Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening,
failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 |
Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. |
Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a quick glance in a mirror. The cyclist was also careless, he would have seen the vehicle stop and would know that the likelihood is that a door will open soon after, he failed to allow enough room or stopping distance to avoid the possibility, his machine was of such a type and in such poor condition that he left it all too late to slow, stop or otherwise avoid the obvious obstacle. |
Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:02:21 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:
Viable transport? Yes. |
Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 09:47, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a quick glance in a mirror. The cyclist was also careless, he would have seen the vehicle stop and would know that the likelihood is that a door will open soon after, he failed to allow enough room or stopping distance to avoid the possibility, his machine was of such a type and in such poor condition that he left it all too late to slow, stop or otherwise avoid the obvious obstacle. "a quick glance"!? Unlike you, I look *very* carefully before opening my car doors. She was to blame, unless you strangely consider that the accident would've happened even if she hadn't opened the door? She opened her door carelessly, resulting in his death. How you can side with her is beyond me. |
Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 10:44, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:47, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a quick glance in a mirror. The cyclist was also careless, he would have seen the vehicle stop and would know that the likelihood is that a door will open soon after, he failed to allow enough room or stopping distance to avoid the possibility, his machine was of such a type and in such poor condition that he left it all too late to slow, stop or otherwise avoid the obvious obstacle. "a quick glance"!? Unlike you, I look *very* carefully before opening my car doors. She was to blame, unless you strangely consider that the accident would've happened even if she hadn't opened the door? She opened her door carelessly, resulting in his death. How you can side with her is beyond me. I do not side with her. She failed to look enough, however the cyclist could also have avoided the incident by being more observant. As the most vulnerable one he needed to take the most care, yet he clearly did not. |
Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 13:08, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 10:44, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:47, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a quick glance in a mirror. The cyclist was also careless, he would have seen the vehicle stop and would know that the likelihood is that a door will open soon after, he failed to allow enough room or stopping distance to avoid the possibility, his machine was of such a type and in such poor condition that he left it all too late to slow, stop or otherwise avoid the obvious obstacle. "a quick glance"!? Unlike you, I look *very* carefully before opening my car doors. She was to blame, unless you strangely consider that the accident would've happened even if she hadn't opened the door? She opened her door carelessly, resulting in his death. How you can side with her is beyond me. I do not side with her. She failed to look enough, however the cyclist could also have avoided the incident by being more observant. As the most vulnerable one he needed to take the most care, yet he clearly did not. How on earth can a cyclist avoid a car door suddenly being opened when you're a few feet away from the door and travelling at around 15mph? I've had several close calls like that when I've been cycling. Car drivers are notorious for not seeing cyclists and not just door openings, but many don't look properly at junctions. I've had many just pull out dangerously because they haven't seen me. They only seem to be looking out for cars etc. Too much of a hurry and not enough care. |
Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote:
Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 The school run is a bad time for cyclists, and I suspect anybody on or near roads. I give cars a very wide berth at those times. Just out of interest, how would you 'notice the likelihood of a car door opening'? It's one of these things I cycle in anticipation of, and it happens once or twice a year. Never hit yet, but I've come close. I met a bloke who got caught - left him severely epileptic. Better than the poor sod in your link though. -- Cheers, Rob |
Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. Quite - and hence the finding of the court. I've just bought a new to me car, with swish electric folding mirrors. But they only work off a switch inside the car, so I have to check without mirrors. Hardly a great hardship, but irritating. -- Cheers, Rob |
Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 13:25, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 13:08, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 10:44, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:47, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a quick glance in a mirror. The cyclist was also careless, he would have seen the vehicle stop and would know that the likelihood is that a door will open soon after, he failed to allow enough room or stopping distance to avoid the possibility, his machine was of such a type and in such poor condition that he left it all too late to slow, stop or otherwise avoid the obvious obstacle. "a quick glance"!? Unlike you, I look *very* carefully before opening my car doors. She was to blame, unless you strangely consider that the accident would've happened even if she hadn't opened the door? She opened her door carelessly, resulting in his death. How you can side with her is beyond me. I do not side with her. She failed to look enough, however the cyclist could also have avoided the incident by being more observant. As the most vulnerable one he needed to take the most care, yet he clearly did not. How on earth can a cyclist avoid a car door suddenly being opened when you're a few feet away from the door and travelling at around 15mph? I've had several close calls like that when I've been cycling. Car drivers are notorious for not seeing cyclists and not just door openings, but many don't look properly at junctions. I've had many just pull out dangerously because they haven't seen me. They only seem to be looking out for cars etc. Too much of a hurry and not enough care. Quite - I think you'd need to be a cyclist to realise. As I said up thread, the school run is a terror for this. And parents who unload their kids into the road. I despair at times. -- Cheers, Rob |
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