Telluride testing update
 

The company testing the entire population of Telluride, CO for COVID-19
antibodies has reported some more definite preliminary results. Of nearly
1,000 people tested, 8 were found to have antibodies, and 23 had
intermediate or borderline results. This does not seem to agree with Tom’s
theory that most people have already had the disease.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tellu...e-uncertainty/

Telluride testing update
 

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 6:38:04 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
The company testing the entire population of Telluride, CO for COVID-19
antibodies has reported some more definite preliminary results. Of nearly
1,000 people tested, 8 were found to have antibodies, and 23 had
intermediate or borderline results. This does not seem to agree with Tom’s
theory that most people have already had the disease.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tellu...e-uncertainty/

Firstly Telluride is the last place you would expect the virus - away from real population centers, in very clean air without pollution causing previous lung damage and with a younger population that are active and hence having a low incidence of coronary heart disease. How would the virus be introduced in the first place? It isn't like Silicon Valley with 10% of the workers native Chinese.

Plus there is this: "So far, they have tested about 12 percent of the county’s 8,200 residents. The state has reported results for about three-tenths of one percent of Colorado’s total number of residents."

Telluride testing update
 

Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 6:38:04 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
The company testing the entire population of Telluride, CO for COVID-19
antibodies has reported some more definite preliminary results. Of nearly
1,000 people tested, 8 were found to have antibodies, and 23 had
intermediate or borderline results. This does not seem to agree with Tom’s
theory that most people have already had the disease.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tellu...e-uncertainty/

Firstly Telluride is the last place you would expect the virus - away
from real population centers, in very clean air without pollution causing
previous lung damage and with a younger population that are active and
hence having a low incidence of coronary heart disease. How would the
virus be introduced in the first place? It isn't like Silicon Valley with
10% of the workers native Chinese.

Plus there is this: "So far, they have tested about 12 percent of the
county’s 8,200 residents. The state has reported results for about
three-tenths of one percent of Colorado’s total number of residents."


Certainly. New York or Seattle would be much better places to test today,
but that’s not what’s happening, so you have to take the data you have and
run with it.

However, I thought that your hypothesis was that this disease was at least
as infectious as others claim, but that the vast majority get it and don’t
even know it, and therefore we’re already at the peak of the pandemic as
opposed to going up the steep edge. This data does not support that
hypothesis. Also Telluride has a relatively highly rated ski resort, and
since some of the initial spread of the virus may have occurred at ski
resorts, the town could have had substantial exposure even though it’s away
from population centres.

I remain of the opinion that there’s still a lot more **** which hasn’t hit
the fan yet.

Telluride testing update
 

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 6:38:04 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
The company testing the entire population of Telluride, CO for COVID-19
antibodies has reported some more definite preliminary results. Of nearly
1,000 people tested, 8 were found to have antibodies, and 23 had
intermediate or borderline results. This does not seem to agree with Tom’s
theory that most people have already had the disease.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tellu...e-uncertainty/

Firstly Telluride is the last place you would expect the virus - away
from real population centers, in very clean air without pollution causing
previous lung damage and with a younger population that are active and
hence having a low incidence of coronary heart disease. How would the
virus be introduced in the first place? It isn't like Silicon Valley with
10% of the workers native Chinese.

Plus there is this: "So far, they have tested about 12 percent of the
county’s 8,200 residents. The state has reported results for about
three-tenths of one percent of Colorado’s total number of residents."


Certainly. New York or Seattle would be much better places to test today,
but that’s not what’s happening, so you have to take the data you have and
run with it.

However, I thought that your hypothesis was that this disease was at least
as infectious as others claim, but that the vast majority get it and don’t
even know it, and therefore we’re already at the peak of the pandemic as
opposed to going up the steep edge. This data does not support that
hypothesis. Also Telluride has a relatively highly rated ski resort, and
since some of the initial spread of the virus may have occurred at ski
resorts, the town could have had substantial exposure even though it’s away
from population centres.

