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Conditions were a bit windy tonight
Alison and I were out warming up on the course and Simon was off number 2
and passed us looking very stylish and fast, nice low tuck, yellow cap
adding a touch of class to the outfit - Alison commented that he looked
smooth and fast
When we passed him on the turn he acknowledged us but didn't wave this time,
saving those precious seconds - the boy was on a mission
A nasty headwind on the way back slowed a lot of people down but Simon
rolled on looking smooth

At the finish, times were read out, I didn't hear Simons time but I did hear
the phrase "Bugger" waft across the group

People of uk.rec.cycling - you didn't try hard enough, there was not enough
will power from the group

30 mins 6 secs

Simon, come out with me for a few interval sessions and we will wipe those 6
seconds of the map!

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"Andrew" typed


Conditions were a bit windy tonight
Alison and I were out warming up on the course and Simon was off number 2
and passed us looking very stylish and fast, nice low tuck, yellow cap
adding a touch of class to the outfit - Alison commented that he looked
smooth and fast
When we passed him on the turn he acknowledged us but didn't wave this time,
saving those precious seconds - the boy was on a mission
A nasty headwind on the way back slowed a lot of people down but Simon
rolled on looking smooth

At the finish, times were read out, I didn't hear Simons time but I did hear
the phrase "Bugger" waft across the group

People of uk.rec.cycling - you didn't try hard enough, there was not enough
will power from the group

30 mins 6 secs

Simon, come out with me for a few interval sessions and we will wipe those 6
seconds of the map!



I did a 10 mile TT 10 years ago.
30 min, 2 seconds.

There was a lorry on the roundabout on the turn. I'd rather be alive...

I never bettered that time...

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

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"Andrew" wrote in message
...

People of uk.rec.cycling - you didn't try hard enough, there was not
enough
will power from the group

30 mins 6 secs


Not bad Simon, not bad.

Cheers, helen s

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30 mins 6 secs

Well done. Now you know that on a still day you could do it..

...d

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wafflycat wrote:

30 mins 6 secs


Not bad Simon, not bad.

Compared to whom ;-)

John B

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Andrew wrote:

30 mins 6 secs

Simon, come out with me for a few interval sessions and we will wipe those 6
seconds of the map!

A good time.
Now look for a course with some more caravans and lorries ;-)

John B

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"David Martin" wrote in message
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30 mins 6 secs

Well done. Now you know that on a still day you could do it..


And on a downhill course ...

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JohnB wrote:
wafflycat wrote:

30 mins 6 secs

Not bad Simon, not bad.

Compared to whom ;-)

Compared to himself, of course. The Race of Truth is against oneself as
much as the other riders. A PB is a significant achievement, but in
this case his satisfaction is marred by the narrowness of his failure
to achieve what is after all a purely arbitrary number. His average
speed was less than 67 thousandths of a mph slower than he wanted it to
be, and if he keeps plugging at it he'll certainly get there. An
improvement of only 1 mph will take him into the long 28s. I'm sure
he'll clock 28 something before too long.

Yes, I did note the smiley. :-)

--
Dave...

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dkahn400 wrote:
JohnB wrote:
wafflycat wrote:

30 mins 6 secs

Not bad Simon, not bad.

Compared to whom ;-)

Compared to himself, of course. The Race of Truth is against oneself as
much as the other riders.

one 'truth' hit me at the age of 40; the fact that I was never going
to make vet standard time. A tried and tested way of sorting the wheat
from the chaff.

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in message . com,
dkahn400 ') wrote:

JohnB wrote:
wafflycat wrote:

30 mins 6 secs

Not bad Simon, not bad.

Compared to whom ;-)

Compared to himself, of course. The Race of Truth is against oneself as
much as the other riders.

True. More so, in fact.

