lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
alot, but whatever.

receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.

their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.

hmmm...lemme seee he shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
and it takes me a minute or two.

clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
who knows nothing at all about customer service.

walter

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
From: Robert Lickton

Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
actual
cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?

Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT), walter
wrote:

i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
alot, but whatever.

receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.

their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.

hmmm...lemme seee he shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
and it takes me a minute or two.

clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
who knows nothing at all about customer service.

walter

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
From: Robert Lickton

Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
actual
cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?

Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's

Curt + 1
Walther 0

Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
kitchen drawer. Put it in an envelope. Make sure it's not going to
pierce the packaging. Put my address on the envelope. Now take it to
the post office and pay the postage.

Tell me that you'll do that for a stranger for less than six bucks.
--
zk

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
alot, but whatever.

receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
631% markup is ludicrous,

It's not a markup, it's a service charge.

My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they shouldn't be
charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of vegetables or whatever in it?
How is that different?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"walter" wrote in message
...
i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
alot, but whatever.

receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.

their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.

hmmm...lemme seee he shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
and it takes me a minute or two.

clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
who knows nothing at all about customer service.

walter

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
From: Robert Lickton

Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
actual
cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?

Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's

Lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

Zoot Katz wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT), walter
wrote:

i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
alot, but whatever.

receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.

their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.

hmmm...lemme seee he shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
and it takes me a minute or two.

clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
who knows nothing at all about customer service.

walter

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
From: Robert Lickton

Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
actual
cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?

Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's

Curt + 1
Walther 0

Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
kitchen drawer. Put it in an envelope. Make sure it's not going to
pierce the packaging. Put my address on the envelope. Now take it to
the post office and pay the postage.

Tell me that you'll do that for a stranger for less than six bucks.

Having performed lower management, my opinion is that Zoot is correct,
and Walter Manning is off base.

This post will NOT discourage me from ordering from Lickton's.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

In article
,
walter wrote:

clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on
the basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a
jackass who knows nothing at all about customer service.

Lickton's is a brick and mortar shop that has been in business for at
least 30+ years, since I first did business with them in 1978 and they
were well-known then. Bob Lickton is notorious cranky and, from a
customer service perspective, that's not a particularly good thing as
you point out. On the other hand, he's managed to be in business for a
long time and to develop a reputation as one of the better shops in the
Chicago area. So he's done something right.

I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
service than Lickton's.

As a customer, of course, you certainly have the right to no longer do
business with them if their service was unsatisfactory from your
perspective.

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

"walter" wrote: (clip) further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Lemme guess. They didn't actually say that you were subsidizing Kryptonite
locks. They tried to point out that they have a minimum charge, which
results in less margin for handling on the heavier items (like Kryptonite
locks.)

It would be a good customer relations ploy to have a sub-minimum charge for
items that will fit in a first-class envelope.

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

On Apr 21, 8:13 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:


I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
service than Lickton's.

Could be Walter has already gotten angry at all his local bike shops
because they're not working for free, either.

- Frank Krygowski

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

On Apr 21, 5:13*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:

As a customer, of course, you certainly have the right to no longer do
business with them /if/ their service was unsatisfactory from your
perspective.

... if ...? wtf?

He doesn't have to do business with them for any reason or for no
reason.

BTW, Walt is a cry-baby who has nothing better to do than waste his
time and everyone else's time complaining about some gd sub-$10
purchase that went all wrong. I mean, he could post something about
global warming.

Walt, you wouldn't own a Bianchi, per chance?

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of vegetables
or whatever in it? How is that different?

One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton. ;)

Another example is medicine.

Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."

Doctor: "Don't do that."

That will cost you upwards of $50.

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:37:09 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:


"walter" wrote: (clip) further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Lemme guess. They didn't actually say that you were subsidizing Kryptonite
locks. They tried to point out that they have a minimum charge, which
results in less margin for handling on the heavier items (like Kryptonite
locks.)

It would be a good customer relations ploy to have a sub-minimum charge for
items that will fit in a first-class envelope.

