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The case for cycle lanes
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The case for cycle lanes
On 26/04/18 02:43, Simon Jester wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNNIB_PdaA Maybe there is a case for well-designed bike lanes which actually lead somewhere and connect to things but in practice this will happen very slowly. I am not sure how he rides bikes, but sure there are many inconsiderate bicyclists. Just like there are many inconsiderate [insert flavour of the month here]. In general I find roads and motorised traffic not much of a problem. But then I do crazy things like being visible and predictable, signalling intentions, stopping for red lights and pedestrians, giving way when required, riding with the traffic and not against it, and other such stupid things. Then drivers also do stupid things like give way to me, give me room, give me a cheery wave (no doubt like they are humouring a lunatic) and so forth. |
The case for cycle lanes
On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
On 26/04/18 02:43, Simon Jester wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNNIB_PdaA Maybe there is a case for well-designed bike lanes which actually lead somewhere and connect to things but in practice this will happen very slowly. I am not sure how he rides bikes, but sure there are many inconsiderate bicyclists. Just like there are many inconsiderate [insert flavour of the month here]. In general I find roads and motorised traffic not much of a problem. But then I do crazy things like being visible and predictable, signalling intentions, stopping for red lights and pedestrians, giving way when required, riding with the traffic and not against it, and other such stupid things. Then drivers also do stupid things like give way to me, give me room, give me a cheery wave (no doubt like they are humouring a lunatic) and so forth. Not all cyclists are as confident as you and I. I have been a cycle commuter for 30 years and have no problem allowing motorists to share our roads but I would still rather have segregated cycle ways. |
The case for cycle lanes
On 27/04/18 05:31, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: On 26/04/18 02:43, Simon Jester wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNNIB_PdaA Maybe there is a case for well-designed bike lanes which actually lead somewhere and connect to things but in practice this will happen very slowly. I am not sure how he rides bikes, but sure there are many inconsiderate bicyclists. Just like there are many inconsiderate [insert flavour of the month here]. In general I find roads and motorised traffic not much of a problem. But then I do crazy things like being visible and predictable, signalling intentions, stopping for red lights and pedestrians, giving way when required, riding with the traffic and not against it, and other such stupid things. Then drivers also do stupid things like give way to me, give me room, give me a cheery wave (no doubt like they are humouring a lunatic) and so forth. Not all cyclists are as confident as you and I. I have been a cycle commuter for 30 years and have no problem allowing motorists to share our roads but I would still rather have segregated cycle ways. Fair enough. I am just pointing out that it will not happen overnight. |
The case for cycle lanes
On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:40:59 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
On 27/04/18 05:31, Simon Jester wrote: On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: On 26/04/18 02:43, Simon Jester wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNNIB_PdaA Maybe there is a case for well-designed bike lanes which actually lead somewhere and connect to things but in practice this will happen very slowly. I am not sure how he rides bikes, but sure there are many inconsiderate bicyclists. Just like there are many inconsiderate [insert flavour of the month here]. In general I find roads and motorised traffic not much of a problem. But then I do crazy things like being visible and predictable, signalling intentions, stopping for red lights and pedestrians, giving way when required, riding with the traffic and not against it, and other such stupid things. Then drivers also do stupid things like give way to me, give me room, give me a cheery wave (no doubt like they are humouring a lunatic) and so forth. Not all cyclists are as confident as you and I. I have been a cycle commuter for 30 years and have no problem allowing motorists to share our roads but I would still rather have segregated cycle ways. Fair enough. I am just pointing out that it will not happen overnight. It's all about attitude. Why does this work in Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRoG2HrYx8k But we are told it would be suicide for UK cyclists. |
The case for cycle lanes
On 28/04/18 11:38, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:40:59 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: On 27/04/18 05:31, Simon Jester wrote: On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: On 26/04/18 02:43, Simon Jester wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNNIB_PdaA Maybe there is a case for well-designed bike lanes which actually lead somewhere and connect to things but in practice this will happen very slowly. I am not sure how he rides bikes, but sure there are many inconsiderate bicyclists. Just like there are many inconsiderate [insert flavour of the month here]. In general I find roads and motorised traffic not much of a problem. But then I do crazy things like being visible and predictable, signalling intentions, stopping for red lights and pedestrians, giving way when required, riding with the traffic and not against it, and other such stupid things. Then drivers also do stupid things like give way to me, give me room, give me a cheery wave (no doubt like they are humouring a lunatic) and so forth. Not all cyclists are as confident as you and I. I have been a cycle commuter for 30 years and have no problem allowing motorists to share our roads but I would still rather have segregated cycle ways. Fair enough. I am just pointing out that it will not happen overnight. It's all about attitude. Why does this work in Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRoG2HrYx8k But we are told it would be suicide for UK cyclists. Ahh yes that brings back memories ... In Germany something like 12 percent of urban travel is made by bicycle. In the UK I believe it is less than 2 percent. Safety in numbers? German respect for law and order? It certainly was very pleasant and practical using a bicycle in Germany. |
