bridge



That is the Carquinez bridge I meant. AFAIK you'd have to be on the
freeway and, worse, in a lane to cycle that. Death waiting to happen.

Even in a car I don't like anything south of the Carquinez Bridge. It's
a rat race down there, everybody seems to be in a hurry all the time.
Whenever I cross that bridge on the way home and reach it northern end I
take a deep breath. Due to conference services such as Zoom I didn't
have to go in a whole year and I am really thankful for that.


... The photo is the I-5
Pitt River Bridge over Lake Shasta. https://tinyurl.com/yx5tsb4w
It's posted for bicycles, and I've seen cycle tourists on it once.
I've been over it maybe 20 times or more commuting from Oregon to
California. I thought the cyclists were nuts, but I think its the
only option for getting over the lake.


I'd rather buy an inflatable kayak and cross the lake with the bike
strapped up front. Or cycle around.


I've ridden from Bay Area California to Oregon three times, but
always on the coast. Way easier -- coming north through the
Siskiyous would mean two solid days of climbing, a nasty climb over
Ashland Pass, a brief respite in Ashland/Medford and then back into
the mountains for a day or more before hitting the Willamette Valley.
It's brutal in a car. Interestingly, in Oregon, you can ride on I-5
except in designated areas in cities.


I try hard to avoid roads. It's not that I don't use roads but I do not
enjoy cycling there. Too many close passes at high speed.

This has an impact on which businesses I and my friends patronize. If
only reachable via many miles of nasty roads we don't go there. Same if
they don't let us take the bikes inside or park and lock them in a place
where we can see them.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Mark J. February 6th 20 09:33 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2/6/2020 1:11 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-05 20:20, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now.
The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.


I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like
a suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/



Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

That is a scary bridge, but that's the wrong bridge.* Carquinez
Bridge is across the Carquinez Straights in the north Bay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carquinez_Bridge



That is the Carquinez bridge I meant. AFAIK you'd have to be on the
freeway and, worse, in a lane to cycle that. Death waiting to happen.


Google is your friend, or at least in this case, Joerg.
[Carquinez Bridge bike] gets you this right away:

https://baytrail.org/get-on-the-trail/bridges/

"Carquinez Bridge

There is a two-way twelve foot bicycle and pedestrian path on the west
side of the western (westbound) span. The distance is .6 miles."

https://baytrail.org/wp-content/uplo...576-300dpi.jpg

If you don't know, now you know.

Mark J.

Joerg[_2_] February 6th 20 09:53 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2020-02-06 13:33, Mark J. wrote:
On 2/6/2020 1:11 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-05 20:20, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now.
The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.


I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like
a suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/



Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

That is a scary bridge, but that's the wrong bridge. Carquinez
Bridge is across the Carquinez Straights in the north Bay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carquinez_Bridge



That is the Carquinez bridge I meant. AFAIK you'd have to be on the
freeway and, worse, in a lane to cycle that. Death waiting to happen.


Google is your friend, or at least in this case, Joerg.
[Carquinez Bridge bike] gets you this right away:

https://baytrail.org/get-on-the-trail/bridges/

"Carquinez Bridge

There is a two-way twelve foot bicycle and pedestrian path on the west
side of the western (westbound) span. The distance is .6 miles."

https://baytrail.org/wp-content/uplo...576-300dpi.jpg


If you don't know, now you know.


Indeed, the new part seems to have a side path:

https://goo.gl/maps/kwvCJzbRsAcpDqQJ7

I never saw that, maybe because there was never anybody on it. Who
knows, some day it may be possible to safely cycle from Sacramento to
the Bay Area.

So, Tom, you could cross that one off your list without pretected bike
lanes :-)

The old one didn't have that AFAIR.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Tom Kunich[_2_] February 6th 20 09:58 PM

Bridge lane
 
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now. The
San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.



I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like a
suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/

Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


It is a protected bike path on the bridge with concrete barriers to separate them from the cars. Sort of like on the Oakland span of the bay bridge.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...e-controversy/

Joerg[_2_] February 6th 20 10:17 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2020-02-06 13:58, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now.
The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.



