"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote:
Simon Brooke wrote:
On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote:

I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared
to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it is
not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow?

While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is
tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous?
It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a lot
better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically, or be
prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in this
country are not acceptable.

How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in motion?

Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian
sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

On 13 Sep, 06:12, Doug wrote:
On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote:



Simon Brooke wrote:
On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote:

I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared
to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it is
not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow?

While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is
tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous?
It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a lot
better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically, or be
prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in this
country are not acceptable.

How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in motion?

Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian
sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users.

--
UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

....still paranoid then Doug.

Life's full of risks - No matter what you ride or drive, you have to
treat everyone else on the road/path like they're suicidally stupid,
and always be ready for the unexpected. Medicals and stiffer sentences
aren't going to make any difference, you check out any HSE stats and
see that there's always going to be this residual risk left at the
bottom of the graph after all possible potential is removed - that's
life!

The original article seems to be saying that it's not the traffic at
fault - it's the cycle path stuck in the gutter of the road, placing
cyclists in harms way - that's the problem. You shouldn't be ranting
about drivers, petition instead your local authority for safer cycle
ways - and if that doesn't work out and you can't accept your own
responsibilities where personal safety is concerned, then why not get
the hell out of Catford....

Mac

"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

Doug wrote:
On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote:
Simon Brooke wrote:
On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote:

I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared
to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it
is not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow?

While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is
tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous?
It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a
lot better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically,
or be prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in
this country are not acceptable.

How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in
motion?

Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian
sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users.

How does that stop a driver suffering from a heart attack whilst driving,
how would you pay for the additional new doctors required to carry out the
check and what sentence would you impose on a dead car driver?

"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Phil W Lee wrote:

Doug :

Surely if every time a driver set off on a journey they knew they
could be facing a long prison sentence for killing or seriously
injuring someone they would drive much more carefully and have more
respect for the safety of vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians?

I favour the spiked steering wheel boss myself, although for maximum
psychological impact the spike would ideally be mounted about 14"
lower.

Doug and Lee interacting and egging each other on.

A better example of the social reinforcement of bullying would be
hard to find.

The steering wheel spike is frequently quoted by police as being the
only real item that would stop people riving like idiots.

PL is only repeating what I've seen on telly several times.

Doug, Lee and KeithT interacting and egging each other on.

A better example of the social reinforcement of bullying would be hard
to find. Unless another name can be added to the list.

But we are only repeating what has been said by those who have to deal
with the everyday mess that with is caused by poor and inconsiderate
drivers.
More than one person having seen or heard similar remarks from those
qualified to investigate and interpret vehicle crashes are not engaged
in some form of bullying.
Real life - not something you seem to be that familiar with.

Or is it just that you are jumping on the 'hate Doug' bandwagon which is
is obvious bullying.

--

Come to Dave & Boris - your cycle security experts.

"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

Alex Potter wrote:

JNugent wrote on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:26:33 +0100:

Banning buses, surely?

Wrong. Try again.

We already have several outstanding nominations for Context Snipper Of The
Year. You'll have to do even better than your truncated post above
(reproduced in full above) to be fully in the running.

"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

Keitht wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Phil W Lee wrote:
Doug :

Surely if every time a driver set off on a journey they knew they
could be facing a long prison sentence for killing or seriously
injuring someone they would drive much more carefully and have more
respect for the safety of vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians?

I favour the spiked steering wheel boss myself, although for maximum
psychological impact the spike would ideally be mounted about 14"
lower.

Doug and Lee interacting and egging each other on.
A better example of the social reinforcement of bullying would be
hard to find.

The steering wheel spike is frequently quoted by police as being the
only real item that would stop people riving like idiots.
PL is only repeating what I've seen on telly several times.

Doug, Lee and KeithT interacting and egging each other on.
A better example of the social reinforcement of bullying would be hard
to find. Unless another name can be added to the list.

But we are only repeating what has been said by those who have to deal
with the everyday mess that with is caused by poor and inconsiderate
drivers.

It would be better if you all stopped, *thought* about the topic,
*considered* it and then either:

(a) made *sensible* suggestions instead of your usual fourth form level
remarks, or

(b) refrained from making any suggestions at all (since you don't appear to
have any sensible ones to make).

Option (b) would make you all look less silly and less like demented beings
braying against the normal (and real) world.

Motor cars are not going away this side of a world cataclysm. Get used to it.

More than one person having seen or heard similar remarks from those
qualified to investigate and interpret vehicle crashes are not engaged
in some form of bullying.
Real life - not something you seem to be that familiar with.

Or is it just that you are jumping on the 'hate Doug' bandwagon which is
is obvious bullying.

I - as Doug ought to be the very first to admit - have never done that.

When he is right (and he sometimes is), I support him.

"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

In article ,
Alex Potter wrote:
JNugent wrote on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:26:33 +0100:

Banning buses, surely?

Wrong. Try again.

Why? In smaller cities, such as Cambridge, buses are not viable
for enough of the trips to consider banning cars, for precisely the
same reason that the traffic problems in Los Angeles (and that
franchise of Mephisopheles himself) Las Vegas are not amenable to
ANY public transport solution.

If you think it through, a viable solution WOULD be to ban buses,
and to introduce a continental-style implicit liability for people
driving motor vehicles in the relevant area.

But that's too radical to contemplate, so we shall continue to be
inflicted with 'safe' solutions that obviously aren't going to work
(and won't).


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

On Sep 13, 10:04*am, "Brimstone"
wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote:
Simon Brooke wrote:
On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote:

I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared
to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it
is not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow?

While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is
tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous?
It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a
lot better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically,
or be prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in
this country are not acceptable.

How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in
motion?

Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian
sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users.

How does that stop a driver suffering from a heart attack whilst driving,
how would you pay for the additional new doctors required to carry out the
check and what sentence would you impose on a dead car driver?


Doug would get his mates to dig him up & blackmail his relatives.

PeterG

"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

JNugent wrote on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:26:33 +0100:

Alex Potter wrote:
Alan Braggins wrote on Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:31:00 +0100:

Plenty of room if you ban cars. Somehow I suspect that's the answer
MattB is looking for....

When it takes me (unfit, 62 year old) 3 times as long to travel from
the city centre to my home by bus than it does by bike (I live just
outside Birmingham's "Outer Circle" on one of Brum's radial roads), I
suspect that the time for banning cars in most cities is long overdue.

Banning buses, surely?

Here you go, unsnipped.

"Most" was probably a poor choice of word. Certainly in Birmingham, if
car use, except in exceptional circumstances, was forbidden for local
journeys (i.e. those inside the motorway box) and if the decline of the
city's public transport was reversed then getting around would become
much easier.

Few places here are more than 5 or 10 minutes' walk from a bus stop, and
we are no longer dependant on the car industry, which has for so long
driven transport thinking here.

--
Regards
Alex

http://www.badphorm.co.uk/

"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
 

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
Doug wrote:
On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote:
Simon Brooke wrote:
On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote:

I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared
to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it
is not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow?

While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is
tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous?
It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a
lot better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically,
or be prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in
this country are not acceptable.

How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in
motion?

Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian
sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users.

How does that stop a driver suffering from a heart attack whilst driving,
how would you pay for the additional new doctors required to carry out the
check and what sentence would you impose on a dead car driver?

Howsabout banning anyone from driving who has a BMI 25. That way it would
dramatically reduce the probability of said driver having heart attack, it
would mean all the fatties would be forced to walk a bit more and get some
much needed exercise, and reduce the traffic at the same time

Big problems often have very simple solutions.