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I've been watching these guy's YouTube videos and other than the fact that they are using tests to market sponsor's products they are pretty good. Though I sure as hell could do without these guys flying to UAE to ride hills.

Some of the good points they covered is the fact that cadence is unique to the individual but that the variations aren't all that large. That Compact gearing is even being used by pro's with 11's or now even 10's available for the small cog.

Standing while climbing which is certainly beating yourself up for no other reason than to climb in a bigger gear.

What I would like to see from them is the old Look Delta Pedal vs the new Look Deo Blade. The Delta is a large pedal and is difficult enough to hit accurately especially on hills where you've slipped out of one of the pedals. How does the Keo work in those conditions?

My Time and my Colnago are different generations and only weigh about one lb different. Since my summer-winter weight varies perhaps 5 lbs it isn't a weight problem but the Colnago rides SOOOO much better that there is more to this position than seat height and knee-cap over pedal center business.

10 years ago I was 64 years old and could ride really hard and recover in hours. Now it is taking me a day or two to recover from a metric. Even if I'm not pushing that hard. How bad do you suppose this is going to get? I don't like doing all easy rides so that I can ride the next day.

Saddles are in the eye of the beholder but GCN seems to not mind just about any saddle as long as it's light. I on the other had can tell 10 mm difference in saddle width and less than 4 in the roundness of the saddle across the top.

What about you guys?

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On 19/3/19 8:46 am, wrote:

What I would like to see from them is the old Look Delta Pedal vs the
new Look Deo Blade. The Delta is a large pedal and is difficult
enough to hit accurately especially on hills where you've slipped out
of one of the pedals. How does the Keo work in those conditions?

Hasn't been a problem for me. I used Shimano DuraAce Look Delta
compatible pedals for maybe a decade, and I've been on Look Keo pedals
for at least as long.

--
JS

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On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 3:18:03 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
On 19/3/19 8:46 am, wrote:

What I would like to see from them is the old Look Delta Pedal vs the
new Look Deo Blade. The Delta is a large pedal and is difficult
enough to hit accurately especially on hills where you've slipped out
of one of the pedals. How does the Keo work in those conditions?

Hasn't been a problem for me. I used Shimano DuraAce Look Delta
compatible pedals for maybe a decade, and I've been on Look Keo pedals
for at least as long.

--
JS

I changed to lollipops for awhile and even with carbon soles got hotfoot.

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On 3/18/2019 4:46 PM, wrote:
I've been watching these guy's YouTube videos and other than the fact that they are using tests to market sponsor's products they are pretty good. Though I sure as hell could do without these guys flying to UAE to ride hills.

Some of the good points they covered is the fact that cadence is unique to the individual but that the variations aren't all that large. That Compact gearing is even being used by pro's with 11's or now even 10's available for the small cog.

Standing while climbing which is certainly beating yourself up for no other reason than to climb in a bigger gear.

What I would like to see from them is the old Look Delta Pedal vs the new Look Deo Blade. The Delta is a large pedal and is difficult enough to hit accurately especially on hills where you've slipped out of one of the pedals. How does the Keo work in those conditions?

My Time and my Colnago are different generations and only weigh about one lb different. Since my summer-winter weight varies perhaps 5 lbs it isn't a weight problem but the Colnago rides SOOOO much better that there is more to this position than seat height and knee-cap over pedal center business.

10 years ago I was 64 years old and could ride really hard and recover in hours. Now it is taking me a day or two to recover from a metric. Even if I'm not pushing that hard. How bad do you suppose this is going to get? I don't like doing all easy rides so that I can ride the next day.

Saddles are in the eye of the beholder but GCN seems to not mind just about any saddle as long as it's light. I on the other had can tell 10 mm difference in saddle width and less than 4 in the roundness of the saddle across the top.

What about you guys?

" What about you guys?"
Could I climb better ten years ago?
Yes.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2019 4:46 PM, wrote:
I've been watching these guy's YouTube videos and other than the fact
that they are using tests to market sponsor's products they are pretty
good. Though I sure as hell could do without these guys flying to UAE to ride hills.

Some of the good points they covered is the fact that cadence is unique
to the individual but that the variations aren't all that large. That
Compact gearing is even being used by pro's with 11's or now even 10's
available for the small cog.

Standing while climbing which is certainly beating yourself up for no
other reason than to climb in a bigger gear.

What I would like to see from them is the old Look Delta Pedal vs the
new Look Deo Blade. The Delta is a large pedal and is difficult enough
to hit accurately especially on hills where you've slipped out of one of
the pedals. How does the Keo work in those conditions?

My Time and my Colnago are different generations and only weigh about
one lb different. Since my summer-winter weight varies perhaps 5 lbs it
isn't a weight problem but the Colnago rides SOOOO much better that
there is more to this position than seat height and knee-cap over pedal center business.

10 years ago I was 64 years old and could ride really hard and recover
in hours. Now it is taking me a day or two to recover from a metric.
Even if I'm not pushing that hard. How bad do you suppose this is going
to get? I don't like doing all easy rides so that I can ride the next day.

Saddles are in the eye of the beholder but GCN seems to not mind just
about any saddle as long as it's light. I on the other had can tell 10
mm difference in saddle width and less than 4 in the roundness of the
saddle across the top.

What about you guys?

" What about you guys?"
Could I climb better ten years ago?
Yes.


Define better.

--
duane

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On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 5:26:55 PM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2019 4:46 PM, wrote:
I've been watching these guy's YouTube videos and other than the fact
that they are using tests to market sponsor's products they are pretty
good. Though I sure as hell could do without these guys flying to UAE to ride hills.

Some of the good points they covered is the fact that cadence is unique
to the individual but that the variations aren't all that large. That
Compact gearing is even being used by pro's with 11's or now even 10's
available for the small cog.

