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A patching dilemma...
How can I buy a bunch of the smallest size patches? Most patch kits come with a
bunch of big ones, but only two or four small ones. The larger ones don't fit on road tubes without wrapping around them, so it's hard to get a good bond all the way around, to keep the edges from peeling. I haven't had one fail in awhile, but smaller patches would be better. Can someone get these in bulk, and sell me a bunch? I'm sick of paying $4.00 for a patch kit with 2 good patches in it, and a bunch of crap I'll never use. Also, is it better to remove the plastic, leave it on, or leave it on as the patch cures but take it off before using the tube? I do let my patches cure overnight whenever possible. Matt O. |
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:47:42 -0500, "Matt O'Toole" wrote:
How can I buy a bunch of the smallest size patches? Most patch kits come with a bunch of big ones, but only two or four small ones. The larger ones don't fit on road tubes without wrapping around them, so it's hard to get a good bond all the way around, to keep the edges from peeling. I haven't had one fail in awhile, but smaller patches would be better. Can someone get these in bulk, and sell me a bunch? I'm sick of paying $4.00 for a patch kit with 2 good patches in it, and a bunch of crap I'll never use. Scissors. - OR - Want a nice feathered edge, lick an Xacto and use that to cut on a bevel. Maybe lick your finger and use that to lube the blade. Ron |
"Matt O'Toole" wrote in message ... How can I buy a bunch of the smallest size patches? Most patch kits come with a bunch of big ones, but only two or four small ones. The larger ones don't fit on road tubes without wrapping around them, so it's hard to get a good bond all the way around, to keep the edges from peeling. I haven't had one fail in awhile, but smaller patches would be better. Can someone get these in bulk, and sell me a bunch? I'm sick of paying $4.00 for a patch kit with 2 good patches in it, and a bunch of crap I'll never use. Matt, A couple of options: Innovations 20mm tire patches box of 100 for about $18: http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...m_id =IN-9028 or Rema 1" (about 25mm?) tire patches, box of 100 for $14.75: http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...em_id =RE-F1P Third Hand has Rema 1" patches, box of 100 for $13.37: http://www.thethirdhand.com/index.cg...d=986571315409 Also, is it better to remove the plastic, leave it on, or leave it on as the patch cures but take it off before using the tube? I do let my patches cure overnight whenever possible. I usually take the plastic off. Jobst also talks about this in the Bicycle FAQ (now updated, with pictures, by Sheldon Brown): http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/patching.html |
Hi Matt
Bike tools Etc sells 100 small Ream for a very reasonable price ~$15. I do believe that they have a shelf life, although I don't know what it is. I've been hesitating to buy 100 because of this. Would you be interested in splitting or thirding 100? Where do you live? I'm in the SF Bay Area. John |
Hi Matt
Bike tools Etc sells 100 small Ream for a very reasonable price ~$15. I do believe that they have a shelf life, although I don't know what it is. I've been hesitating to buy 100 because of this. Would you be interested in splitting or thirding 100? Where do you live? I'm in the SF Bay Area. John |
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:47:42 -0500, "Matt O'Toole"
wrote: How can I buy a bunch of the smallest size patches? Most patch kits come with a bunch of big ones, but only two or four small ones. The larger ones don't fit on road tubes without wrapping around them, so it's hard to get a good bond all the way around, to keep the edges from peeling. I haven't had one fail in awhile, but smaller patches would be better. Can someone get these in bulk, and sell me a bunch? I'm sick of paying $4.00 for a patch kit with 2 good patches in it, and a bunch of crap I'll never use. I just buy the large package of them from the auto parts store and cut the larger ones into smaller pieces. The smaller ones in the kit (about one inch square) are near to ideal for the majority of my patching, but even they are a tad large on a road tube. Alternately... http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi...d=643283426177 alias http://tinyurl.com/4trsp or, if those are too big... http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...m_i d=IN-9028 alias http://tinyurl.com/4h2k6 Also, is it better to remove the plastic, leave it on, or leave it on as the patch cures but take it off before using the tube? I do let my patches cure overnight whenever possible. My personal preference is to peel the non-glue-side plastic before placing the patch, but I do not believe that it actually makes a difference whether that's done before or after patch placement. -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:47:42 -0500, "Matt O'Toole"
wrote: How can I buy a bunch of the smallest size patches? Most patch kits come with a bunch of big ones, but only two or four small ones. The larger ones don't fit on road tubes without wrapping around them, so it's hard to get a good bond all the way around, to keep the edges from peeling. I haven't had one fail in awhile, but smaller patches would be better. Can someone get these in bulk, and sell me a bunch? I'm sick of paying $4.00 for a patch kit with 2 good patches in it, and a bunch of crap I'll never use. Also, is it better to remove the plastic, leave it on, or leave it on as the patch cures but take it off before using the tube? I do let my patches cure overnight whenever possible. You local shop should be able to get you a box of 100 small patches that are made by Innovations. I think that Innovations also has a patch kit with 6 small patches only. I never bother to take the plastic off. Usually, it just seems to fall off by itself or disintegrate over time. |
Mark, Ya Know, that's interesting.
