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http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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David Hansen wrote:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.

Do you have reason to believe that he was driving on the pavement
intentionally then?

After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.

Can you cite even one example of anyone ever suggesting that motorists
*never* end up on pavements /unintentionally/???

--
Matt B

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David Hansen wrote:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.

I'm amazed they find the time, given all the red lights they have to be
riding through...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:48:47 +0100, Matt B
wrote:

David Hansen wrote:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.

Do you have reason to believe that he was driving on the pavement
intentionally then?

Well, it wasn't a collision which bumped him off-course.

Another pedestrian killed on the pavement
 

On 1 Jun, 09:50, Peter Clinch wrote:
David Hansen wrote:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/inde...32007indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.

I'm amazed they find the time, given all the red lights they have to be
riding through...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

It's the elephant in the living room. People really do write letters
to local press about lycra nazi RLJers whilst 140 pedestrians a year
are killed by drivers who deliberately take stupid risks:

Man's fatal crash fine 'a joke'


A van driver who knocked down a young girl as she walked to the shops
with her mother has been fined £1,000.

Demi-Leigh Hitchen, three, suffered fatal injuries when a van mounted
a pavement and clipped her on Livesey Branch Road, Blackburn, last
July.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/4985434.stm



Two men have been arrested after a sports car ploughed into
pedestrians outside a busy nightclub, killing a bouncer and injuring
five people seriously.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/389685.stm

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spindrift wrote on 01/06/2007 10:02 +0100:

A van driver who knocked down a young girl as she walked to the shops
with her mother has been fined £1,000.

Demi-Leigh Hitchen, three, suffered fatal injuries when a van mounted
a pavement and clipped her on Livesey Branch Road, Blackburn, last
July.


Whereas if he'd taken her from a holiday apartment he would have had the
whole of Europe and the Pope trying to catch him and incarcerate him for
life.


--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:02:35 -0700, spindrift
wrote:

It's the elephant in the living room. People really do write letters
to local press about lycra nazi RLJers whilst 140 pedestrians a year
are killed by drivers who deliberately take stupid risks:

Man's fatal crash fine 'a joke'


A van driver who knocked down a young girl as she walked to the shops
with her mother has been fined £1,000.

Demi-Leigh Hitchen, three, suffered fatal injuries when a van mounted
a pavement and clipped her on Livesey Branch Road, Blackburn, last
July.

The perp, Ryan Frayne, was also banned for 12 months. Nevertheless, he
was caught driving 8 months later. He pleaded guilty to driving while
disqualified, failing to provide a specimen of breath for analysis,
obstructing a police officer, and driving without insurance. He was
given 180 hours of community service and a further 12-month ban. The
reason for the original disqualification was not even mentioned in
court.

But even better than that is the quote from District Judge Peter Ward
who handed out the original sentence for driving without due care and
attention -- "It seems to me that the consequence of your lack of care
is such that I have to impose a significant penalty." As absurd as it
sounds, it was close to the maximum for this offence.

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"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.


That's the running joke in this family. Whenever husband or I see a motorist
jump a red light, and there are *loads* in our neck of the woods - it's
endemic in Norwich - the saying is, "Look it's another cyclist in disguise."
:-(

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wafflycat wrote:

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.

That's the running joke in this family. Whenever husband or I see a
motorist jump a red light, and there are *loads* in our neck of the
woods - it's endemic in Norwich - the saying is, "Look it's another
cyclist in disguise." :-(

Do motorists there overtake queues of stationary traffic waiting at red
lights, specifically to jump the lights?

Do they drive up to a light that has been red for a while, slow down as
they approach it, check to see that the way is clear, then proceed to
jump it?

--
Matt B

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in message , David Hansen
') wrote:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.

I suggest that this is off-topic here.

Yes, it's tragic. But pedestrians on the footway are killed in Britain by
drivers every single week, and we cannot discuss every one of them;
furthermore, no-one involved was cycling.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

See one nuclear war, you've seen them all.

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Simon Brooke wrote:
in message , David Hansen
') wrote:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.

I suggest that this is off-topic here.

Yes, it's tragic. But pedestrians on the footway are killed in
Britain by drivers every single week, and we cannot discuss every one
of them; furthermore, no-one involved was cycling.

Absolutely agree.

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:11:44 +0100 someone who may be "wafflycat"
wrote this:-

That's the running joke in this family. Whenever husband or I see a motorist
jump a red light, and there are *loads* in our neck of the woods - it's
endemic in Norwich - the saying is, "Look it's another cyclist in disguise."

Whenever I see one of the majority of cyclists stopping at a red
traffic light I do wonder if they are motorists in disguise. After
all we are told that cyclists never stop at red traffic lights.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:50:58 +0100 someone who may be Simon Brooke
wrote this:-

I suggest that this is off-topic here.

Others disagree, as they have commented on it.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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On 1 Jun, 11:44, Matt B wrote:

Do motorists there overtake queues of stationary traffic waiting at red
lights, specifically to jump the lights?

Matt B

They do this outside my workplace quite often. I see it 2 - 3 times a
week and as I am only rarely in rooms overlooking the junction I
presume it occurs many other times.

The junction is a crossroads with lights. The road approaching it past
our building has two lanes going towards the lights. Most traffic
turns right so the right lane often has a queue in it and the left
lane is often clear. The drivers under discussion go along the left
lane, pass the red light and move right to stop beyond the stop line
in front of the first vehicle stopped at the stop line in the right
lane. They then turn right when the light goes green, having bypassed
the queue.

Jon

Another pedestrian killed on the pavement
 

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:50:58 +0100, Simon Brooke
wrote:

I suggest that this is off-topic here.

Yes, it's tragic. But pedestrians on the footway are killed in Britain by
drivers every single week, and we cannot discuss every one of them;
furthermore, no-one involved was cycling.