I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like
a suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/



Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


It is a protected bike path on the bridge with concrete barriers to
separate them from the cars. Sort of like on the Oakland span of the
bay bridge.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...e-controversy/


It's weird. I crossed that new span more than a dozen times over the
years and never noticed any pedestrians or cyclists. The barrier isn't
too high for that, just like on the bike path to Davis along I-80. That
one is very long so usually you see a rider or two when driving towards
the Bay Area.

https://goo.gl/maps/PFFSh6Jv1NfxUtxQ7

The problem with those paths is often the connecting infrastructure.
West Sacramento is not very bike-friendly but we have to cross it to get
to Davis.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Tom Kunich[_2_] February 7th 20 01:23 AM

Bridge lane
 
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:17:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 13:58, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now.
The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.


I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like
a suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/



Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


It is a protected bike path on the bridge with concrete barriers to
separate them from the cars. Sort of like on the Oakland span of the
bay bridge.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...e-controversy/


It's weird. I crossed that new span more than a dozen times over the
years and never noticed any pedestrians or cyclists. The barrier isn't
too high for that, just like on the bike path to Davis along I-80. That
one is very long so usually you see a rider or two when driving towards
the Bay Area.

https://goo.gl/maps/PFFSh6Jv1NfxUtxQ7

The problem with those paths is often the connecting infrastructure.
West Sacramento is not very bike-friendly but we have to cross it to get
to Davis.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


I don't remember any bike paths to Davis only sideroads.

Joerg[_2_] February 7th 20 06:22 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2020-02-06 17:23, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:17:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 13:58, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now.
The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.


I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like
a suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/



Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

It is a protected bike path on the bridge with concrete barriers to
separate them from the cars. Sort of like on the Oakland span of the
bay bridge.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...e-controversy/


It's weird. I crossed that new span more than a dozen times over the
years and never noticed any pedestrians or cyclists. The barrier isn't
too high for that, just like on the bike path to Davis along I-80. That
one is very long so usually you see a rider or two when driving towards
the Bay Area.

https://goo.gl/maps/PFFSh6Jv1NfxUtxQ7

The problem with those paths is often the connecting infrastructure.
West Sacramento is not very bike-friendly but we have to cross it to get
to Davis.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


I don't remember any bike paths to Davis only sideroads.


It's a long and boring path directly next to I-80. Starts at 8:50min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QoGIowtyNE

There's be no other year-round path or road because that whole area
below is a flood basin and underwater during snow-melt season.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Tom Kunich[_2_] February 7th 20 09:44 PM

Bridge lane
 
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 17:23, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:17:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 13:58, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike lanes now.
The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits bridge.


I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That sounds like
a suicide mission to me, like this section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/



Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

It is a protected bike path on the bridge with concrete barriers to
separate them from the cars. Sort of like on the Oakland span of the
bay bridge.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...e-controversy/


It's weird. I crossed that new span more than a dozen times over the
years and never noticed any pedestrians or cyclists. The barrier isn't
too high for that, just like on the bike path to Davis along I-80. That
one is very long so usually you see a rider or two when driving towards
the Bay Area.

https://goo.gl/maps/PFFSh6Jv1NfxUtxQ7

The problem with those paths is often the connecting infrastructure.
West Sacramento is not very bike-friendly but we have to cross it to get
to Davis.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


I don't remember any bike paths to Davis only sideroads.


It's a long and boring path directly next to I-80. Starts at 8:50min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QoGIowtyNE

There's be no other year-round path or road because that whole area
below is a flood basin and underwater during snow-melt season.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


There is a road that goes right next to the Davis campus that is hardly used and goes directly into West Sacramento and there is a bridge to cross there into Sacramento proper. Can't imagine why you'd need a path.

Joerg[_2_] February 7th 20 10:15 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2020-02-07 13:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 17:23, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:17:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 13:58, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg
wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike
lanes now. The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits
bridge.


