Routemasters (again)
 

JNugent put finger to keyboard:

On 12/08/2013 12:45, Scion wrote:
JNugent put finger to keyboard:

On 05/08/2013 22:27, Phil W Lee wrote:

snip

And it gives no difference between the act of going straight on,
turning left, and turning right.
All a green light gives is a suspension of the prohibition on passing
the stop line. Nothing more.

Rubbish. There are all sorts of traffic light junctions, some of which
allow turning traffic priority over oncoming traffic.

You were just wrong (very wrong), that's all.

On this point Phil is right.

He is wrong if the "thinks" that the green light instructs you to give
way to anyone who has a red light (and that's actually at the murky
bottom of what he's trying to claim).

Can't see where he said that TBH.


The traffic light *only* tells you that you may proceed past the line.

That's all it *needs* to tell you, because when it was red it was only
telling you that you may *not* proceed past the same line (complicated
junctions with idiosyncrasies of layout, etc, excepted of course).

Once you're past the line on a green light, the normal rules of the
road, which apply everywhere, all the time, apply again.

Of course - that's what I said. So why you said that Phil's statement that
"All a green light gives is a suspension of the prohibition on passing the
stop line" was "rubbish" is a mystery.

Even if you've got, say, a green right-turn filter arrow, you don't
have priority over oncoming traffic, which *may*
have crossed their line on green - think slow cyclists, invalid
scooters and so on.

Aren't you clever?

It's a burden I've learned to live with.

Which bit of "the normal rules of the road apply" is too difficult?

For me? None of it.

Routemasters (again)
 

On 12/08/2013 16:59, Scion wrote:
JNugent put finger to keyboard:

On 12/08/2013 12:45, Scion wrote:
JNugent put finger to keyboard:

On 05/08/2013 22:27, Phil W Lee wrote:

snip

And it gives no difference between the act of going straight on,
turning left, and turning right.
All a green light gives is a suspension of the prohibition on passing
the stop line. Nothing more.

Rubbish. There are all sorts of traffic light junctions, some of which
allow turning traffic priority over oncoming traffic.

You were just wrong (very wrong), that's all.

On this point Phil is right.

He is wrong if the "thinks" that the green light instructs you to give
way to anyone who has a red light (and that's actually at the murky
bottom of what he's trying to claim).

Can't see where he said that TBH.

He did say it nevertheless, and so did one or two other people who
(ill-advisedly) sought to support him.

The traffic light *only* tells you that you may proceed past the line.

That's all it *needs* to tell you, because when it was red it was only
telling you that you may *not* proceed past the same line (complicated
junctions with idiosyncrasies of layout, etc, excepted of course).
Once you're past the line on a green light, the normal rules of the
road, which apply everywhere, all the time, apply again.

Of course - that's what I said. So why you said that Phil's statement that
"All a green light gives is a suspension of the prohibition on passing the
stop line" was "rubbish" is a mystery.

That's because that's not what his statement was.

Even if you've got, say, a green right-turn filter arrow, you don't
have priority over oncoming traffic, which *may*
have crossed their line on green - think slow cyclists, invalid
scooters and so on.

Aren't you clever?

It's a burden I've learned to live with.

Which bit of "the normal rules of the road apply" is too difficult?

For me? None of it.

Apologies for the last bit. It was OTT.

Routemasters (again)
 

JNugent put finger to keyboard:

On 12/08/2013 16:59, Scion wrote:
JNugent put finger to keyboard:

On 12/08/2013 12:45, Scion wrote:
JNugent put finger to keyboard:

On 05/08/2013 22:27, Phil W Lee wrote:

snip

And it gives no difference between the act of going straight on,
turning left, and turning right.
All a green light gives is a suspension of the prohibition on
passing the stop line. Nothing more.

Rubbish. There are all sorts of traffic light junctions, some of
which allow turning traffic priority over oncoming traffic.

You were just wrong (very wrong), that's all.

On this point Phil is right.

He is wrong if the "thinks" that the green light instructs you to give
way to anyone who has a red light (and that's actually at the murky
bottom of what he's trying to claim).

Can't see where he said that TBH.

He did say it nevertheless, and so did one or two other people who
(ill-advisedly) sought to support him.

The traffic light *only* tells you that you may proceed past the
line.

That's all it *needs* to tell you, because when it was red it was only
telling you that you may *not* proceed past the same line (complicated
junctions with idiosyncrasies of layout, etc, excepted of course).
Once you're past the line on a green light, the normal rules of the
road, which apply everywhere, all the time, apply again.

Of course - that's what I said. So why you said that Phil's statement
that "All a green light gives is a suspension of the prohibition on
passing the stop line" was "rubbish" is a mystery.

That's because that's not what his statement was.

Our interpretations differ, obviously. I thought the point he was trying
to make was that the green light does not indicate priority after the
driver passes the stop line, which we all seem to be in violent agreement
with :-)

Even if you've got, say, a green right-turn filter arrow, you don't
have priority over oncoming traffic, which *may*
have crossed their line on green - think slow cyclists, invalid
scooters and so on.

Aren't you clever?

It's a burden I've learned to live with.

Which bit of "the normal rules of the road apply" is too difficult?

For me? None of it.

Apologies for the last bit. It was OTT.

No problem. It's Usenet after all, OTT is not compulsory (yet!) but is
hardly unexpected.

Routemasters (again)
 

"Peter Keller" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:12:46 +0100, Judith wrote:

sunshine

Why do people insult others?

people who insult are insecure and what they say to be mean is the
deepest fear they have about themselves
its a control drama

You mean like the ones called Peeler and Revd. Although I reckon they are
one and the same person.