Standing while climbing which is certainly beating yourself up for no
other reason than to climb in a bigger gear.

What I would like to see from them is the old Look Delta Pedal vs the
new Look Deo Blade. The Delta is a large pedal and is difficult enough
to hit accurately especially on hills where you've slipped out of one of
the pedals. How does the Keo work in those conditions?

My Time and my Colnago are different generations and only weigh about
one lb different. Since my summer-winter weight varies perhaps 5 lbs it
isn't a weight problem but the Colnago rides SOOOO much better that
there is more to this position than seat height and knee-cap over pedal center business.

10 years ago I was 64 years old and could ride really hard and recover
in hours. Now it is taking me a day or two to recover from a metric.
Even if I'm not pushing that hard. How bad do you suppose this is going
to get? I don't like doing all easy rides so that I can ride the next day.

Saddles are in the eye of the beholder but GCN seems to not mind just
about any saddle as long as it's light. I on the other had can tell 10
mm difference in saddle width and less than 4 in the roundness of the
saddle across the top.

What about you guys?

" What about you guys?"
Could I climb better ten years ago?
Yes.


Define better.

--
duane

The point wasn't if you could ride better when you were 30, it was how far is the degradation going to go? All of the old coots I know are younger than me except for a couple of 87 years olds. One of them can't ride anymore at all and the other one won't even try a hard ride. Using just those two data points doesn't give me any real information about how bad my climbing in particular is going to get.

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wrote:
On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 5:26:55 PM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2019 4:46 PM, wrote:
I've been watching these guy's YouTube videos and other than the fact
that they are using tests to market sponsor's products they are pretty
good. Though I sure as hell could do without these guys flying to UAE to ride hills.

Some of the good points they covered is the fact that cadence is unique
to the individual but that the variations aren't all that large. That
Compact gearing is even being used by pro's with 11's or now even 10's
available for the small cog.

Standing while climbing which is certainly beating yourself up for no
other reason than to climb in a bigger gear.

What I would like to see from them is the old Look Delta Pedal vs the
new Look Deo Blade. The Delta is a large pedal and is difficult enough
to hit accurately especially on hills where you've slipped out of one of
the pedals. How does the Keo work in those conditions?

My Time and my Colnago are different generations and only weigh about
one lb different. Since my summer-winter weight varies perhaps 5 lbs it
isn't a weight problem but the Colnago rides SOOOO much better that
there is more to this position than seat height and knee-cap over pedal center business.

10 years ago I was 64 years old and could ride really hard and recover
in hours. Now it is taking me a day or two to recover from a metric.
Even if I'm not pushing that hard. How bad do you suppose this is going
to get? I don't like doing all easy rides so that I can ride the next day.

Saddles are in the eye of the beholder but GCN seems to not mind just
about any saddle as long as it's light. I on the other had can tell 10
mm difference in saddle width and less than 4 in the roundness of the
saddle across the top.

What about you guys?

" What about you guys?"
Could I climb better ten years ago?
Yes.


Define better.

--
duane

The point wasn't if you could ride better when you were 30, it was how
far is the degradation going to go? All of the old coots I know are
younger than me except for a couple of 87 years olds. One of them can't
ride anymore at all and the other one won't even try a hard ride. Using
just those two data points doesn't give me any real information about how
bad my climbing in particular is going to get.



The point was I train more now than 10 years ago. The training makes up
somewhat for the aging.

30? That as more like 30 years ago so that doesn’t count.

--
duane

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 22:14:34 -0000 (UTC), Duane
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 5:26:55 PM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2019 4:46 PM, wrote:
I've been watching these guy's YouTube videos and other than the fact
that they are using tests to market sponsor's products they are pretty
good. Though I sure as hell could do without these guys flying to UAE to ride hills.

Some of the good points they covered is the fact that cadence is unique
to the individual but that the variations aren't all that large. That
Compact gearing is even being used by pro's with 11's or now even 10's
available for the small cog.

Standing while climbing which is certainly beating yourself up for no
other reason than to climb in a bigger gear.

What I would like to see from them is the old Look Delta Pedal vs the
new Look Deo Blade. The Delta is a large pedal and is difficult enough
to hit accurately especially on hills where you've slipped out of one of
the pedals. How does the Keo work in those conditions?

My Time and my Colnago are different generations and only weigh about
one lb different. Since my summer-winter weight varies perhaps 5 lbs it
isn't a weight problem but the Colnago rides SOOOO much better that
there is more to this position than seat height and knee-cap over pedal center business.

10 years ago I was 64 years old and could ride really hard and recover
in hours. Now it is taking me a day or two to recover from a metric.
Even if I'm not pushing that hard. How bad do you suppose this is going
to get? I don't like doing all easy rides so that I can ride the next day.

Saddles are in the eye of the beholder but GCN seems to not mind just
about any saddle as long as it's light. I on the other had can tell 10
mm difference in saddle width and less than 4 in the roundness of the
saddle across the top.

What about you guys?

" What about you guys?"
Could I climb better ten years ago?
Yes.


Define better.

--
duane

The point wasn't if you could ride better when you were 30, it was how
far is the degradation going to go? All of the old coots I know are
younger than me except for a couple of 87 years olds. One of them can't
ride anymore at all and the other one won't even try a hard ride. Using
just those two data points doesn't give me any real information about how
bad my climbing in particular is going to get.



The point was I train more now than 10 years ago. The training makes up
somewhat for the aging.

30? That as more like 30 years ago so that doesn’t count.

It is rather simple. One loses muscle mass as one grows older.
Everyone does, it is unenviable. So you train hard and gain back some
of the muscle fiber but the accumulative effect is still a loss.

--
Cheers,
John B.