Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 10:03:54 PM UTC, Peter Parry wrote:

There is a web site where the owner publishes the details of all the
cycling fatalities he can find in local and national papers to act as
a memorial to "cyclists down". He generally puts the cause of the
death, The last time I looked early last year over a third of cyclist
deaths occurred while they were on club rides, time trials, "training
rides or similar club or racing related activities.

Keith Peat passed away from terminal cancer in 2016 and he collected dead cyclists like people used to collect dead butterflies. A truly hateful and sad individual. RIP indeed.

This was his final page.

https://kspeat.wixsite.com/driversun...ath-2016/fm32p

Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 10:03:54 PM UTC, Peter Parry wrote:


There is a web site where the owner publishes the details of all the
cycling fatalities he can find in local and national papers to act as
a memorial to "cyclists down". He generally puts the cause of the
death,

Here is his 2015 collection.

https://kspeat.wixsite.com/driversun...ing-death-2015

Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 10:03:54 PM UTC, Peter Parry wrote:

There is a web site where the owner publishes the details of all the
cycling fatalities he can find in local and national papers to act as
a memorial to "cyclists down". He generally puts the cause of the
death, The last time I looked early last year over a third of cyclist
deaths occurred while they were on club rides, time trials, "training
rides or similar club or racing related activities.

Keith Peat passed away from terminal cancer in 2016 and he collected dead cyclists like people used to collect dead butterflies. A truly hateful and sad individual. RIP indeed.

This was his final page.

https://kspeat.wixsite.com/driversun...ing-death-2016

Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

On 16/03/2019 09:29, TMS320 wrote:
On 16/03/2019 00:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 15/03/2019 22:03, Peter Parry wrote:

There is a web site where the owner publishes the details of all the
cycling fatalities he can find in local and national papers to act as
a memorial to "cyclists down".Â* He generally puts the cause of the
death,Â* The last time I looked early last year over a third of cyclist
deaths occurred while they were on club rides, time trials, "training
rides or similar club or racing related activities.

In other words, a third occur at weekends. Which is 5/7ths of a week.

Err... 2/7ths of the week. I am sure you get the drift. Besides, a large
number of weekend rides "club rides" are purely social - essentially
rambling with bicycles. Your information is worthless.

The few 'club' people I know have regular weekday evening rides, and
it's rare not to see solo/pair cyclists on the national speed limit
countryside roads just south of Sheffield at any time.

TBH when I'm in the car I find them terrifying, difficult to pass
safely, and they seem focussed on riding the racing line and two or
three abreast. The roads are also in pretty poor condition. As a
cyclist, pretty much the last thing I'd do out of choice.

Of course, I take the point that as a motorist I should only pass when
it's safe. It's simply that the risk escalates on roads that weren't
designed for this sort of mixed use.

Somebody in the (literally) pub did tell me that injuries and fatalities
on those roads was high and non-specifically reported, suggesting some
sort of agenda. Not sure where he was going but seemed to at least have
an interest.

--
Cheers, Rob

Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 11:53:38 AM UTC, wrote:
On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 10:03:54 PM UTC, Peter Parry wrote:

There is a web site where the owner publishes the details of all the
cycling fatalities he can find in local and national papers to act as
a memorial to "cyclists down". He generally puts the cause of the
death, The last time I looked early last year over a third of cyclist
deaths occurred while they were on club rides, time trials, "training
rides or similar club or racing related activities.

Keith Peat passed away from terminal cancer in 2016 and he collected dead cyclists like people used to collect dead butterflies. A truly hateful and sad individual. RIP indeed.

This was his final page.

https://kspeat.wixsite.com/driversun...ing-death-2016

As I have said many times it is not about what cyclists do but who they are.

