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child trailer
Burley seems to be the main internationally available trailer
manufacturer getting mentioned. There seems to be very little mention of "Chariot carriers" child trailers (the CTS range) and nothing about the zwei-plus-zwei offering (Kiddy Van in particular). These are the main ones my local cycle shop offers on order. Is anyone out there using these who could comment on their quality/value ? Of particular interest is speed of folding/unfolding, as we will need to do this every time we use the trailer (it will sleep in the narrow hallway with the bike!) Cheers, Matt |
We have a burley solo ourselves, but the reviews on epinions (www.epinions.com) are excellent for the CTS. I recommend you read them for yourself. I personally think the burley is kind of a pain to fold/unfold. Fortunately, we only have to do it when putting it in the car. But the kid is pretty happy in the trailer. He naps, he snacks, he watches the scenery. We've gone on pretty long rides with him (35+ miles), but make sure we stop frequently. We've seen every playground in town.... The only issue is his helmet. It slides down over his eyes, which then makes him cranky. I think the helmet is pointless in the trailer, but my wife insists on it. Rich Matt wrote: Burley seems to be the main internationally available trailer manufacturer getting mentioned. There seems to be very little mention of "Chariot carriers" child trailers (the CTS range) and nothing about the zwei-plus-zwei offering (Kiddy Van in particular). These are the main ones my local cycle shop offers on order. Is anyone out there using these who could comment on their quality/value ? Of particular interest is speed of folding/unfolding, as we will need to do this every time we use the trailer (it will sleep in the narrow hallway with the bike!) Cheers, Matt |
I dunno about the other ones, I've been using a burley d'lite for our
two kids for several years now. it folds rapidly and has held up very well. I also have come to the conclusion that helmets INSIDE the Burley are not a great idea... seems to push the kids heads forward uncomfortably off the seatback, etc. Kids helmets are great for protecting against falling off and smacking on the ground or curb, but seem pointless inside a trailer. We ALWAYS wear them when riding our "big bikes" though. |
botfood wrote:
I also have come to the conclusion that helmets INSIDE the Burley are not a great idea... seems to push the kids heads forward uncomfortably off the seatback, etc. Yea. I cut the back of my kids helmet off using a bandsaw just so it wouldn't do that. It's now only about 1" thick in the back. He's only two, so he doesn't ride on a bike. Rich |
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:01:18 -0700, Rich wrote:
Yea. I cut the back of my kids helmet off using a bandsaw just so it wouldn't do that. Great mental image. "Hold still for daddy, I've got to take off just a little more" ROFL :D Or did you take it off first? :/ |
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:01:18 -0700, Rich
wrote in message : I also have come to the conclusion that helmets INSIDE the Burley are not a great idea... seems to push the kids heads forward uncomfortably off the seatback, etc. Yea. I cut the back of my kids helmet off using a bandsaw just so it wouldn't do that. It's now only about 1" thick in the back. He's only two, so he doesn't ride on a bike. Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable two-wheel trailer in the first place? Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound |
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:59:21 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable two-wheel trailer in the first place? Simple. If you want your kid to wear a helmet when s/he rides a bike, you start getting the kid used to wearing a helmet when s/he rides the trailer. And, of course, you model such behavior by wearing one yourself while you're towing the trailer. I know what your answer will be. I'm not trying to influence YOU to wear a helmet, but you will proselytize me to repent and cast away my helmet. |
"Zippy the Pinhead" wrote
Simple. If you want your kid to wear a helmet when s/he rides a bike, you start getting the kid used to wearing a helmet when s/he rides the trailer. And, of course, you model such behavior by wearing one yourself while you're towing the trailer. I never had the slightest problem with my kids. As a matter of fact, I have a cherished snapshot of my (then) 2 year old (now 11) daughter sleeping in her new helmet -- she wouldn't take it off. |
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:01:18 -0700, Rich wrote in message : I also have come to the conclusion that helmets INSIDE the Burley are not a great idea... seems to push the kids heads forward uncomfortably off the seatback, etc. Yea. I cut the back of my kids helmet off using a bandsaw just so it wouldn't do that. It's now only about 1" thick in the back. He's only two, so he doesn't ride on a bike. Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable two-wheel trailer in the first place? For the same reason one should wear a helmet while travelling in a motor vehicle. ;) -- Tom Sherman |
begin quoting Zippy the Pinhead :
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:59:21 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote: Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable two-wheel trailer in the first place? I know what your answer will be. I'm not trying to influence YOU to wear a helmet, but you will proselytize me to repent and cast away my helmet. That seems most unlikely, since Guy wears one himself. -- David Damerell Distortion Field! |