A PB is a significant achievement, but in
this case his satisfaction is marred by the narrowness of his failure
to achieve what is after all a purely arbitrary number. His average
speed was less than 67 thousandths of a mph slower than he wanted it to
be

Well, my times for that course for this year are as follows:

Apr 12, 2005 Simon Brooke 34:25
Apr 26, 2005 Simon Brooke 32:45
May 17, 2005 Simon Brooke 32:23
May 31, 2005 Simon Brooke 31:29
Jun 14, 2005 Simon Brooke 31:22
Jul 12, 2005 Simon Brooke 30:32
Aug 9, 2005 Simon Brooke 30:06

See
URL:http://www.stewartry-wheelers.org/wheelers/resultsearch?team=1&start=Craignair%20Bridge

My previous personal best was 32:26, so every ride this year I've
improved my time, and every ride since the 17th May I've set a new
personal best. It's just that

(i) Thirty minutes is now /so/ /close/, and
(ii) I'd really like to do thirty minutes before my fiftieth birthday,
which is getting close, and
(iii) certain soi-disant friends of mine have been winding me up
something rotten - whilst drinking my whisky!

Yesterday there seemed a very good chance of doing it, and I /just/
missed it - by 0.3%, and, you know, that's very frustrating. The
Craignair Bridge course is of our courses, the one I find easiest. It's
pretty nearly flat with only two small hills, as compared to our Borgue
course which starts straight up a bloody big one. We'll have at most two
or three more cracks at the Craignair course before my birthday.

and if he keeps plugging at it he'll certainly get there. An
improvement of only 1 mph will take him into the long 28s. I'm sure
he'll clock 28 something before too long.

Why, thank you kind sir.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; lovely alternative to rice.

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in message . com,
MartinM ') wrote:

dkahn400 wrote:

Compared to himself, of course. The Race of Truth is against oneself
as much as the other riders.

one 'truth' hit me at the age of 40; the fact that I was never going
to make vet standard time. A tried and tested way of sorting the wheat
from the chaff.

What is 'vet standard time'?

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; I'll have a proper rant later, when I get the time.

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Simon Brooke wrote:

Yesterday there seemed a very good chance of doing it, and I /just/
missed it

It's always the worst when you get so close to change the minute isn't it?
It's totally arbitary of course, but it gets me everytime as well!

course which starts straight up a bloody big one. We'll have at most two
or three more cracks at the Craignair course before my birthday.

Then I'd expect you to go under 30 mins before your birthday then.

Good luck!

Arthur

--
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The struggle of people against power is the struggle
of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera

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Simon Brooke wrote:
in message . com,
MartinM ') wrote:

dkahn400 wrote:

Compared to himself, of course. The Race of Truth is against oneself
as much as the other riders.

one 'truth' hit me at the age of 40; the fact that I was never going
to make vet standard time. A tried and tested way of sorting the wheat
from the chaff.

What is 'vet standard time'?

Hmm, you're asking now,from memory I think it's an average time that
riders do once over the age of 40; starts at 1.06.30 for a 25 at the
age of 40 IIRC and increases by 30s every year of age or therabouts;
www.rttc.org.uk should have it all. Most if not all TT's have a prize
for the vet who beats his/her standard time by the biggest margin.
Just to rub it in they often write the minus times (ie mine) in red in
the finish board. Watching my time go up in red was enough to convince
me to move on. But a lot of riders love it and more power to them; to
beat a PB is a great feeling, even though I only did it twice.

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"Simon Brooke" wrote in message
...


What is 'vet standard time'?


Something which one requires a doctorate in quantum mechanics to understand
;-)

The details are, IIRC correctly online at www.ctt.org.uk under
rider/officials' info and then veterans' target times.

Cheers, helen s

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MartinM wrote:

Simon Brooke wrote:

What is 'vet standard time'?

Hmm, you're asking now,from memory I think it's an average time that
riders do once over the age of 40; starts at 1.06.30 for a 25 at the
age of 40 IIRC and increases by 30s every year of age or therabouts;
www.rttc.org.uk should have it all.

Or even the vtta as he

http://www.vtta.org.uk/standard.html

It seems a 50 year old should be aiming to beat 27mins 33 secs.

There are even Standards for 109 year old riders :-0

I knew TT's were mainly for riders 'getting on a bit in years' but
....109 ...I mean...
Blimey.

John B

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"wafflycat" waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk wrote in message
...

The details are, IIRC correctly online at www.ctt.org.uk under
rider/officials' info and then veterans' target times.

At what level do the drug rules come into effect? I do find it amusing that
I would need a note from my GP in order to ride a TT - when would this be
necessary?

(not that I'm likely to)

cheers,
clive

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"Clive George" wrote in message
...


At what level do the drug rules come into effect? I do find it amusing
that I would need a note from my GP in order to ride a TT - when would
this be necessary?