Stickers?
--
zk

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:07:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 21, 8:13 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:


I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
service than Lickton's.

Could be Walter has already gotten angry at all his local bike shops
because they're not working for free, either.

Posting private e-mail without the author's consent is a scummiest of
stupid stunts to start with. In this his case piddling rant
backfired.

I liked the Subject: of Curt's response, "We love you, too, Walter."
--
zk

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

On Apr 21, 8:07*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:

BTW, Walt is a cry-baby who has nothing better to do than waste his
time and everyone else's time complaining about some gd sub-$10
purchase that went all wrong. *I mean, he could post something about
global warming.

I think Walt's offbase but at least he's on topic. Let's see...
rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.racing, rec.bicycles.marketplace,
rec.bicycles.soc. Nope, not a word about global warming or any other
allegedly impending climate change. There are plenty of offtopic
threads in these NGs without encouraging more.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

"Zoot Katz" wrote: Stickers?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I get more of those than I want, free of charge, along the road shoulders.
;-)

I was thinking more in terms of a Campy lock ring.

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

"walter" wrote in message
...
i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
alot, but whatever.

receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.

their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.

hmmm...lemme seee he shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
and it takes me a minute or two.

clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
who knows nothing at all about customer service.

walter

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
From: Robert Lickton

Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
actual
cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?

Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's

When informing customers about Shipping & Handling we often have a similar
problem, arise. We have a $5 minimum deal. I figured our worst case
scenario: only one item to get to the post office, with one small item in
the bag. If we send someone to do the post office run, it will probably take
45 minutes. The postage may only be a dollar, but what will it cost you for
the employee to drive up there, stand in line and then return? Many times we
actually have been called back by customers complaining about paying our $5
minimum when the actual postage on the package was over $6. My wife and I
sometimes have to sit back and laugh...

Lately though, the gas prices have sharply reduced the shipping costs
complaints.

Bruce

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

"Bruce Gilbert" wrote in message
m...

When informing customers about Shipping & Handling we often have a similar
problem, arise. We have a $5 minimum deal. I figured our worst case
scenario: only one item to get to the post office, with one small item in
the bag. If we send someone to do the post office run, it will probably
take
45 minutes. The postage may only be a dollar, but what will it cost you
for
the employee to drive up there, stand in line and then return? Many times
we
actually have been called back by customers complaining about paying our
$5
minimum when the actual postage on the package was over $6. My wife and I
sometimes have to sit back and laugh...

Lately though, the gas prices have sharply reduced the shipping costs
complaints.

What always amazes me is that these same people don't complain about very
expensive high end bikes that simply aren't worth the sort of money they're
willing to pay to get them. But that dollar part now......

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

Tim McNamara wrote:

I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
service than Lickton's.

I'm sure that driving or riding or calling around looking for a shop
that has this item in stock would have cost him far more than $6 worth
of time, fuel, etc. OTOH, some on-line stores do offer very low-priced
shipping for items they can stick in a padded envelope which is nice of
them. They don't have to go to the post office to do this, their mail
carrier will pick them up.

As a customer, of course, you certainly have the right to no longer do
business with them if their service was unsatisfactory from your
perspective.

I'll order more stuff from Lickton's to make up for Walter!

I've ordered Lone Peak stuff from them, as it's nearly impossible to
find locally. Lone Peak has one of the only trunk bags that doesn't use
funky velcro straps to hold it onto the rack. Lickton's charges $50 for
it, another on-line store charges $70 for it.

"http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB='3648-01'"
"http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/acc/bag/bag.html"

Another item I've found at Lickton's are the elusive Ciussi Elite VIP
Universal Cage Mount. He charges $7.95. Harris Cyclery charges $15.95
for the same item. It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
shop, but that's quite a difference in mark-up!

"http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB='3242-00'"
"http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/accessories.html"

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

On Apr 21, 4:25 pm, walter wrote:
i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
alot, but whatever.

receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.

their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.

hmmm...lemme seee he shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
and it takes me a minute or two.

clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
who knows nothing at all about customer service.