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable two-wheel trailer in the first place? Guy -- On our first outing with both kids in the trailer (sans helmets), they bonked their heads together on the first piece of "rough" terrain. Since then, helmets have been required. Even with just one child, I can imagine a head bonking a roll-bar if we were to have a rollover. The probabilities of it happening are low, but a little extra protection can't hurt. Even with the helmets, the kids still love to ride in the trailer. My daughter is usually chanting, "Faster, Daddy, Faster!" And you thought only the extra weight made for a better workout.... -Buck |
Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a
result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you privately, but the mail bounced. Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who are losing out. -- Warm Regards, Claire Petersky please substitute yahoo for mousepotato to reply Home of the meditative cyclist: http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/ See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky |
Claire Petersky wrote:
Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you privately, but the mail bounced. Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who are losing out. I had assumed he has a virus or worm, as this seemed to start rather suddenly. Bill "can you even INJECT penicillin in a mouse?" S. |
quoting Bill Sornson :
Claire Petersky wrote: Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. No, they're not. OE wrongly supposes that they are attachments. As a result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you privately, but the mail bounced. It's only been deferred with a 4xx response here. Unfortunate that that is not reported correctly back to you; but it should arrive in due course. Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same. The vast majority of OE users post mangled articles and don't care about changing that. Recently this ****ed me off enough that I am returning the compliment; the difference being that my articles are correctly formed but their crappy newsreader can't deal with it. It's unfortunate for the small minority who do make the effort, but they _are_ a small minority. I had assumed he has a virus or worm, as this seemed to start rather suddenly. Don't be absurd. I don't use Windows for anything except games. It started suddenly because I decided to do it. -- David Damerell Distortion Field! |
Claire Petersky composed the following ...
Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you privately, but the mail bounced. Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who are losing out. He's just exploiting a difference in the way OE reads articles, in a sort of "I'm better than you 'cos I don't use OE" way. If one starts a message with the word begin and two spaces, OE 'sees' it as an attachment. Many people do this on Usenet to 'pretend' that they have a virus, again in a holier than thou attitude that makes them look really cool, hip and trendy in a stupid sort of way. -- The Caretaker. |
David Damerell wrote:
quoting Bill Sornson : I had assumed he has a virus or worm, as this seemed to start rather suddenly. Don't be absurd. I don't use Windows for anything except games. It started suddenly because I decided to do it. Well pardon me, Mister Rude. You obviously DO have a bug -- just up your ass instead of in your computer. Keep posting that way. No great loss. -- "Sorry the world just does not work by your white penis ass." -- Pungent Cloud |
The Caretaker ... wrote:
Claire Petersky composed the following ... Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you privately, but the mail bounced. Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who are losing out. He's just exploiting a difference in the way OE reads articles, in a sort of "I'm better than you 'cos I don't use OE" way. If one starts a message with the word begin and two spaces, OE 'sees' it as an attachment. Many people do this on Usenet to 'pretend' that they have a virus, again in a holier than thou attitude that makes them look really cool, hip and trendy in a stupid sort of way. He succeeded. -- BS (no, really) |
"Claire Petersky" writes:
Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you privately, but the mail bounced. Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who are losing out. David's messages work just fine here under Emacs/Gnus and under MT-NewsWatcher- so do yours, for that matter. The problem isn't his messages, I suspect, but something about OE. Since, as you note, OE is a commonly used application and we have not had any complaints like yours previously in this newsgroup, I can only suppose that the problem lies with your particular installation of OE. Perhaps there is some useful setting in OE that can be changed to make your newsreading experience easier? I've never used OE so I have no specific idea what setting might be changed, unfortunately (actually, I've never used Windows for more than a few minutes). |
David Damerell writes:
quoting Bill Sornson : Claire Petersky wrote: Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. No, they're not. OE wrongly supposes that they are attachments. snip The vast majority of OE users post mangled articles and don't care about changing that. Recently this ****ed me off enough that I am returning the compliment; the difference being that my articles are correctly formed but their crappy newsreader can't deal with it. It's unfortunate for the small minority who do make the effort, but they _are_ a small minority. I had assumed he has a virus or worm, as this seemed to start rather suddenly. Don't be absurd. I don't use Windows for anything except games. It started suddenly because I decided to do it. Well, then, Claire, I stand corrected! David, I am curious about what it is that you did, since it is transparent to my newsreaders. |
Tim Writes......
