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Sir Ridesalot February 1st 20 02:18 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing with a car?
 
Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers

Sir Ridesalot February 1st 20 02:23 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing with a car?
 
On Friday, 31 January 2020 21:18:43 UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers


Oops! Forgot to include this from the article:

"Authorities say an investigation concluded a driver ran the red light at a pedestrian cross walk in the 1000 block of West Tennessee and struck Nickchen, who was in the crosswalk.

Officials say the driver will not be criminally charged and will be issued the "appropriate citations."'

AMuzi February 1st 20 03:04 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing witha car?
 
On 1/31/2020 8:23 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 31 January 2020 21:18:43 UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers


Oops! Forgot to include this from the article:

"Authorities say an investigation concluded a driver ran the red light at a pedestrian cross walk in the 1000 block of West Tennessee and struck Nickchen, who was in the crosswalk.

Officials say the driver will not be criminally charged and will be issued the "appropriate citations."'


not only Florida
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/01...d-in-brooklyn/

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...un/4627225002/

And sadly your 'not charged' is roughly equivalent to the
usual outcome after plea-to-reduced or community service or
whatever.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



Frank Krygowski[_4_] February 1st 20 03:15 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing with acar?
 
On 1/31/2020 9:23 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 31 January 2020 21:18:43 UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers


Oops! Forgot to include this from the article:

"Authorities say an investigation concluded a driver ran the red light at a pedestrian cross walk in the 1000 block of West Tennessee and struck Nickchen, who was in the crosswalk.

Officials say the driver will not be criminally charged and will be issued the "appropriate citations."'


Yes, we have laws that certainly need changing.

I suspect this is the problem: Politicians are motorists, and are
elected by motorists. Any politician who tries to crack down too hard on
motorists may be out of a job after the next election.

Sorry, I don't have a solution.

--
- Frank Krygowski

jOHN b. February 1st 20 03:20 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing with a car?
 
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:18:41 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers


I think that you may be getting into the area of what the state law
defines as a criminal act. Remember O.J. Simpson? Not convicted of any
criminal charge but was convicted of wrongful death.
--
cheers,

John B.


jOHN b. February 1st 20 03:33 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing with a car?
 
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:04:40 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/31/2020 8:23 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 31 January 2020 21:18:43 UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers


Oops! Forgot to include this from the article:

"Authorities say an investigation concluded a driver ran the red light at a pedestrian cross walk in the 1000 block of West Tennessee and struck Nickchen, who was in the crosswalk.

Officials say the driver will not be criminally charged and will be issued the "appropriate citations."'


not only Florida
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/01...d-in-brooklyn/

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...un/4627225002/

And sadly your 'not charged' is roughly equivalent to the
usual outcome after plea-to-reduced or community service or
whatever.


In your first reference the news clip says that the crash is being
investigated.

In your second reference the article states that the driver was
charged with the crime of hit and run causing a death and is on bail
awaiting trial.

No mention, yet, of not being charged.
--
cheers,

John B.


AMuzi February 1st 20 03:38 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing witha car?
 
On 1/31/2020 9:20 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:18:41 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers


I think that you may be getting into the area of what the state law
defines as a criminal act. Remember O.J. Simpson? Not convicted of any
criminal charge but was convicted of wrongful death.
--
cheers,

John B.


nope.
He lost a suit in civil court where the standard for a
decision is radically different.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



AMuzi February 1st 20 03:42 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing witha car?
 
On 1/31/2020 9:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:04:40 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/31/2020 8:23 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 31 January 2020 21:18:43 UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers

Oops! Forgot to include this from the article:

"Authorities say an investigation concluded a driver ran the red light at a pedestrian cross walk in the 1000 block of West Tennessee and struck Nickchen, who was in the crosswalk.

Officials say the driver will not be criminally charged and will be issued the "appropriate citations."'


not only Florida
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/01...d-in-brooklyn/

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...un/4627225002/

And sadly your 'not charged' is roughly equivalent to the
usual outcome after plea-to-reduced or community service or
whatever.


In your first reference the news clip says that the crash is being
investigated.

In your second reference the article states that the driver was
charged with the crime of hit and run causing a death and is on bail
awaiting trial.

No mention, yet, of not being charged.
--
cheers,

John B.


??
Sir's quote (FL) includes his main point 'not charged'

My links (this morning and last weekend) will most probably,
as I suggested above, have roughly the same result to the
driver- greatly reduced charges or some negligible fine/service.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



jOHN b. February 1st 20 03:56 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing with a car?
 
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:15:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/31/2020 9:23 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 31 January 2020 21:18:43 UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers


Oops! Forgot to include this from the article:

"Authorities say an investigation concluded a driver ran the red light at a pedestrian cross walk in the 1000 block of West Tennessee and struck Nickchen, who was in the crosswalk.

Officials say the driver will not be criminally charged and will be issued the "appropriate citations."'


Yes, we have laws that certainly need changing.

I suspect this is the problem: Politicians are motorists, and are
elected by motorists. Any politician who tries to crack down too hard on
motorists may be out of a job after the next election.

Sorry, I don't have a solution.


But they used to enforce laws in the U.S. I remember all sorts of
"accidents" where the culprit was punished. But in modern times
permissiveness seems to be the fashion.
--
cheers,

John B.


Andre Jute[_2_] February 1st 20 04:56 AM

What's it take 2B Criminaly Charged in Forida 4 Killing with a car?
 
On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 3:38:39 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/31/2020 9:20 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:18:41 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

Geeze, I'm glad I don't live in Florida! It seems as though bicyclists and/or pedestrians are fair game down there if they're killed by a motor vehicle. Here's yet another case where criminal charges will NOT be laid against the drive of a vehicle that killed someone. This even though the driver drove his car through a red light.

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Ped...567422241.html

Cheers


I think that you may be getting into the area of what the state law
defines as a criminal act. Remember O.J. Simpson? Not convicted of any
criminal charge but was convicted of wrongful death.
--
cheers,

John B.


nope.
He lost a suit in civil court where the standard for a
decision is radically different.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


The thriller writer Len Deighton called LA the "Insane Ward". The trials of OJ are the perfect capsule demonstration of the truth of his observation.

Andre Jute
The only workable prescription is electro-shock treatment




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