Perp claims he swerved to avoid a boy who was cycling.

Another pedestrian killed on the pavement
 

David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:50:58 +0100 someone who may be Simon Brooke
wrote this:-

I suggest that this is off-topic here.

Others disagree, as they have commented on it.

Up to a point: I don't think commenting on something makes is
necessarily all it takes to become on-topic...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Jon wrote:
On 1 Jun, 11:44, Matt B wrote:
Do motorists there overtake queues of stationary traffic waiting at red
lights, specifically to jump the lights?

Matt B

They do this outside my workplace quite often. I see it 2 - 3 times a
week and as I am only rarely in rooms overlooking the junction I
presume it occurs many other times.

The junction is a crossroads with lights. The road approaching it past
our building has two lanes going towards the lights. Most traffic
turns right so the right lane often has a queue in it and the left
lane is often clear. The drivers under discussion go along the left
lane, pass the red light and move right to stop beyond the stop line
in front of the first vehicle stopped at the stop line in the right
lane. They then turn right when the light goes green, having bypassed
the queue.

Mmmm. So "technically" yes. But they don't actually do it to cross the
junction on red, so by "spirit", rather than "word", that doesn't really
count. ;-)

--
Matt B

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Tony Raven wrote:

spindrift wrote on 01/06/2007 10:02 +0100:

A van driver who knocked down a young girl as she walked to the shops
with her mother has been fined £1,000.

Demi-Leigh Hitchen, three, suffered fatal injuries when a van mounted
a pavement and clipped her on Livesey Branch Road, Blackburn, last
July.


Whereas if he'd taken her from a holiday apartment he would have had the
whole of Europe and the Pope trying to catch him and incarcerate him for
life.

be fair, perhaps Demi isn't white and blonde, or her family are lower
class and not senior front line health workers.

Anyway, If someone kidnapped one of my kids I would want someone to go
seriously Nazi on the kidnappers' ass

Anyone not offended yet?
igmc
james

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Another pedestrian killed on the pavement
 

Matt B" "matt.bourke wrote:
wafflycat wrote:

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.

That's the running joke in this family. Whenever husband or I see a
motorist jump a red light, and there are *loads* in our neck of the
woods - it's endemic in Norwich - the saying is, "Look it's another
cyclist in disguise." :-(

Do motorists there overtake queues of stationary traffic waiting at
red lights, specifically to jump the lights?

Do they drive up to a light that has been red for a while, slow down
as they approach it, check to see that the way is clear, then proceed
to jump it?

Do they approach a red light at a pedestrian crossing and weave their way
through the people crossing?

pk

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spindrift wrote:

On 1 Jun, 09:50, Peter Clinch wrote:
David Hansen wrote:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/inde...32007indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.

I'm amazed they find the time, given all the red lights they have to be
riding through...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

It's the elephant in the living room. People really do write letters
to local press about lycra nazi RLJers whilst 140 pedestrians a year
are killed by drivers who deliberately take stupid risks:

yes very much so.

snips

roger

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In message
Matt B wrote:

wafflycat wrote:

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.

That's the running joke in this family. Whenever husband or I see a
motorist jump a red light, and there are *loads* in our neck of the
woods - it's endemic in Norwich - the saying is, "Look it's another
cyclist in disguise." :-(

Do motorists there overtake queues of stationary traffic waiting at red
lights, specifically to jump the lights?

YES.

Tempoary traffic lights for roadworks. Lights turn red. Two or three
cars in front of me stop. Pick up man behind pulls out and blasts
through red lights. Police car further back in queue pulls out, blue
lights on.

Pick up pulled over after roadworks

But off course we all know the driver was a cyclist in disguise....

G




--
Gwyn

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p.k. wrote:
Matt B" "matt.bourke wrote:
wafflycat wrote:
"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.
That's the running joke in this family. Whenever husband or I see a
motorist jump a red light, and there are *loads* in our neck of the
woods - it's endemic in Norwich - the saying is, "Look it's another
cyclist in disguise." :-(
Do motorists there overtake queues of stationary traffic waiting at
red lights, specifically to jump the lights?

Do they drive up to a light that has been red for a while, slow down
as they approach it, check to see that the way is clear, then proceed
to jump it?

Do they approach a red light at a pedestrian crossing and weave their way
through the people crossing?

Do cyclists park on pedestrian crossings (often while using a mobile
phone) preventing pedestrians from crossing on green?



pk

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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:38:01 +0100 someone who may be Gwyn
wrote this:-

Do motorists there overtake queues of stationary traffic waiting at red
lights, specifically to jump the lights?

YES.

Tempoary traffic lights for roadworks. Lights turn red. Two or three
cars in front of me stop. Pick up man behind pulls out and blasts
through red lights. Police car further back in queue pulls out, blue
lights on.

Motorists sometimes do this at road/rail level crossings. They will
overtake several other motorists waiting at the flashing red lights.
At those crossings with cameras these stunts are filmed for
posterity, the film sometimes includes the last few seconds of the
motorist's life as the train crushes them and their motor vehicle.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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In ,
wafflycat tweaked the Babbage-Engine to
tell us:
"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=855032007 indicates
that the little girl killed recently was walking along the pavement
with her mother.

No doubt the driver of the car was actually a cyclist in disguise.
After all motorists never drive on pavements, according to some,
only cyclists do this.


That's the running joke in this family. Whenever husband or I see a
motorist jump a red light, and there are *loads* in our neck of the
woods - it's endemic in Norwich - the saying is, "Look it's another
cyclist in disguise." :-(

They've even started stealing buses and taxis in Harlow...

--
Dave Larrington
http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
Funsize Mars bars? What could possibly be MORE fun about eating
LESS chocolate?