I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That
sounds like a suicide mission to me, like this section on
I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/





Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

It is a protected bike path on the bridge with concrete
barriers to separate them from the cars. Sort of like on the
Oakland span of the bay bridge.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...e-controversy/




It's weird. I crossed that new span more than a dozen times over the
years and never noticed any pedestrians or cyclists. The
barrier isn't too high for that, just like on the bike path to
Davis along I-80. That one is very long so usually you see a
rider or two when driving towards the Bay Area.

https://goo.gl/maps/PFFSh6Jv1NfxUtxQ7

The problem with those paths is often the connecting
infrastructure. West Sacramento is not very bike-friendly but
we have to cross it to get to Davis.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I don't remember any bike paths to Davis only sideroads.


It's a long and boring path directly next to I-80. Starts at
8:50min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QoGIowtyNE

There's be no other year-round path or road because that whole
area below is a flood basin and underwater during snow-melt
season.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


There is a road that goes right next to the Davis campus that is
hardly used and goes directly into West Sacramento and there is a
bridge to cross there into Sacramento proper. Can't imagine why you'd
need a path.


Where? Can you point it out on the linked map?

https://goo.gl/maps/MQUCiwssq1di7FXc8

The whole center section all the way from north to south is the Yolo
bypass which floods. I wonder how you'd get through that in spring on a
road bike:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolo_B...306199144).jpg

The bike path parallel to I-80 starts where that big sign is in the
picture. It would require an amphibious bicycle.

https://gajitz.com/wp-content/upload...bious-bike.jpg

Of course, Iohan would have absolutely no qualms about that, transfer to
water starts at 4:10min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ0KNj5WUvk

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Tom Kunich[_2_] February 8th 20 11:59 PM

Bridge lane
 
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 2:15:18 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-07 13:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 17:23, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:17:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 13:58, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg
wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected bike
lanes now. The San Mateo Bridge and the Carquinez Straits
bridge.


I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge. That
sounds like a suicide mission to me, like this section on
I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/





Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

It is a protected bike path on the bridge with concrete
barriers to separate them from the cars. Sort of like on the
Oakland span of the bay bridge.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...e-controversy/




It's weird. I crossed that new span more than a dozen times over the
years and never noticed any pedestrians or cyclists. The
barrier isn't too high for that, just like on the bike path to
Davis along I-80. That one is very long so usually you see a
rider or two when driving towards the Bay Area.

https://goo.gl/maps/PFFSh6Jv1NfxUtxQ7

The problem with those paths is often the connecting
infrastructure. West Sacramento is not very bike-friendly but
we have to cross it to get to Davis.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I don't remember any bike paths to Davis only sideroads.


It's a long and boring path directly next to I-80. Starts at
8:50min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QoGIowtyNE

There's be no other year-round path or road because that whole
area below is a flood basin and underwater during snow-melt
season.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


There is a road that goes right next to the Davis campus that is
hardly used and goes directly into West Sacramento and there is a
bridge to cross there into Sacramento proper. Can't imagine why you'd
need a path.


Where? Can you point it out on the linked map?

https://goo.gl/maps/MQUCiwssq1di7FXc8

The whole center section all the way from north to south is the Yolo
bypass which floods. I wonder how you'd get through that in spring on a
road bike:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolo_B...306199144).jpg

The bike path parallel to I-80 starts where that big sign is in the
picture. It would require an amphibious bicycle.

https://gajitz.com/wp-content/upload...bious-bike.jpg

Of course, Iohan would have absolutely no qualms about that, transfer to
water starts at 4:10min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ0KNj5WUvk

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Well, it is the first street bridge then Sacramento Ave. On the maps it looks awfully tortuous but I drove it just a couple of springs ago when I went up there to pick up some bicycle parts and wanted to see the route.

My memory is pretty screwed up but I'm sure that I used to lead a ride that went from San Leandro out across the country roads to Rio Vista and then we had to cross quite a ways over and would take and east=west route and come into Davis from the north. And then we would ride into Sacramento for a hotel for the night and return the next day. Perhaps there was a lot of lefts and rights to West Sacramento but I don't remember that. Though it seems to me that driving it a couple of years ago it was reasonably direct.

I wonder if we rode up to Woodland and then east?

Joerg[_2_] February 9th 20 09:46 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2020-02-08 15:59, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 2:15:18 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-07 13:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 17:23, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:17:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg
wrote:
On 2020-02-06 13:58, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8,
Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected
bike lanes now. The San Mateo Bridge and the
Carquinez Straits bridge.