I get a little nib about 1/2 the time. I've always thought it was something I was doing wrong, but I'm not sure what. I try to leave the clear plastic on even after mounting the tube, but it usually falls off before. The hardest part for me is getting the patch centered. I've developed a method to do that, but it takes too long. And yes I use talcum powder, despite highly regarded advice to the contrary. John |
Matt O'Toole wrote:
How can I buy a bunch of the smallest size patches? Most patch kits come with a bunch of big ones, but only two or four small ones. The larger ones don't fit on road tubes without wrapping around them, so it's hard to get a good bond all the way around, to keep the edges from peeling. I haven't had one fail in awhile, but smaller patches would be better. Rema patches are available in a special kit for road bikes, which has patches smaller than usual. The box has four round patches of about 3/4 inches and two larger ones. What you want is a black box, model "TT 04", instead of the more common cyan one. I got mine from he http://www.starbike.com/php/suchen.p...hSubmit=Search -as |
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Hi Matt
like tools Etc sells 100 small Ream for a very reasonable price ~$15. I do believe that they have a shelf life, although I don't know what it is. I've been hesitating to buy 100 because of this. Would you be interested in splitting or thirding 100? Where do you live? I'm in the SF Bay Area. John i asked this group about shelf life last summer(?) & the opinions were a very long time, pretty much indefinite. |
As for "glue" or vulcanizing fluid - I tried buying that in bulk, and
it definitely did NOT have shelf life. Now I go to a dept. store and buy the cheapest patch kits I can, about $1.50, pitch the patches and use the glue. I think I'm still far ahead overall in the cost of patching supplies. give 'rubber cement', the paper stuff, a try. i was fooling around & made a 1-in x 3-in patch using an old inner tube, rubber cement & naptha/Coleman fuel (as a liquid buffer) and lived to tell about it. i had a tube with a 2 in split and wondered if it would work. if i'm DIY a patch from an inner tube, i'll coat both surfaces with the rubber cement after a naptha cleaning & allow both surfaces to _dry_ (NO CHEATING!) |
Per Mark Janeba:
One annoyance: In the latest box I bought (probably 15 years ago), the foil peels off before the cellophane. (From the day I got the box) I just catch a corner with a fingernail and peel away; it leaves an annoying (but harmless) munged part on the edge of the patch. Geeze, I thought that was the way they were supposed to work. All my tires have patches covered with cellophane... -- PeteCresswell |
(Pete Cresswell) wrote:
Per Mark Janeba: One annoyance: In the latest box I bought (probably 15 years ago), the foil peels off before the cellophane. (From the day I got the box) I just catch a corner with a fingernail and peel away; it leaves an annoying (but harmless) munged part on the edge of the patch. Geeze, I thought that was the way they were supposed to work. All my tires have patches covered with cellophane... The Rema patches I've used have a thin slit in the cellophane at the center of the patch. Stretching the tube/patch after the repair splits the cellophane at the slit and makes it easy to remove if desired. |
Peter wrote:
The Rema patches I've used have a thin slit in the cellophane at the center of the patch. Stretching the tube/patch after the repair splits the cellophane at the slit and makes it easy to remove if desired. I just wonder about the best practice WRT removing the cellophane. I suppose it's there to keep the patch from drying out. But I'm sure it also helps protect it from peeling off the tube, and/or sticking to the tire. OTOH, I wonder if peeling it off helps the patch cure faster. I bet Jobst knows... Matt O. |
Matt O'Toole wrote:
Peter wrote: The Rema patches I've used have a thin slit in the cellophane at the center of the patch. Stretching the tube/patch after the repair splits the cellophane at the slit and makes it easy to remove if desired. I just wonder about the best practice WRT removing the cellophane. I suppose it's there to keep the patch from drying out. But I'm sure it also helps protect it from peeling off the tube, and/or sticking to the tire. OTOH, I wonder if peeling it off helps the patch cure faster. I bet Jobst knows... To quote Jobst Brandt, "It [cellophane cover] does hurt but not much. The cellophane is non-stretch and the tube and tire are, so this has a distortion effect that helps loosen a freshly applied patch, if this is the only tube one has. The cellophane is made to be easily removed as I previously explained. Link to full post: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/070b771882bbaf34?dmode=source. -- Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island |
Matt O'Toole wrote:
How can I buy a bunch of the smallest size patches? Most patch kits come with a bunch of big ones, but only two or four small ones. The larger ones don't fit on road tubes without wrapping around them, so it's hard to get a good bond all the way around, to keep the edges from peeling. I haven't had one fail in awhile, but smaller patches would be better. Can someone get these in bulk, and sell me a bunch? I'm sick of paying $4.00 for a patch kit with 2 good patches in it, and a bunch of crap I'll never use. Also, is it better to remove the plastic, leave it on, or leave it on as the patch cures but take it off before using the tube? I do let my patches cure overnight whenever possible. We stock boxes of 100. LBS can get them quickly - nearly every distributor who sells patch kits also sells boxes of patches. The clear vinyl cover shows where a patch stitcher/patch roller has been applied. Since you don't use one of those , peel it up if it comes easily, leave it if not. Doesn't matter. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Mark, Ya Know, that's interesting. I get a little nib about 1/2 the time. I've always thought it was something I was doing wrong, but I'm not sure what. I try to leave the clear plastic on even after mounting the tube, but it usually falls off before. The hardest part for me is getting the patch centered. I've developed a method to do that, but it takes too long. And yes I use talcum powder, despite highly regarded advice to the contrary. John What is a nib? To patch, I draw the tube across the back of my left hand, injury centered, and hold the tube firmly in that hand. Then I clean the area with a solvent , ideally Tech 2-Way Prep, a patch-specific cleaner, on a clean cloth. Alcohol, MEK, Trichlorethylene, tape deck cleaner or anything else that evaporates cleanly will do. Anything that leaves a residue won't help. The older crowd smears patch cement on the area and shaves that off with a pocket knife. Now I have a chemically cleaned surface, dead flat, with the hole centered and I haven't smeared my fingers across the cleaned area. Spread cement in an area slightly larger than your patch as thinly and evenly as possible while remaining wet. Allow an angel to pass. That in this case is ten to thirty seconds until the glue looks dry. Peel back the patch backing. With care you can get the backing mostly off so you can hold a covered edge and keep your fingers off the prepared patch. Press the patch firmly over the injury and either use a patch stitcher or your fingers to push the patch firmly onto the glued surface. Some photos here might help: http://www.yellowjersey.org/tubfix.html Our FAQ is also instructive: http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/index.html -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
matt- How can I buy a bunch of the smallest size patches? BRBR
Any decent LBS has Rema patches, we do as do we have tubes of glue. Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
I've heard that you can make patches out of old inner tubes. I've been
waiting for my first box of patches to be used up before trying this option. I use a pair of scissors and cut the patch in half before patching the tube on my road bike. |
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:15:25 GMT, Mark Janeba
wrote: As for "glue" or vulcanizing fluid - I tried buying that in bulk, and it definitely did NOT have shelf life. I buy the stuff in Pep Boys and store the resealed container in the refrigerator. It took me over 3 years to use the first can. I did add a little solvent to it at some point. When it does thicken, it's decent glue to put shipping labels on. |