(not that I'm likely to)

cheers,
clive


The UCI rules on banned substances apply to TT-ing, period, no matter what
level. The rules as regards a medical note from doctor are clear. I use an
inhaler periodically, so yes, even at my pathetically poor level of TT-ing,
I duly got a note from GP and lodged it with BCF. One has to set a good
example to one's offspring! I've made our GP aware of Nathan's sporting
interest and of where the UCI rules can be obtained. I asked that a note be
put on Nathan's records that if he requires any medical treatment, the
prescribing doc needs to know of the cycling situation and bear that in
mind.

Cheers, helen s

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Clive George wrote:

At what level do the drug rules come into effect?

As soon as you enter an event where the organising body has rules
relating to drugs.

I do find it amusing that
I would need a note from my GP in order to ride a TT - when would this be
necessary?

Doctors' notes are a bit of a joke within cycling circles, given those
that suddenly appear when cheats are caught.
"The EPO was for my aunt's sick dog" and similar excuses come to mind.

John B

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"JohnB" wrote in message
...
Clive George wrote:

At what level do the drug rules come into effect?

As soon as you enter an event where the organising body has rules
relating to drugs.

Oh well. I'm not going to bother my GP for the sake of a TT. Should I do
one, I'd probably not bother declaring my drug use - it's not as if I'm fast
enough for people to worry about.

Fortunately it seems trailquest people don't worry quite so much.

cheers,
clive

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in message , "wafflycat"
waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk ('') wrote:


"Simon Brooke" wrote in message
...


What is 'vet standard time'?


Something which one requires a doctorate in quantum mechanics to
understand ;-)

The details are, IIRC correctly online at www.ctt.org.uk under
rider/officials' info and then veterans' target times.

49 - 00:26:42

Hah! Nae chance!

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; "If I were a Microsoft Public Relations person, I would probably
;; be sobbing on a desk right now" -- Rob Miller, editor, /.

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in message , JohnB ') wrote:

MartinM wrote:

Simon Brooke wrote:

What is 'vet standard time'?

Hmm, you're asking now,from memory I think it's an average time that
riders do once over the age of 40; starts at 1.06.30 for a 25 at the
age of 40 IIRC and increases by 30s every year of age or therabouts;
www.rttc.org.uk should have it all.

Or even the vtta as he

http://www.vtta.org.uk/standard.html

It seems a 50 year old should be aiming to beat 27mins 33 secs.

Oh good, so they don't even agree, then?

CTT says 00:26:54
URL:http://www.cyclingtimetrials.nt-webspace.net/pages/resources/vets_targets_1.htm
And, as I say, nae chance. 27 and a half minutes looks a tad more
credible, but is still stretching it for me.


Never mind, I'm as fast as a 62 year old, apparently...

There are even Standards for 109 year old riders :-0

I knew TT's were mainly for riders 'getting on a bit in years' but
...109 ...I mean...
Blimey.

Old cyclists never die, they just get cranky...

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

There are no messages. The above is just a random stream of
bytes. Any opinion or meaning you find in it is your own creation.

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Arthur Clune wrote:
Simon Brooke wrote:

We'll have at most two or three more cracks at the Craignair
course before my birthday.

Then I'd expect you to go under 30 mins before your birthday then.

No question in my mind, barring injuries or ludicrously bad weather.

(Spits into hands, turns round 3 times, touches wood, mutters, "God
forbid.")

--
Dave...

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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:58:38 +0100, "Andrew"
wrote:

Conditions were a bit windy tonight
Alison and I were out warming up on the course and Simon was off number 2
and passed us looking very stylish and fast, nice low tuck, yellow cap
adding a touch of class to the outfit - Alison commented that he looked
smooth and fast
When we passed him on the turn he acknowledged us but didn't wave this time,
saving those precious seconds - the boy was on a mission
A nasty headwind on the way back slowed a lot of people down but Simon
rolled on looking smooth

At the finish, times were read out, I didn't hear Simons time but I did hear
the phrase "Bugger" waft across the group

People of uk.rec.cycling - you didn't try hard enough, there was not enough
will power from the group

30 mins 6 secs

Simon, come out with me for a few interval sessions and we will wipe those 6
seconds of the map!