I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge.
That sounds like a suicide mission to me, like this
section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/







Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

It is a protected bike path on the bridge with concrete
barriers to separate them from the cars. Sort of like on
the Oakland span of the bay bridge.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...e-controversy/






It's weird. I crossed that new span more than a dozen times over the
years and never noticed any pedestrians or cyclists. The
barrier isn't too high for that, just like on the bike path
to Davis along I-80. That one is very long so usually you
see a rider or two when driving towards the Bay Area.

https://goo.gl/maps/PFFSh6Jv1NfxUtxQ7

The problem with those paths is often the connecting
infrastructure. West Sacramento is not very bike-friendly
but we have to cross it to get to Davis.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I don't remember any bike paths to Davis only sideroads.


It's a long and boring path directly next to I-80. Starts at
8:50min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QoGIowtyNE

There's be no other year-round path or road because that whole
area below is a flood basin and underwater during snow-melt
season.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

There is a road that goes right next to the Davis campus that is
hardly used and goes directly into West Sacramento and there is
a bridge to cross there into Sacramento proper. Can't imagine why
you'd need a path.


Where? Can you point it out on the linked map?

https://goo.gl/maps/MQUCiwssq1di7FXc8

The whole center section all the way from north to south is the
Yolo bypass which floods. I wonder how you'd get through that in
spring on a road bike:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolo_B...306199144).jpg



The bike path parallel to I-80 starts where that big sign is in the
picture. It would require an amphibious bicycle.

https://gajitz.com/wp-content/upload...bious-bike.jpg

Of course, Iohan would have absolutely no qualms about that,
transfer to water starts at 4:10min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ0KNj5WUvk

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Well, it is the first street bridge then Sacramento Ave. On the maps
it looks awfully tortuous but I drove it just a couple of springs ago
when I went up there to pick up some bicycle parts and wanted to see
the route.


You can't get to Davis that way. Sacramento Avenue ends just west of the
Sacramento River, near the CHP Academy. It actually becomes Reed Avenue
for a couple of blocks, then ends. West of there is the Yolo Bypass
which is often completely flooded. It also doesn't have roads that are
palatable on a road bike.


My memory is pretty screwed up but I'm sure that I used to lead a
ride that went from San Leandro out across the country roads to Rio
Vista and then we had to cross quite a ways over and would take and
east=west route and come into Davis from the north. And then we would
ride into Sacramento for a hotel for the night and return the next
day. Perhaps there was a lot of lefts and rights to West Sacramento
but I don't remember that. Though it seems to me that driving it a
couple of years ago it was reasonably direct.

I wonder if we rode up to Woodland and then east?


Possibly. Then you might remember the train tracks parallel to E.Main
Street in Woodland which is just about the only way by bicycle because
you aren't allowed to ride on I-5 in that area. Afterwards you can
follow Old River Road to the I-Street Bridge but that sure is a looong
detour. Quite scenic though.

We always take the Tower Bridge when riding to West Sacramento. Drake's
Barn is a really nice place with lots of outdoor seating. If you come
from the west you can take either bridge and they both lead you right
into old town. There is a bike path on the eastern side of the
Sacramento River.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Tom Kunich[_2_] February 10th 20 05:58 PM

Bridge lane
 
On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 1:46:31 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-08 15:59, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 2:15:18 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-07 13:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-06 17:23, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:17:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg
wrote:
On 2020-02-06 13:58, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8,
Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-03 14:19, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


There are only two bridges left without protected
bike lanes now. The San Mateo Bridge and the
Carquinez Straits bridge.


I've never seen a cyclist on the Carquinez Bridge.
That sounds like a suicide mission to me, like this
section on I-5:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/2...ream/lightbox/







Have you tried cycling the Carquinez Bridge?

[...]

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

It is a protected bike path on the bridge with concrete
barriers to separate them from the cars. Sort of like on
the Oakland span of the bay bridge.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...e-controversy/






It's weird. I crossed that new span more than a dozen times over the
years and never noticed any pedestrians or cyclists. The
barrier isn't too high for that, just like on the bike path
to Davis along I-80. That one is very long so usually you
see a rider or two when driving towards the Bay Area.

https://goo.gl/maps/PFFSh6Jv1NfxUtxQ7

The problem with those paths is often the connecting
infrastructure. West Sacramento is not very bike-friendly
but we have to cross it to get to Davis.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I don't remember any bike paths to Davis only sideroads.