We live in a Police state and a well run tyranny needs a scapegoat for the masses to focus their anger on. Cyclists are currently it. At one time it was single mothers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU2kvjRO5CI

Skip to 6:50

Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

On 16/03/2019 13:35, RJH wrote:
On 16/03/2019 09:29, TMS320 wrote:
On 16/03/2019 00:11, TMS320 wrote:
On 15/03/2019 22:03, Peter Parry wrote:

There is a web site where the owner publishes the details of
all the cycling fatalities he can find in local and national
papers to act as a memorial to "cyclists down". He generally
puts the cause of the death, The last time I looked early last
year over a third of cyclist deaths occurred while they were on
club rides, time trials, "training rides or similar club or
racing related activities.

In other words, a third occur at weekends. Which is 5/7ths of a
week.

Err... 2/7ths of the week. I am sure you get the drift. Besides, a
large number of weekend rides "club rides" are purely social -
essentially rambling with bicycles. Your information is worthless.

The few 'club' people I know have regular weekday evening rides, and
it's rare not to see solo/pair cyclists on the national speed limit
countryside roads just south of Sheffield at any time.

The OP was concerned about people racing. Your club riders - what sort
of racing are they doing?

My idea of "national speed limit countryside roads" are generally single
tracks. The roads where it is sensibly possible to do NSL I consider to
be main roads.

Are we talking about the same thing?

TBH when I'm in the car I find them terrifying, difficult to pass
safely,

When you are not in danger why is it terrifying for you?

and they seem focussed on riding the racing line and two or three
abreast. The roads are also in pretty poor condition. As a cyclist,
pretty much the last thing I'd do out of choice.

Of course, I take the point that as a motorist I should only pass
when it's safe. It's simply that the risk escalates on roads that
weren't designed for this sort of mixed use.

Would it be easier to overtake if they were riding inline 3ft from the
kerb with 2 seconds gaps between them?

Somebody in the (literally) pub did tell me that injuries and
fatalities on those roads was high and non-specifically reported,
suggesting some sort of agenda. Not sure where he was going but
seemed to at least have an interest.

Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 04:12:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 10:03:54 PM UTC, Peter Parry wrote:

There is a web site where the owner publishes the details of all the
cycling fatalities he can find in local and national papers to act as
a memorial to "cyclists down". He generally puts the cause of the
death, The last time I looked early last year over a third of cyclist
deaths occurred while they were on club rides, time trials, "training
rides or similar club or racing related activities.

Keith Peat passed away from terminal cancer in 2016 and he collected dead cyclists like people used to collect dead butterflies.

That was not the one I was thinking of. https://beyondthekerb.org.uk/
seems to be the one or have similar functionality albeit that it is
more difficult to use than the one I remember.

Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 3:12:59 PM UTC, Peter Parry wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 04:12:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 10:03:54 PM UTC, Peter Parry wrote:

There is a web site where the owner publishes the details of all the
cycling fatalities he can find in local and national papers to act as
a memorial to "cyclists down". He generally puts the cause of the
death, The last time I looked early last year over a third of cyclist
deaths occurred while they were on club rides, time trials, "training
rides or similar club or racing related activities.

Keith Peat passed away from terminal cancer in 2016 and he collected dead cyclists like people used to collect dead butterflies.

That was not the one I was thinking of. https://beyondthekerb.org.uk/
seems to be the one or have similar functionality albeit that it is
more difficult to use than the one I remember.

Not seen that one.
That site seems to be a less prolific and less obsessive version of the late Mr Peat's.

Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 06:49:14 -0700 (PDT), Simon Jester
wrote:

s I have said many times it is not about what cyclists do but who they are.

No, its what _ some_ of them do where "some" is unfortunately a large
number. Cyclists are not a single community. There are at least two
major groups .

The first don't even consider themselves cyclists and wouldn't dream
of joining a club for it. They are the ever declining group of
utility cyclists. Largely invisible on roads they go shopping and
post letters. They push their bikes up hills, stop at junctions and
traffic lights and give pedestrians on crossings priority and a smile.
They go out in the same clothes they wear daily. At places like
school entrances they will slow down and may dismount and walk not
because they have to but because it is the right thing to do. Nobody
minds them in the least. Wholly un represented by cyclist pressure
groups they would like more cycle tracks and think 5 or 6 MPH is good
going. Holland is still full of them.

