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Remember to help out your fellow cyclists that use CO2 cartridges.
I was on the north end of the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday, waiting for
the rest of the people in my group. There's a guy with a wheel walking around looking at various bikes waiting there, most of which were the rental bikes from the places along the wharf. Finally he approaches me and asks if I have a pump. He probably wasn't too hopeful since I wasn't wearing a bike jersey (actually I was wearing my Phil Wood t-shirt from Interbike) or tights, and I was riding my folding Montague hybrid. Of course I did have a pump, but it was in the trunk bag, not on the frame. After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater. |
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On Nov 30, 9:09*am, SMS wrote:
After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater. The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a little hand pump. The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube. Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that escapes me. |
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On Nov 30, 9:09*am, SMS wrote:
I was on the north end of the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday, waiting for the rest of the people in my group. There's a guy with a wheel walking around looking at various bikes waiting there, most of which were the rental bikes from the places along the wharf. Finally he approaches me and asks if I have a pump. He probably wasn't too hopeful since I wasn't wearing a bike jersey (actually I was wearing my Phil Wood t-shirt from Interbike) or tights, and I was riding my folding Montague hybrid. Of course I did have a pump, but it was in the trunk bag, not on the frame. After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater. Maybe some people like the smallness and easy-stow-away factor of the CO2 inflator. But, yeah, it does seem silly to drop money on something that's totally free (i.e. air) and - unless you're an underwater or space cyclist - available at any time. |
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:: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something
:: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes :: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two :: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the :: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via :: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus :: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 :: inflater. SMS : : The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a : little hand pump. : The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube. : : Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that : escapes me. Jorg You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" I carry CO2, but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared!" Pat in TX |
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Jorg Lueke wrote:
On Nov 30, 9:09 am, SMS wrote: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater. The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a little hand pump. The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube. Wow, I've never been frustrated using a hand pump. Granted I'm not using the really tiny pumps, just the small pumps. |
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* *All my frame pumps are small enough to count as neglible in weight and bulk. *They have the advantage of Not Running Out. *Ever have four flats in succession out in the middle of nowhere? *I have. *CO2 would have left me walking. * *I think what CO2 users don't like about pumps is -- pumping. * Sort of like the people who join gyms and then park as close as possible to the entrance so that they don't get all worn out walking in. I too use air pumps for all my tire inflation. But when I have a flat in one of my 26x3.0 tires while I'm away from home, I have to admit that I dread the seemingly infinite number of strokes required to restore pressure to the repaired tube. I take care to bring along my Topeak Mountain Morph pump (which has a hose) when I ride my MTB or my 29er, just so I don't overwork a valve stem and break it off. The other day, I topped up all 32 wheelbarrow tires on the 80-foot pedal-powered rattlesnake parked at my house. I counted approximately 1000 full length strokes from my Zefal Husky floor pump, and I got some blistery spots on the palms of my hands that itched for days afterwards. So while generally speaking I figure human-powered tire inflation is a good companion to human-powered transportation, I can appreciate why some folks might want to avoid pumping when it's easy to do so. Chalo |
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On Nov 30, 10:09*am, SMS wrote:
I guess I never understood the logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater. Pumping with a mini/micro/frame pump: Slow, difficult, robust CO2: Fast, easy, unforgiving of human error On my so-called road bike, I carry CO2 with a micro pump as a backup. Nice to be able to 'press and go', but also know that multiple flats or a cartridge misfire won't strand me. On the touring/utility bike, the weight of a Topeak Road Morph is insignificant in comparison to the generator hub, fenders, rear rack, etc. I'll admit to not being as concerned with the 'coolness' factor when riding this bike vs. riding the road bike on a club ride. -Greg |
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SMS wrote:
I was on the north end of the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday, waiting for the rest of the people in my group. There's a guy with a wheel walking around looking at various bikes waiting there, most of which were the rental bikes from the places along the wharf. Finally he approaches me and asks if I have a pump. He probably wasn't too hopeful since I wasn't wearing a bike jersey (actually I was wearing my Phil Wood t-shirt from Interbike) or tights, and I was riding my folding Montague hybrid. Of course I did have a pump, but it was in the trunk bag, not on the frame. After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater. I was in the same situation where I ran out of CO2 before I ran out of flats. In my case, I walked home as I was only a few kms from there. I hoped, in the future, never to have as many flats as I did. Why didn't I buy a small pump instead? Simple - I didn't know they existed. |
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On Nov 30, 1:15*pm, "PatTX" wrote:
You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" *I carry CO2, but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: *"Be Prepared!" The only flat I had on this summer's tour was somewhere west of Val d'Or, Quebec, in the rain. I changed out the tube quickly enough, only to find the "new" tube had, apparently, been pinch flatted and returned to the store. I was ****ed about the tube but happy I had my Road Morph pump and not a CO2 inflator. (And that I had yet another new tube.) |
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Jorg Lueke wrote:
On Nov 30, 9:09*am, SMS wrote: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater. The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a little hand pump. The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube. That's why you get the Topeak Road Morph and not one of the cheap ****e pumps. Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that escapes me. As long as their not measuring they're input and output the same way, it doesn't seem very useful. -- Dane Buson - When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. |
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Chalo wrote:
The other day, I topped up all 32 wheelbarrow tires on the 80-foot pedal-powered rattlesnake parked at my house. ^^^^^^^^^ This is a sentence I never expected to see in my lifetime. I counted approximately 1000 full length strokes from my Zefal Husky floor pump, and I got some blistery spots on the palms of my hands that itched for days afterwards. So while generally speaking I figure human-powered tire inflation is a good companion to human-powered transportation, I can appreciate why some folks might want to avoid pumping when it's easy to do so. When pumping the tires on the car, I have considered the merits of getting an electric pump I'll admit. -- Dane Buson - Most rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read. -- Frank Zappa |
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Chalo wrote:
The other day, I topped up all 32 wheelbarrow tires on the 80-foot pedal-powered rattlesnake parked at my house. I counted approximately 1000 full length strokes from my Zefal Husky floor pump, and I got some blistery spots on the palms of my hands that itched for days afterwards. No one would think any worse of you if you had used a compressor. |
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PatTX wrote:
You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" I carry CO2, but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared!" The guy did say to me 'I may have to rethink my strategy,' so there is hope. I guess since I'm not into super-light, I never considered carrying a pump a problem, even when I used the big old Zefal frame pumps. I get flats so rarely (knock on wood) with the use of kevlar belted tires, and/or anti-flat strips that I don't need to save 60 seconds inflating a tire with a pump versus CO2. I remember riding in Russia on a tandem tour. I told everyone to get decent tires for crappy roads, not racing tires, but of course some people showed up with 700x19 tires. They were endlessly fixing flats. I got one flat in 800 km on my 700x35 kevlar belted tires (somehow a thorn came in from the side, bypassing the Mr. Tuffy). We were slower, due to a heavier Trek tandem with heavier tires, but we more than made up for it with fewer stops for repairs. |
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:: I hoped, in the future, never to have as many flats as I did. Why :: didn't I buy a small pump instead? Simple - I didn't know they :: existed. Topeak Road Morph. |
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On Dec 1, 3:17*pm, SMS wrote:
The guy did say to me 'I may have to rethink my strategy,' so there is hope. I guess since I'm not into super-light, I never considered carrying a pump a problem, even when I used the big old Zefal frame pumps. I get flats so rarely (knock on wood) with the use of kevlar belted tires, and/or anti-flat strips that I don't need to save 60 seconds inflating a tire with a pump versus CO2. I have to agree with Mr. Scharf on this one. I have never considered carrying a pump to be a problem. In fact, the way I'd give the most help someone who is carrying CO2 cartridges is to tell them "Carry a pump." - Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
I have to agree with Mr. Scharf on this one.[...] STOP THE PRESSES!!! ;) -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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Any of those pumps with hoses will do the trick, the hose being the
killer featu enabling you to stick one end of the pump against the earth and use the whole weight of the planet as a counter rather than trying to squeeze your two hands together. Topeak is the only manufacturer that I've seen offering pumps like this, and they have several models so equipped. One thing is certain; once you've had that hose nothing else will satisfy you. |
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On Nov 30, 12:15*pm, "PatTX" wrote:
:: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something :: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes :: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two :: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the :: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via :: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus :: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 :: inflater. SMS : : The logic is pretty simple. *The CO2 will work a lot faster than a : little hand pump. : The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube. : : Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that : escapes me. Jorg You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" *I carry CO2, but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: *"Be Prepared!" Pat in TX I've never had more than one flat at a time. I can see it if you run into some nasty debris. That's when you call your wife ;) I don't see any issue in carrying both. |
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On Nov 30, 12:54*pm, SMS wrote:
Jorg Lueke wrote: On Nov 30, 9:09 am, SMS wrote: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater. The logic is pretty simple. *The CO2 will work a lot faster than a little hand pump. The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube. Wow, I've never been frustrated using a hand pump. Granted I'm not using the really tiny pumps, just the small pumps. I have, that's why I mentioned it. It was probably just a crappy pump or just too small. |
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On Dec 2, 9:13*pm, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk
wrote: Jorg Lueke considered Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:08:45 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write: On Nov 30, 12:15*pm, "PatTX" wrote: :: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something :: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes :: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two :: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the :: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via :: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus :: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 :: inflater. SMS : : The logic is pretty simple. *The CO2 will work a lot faster than a : little hand pump. : The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube. : : Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that : escapes me. Jorg You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" *I carry CO2, but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: *"Be Prepared!" Pat in TX I've never had more than one flat at a time. *I can see it if you run into some nasty debris. *That's when you call your wife ;) *I don't see any issue in carrying both. What, CO2 and a wife? Man, and I thought using CO2 was expensive! |
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Brian Huntley wrote:
On Dec 2, 9:13 pm, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote: Jorg Lueke considered Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:08:45 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write: On Nov 30, 12:15 pm, "PatTX" wrote: :: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something :: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes :: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two :: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the :: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via :: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus :: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 :: inflater. SMS : : The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a : little hand pump. : The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube. : : Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that : escapes me. Jorg You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" I carry CO2, but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared!" Pat in TX I've never had more than one flat at a time. I can see it if you run into some nasty debris. That's when you call your wife ;) I don't see any issue in carrying both. What, CO2 and a wife? Man, and I thought using CO2 was expensive! Yeah, tandems ain't cheap. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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On Dec 2, 8:13*pm, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk
wrote: Jorg Lueke considered Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:08:45 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write: On Nov 30, 12:15*pm, "PatTX" wrote: :: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something :: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes :: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two :: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the :: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via :: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus :: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 :: inflater. SMS : : The logic is pretty simple. *The CO2 will work a lot faster than a : little hand pump. : The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube. : : Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that : escapes me. Jorg You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" *I carry CO2, but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: *"Be Prepared!" Pat in TX I've never had more than one flat at a time. *I can see it if you run into some nasty debris. *That's when you call your wife ;) *I don't see any issue in carrying both. What, CO2 and a wife?- Hide quoted text - Well yeah, who makes your snacks on a long ride? |
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