I remain of the opinion that there’s still a lot more **** which hasn’t hit
the fan yet.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But with Fauci already having predicted that we would get from 100,000-240,000 deaths and we're all the way up to 8,000 either we are going to have people that have never even been to a town getting it or we will have to invent more population centers.

We have a population of 50 million senior citizens and only 3 - 4% of those are in sad enough condition to died from this disease. (That's = 1,500,000) We have to pretend that either it is a 3% mortality rate of "confirmed cases" or that the mortality rate is a great deal less. More on the order of 1/2% 250,000 to have numbers like Fauci is tossing about.

But EVEN considering that, those low numbers of fatalities STILL don't add up. In this period of time supposedly China passed WELL over the peak and started down. Outbreaks in other areas of China did not spread in the same manner. Wuhan is also the most polluted air in all of China. Northeastern Italy is the most polluted area in all of Europe and NYC is the most polluted area on the East Coast. Is there a connection? The bay area despite having a population about 90% of NYC is having neither the rapid growth nor the fatalities as NYC. It isn't as if the air here isn't clean, but neither can you call most of it badly polluted. On the West Coast with a larger population than the East Coast cities combined, and with the spot where all of the Chinese who visited Wuhan land, we are having 10% of the fatalities and the GROWTH of the disease is not fast.

Fauci's predictions haven't even gotten close to what he thought. Well, he is an infectious disease expert and he has to try to predict the worst case scenarios so I cannot fault him for that. What I CAN fault is the Chicken Little Syndrome of the DNC and their propaganda arm, the Lame Stream Media. This is not driven by their own fear but their attempt to use a rather unimportant new virus as a political hammer.

Telluride testing update
 

On 4/4/2020 2:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 6:38:04 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
The company testing the entire population of Telluride, CO for COVID-19
antibodies has reported some more definite preliminary results. Of nearly
1,000 people tested, 8 were found to have antibodies, and 23 had
intermediate or borderline results. This does not seem to agree with Tom’s
theory that most people have already had the disease.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tellu...e-uncertainty/

Firstly Telluride is the last place you would expect the virus - away
from real population centers, in very clean air without pollution causing
previous lung damage and with a younger population that are active and
hence having a low incidence of coronary heart disease. How would the
virus be introduced in the first place? It isn't like Silicon Valley with
10% of the workers native Chinese.

Plus there is this: "So far, they have tested about 12 percent of the
county’s 8,200 residents. The state has reported results for about
three-tenths of one percent of Colorado’s total number of residents."


Certainly. New York or Seattle would be much better places to test today,
but that’s not what’s happening, so you have to take the data you have and
run with it.

However, I thought that your hypothesis was that this disease was at least
as infectious as others claim, but that the vast majority get it and don’t
even know it, and therefore we’re already at the peak of the pandemic as
opposed to going up the steep edge. This data does not support that
hypothesis. Also Telluride has a relatively highly rated ski resort, and
since some of the initial spread of the virus may have occurred at ski
resorts, the town could have had substantial exposure even though it’s away
from population centres.

I remain of the opinion that there’s still a lot more **** which hasn’t hit
the fan yet.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But with Fauci already having predicted that we would get from 100,000-240,000 deaths and we're all the way up to 8,000 either we are going to have people that have never even been to a town getting it or we will have to invent more population centers.

We have a population of 50 million senior citizens and only 3 - 4% of those are in sad enough condition to died from this disease. (That's = 1,500,000) We have to pretend that either it is a 3% mortality rate of "confirmed cases" or that the mortality rate is a great deal less. More on the order of 1/2% 250,000 to have numbers like Fauci is tossing about.