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
awhile, but smaller patches would be better. Can someone get these in bulk, and At $0.50 a patch they still are not the cheapest, but rivendell sells a kit with 10 "dime sized" patches for $5. Maybe some LBSs have the Velox patches they put in there. They are definitely smaller than the smallest Rema ones. http://tinyurl.com/3k7f4 This place in the UK sells what looks to be the same patches for 3.50 pounds for 100. At under 7 cents each that might even be worth the overseas shipping. http://tinyurl.com/3kmgk -Jeff |
I've heard that you can make patches out of old inner tubes
Yes, indeed. I did this once when I ran out of patches and spare tubes, and it got me home OK. I sanded the gluing surface, applied glue, and let it dry; did same on punctured tube. No leaks, but I don't know how long it would have lasted because I peeled it off (with some difficulty) and replaced it with a Rema patch. Mike Yankee (Address is munged to thwart spammers. To reply, delete everything after "com".) |
On 2 Jan 2005 13:24:57 -0800, wrote:
Hi Matt Bike tools Etc sells 100 small Ream for a very reasonable price ~$15. Unfortunately for those of us who ride road bikes with narrow tires, they only carry Rema Part # F1-P, the 25mm (1") patches, and F2-Ps, the 2" oval patches. These are too wide for the tubes we generally use. I prefer Rema's F0-P, which is a box of 100, 16mm patches; but these are generally hard to find. Even Third Hand/Loose Tools doesn't carry the smaller patches. A web search has turned up the F0-P at Alfred E. Bike, and Air Bomb; both for around $20. I've never dealt with either so can't advise one way or the other. jeverett3ATearthlinkDOTnet http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3 |
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@earthlink.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net says... On 2 Jan 2005 13:24:57 -0800, wrote: Hi Matt Bike tools Etc sells 100 small Ream for a very reasonable price ~$15. Unfortunately for those of us who ride road bikes with narrow tires, they only carry Rema Part # F1-P, the 25mm (1") patches, and F2-Ps, the 2" oval patches. These are too wide for the tubes we generally use. I prefer Rema's F0-P, which is a box of 100, 16mm patches; but these are generally hard to find. Even Third Hand/Loose Tools doesn't carry the smaller patches. A web search has turned up the F0-P at Alfred E. Bike, and Air Bomb; both for around $20. I've never dealt with either so can't advise one way or the other. jeverett3ATearthlinkDOTnet http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3 100 15mm patches here, I've been using them for years. UK seller mind you but he does ship abroad. 100 for £3.65 including shipping to non EU countries. http://tinyurl.com/2dqpz -- Mark (MSA) ______________________________________________ Remember, half the people you know are below average |
Werehatrack wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:47:42 -0500, "Matt O'Toole" wrote: How can I buy a bunch of the smallest size patches? Most patch kits come with a bunch of big ones, but only two or four small ones. The larger ones don't fit on road tubes without wrapping around them, so it's hard to get a good bond all the way around, to keep the edges from peeling. I haven't had one fail in awhile, but smaller patches would be better. Can someone get these in bulk, and sell me a bunch? I'm sick of paying $4.00 for a patch kit with 2 good patches in it, and a bunch of crap I'll never use. I just buy the large package of them from the auto parts store and cut the larger ones into smaller pieces. The smaller ones in the kit (about one inch square) are near to ideal for the majority of my patching, but even they are a tad large on a road tube. I agree. I get my big cardboard tube of patches from Wal-Mart. About $2.50. After cutting all of the big patches into the 1"x1" square size, I have over 100 patches. I've never bothered to trim them smaller but I suppose a compulsive person could do this. And the various auto parts stores sell big tubes of patch glue for under $1. If the big tube of patch glue in the Wal-Mart patch kit runs out after 5 years. Reading all of these posts about paying $15 or more for a box of 100 REMA patches specially ordered from the LBS has provided the chuckle for the day. |