It's a long and boring path directly next to I-80. Starts at
8:50min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QoGIowtyNE

There's be no other year-round path or road because that whole
area below is a flood basin and underwater during snow-melt
season.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

There is a road that goes right next to the Davis campus that is
hardly used and goes directly into West Sacramento and there is
a bridge to cross there into Sacramento proper. Can't imagine why
you'd need a path.


Where? Can you point it out on the linked map?

https://goo.gl/maps/MQUCiwssq1di7FXc8

The whole center section all the way from north to south is the
Yolo bypass which floods. I wonder how you'd get through that in
spring on a road bike:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolo_B...306199144).jpg



The bike path parallel to I-80 starts where that big sign is in the
picture. It would require an amphibious bicycle.

https://gajitz.com/wp-content/upload...bious-bike.jpg

Of course, Iohan would have absolutely no qualms about that,
transfer to water starts at 4:10min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ0KNj5WUvk

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Well, it is the first street bridge then Sacramento Ave. On the maps
it looks awfully tortuous but I drove it just a couple of springs ago
when I went up there to pick up some bicycle parts and wanted to see
the route.


You can't get to Davis that way. Sacramento Avenue ends just west of the
Sacramento River, near the CHP Academy. It actually becomes Reed Avenue
for a couple of blocks, then ends. West of there is the Yolo Bypass
which is often completely flooded. It also doesn't have roads that are
palatable on a road bike.


My memory is pretty screwed up but I'm sure that I used to lead a
ride that went from San Leandro out across the country roads to Rio
Vista and then we had to cross quite a ways over and would take and
east=west route and come into Davis from the north. And then we would
ride into Sacramento for a hotel for the night and return the next
day. Perhaps there was a lot of lefts and rights to West Sacramento
but I don't remember that. Though it seems to me that driving it a
couple of years ago it was reasonably direct.

I wonder if we rode up to Woodland and then east?


Possibly. Then you might remember the train tracks parallel to E.Main
Street in Woodland which is just about the only way by bicycle because
you aren't allowed to ride on I-5 in that area. Afterwards you can
follow Old River Road to the I-Street Bridge but that sure is a looong
detour. Quite scenic though.

We always take the Tower Bridge when riding to West Sacramento. Drake's
Barn is a really nice place with lots of outdoor seating. If you come
from the west you can take either bridge and they both lead you right
into old town. There is a bike path on the eastern side of the
Sacramento River.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Yes, I looked at a map and it had to be the Tower Bridge I took. And I must have driven to Woodland and then down south into Davis.

You say that there's a bike path that is more direct? I assume that it goes right along the freeway with all of its accompanying noise?

Joerg[_2_] February 10th 20 06:42 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2020-02-10 09:58, Tom Kunich wrote:


[Bike connection Sacramento - Davis]


Yes, I looked at a map and it had to be the Tower Bridge I took. And
I must have driven to Woodland and then down south into Davis.

You say that there's a bike path that is more direct? I assume that
it goes right along the freeway with all of its accompanying noise?


Yes, directly next to I-80, boring and noisy.

https://www.davisenterprise.com/file...W-765x1024.jpg

To get to this bike path from Sacramento you still have to cycle through
West Sacramento (west of the river) and that's not always pleasant when
there is heavy traffic.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Tom Kunich[_2_] February 10th 20 09:43 PM

Bridge lane
 
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 10:42:26 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-10 09:58, Tom Kunich wrote:


[Bike connection Sacramento - Davis]


Yes, I looked at a map and it had to be the Tower Bridge I took. And
I must have driven to Woodland and then down south into Davis.

You say that there's a bike path that is more direct? I assume that
it goes right along the freeway with all of its accompanying noise?