But EVEN considering that, those low numbers of fatalities STILL don't add up. In this period of time supposedly China passed WELL over the peak and started down. Outbreaks in other areas of China did not spread in the same manner. Wuhan is also the most polluted air in all of China. Northeastern Italy is the most polluted area in all of Europe and NYC is the most polluted area on the East Coast. Is there a connection? The bay area despite having a population about 90% of NYC is having neither the rapid growth nor the fatalities as NYC. It isn't as if the air here isn't clean, but neither can you call most of it badly polluted. On the West Coast with a larger population than the East Coast cities combined, and with the spot where all of the Chinese who visited Wuhan land, we are having 10% of the fatalities and the GROWTH of the disease is not fast.

Fauci's predictions haven't even gotten close to what he thought. Well, he is an infectious disease expert and he has to try to predict the worst case scenarios so I cannot fault him for that. What I CAN fault is the Chicken Little Syndrome of the DNC and their propaganda arm, the Lame Stream Media. This is not driven by their own fear but their attempt to use a rather unimportant new virus as a political hammer.

So Tom, please give us your explicit predictions. Tell us where you
think we'll be by, say, June 1.

Give us your estimate of the number of proven cases, the number of
deaths, the number who were (or are) in critical condition, the number
totally recovered, the number recovered but with some long term
disability, etc.

Give us some numbers that we can check for accuracy later, since you
claim such excellent understanding of the virus.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Telluride testing update
 

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 1:48:28 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/4/2020 2:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 6:38:04 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
The company testing the entire population of Telluride, CO for COVID-19
antibodies has reported some more definite preliminary results. Of nearly
1,000 people tested, 8 were found to have antibodies, and 23 had
intermediate or borderline results. This does not seem to agree with Tom’s
theory that most people have already had the disease.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tellu...e-uncertainty/

Firstly Telluride is the last place you would expect the virus - away
from real population centers, in very clean air without pollution causing
previous lung damage and with a younger population that are active and
hence having a low incidence of coronary heart disease. How would the
virus be introduced in the first place? It isn't like Silicon Valley with
10% of the workers native Chinese.

Plus there is this: "So far, they have tested about 12 percent of the
county’s 8,200 residents. The state has reported results for about
three-tenths of one percent of Colorado’s total number of residents."


Certainly. New York or Seattle would be much better places to test today,
but that’s not what’s happening, so you have to take the data you have and
run with it.

However, I thought that your hypothesis was that this disease was at least
as infectious as others claim, but that the vast majority get it and don’t
even know it, and therefore we’re already at the peak of the pandemic as
opposed to going up the steep edge. This data does not support that
hypothesis. Also Telluride has a relatively highly rated ski resort, and
since some of the initial spread of the virus may have occurred at ski
resorts, the town could have had substantial exposure even though it’s away
from population centres.

I remain of the opinion that there’s still a lot more **** which hasn’t hit
the fan yet.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But with Fauci already having predicted that we would get from 100,000-240,000 deaths and we're all the way up to 8,000 either we are going to have people that have never even been to a town getting it or we will have to invent more population centers.

We have a population of 50 million senior citizens and only 3 - 4% of those are in sad enough condition to died from this disease. (That's = 1,500,000) We have to pretend that either it is a 3% mortality rate of "confirmed cases" or that the mortality rate is a great deal less. More on the order of 1/2% 250,000 to have numbers like Fauci is tossing about.

But EVEN considering that, those low numbers of fatalities STILL don't add up. In this period of time supposedly China passed WELL over the peak and started down. Outbreaks in other areas of China did not spread in the same manner. Wuhan is also the most polluted air in all of China. Northeastern Italy is the most polluted area in all of Europe and NYC is the most polluted area on the East Coast. Is there a connection? The bay area despite having a population about 90% of NYC is having neither the rapid growth nor the fatalities as NYC. It isn't as if the air here isn't clean, but neither can you call most of it badly polluted. On the West Coast with a larger population than the East Coast cities combined, and with the spot where all of the Chinese who visited Wuhan land, we are having 10% of the fatalities and the GROWTH of the disease is not fast.