The second group are the combat cyclists, Alfa minus males in the
statutory uniform of lurid Lycra festooned with advertising slogans,
rainbow sunglasses and fingerless gloves. Nearly all are male and
between 25 and 45.

They are the people who run things as "cyclists representatives" They
hate mention of dedicated cycle lanes and go on about the "right to
ride" as a quasi religious ideal. They think the very young and the
elderly should stop being wimps and take the lane as vehicular
cyclists 6ft in front of 40 tonnes of articulated lorry.

Obsessed with Strava times they go as fast as they can no matter how
inappropriate that speed might be. It doesn't matter as speed limits
don't apply to them.

They know it is always safer to steam through red lights than it is
to stop. Pedestrian crossings are invisible (as are any unfortunates
trying to cross using them). The warning signal is a scream of "get
out of my f*****g way cos I'm not f*****g stopping". You will rarely
see them in Holland.

There is a steep tree lined hill leading to a main road near here
which illustrates the two types quite well. The utility cyclists
wouldn't dream of cycling up it mainly because few could but also
because they would see it as antisocial to hold up everyone else if
they tried. They push their bikes up the footpath, stop for a bit of a
rest on the bench half way up and have a chat with others stopped at
the same place for the same reason.

The Lycristas ride up in the middle of the road making it impossible
for anyone to pass. They manage about 2MPH.

Guess which group people remember?

Pedestrian mows down cyclist
 

Peter Parry wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 06:49:14 -0700 (PDT), Simon Jester
wrote:

s I have said many times it is not about what cyclists do but who
they are.

No, its what _ some_ of them do where "some" is unfortunately a large
number. Cyclists are not a single community. There are at least two
major groups .

The first don't even consider themselves cyclists and wouldn't dream
of joining a club for it. They are the ever declining group of
utility cyclists. Largely invisible on roads they go shopping and
post letters. They push their bikes up hills, stop at junctions and
traffic lights and give pedestrians on crossings priority and a smile.
They go out in the same clothes they wear daily. At places like
school entrances they will slow down and may dismount and walk not
because they have to but because it is the right thing to do. Nobody
minds them in the least. Wholly un represented by cyclist pressure
groups they would like more cycle tracks and think 5 or 6 MPH is good
going. Holland is still full of them.

The second group are the combat cyclists, Alfa minus males in the
statutory uniform of lurid Lycra festooned with advertising slogans,
rainbow sunglasses and fingerless gloves. Nearly all are male and
between 25 and 45.

They are the people who run things as "cyclists representatives" They
hate mention of dedicated cycle lanes and go on about the "right to
ride" as a quasi religious ideal. They think the very young and the
elderly should stop being wimps and take the lane as vehicular
cyclists 6ft in front of 40 tonnes of articulated lorry.

Obsessed with Strava times they go as fast as they can no matter how
inappropriate that speed might be. It doesn't matter as speed limits
don't apply to them.

They know it is always safer to steam through red lights than it is
to stop. Pedestrian crossings are invisible (as are any unfortunates
trying to cross using them). The warning signal is a scream of "get
out of my f*****g way cos I'm not f*****g stopping". You will rarely
see them in Holland.

There is a steep tree lined hill leading to a main road near here
which illustrates the two types quite well. The utility cyclists
wouldn't dream of cycling up it mainly because few could but also
because they would see it as antisocial to hold up everyone else if
they tried. They push their bikes up the footpath, stop for a bit of a
rest on the bench half way up and have a chat with others stopped at
the same place for the same reason.

The Lycristas ride up in the middle of the road making it impossible
for anyone to pass. They manage about 2MPH.

Guess which group people remember?

Well said.