Yes, directly next to I-80, boring and noisy.

https://www.davisenterprise.com/file...W-765x1024.jpg

To get to this bike path from Sacramento you still have to cycle through
West Sacramento (west of the river) and that's not always pleasant when
there is heavy traffic.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Well, the Woodside route you are on a levy road and there's not a lot of traffic and it is mostly farmers so they are as polite as a famer can be. Crossing the Tower Bridge I really can't remember much of - whether there was a pedestrian path or whether we would ride on the road surface. The bridges to Alameda here are steel grating and most cyclists won't ride on them. But once you get use to that it isn't bad traction.

Joerg[_2_] February 10th 20 09:53 PM

Bridge lane
 
On 2020-02-10 13:43, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 10:42:26 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-10 09:58, Tom Kunich wrote:


[Bike connection Sacramento - Davis]


Yes, I looked at a map and it had to be the Tower Bridge I took.
And I must have driven to Woodland and then down south into
Davis.

You say that there's a bike path that is more direct? I assume
that it goes right along the freeway with all of its accompanying
noise?


Yes, directly next to I-80, boring and noisy.

https://www.davisenterprise.com/file...W-765x1024.jpg



To get to this bike path from Sacramento you still have to cycle through
West Sacramento (west of the river) and that's not always pleasant
when there is heavy traffic.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Well, the Woodside route you are on a levy road and there's not a lot
of traffic and it is mostly farmers so they are as polite as a famer
can be.



Those are easy and pleasant to ride.


... Crossing the Tower Bridge I really can't remember much of -
whether there was a pedestrian path or whether we would ride on the
road surface.



It has a small shoulder. Road bike riders use that and others use the
side walk:

https://goo.gl/maps/6v2f5hh1ooZCpLzL8


... The bridges to Alameda here are steel grating and most
cyclists won't ride on them. But once you get use to that it isn't
bad traction.


As long as there is no tire blow-out. I just lost another tire, a chunk
of the running surface from a Gatorskin went AWOL. Luckily since I run
thick thorn-resistant tubes plus tire liners on all bikes this one
didn't cause a blow-out or crash.

So I stocked up on Vittoria Zaffiro where I (so far) never had that
happen. Got three more in the basement now.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Tom Kunich[_2_] February 12th 20 07:48 PM

Bridge lane
 
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 1:53:47 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-10 13:43, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 10:42:26 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-10 09:58, Tom Kunich wrote:


[Bike connection Sacramento - Davis]


Yes, I looked at a map and it had to be the Tower Bridge I took.
And I must have driven to Woodland and then down south into
Davis.

You say that there's a bike path that is more direct? I assume
that it goes right along the freeway with all of its accompanying
noise?


Yes, directly next to I-80, boring and noisy.

https://www.davisenterprise.com/file...W-765x1024.jpg



To get to this bike path from Sacramento you still have to cycle through
West Sacramento (west of the river) and that's not always pleasant
when there is heavy traffic.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Well, the Woodside route you are on a levy road and there's not a lot
of traffic and it is mostly farmers so they are as polite as a famer
can be.



Those are easy and pleasant to ride.


... Crossing the Tower Bridge I really can't remember much of -
whether there was a pedestrian path or whether we would ride on the
road surface.



It has a small shoulder. Road bike riders use that and others use the
side walk:

https://goo.gl/maps/6v2f5hh1ooZCpLzL8


... The bridges to Alameda here are steel grating and most
cyclists won't ride on them. But once you get use to that it isn't
bad traction.


As long as there is no tire blow-out. I just lost another tire, a chunk
of the running surface from a Gatorskin went AWOL. Luckily since I run
thick thorn-resistant tubes plus tire liners on all bikes this one
didn't cause a blow-out or crash.

So I stocked up on Vittoria Zaffiro where I (so far) never had that
happen. Got three more in the basement now.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


I have been riding Continental GP5000TLR tubeless tires. But they are not nice tires. They puncture a lot easier than they should and if the hole is large enough not to seal with the sealant, they develop a hop after you've "fixed" it with what they can "bacon". The traction is good to the point that the tire wanders around on the road surface from changes in tilt and such..

I have also used the Vittoria Corsa G+ tires and they work VERY well. They do not wear rapidly as I've seen published elsewhere and they have very good directional stability and don't make you nervous like the Continental. I just put a pair of Gatorskins on my Redline Di2 build only because I wanted to get rid of the new set that has been on the shelf for two years.


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