Fauci's predictions haven't even gotten close to what he thought. Well, he is an infectious disease expert and he has to try to predict the worst case scenarios so I cannot fault him for that. What I CAN fault is the Chicken Little Syndrome of the DNC and their propaganda arm, the Lame Stream Media. This is not driven by their own fear but their attempt to use a rather unimportant new virus as a political hammer.

So Tom, please give us your explicit predictions. Tell us where you
think we'll be by, say, June 1.

Give us your estimate of the number of proven cases, the number of
deaths, the number who were (or are) in critical condition, the number
totally recovered, the number recovered but with some long term
disability, etc.

Give us some numbers that we can check for accuracy later, since you
claim such excellent understanding of the virus.

You told us you were a math teacher. But you don't seem to know the difference between statistics and prediction. Well, now that really surprises me a great deal. I can see why you were a failure as an engineer.

Telluride testing update
 

On 4/4/2020 6:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 1:48:28 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

So Tom, please give us your explicit predictions. Tell us where you
think we'll be by, say, June 1.

Give us your estimate of the number of proven cases, the number of
deaths, the number who were (or are) in critical condition, the number
totally recovered, the number recovered but with some long term
disability, etc.

Give us some numbers that we can check for accuracy later, since you
claim such excellent understanding of the virus.

You told us you were a math teacher.

No, I did not! Tom, stop relying on your memory!

But you don't seem to know the difference between statistics and prediction.

Oh come on. Your orange hero has made many predictions about this virus,
and most have proven very wrong. But he's far wiser than medical
professionals, right? And you're even wiser, aren't you? You certainly
spend plenty of time disparaging those experts.

Prove your wisdom. If they are wrong, tell us what's correct. What will
the COVID counts be on June 1?

Or admit it: You really don't know much. And you're afraid to be proven
wrong - yet again.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Telluride testing update
 

Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 6:38:04 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
The company testing the entire population of Telluride, CO for COVID-19
antibodies has reported some more definite preliminary results. Of nearly
1,000 people tested, 8 were found to have antibodies, and 23 had
intermediate or borderline results. This does not seem to agree with Tom’s
theory that most people have already had the disease.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tellu...e-uncertainty/

Firstly Telluride is the last place you would expect the virus - away
from real population centers, in very clean air without pollution causing
previous lung damage and with a younger population that are active and
hence having a low incidence of coronary heart disease. How would the
virus be introduced in the first place? It isn't like Silicon Valley with
10% of the workers native Chinese.

Plus there is this: "So far, they have tested about 12 percent of the
county’s 8,200 residents. The state has reported results for about
three-tenths of one percent of Colorado’s total number of residents."


Certainly. New York or Seattle would be much better places to test today,
but that’s not what’s happening, so you have to take the data you have and
run with it.

However, I thought that your hypothesis was that this disease was at least
as infectious as others claim, but that the vast majority get it and don’t
even know it, and therefore we’re already at the peak of the pandemic as
opposed to going up the steep edge. This data does not support that
hypothesis. Also Telluride has a relatively highly rated ski resort, and
since some of the initial spread of the virus may have occurred at ski
resorts, the town could have had substantial exposure even though it’s away
from population centres.

I remain of the opinion that there’s still a lot more **** which hasn’t hit
the fan yet.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But with Fauci already having
predicted that we would get from 100,000-240,000 deaths and we're all the
way up to 8,000 either we are going to have people that have never even
been to a town getting it or we will have to invent more population centers.

We have a population of 50 million senior citizens and only 3 - 4% of
those are in sad enough condition to died from this disease. (That's =
1,500,000) We have to pretend that either it is a 3% mortality rate of
"confirmed cases" or that the mortality rate is a great deal less. More
on the order of 1/2% 250,000 to have numbers like Fauci is tossing about.