Since, as you note, OE is a commonly used application and we have not had any complaints likeours previously in this newsgroup, I can only suppose that the problem lies with your particular installation of OE. Perhaps there is some useful setting in OE that can be changed to make your newsreading experience easier? As Maggie says.....HUH????? |
Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:26:14 -0600, ,
Tim McNamara wrote: I've never used OE so I have no specific idea what setting might be changed, unfortunately (actually, I've never used Windows for more than a few minutes). I'm a pleb who has never used anything but Windows. Though, I've not permitted any Microsoft application web access since ~1996. I settled on Forte Agent for Usenet when it was still in beta as it automated downloading, concatenating and decoding multi-part binaries better than anything else for Windows. -- zk |
David
I'm not writing this to argue or contradict you. Computers & the internet baffle me. What newsreader (& sender. I desperately need one w/ a good spell check) should I be using? I certainly don't like Google, but I'm familiar w/ it. I would prefer to not pay for one not so much because of the $, rather I just don=92t want to be bothered paying another bill every month. Happy Holidays, John |
wrote:
David I'm not writing this to argue or contradict you. Computers & the internet baffle me. What newsreader (& sender. I desperately need one w/ a good spell check) should I be using? I certainly don't like Google, but I'm familiar w/ it. I would prefer to not pay for one not so much because of the $, rather I just don�t want to be bothered paying another bill every month. Happy Holidays, John Have you tried thunderbird? www.mozilla.org (free, available virtually for any platform) I like it a lot, could be worth a try. I never used the spell checker, so I cannot judge on that. Francesco |
Zoot Katz writes:
Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:26:14 -0600, , Tim McNamara wrote: I've never used OE so I have no specific idea what setting might be changed, unfortunately (actually, I've never used Windows for more than a few minutes). I'm a pleb who has never used anything but Windows. Though, I've not permitted any Microsoft application web access since ~1996. I settled on Forte Agent for Usenet when it was still in beta as it automated downloading, concatenating and decoding multi-part binaries better than anything else for Windows. I've of course never used Forte Agent, never having used Windows more than momentarily. I have seen several people speak very highly of it, however. |
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:46:39 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote: Zoot Katz writes: I settled on Forte Agent for Usenet when it was still in beta as it automated downloading, concatenating and decoding multi-part binaries better than anything else for Windows. I've of course never used Forte Agent, never having used Windows more than momentarily. I have seen several people speak very highly of it, however. Works fine under Wine. Pat Email address works as is. |
begin quoting Tim McNamara :
Well, then, Claire, I stand corrected! David, I am curious about what it is that you did, since it is transparent to my newsreaders. OE interprets any line beginning; beginspacespace as starting an attachment, because that's how uuencoded attachments start. This is symptomatic of the more general problem that MSIE (which is hopelessly intertwined with MSOE) tries to infer the type of a document from the contents, not from the headers (eg, the Content-Type: header of an HTTP response) and an absurdly wide idea of what might be uuencoded. It doesn't affect any other newsreader since no-one else has been daft enough to implement such a misfeature; and as you will appreciate it's unequivocally true that there is nothing wrong with my articles per se. -- David Damerell flcl? |
David Damerell wrote (and I had to use someone else's thoughtfully-provided
trick to unearth): OE interprets any line beginning; beginspacespace as starting an attachment, because that's how uuencoded attachments start. This is symptomatic of the more general problem that MSIE (which is hopelessly intertwined with MSOE) tries to infer the type of a document from the contents, not from the headers (eg, the Content-Type: header of an HTTP response) and an absurdly wide idea of what might be uuencoded. It doesn't affect any other newsreader since no-one else has been daft enough to implement such a misfeature; and as you will appreciate it's unequivocally true that there is nothing wrong with my articles per se. Neil Brooks Replies: So, David . . . I take it that you /are/ either intentionally inserting the "beginspacespace" text into your posts, or at least are doing /nothing/ to remove them once programmatically inserted by your newsreader software? |
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:26:18 GMT, "Claire Petersky"
wrote: Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you privately, but the mail bounced. Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who are losing out. Having just read a number of responses to this article, let me gently suggest that using OE is not a good idea for a number of reasons, not least of which is potential virus vulnerability. Has anyone else noticed that over the past couple of years the most damaging viruses have exploited security deficiencies in MS products? For this reason (and a bit of anti-MS prejudice) I use Pegasus Mail (email), Firefox (browser), and Agent (newsreader); even though I run Windows XP. jeverett3ATearthlinkDOTnet http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3 |
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:18:41 -0600, Zippy the Pinhead
wrote in message : Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable two-wheel trailer in the first place? Simple. If you want your kid to wear a helmet when s/he rides a bike, you start getting the kid used to wearing a helmet when s/he rides the trailer. And, of course, you model such behavior by wearing one yourself while you're towing the trailer. And in the car, of course, since that's where the majority of serious head injuries occur. I know what your answer will be. I'm not trying to influence YOU to wear a helmet, but you will proselytize me to repent and cast away my helmet. An argument which is flawed at its outset. Click the link in the ..sig. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound |
wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:01:18 -0700, Rich wrote: Yea. I cut the back of my kids helmet off using a bandsaw just so it wouldn't do that. Great mental image. "Hold still for daddy, I've got to take off just a little more" ROFL :D Or did you take it off first? :/ He said *band saw* so of course he removed the helmet first. Everybody knows that if the child is still wearing the helmet you use a *chain saw*. Geez! Regards, Bob Hunt |
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