The case for cycle lanes
On 28/04/18 00:38, Simon Jester wrote:
Why does this work in Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRoG2HrYx8k But we are told it would be suicide for UK cyclists. There is a culture in the rest of Europe and USA completely missing in Britain. To give way when turning. British authorities don't help to do anything to change this when they have been setting vehicle/pedestrian phases on traffic lights incorrectly and painting give way lines on residential roads in the wrong place for several decades. Also, in other places, if a collision between motor and cycle takes place in a cycle lane, the driver is bound to be at fault. Here the only point of a cycle lane is to allow a bureaucrat to go home with a warm fuzzy feeling after ticking a "sustainable transport" box. |
The case for cycle lanes
On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 10:13:58 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/04/18 00:38, Simon Jester wrote: Why does this work in Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRoG2HrYx8k But we are told it would be suicide for UK cyclists. There is a culture in the rest of Europe and USA completely missing in Britain. To give way when turning. British authorities don't help to do anything to change this when they have been setting vehicle/pedestrian phases on traffic lights incorrectly and painting give way lines on residential roads in the wrong place for several decades. Also, in other places, if a collision between motor and cycle takes place in a cycle lane, the driver is bound to be at fault. Here the only point of a cycle lane is to allow a bureaucrat to go home with a warm fuzzy feeling after ticking a "sustainable transport" box. Watching that video again it is all about mutual respect rather than them and us. They were all road users, the mode of transport did not matter. Notice at 1:27 where the cyclist waves at the motorist to say go ahead even though we have priority. We need to change social attitudes towards cycling in this country. Lycra Warriors and Mr Pounders not not help. |
The case for cycle lanes
On 28/04/2018 00:38, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:40:59 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: On 27/04/18 05:31, Simon Jester wrote: On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: On 26/04/18 02:43, Simon Jester wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNNIB_PdaA Maybe there is a case for well-designed bike lanes which actually lead somewhere and connect to things but in practice this will happen very slowly. I am not sure how he rides bikes, but sure there are many inconsiderate bicyclists. Just like there are many inconsiderate [insert flavour of the month here]. In general I find roads and motorised traffic not much of a problem. But then I do crazy things like being visible and predictable, signalling intentions, stopping for red lights and pedestrians, giving way when required, riding with the traffic and not against it, and other such stupid things. Then drivers also do stupid things like give way to me, give me room, give me a cheery wave (no doubt like they are humouring a lunatic) and so forth. Not all cyclists are as confident as you and I. I have been a cycle commuter for 30 years and have no problem allowing motorists to share our roads but I would still rather have segregated cycle ways. 40 years and I would *much* rather proper cycle lanes. And by proper I don't mean paint lines on existing roads. Fair enough. I am just pointing out that it will not happen overnight. It's all about attitude. Why does this work in Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRoG2HrYx8k It works because it was designed in, when the roundabout was built or the junction was completely overhauled. But we are told it would be suicide for UK cyclists. Because we would try to bolt a solution on to an existing car-oriented road. In Sheffield we're having every inch of road dug up and resurfaced. To the best of my knowledge there won't be any change in provision for cyclists. Or EVs, or indeed road flow-deign for that matter. In a city that's gridlocked every rush hour. -- Cheers, Rob |
The case for cycle lanes
On 28/04/2018 00:38, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 11:40:59 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: On 27/04/18 05:31, Simon Jester wrote: On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: On 26/04/18 02:43, Simon Jester wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNNIB_PdaA Maybe there is a case for well-designed bike lanes which actually lead somewhere and connect to things but in practice this will happen very slowly. I am not sure how he rides bikes, but sure there are many inconsiderate bicyclists. Just like there are many inconsiderate [insert flavour of the month here]. In general I find roads and motorised traffic not much of a problem. But then I do crazy things like being visible and predictable, signalling intentions, stopping for red lights and pedestrians, giving way when required, riding with the traffic and not against it, and other such stupid things. Then drivers also do stupid things like give way to me, give me room, give me a cheery wave (no doubt like they are humouring a lunatic) and so forth. Not all cyclists are as confident as you and I. I have been a cycle commuter for 30 years and have no problem allowing motorists to share our roads but I would still rather have segregated cycle ways. Fair enough. I am just pointing out that it will not happen overnight. It's all about attitude. Why does this work in Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRoG2HrYx8k But we are told it would be suicide for UK cyclists. Who said it works? "Working" is a concept which includes the outcomes for all users. |
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