But EVEN considering that, those low numbers of fatalities STILL don't
add up. In this period of time supposedly China passed WELL over the peak
and started down. Outbreaks in other areas of China did not spread in the
same manner. Wuhan is also the most polluted air in all of China.
Northeastern Italy is the most polluted area in all of Europe and NYC is
the most polluted area on the East Coast. Is there a connection? The bay
area despite having a population about 90% of NYC is having neither the
rapid growth nor the fatalities as NYC. It isn't as if the air here isn't
clean, but neither can you call most of it badly polluted. On the West
Coast with a larger population than the East Coast cities combined, and
with the spot where all of the Chinese who visited Wuhan land, we are
having 10% of the fatalities and the GROWTH of the disease is not fast.

Fauci's predictions haven't even gotten close to what he thought. Well,
he is an infectious disease expert and he has to try to predict the worst
case scenarios so I cannot fault him for that. What I CAN fault is the
Chicken Little Syndrome of the DNC and their propaganda arm, the Lame
Stream Media. This is not driven by their own fear but their attempt to
use a rather unimportant new virus as a political hammer.


History will tell and if we’re all still alive when this ****show is over,
one of us will be able to tell the other “I told you so”, and one of us
might reply with “I guess you were right”

Telluride testing update
 

Ralph Barone writes:

Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 6:38:04 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
The company testing the entire population of Telluride, CO for COVID-19
antibodies has reported some more definite preliminary results. Of nearly
1,000 people tested, 8 were found to have antibodies, and 23 had
intermediate or borderline results. This does not seem to agree with Tom’s
theory that most people have already had the disease.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tellu...e-uncertainty/

Firstly Telluride is the last place you would expect the virus - away
from real population centers, in very clean air without pollution causing
previous lung damage and with a younger population that are active and
hence having a low incidence of coronary heart disease. How would the
virus be introduced in the first place? It isn't like Silicon Valley with
10% of the workers native Chinese.

Plus there is this: "So far, they have tested about 12 percent of the
county’s 8,200 residents. The state has reported results for about
three-tenths of one percent of Colorado’s total number of residents."


Certainly. New York or Seattle would be much better places to test today,
but that’s not what’s happening, so you have to take the data you have and
run with it.

However, I thought that your hypothesis was that this disease was at least
as infectious as others claim, but that the vast majority get it and don’t
even know it, and therefore we’re already at the peak of the pandemic as
opposed to going up the steep edge. This data does not support that
hypothesis. Also Telluride has a relatively highly rated ski resort, and
since some of the initial spread of the virus may have occurred at ski
resorts, the town could have had substantial exposure even though it’s away
from population centres.

I remain of the opinion that there’s still a lot more **** which hasn’t hit
the fan yet.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But with Fauci already having
predicted that we would get from 100,000-240,000 deaths and we're all the
way up to 8,000 either we are going to have people that have never even
been to a town getting it or we will have to invent more population centers.

We have a population of 50 million senior citizens and only 3 - 4% of
those are in sad enough condition to died from this disease. (That's =
1,500,000) We have to pretend that either it is a 3% mortality rate of
"confirmed cases" or that the mortality rate is a great deal less. More
on the order of 1/2% 250,000 to have numbers like Fauci is tossing about.

But EVEN considering that, those low numbers of fatalities STILL don't
add up. In this period of time supposedly China passed WELL over the peak
and started down. Outbreaks in other areas of China did not spread in the
same manner. Wuhan is also the most polluted air in all of China.
Northeastern Italy is the most polluted area in all of Europe and NYC is
the most polluted area on the East Coast. Is there a connection? The bay
area despite having a population about 90% of NYC is having neither the
rapid growth nor the fatalities as NYC. It isn't as if the air here isn't
clean, but neither can you call most of it badly polluted. On the West
Coast with a larger population than the East Coast cities combined, and
with the spot where all of the Chinese who visited Wuhan land, we are
having 10% of the fatalities and the GROWTH of the disease is not fast.