Congratulations! You have succeeded in letting everyone know what a
putz you are. You write unpleasant emails complaining about a few
bucks, have a problem maintaining blood sugar levels, are entirely
clueless when it comes to business costs, don't know enough to ask
about shipping beforehand, and you take cheap shots at people on
Usenet. You should be very proud.

Go get a candy bar and shut up.

R

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

In article ,
Zoot Katz wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:07:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 21, 8:13 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:


I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
service than Lickton's.

Could be Walter has already gotten angry at all his local bike shops
because they're not working for free, either.

Posting private e-mail without the author's consent is a scummiest of
stupid stunts to start with. In this his case piddling rant
backfired.

I liked the Subject: of Curt's response, "We love you, too, Walter."

Not the scummiest. Sorry to disagree. Modifying quoted material
and presenting it as the original is scummier.

--
Michael Press

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

In article ,
SMS wrote:


[...]


Another item I've found at Lickton's are the elusive Ciussi Elite VIP
Universal Cage Mount. He charges $7.95. Harris Cyclery charges $15.95
for the same item. It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
^^^^^^^^^^^

I can't resist.

--
Michael Press

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT), walter
wrote:

i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
alot, but whatever.

receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.

their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.

hmmm...lemme seee he shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
and it takes me a minute or two.

clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
who knows nothing at all about customer service.

walter

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
From: Robert Lickton

Lickton's Rocks man.

I ordered some fenders for my bike and they not only shipped them FAST
they shipped them for a very reasonable rate. And the price of the
fenders were cheaper than anybody else! Great store!

I remember once I ordered some Decals for my Surly Pacer from another
well known online bike store (Alfred E. Bike) and I emailed them
before placing the order and asked if they would charge me half of the
shipping $6.00 because the order was so light and small. They
agreed with a smile. Another fine online store in my opinion. So
sometimes you have to ask.

Fritz

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

"Bill Sornson" wrote: (clip) that old malt liquor ad calling it a
"completely unique"
experience (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the same category: "In order to form a *more perfect* union."

A few of my favorites: "I have a friend of mine." "I own my own home."
"hot water heater,"

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

ZBicyclist schrieb:
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of vegetables
or whatever in it? How is that different?

One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton. ;)

Another example is medicine.

Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."

Doctor: "Don't do that."

That will cost you upwards of $50.

No, only 10 ¤. Maybe it costs social security the equivalent of $50, but
I doubt it.

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

Jens Müller wrote:
ZBicyclist schrieb:
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of
vegetables or whatever in it? How is that different?

One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton. ;)

Another example is medicine.

Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."

Doctor: "Don't do that."

That will cost you upwards of $50.

No, only 10 ¤. Maybe it costs social security the equivalent of $50,
but I doubt it.

At the rate the dollar is going, it may not be long before 10 ¤. IS $50.

When the Euro was first introduced, it was worth about 80 US cents. Now
it's worth $1.60


--
Mike Kruger
"You have to be careful if you are reckless." - Richard M. Daley

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

"completely unique"
experience (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the same category: "In order to form a *more perfect* union."

A few of my favorites: "I have a friend of mine." "I own my own home."
"hot water heater,"

I heard once that Freud used to get exasperated when someone would write him
a letter starting with "Dearest" for the same reasons....

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In article ,
Jens Müller wrote:

ZBicyclist schrieb:
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of
vegetables or whatever in it? How is that different?

One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton. ;)

Another example is medicine.

Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."

Doctor: "Don't do that."

That will cost you upwards of $50.

No, only 10 ¤. Maybe it costs social security the equivalent of $50,
but I doubt it.

Ah, but you (assuming your .de address means that you are in Germany)
are much more likely to have a rational health care system than we have
in the US. Here's that'd be $50 if you have insurance, $150 if you
don't.

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In article ,
"ZBicyclist" wrote:

Jens Müller wrote:
ZBicyclist schrieb:
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of
vegetables or whatever in it? How is that different?

One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton.
;)

Another example is medicine.

Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."

Doctor: "Don't do that."

That will cost you upwards of $50.