Kenny wrote:
I've heard that you can make patches out of old inner tubes. I've been waiting for my first box of patches to be used up before trying this option. I use a pair of scissors and cut the patch in half before patching the tube on my road bike. "Patches can be made from tube material but this must be done carefully following the same procedure as preparing the tube. However, butyl tube material, unlike commercial patches, is impervious to rubber cement solvents and will not cure if the glue on the tube and patch is not completely dry. This presents a substantial problem." - Jobst Brandt [1] [1] http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/patching.html. -- Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island |
wrote in message oups.com... Mark, Ya Know, that's interesting. I get a little nib about 1/2 the time. I've always thought it was something I was doing wrong, but I'm not sure what. I try to leave the clear plastic on even after mounting the tube, but it usually falls off before. The hardest part for me is getting the patch centered. I've developed a method to do that, but it takes too long. And yes I use talcum powder, despite highly regarded advice to the contrary. John To center the patch - put a small dab of glue on the hole, using the dab as center, draw a glue circle slightly larger than the patch. Fill it in and when ready, center the patch in the glue and the hole will be centered under the patch. Phil H |
Matt O. wrote in part:
I do let my patches cure overnight whenever possible. Agree with the necessity for patches in bulk but please do not perpetuate this patch curing nonsense. No more talk of patch curing in 2005! |
A. Muzi wrote in part:
Spread cement in an area slightly larger than your patch as thinly and evenly as possible while remaining wet. Allow an angel to pass. That in this case is ten to thirty seconds until the glue looks dry. You can't patch a tube on the road that way. It is absolutely necessary to let the glue dry completely, which means a whole gang of angels must pass before applying the patch, say three minutes or so. Robert |
: You can't patch a tube on the road that way. : It is absolutely necessary to let the glue dry : completely, which means a whole gang of angels : must pass before applying the patch, say three : minutes or so. : : Robert they travel in gangs now? that's depressing. Pat |
"Pat" wrote in message ... : You can't patch a tube on the road that way. : It is absolutely necessary to let the glue dry : completely, which means a whole gang of angels : must pass before applying the patch, say three : minutes or so. : : Robert they travel in gangs now? that's depressing. Pat I used to live near Altimont and it often seemed to take much longer for the gang of Angels to pass there. Dave |
You can't patch a tube on the road that way.
It is absolutely necessary to let the glue dry completely, which means a whole gang of angels must pass before applying the patch, say three minutes or so. But the area under the patch is going to expand when inflated. So would it not be better for the glue to still be wet when the expansion occurrs? dkl |
dkl wrote:
But the area under the patch is going to expand when inflated. So would it not be better for the glue to still be wet when the expansion occurrs? No. Robert |
Jevertt- I prefer Rema's F0-P, which is a box of 100, 16mm patches; but
these are generally hard to find. BRBR Anybody that deals with QBP, PK-2001 is the part number- Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
jeff- At $0.50 a patch they still are not the cheapest, but rivendell sells a
kit with 10 "dime sized" patches for $5. Maybe some LBSs have the Velox patches they put in there. They are definitely smaller than the smallest Rema ones. BRBR Ahh, Rivendell trying to stay in biz I guess. 16mm Remas work for any tire I have seen, even 18mm ones. QBP-PK-2001, about $.15 per. Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
Matt O'Toole wrote in part:
OTOH, I wonder if peeling it off helps the patch cure faster. What disease does the poor patch have? Anyway, my sympathies and I hope the little fellar gets well soon. Robert |
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