Fauci's predictions haven't even gotten close to what he thought. Well,
he is an infectious disease expert and he has to try to predict the worst
case scenarios so I cannot fault him for that. What I CAN fault is the
Chicken Little Syndrome of the DNC and their propaganda arm, the Lame
Stream Media. This is not driven by their own fear but their attempt to
use a rather unimportant new virus as a political hammer.


History will tell and if we’re all still alive when this ****show is over,
one of us will be able to tell the other “I told you so”, and one of us
might reply with “I guess you were right”

You certainly are an optimist. I'll be amazed to find anyone admitting
a mistake.

Telluride testing update
 

On 4/4/2020 8:53 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Ralph Barone writes:

Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 6:38:04 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
The company testing the entire population of Telluride, CO for COVID-19
antibodies has reported some more definite preliminary results. Of nearly
1,000 people tested, 8 were found to have antibodies, and 23 had
intermediate or borderline results. This does not seem to agree with Tom’s
theory that most people have already had the disease.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tellu...e-uncertainty/

Firstly Telluride is the last place you would expect the virus - away
from real population centers, in very clean air without pollution causing
previous lung damage and with a younger population that are active and
hence having a low incidence of coronary heart disease. How would the
virus be introduced in the first place? It isn't like Silicon Valley with
10% of the workers native Chinese.

Plus there is this: "So far, they have tested about 12 percent of the
county’s 8,200 residents. The state has reported results for about
three-tenths of one percent of Colorado’s total number of residents."


Certainly. New York or Seattle would be much better places to test today,
but that’s not what’s happening, so you have to take the data you have and
run with it.

However, I thought that your hypothesis was that this disease was at least
as infectious as others claim, but that the vast majority get it and don’t
even know it, and therefore we’re already at the peak of the pandemic as
opposed to going up the steep edge. This data does not support that
hypothesis. Also Telluride has a relatively highly rated ski resort, and
since some of the initial spread of the virus may have occurred at ski
resorts, the town could have had substantial exposure even though it’s away
from population centres.

I remain of the opinion that there’s still a lot more **** which hasn’t hit
the fan yet.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But with Fauci already having
predicted that we would get from 100,000-240,000 deaths and we're all the
way up to 8,000 either we are going to have people that have never even
been to a town getting it or we will have to invent more population centers.

We have a population of 50 million senior citizens and only 3 - 4% of
those are in sad enough condition to died from this disease. (That's =
1,500,000) We have to pretend that either it is a 3% mortality rate of
"confirmed cases" or that the mortality rate is a great deal less. More
on the order of 1/2% 250,000 to have numbers like Fauci is tossing about.

But EVEN considering that, those low numbers of fatalities STILL don't
add up. In this period of time supposedly China passed WELL over the peak
and started down. Outbreaks in other areas of China did not spread in the
same manner. Wuhan is also the most polluted air in all of China.
Northeastern Italy is the most polluted area in all of Europe and NYC is
the most polluted area on the East Coast. Is there a connection? The bay
area despite having a population about 90% of NYC is having neither the
rapid growth nor the fatalities as NYC. It isn't as if the air here isn't
clean, but neither can you call most of it badly polluted. On the West
Coast with a larger population than the East Coast cities combined, and
with the spot where all of the Chinese who visited Wuhan land, we are
having 10% of the fatalities and the GROWTH of the disease is not fast.

Fauci's predictions haven't even gotten close to what he thought. Well,
he is an infectious disease expert and he has to try to predict the worst
case scenarios so I cannot fault him for that. What I CAN fault is the
Chicken Little Syndrome of the DNC and their propaganda arm, the Lame
Stream Media. This is not driven by their own fear but their attempt to
use a rather unimportant new virus as a political hammer.


History will tell and if we’re all still alive when this ****show is over,
one of us will be able to tell the other “I told you so”, and one of us
might reply with “I guess you were right”

You certainly are an optimist. I'll be amazed to find anyone admitting
a mistake.

In the past, a few of us have admitted mistakes here; but certainly not
many.


--
- Frank Krygowski