No, only 10 ¤. Maybe it costs social security the equivalent of
$50, but I doubt it.

At the rate the dollar is going, it may not be long before 10 ¤. IS
$50.

When the Euro was first introduced, it was worth about 80 US cents.
Now it's worth $1.60

When I was in France the first time (2002), the Euro was worth US$0.98
to US$1.01. This made it just incredibly convenient to understand
prices in terms I was familiar with. When I went in 2003, I think the
Euro was worth about US$1.20 or so, which still wasn't bad to calculate
but was disadvantageous as a tourist. Now I basically can't afford to
go back to Europe for a cycling vacation as my costs would be so much
higher.

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In article ,
SMS wrote:

Tim McNamara wrote:

I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding
down to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse
customer service than Lickton's.

I'm sure that driving or riding or calling around looking for a shop
that has this item in stock would have cost him far more than $6
worth of time, fuel, etc. OTOH, some on-line stores do offer very
low-priced shipping for items they can stick in a padded envelope
which is nice of them. They don't have to go to the post office to do
this, their mail carrier will pick them up.

As a customer, of course, you certainly have the right to no longer
do business with them if their service was unsatisfactory from your
perspective.

I'll order more stuff from Lickton's to make up for Walter!

I've bought things in person and by mail order from Lickton's and have
always gotten a good deal and generally the customer service has been
good. I have usually dealt with Robin rather than Bob.

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Bill Sornson wrote:
Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
SMS wrote:

[...]

[...}

It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
^^^^^^^^^^^

I can't resist.

I'm with you on that one. (My father used to rant -- or maybe just vent a
bit -- on that old malt liquor ad calling it a "completely unique"
experience. Drilled into my pea brain.)

Plus that malt liquor was up to 50% and more less expensive.

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In article ,
"Bill Sornson" wrote:

Michael Press wrote:
In article , SMS
wrote:

[...]

[...}

It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
^^^^^^^^^^^

I can't resist.

I'm with you on that one. (My father used to rant -- or maybe just
vent a bit -- on that old malt liquor ad calling it a "completely
unique" experience. Drilled into my pea brain.)

Bill "that and 'irregardless'" S.

Irrespective of your father's grammatical proclivities, it's better to
sell a totally unique product than a partially unique one- irregardless
of whether English teachers like it. :-D

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In article
,
Bob wrote:

On Apr 21, 8:07*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:

BTW, Walt is a cry-baby who has nothing better to do than waste his
time and everyone else's time complaining about some gd sub-$10
purchase that went all wrong. *I mean, he could post something
about global warming.

I think Walt's offbase but at least he's on topic. Let's see...
rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.racing, rec.bicycles.marketplace,
rec.bicycles.soc. Nope, not a word about global warming or any other
allegedly impending climate change. There are plenty of offtopic
threads in these NGs without encouraging more.

LOL. Although I'd disagree about rec.bikes.soc, as the global warming
discussion might fit in there.

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On Apr 22, 6:11*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article
,

*Bob wrote:
On Apr 21, 8:07*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:

BTW, Walt is a cry-baby who has nothing better to do than waste his
time and everyone else's time complaining about some gd sub-$10
purchase that went all wrong. *I mean, he could post something
about global warming.

I think Walt's offbase but at least he's on topic. Let's see...
rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.racing, rec.bicycles.marketplace,
rec.bicycles.soc. Nope, not a word about global warming or any other
allegedly impending climate change. There are plenty of offtopic
threads in these NGs without encouraging more.

LOL. *Although I'd disagree about rec.bikes.soc, as the global warming
discussion might fit in there.

global warming is on topic in .racing.

Once things heat up we'll have the Tour de Greenland. I hear it has
some great cols. Antarctica? Don't get me started!

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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:

global warming is on topic in .racing.

Once things heat up we'll have the Tour de Greenland. I hear it
has
some great cols. Antarctica? Don't get me started!

Bicycle tourists in Greenland:
http://www.mountainbike-expedition-t...greenland.html

--
Mike Kruger
"You have to be careful if you are reckless." - Richard M. Daley

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ZBicyclist wrote:
Bicycle tourists in Greenland:
http://www.mountainbike-expedition-t...greenland.html

Where else can you descend into a glacier.

lickton's gets no more business from me!
 

Only $6.00 for shipping, and I get to keep the box? Man, I'm gonna
start shopping licktons for all my mail order bike thingies, you
bet.
Of course I think I'll be doing mostly window shopping on-line and my
actual purchasing at the LBS, which may sound backwards to a lot of
you but it seems to work for me.

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"SLAVE of THE STATE" wrote in message
...


He doesn't have to do business with them for any reason or for no
reason.


-----

curious reaction only because he has been performing these
activities all along without warrant and now finally have reason to
be ashamed now they outed him

mk5000

"The miracle isn't that I finished. The miracle is that I had the courage to
start."
- John Bingham (No Need for Speed: A Beginner's Guide to the Joy of Running)
-------------------

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"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

"Bill Sornson" wrote: (clip) that old malt liquor ad calling it a
"completely unique"
experience (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the same category: "In order to form a *more perfect* union."

A few of my favorites: "I have a friend of mine." "I own my own home."
"hot water heater,"


I haven't heard or reacted to the last two
THe first makes me crazy ballistic


I someetimes say gosh he can't be a really close friend or you would have
said my friend

they don't usually get it

sometimes, I ask them what field of mining they are in


mk5000

"She still said nothing and I purposely did not look at her because I did
not wish either to press her or to embarrass her. I was in love with her,
and my heart went out to her as she tried to fathom her own feelings. I felt
like saying: Don't bother to explain, darling. I know it all"
- John Bingham (Five Roundabouts to Heaven)

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In article ,
Zoot Katz writes:

[snip Walter's anti-Lickman's rant]

Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
kitchen drawer.

I recommend a grapefruit knife.

I've ridden all over town in my quest for the Perfect
Grapefruit Knife. I want an old-style one, with
wooden scales + brass rivets on the handle, like an
old-style paring knife (of which I have plenty.)

Heck, I'll trade a wood-handled paring knife for a
wood-handled grapefruit knife.

I've temporarily settled for a lumpy, plastic-handled
doomajigger from that up-market kitchen shop in
Oakridge Mall.

Oh, well. The dollar stores are rife with grapefruit
/spoons/, which are the cat's pajamas for grapefruit
afficionados. They also purvey long-handled soda/float
spoons, which can be quite useful.

Actually, I'm not griping. My quest for the Perfect
Grapefruit Knife is largely an excuse to ride & explore.
Same as my quest for the Perfect Teapot. I like headin'
out with at least a goal, if not a definite destination.
I enjoy prospectin'.

Perhaps if Walter had ridden around in search of his
Campy lockring from a bricks-&-mortar shop, he'd be
a lot happier.

What's so special about a /Campy/ lockring anyways?
(I'm assuming bottom bracket, not headset.)


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

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Tom Keats wrote:
What's so special about a /Campy/ lockring anyways? (I'm assuming bottom
bracket, not headset.)

Cassette presumably ?

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Tom Keats wrote:
In article ,
Zoot Katz writes:

[snip Walter's anti-Lickman's rant]

Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
kitchen drawer.

I recommend a grapefruit knife.

I've ridden all over town in my quest for the Perfect
Grapefruit Knife. I want an old-style one, with
wooden scales + brass rivets on the handle, like an
old-style paring knife (of which I have plenty.)

"http://www.ablekitchen.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BH-573815&Click=8779"

$34.93 for 12 of them.

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"SMS" wrote in message
t...
Tom Keats wrote:
In article ,
Zoot Katz writes:

[snip Walter's anti-Lickman's rant]

Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
kitchen drawer.

I recommend a grapefruit knife.

I've ridden all over town in my quest for the Perfect
Grapefruit Knife. I want an old-style one, with
wooden scales + brass rivets on the handle, like an
old-style paring knife (of which I have plenty.)

"http://www.ablekitchen.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BH-573815&Click=8779"

$34.93 for 12 of them.

How much is shipping?