What is the average vertical distance climbed per mile for these
courses?

I checked the VTTA site, but couldn't find any details about the
actual courses.

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Simon Brooke wrote:


Well, my times for that course for this year are as follows:

Apr 12, 2005 Simon Brooke 34:25
Apr 26, 2005 Simon Brooke 32:45
May 17, 2005 Simon Brooke 32:23
May 31, 2005 Simon Brooke 31:29
Jun 14, 2005 Simon Brooke 31:22
Jul 12, 2005 Simon Brooke 30:32
Aug 9, 2005 Simon Brooke 30:06


Look on the bright side. Continuing with that rate of improvement, I
reckon by Christmas 2007 you will be finishing before you started ;-)

--
Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon

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JohnB wrote:
Clive George wrote:

At what level do the drug rules come into effect?

As soon as you enter an event where the organising body has rules
relating to drugs.


Googling a bit about Tom Simpson has revealed a fairly heavy conspiracy
of silence about doping, and a lot of unpleasant mud slinging by people
who should know better. Personally I think doping in cycling needs to
be kicked firmly out into the open and the gutter.

Someone once justified doping to me on the basis that if I wasn't
feeling too good but had to go to work I would take something, so
professional cyclists were Ok to do it as their livelihood depended on
it; fortunately a minority view.

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"MartinM" wrote in message
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JohnB wrote:
Clive George wrote:

At what level do the drug rules come into effect?

As soon as you enter an event where the organising body has rules
relating to drugs.

Googling a bit about Tom Simpson has revealed a fairly heavy conspiracy
of silence about doping, and a lot of unpleasant mud slinging by people
who should know better. Personally I think doping in cycling needs to
be kicked firmly out into the open and the gutter.

See also Graham Obree's comments on the matter.

I'm not talking about doping though. I'm talking about stuff people take to
stay alive (literally).

cheers,
clive

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in message , Chas
') wrote:

On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:58:38 +0100, "Andrew"
wrote:

Conditions were a bit windy tonight
Alison and I were out warming up on the course and Simon was off number
2 and passed us looking very stylish and fast, nice low tuck, yellow
cap
adding a touch of class to the outfit - Alison commented that he
looked smooth and fast
When we passed him on the turn he acknowledged us but didn't wave this
time,
saving those precious seconds - the boy was on a mission
A nasty headwind on the way back slowed a lot of people down but Simon
rolled on looking smooth

At the finish, times were read out, I didn't hear Simons time but I did
hear the phrase "Bugger" waft across the group

People of uk.rec.cycling - you didn't try hard enough, there was not
enough will power from the group

30 mins 6 secs

Simon, come out with me for a few interval sessions and we will wipe
those 6 seconds of the map!

What is the average vertical distance climbed per mile for these
courses?

I don't know about 'these courses' but 'this course' is from here
URL:http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=282300&y=560395&z=4
to he
URL:http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=280165&y=553635&z=4
and return. As it's an 'out and back' course there's obviously no net
climb but as you can see there are small hills at Kirkennan and at
Screel. I'm told that there are a lot of time trial courses,
particularly in the south of England, which are on busy trunk-road dual
carriageways, so I can't tell you whether ours is in any way typical.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth
;; knowledge increaseth sorrow.." - Ecclesiastes 1:18

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Clive George wrote:


See also Graham Obree's comments on the matter.

links please?

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"MartinM" wrote in message
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Clive George wrote:


See also Graham Obree's comments on the matter.

links please?

Sorry, don't have any. It's mentioned in his book. When he joined a pro
squad, he was expected to put up a couple of grand for 'medication' or
somesuch. He didn't, and left not much later.

cheers,
clive

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Simon Brooke wrote:

As it's an 'out and back' course there's obviously no net
climb

but still climbs and falls en route surely even if it ends up at the
same place. Not sure how a TT qualifies as hilly; for an audax it needs
to be a minimum of 1500m in 100km but probably a lot less for a TT. As
most TT courses were devised in about 1492 there must be a fairly old
fashioned formula for calculating them.

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Clive George wrote:
"MartinM" wrote in message
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Clive George wrote:


See also Graham Obree's comments on the matter.

links please?

Sorry, don't have any. It's mentioned in his book. When he joined a pro
squad, he was expected to put up a couple of grand for 'medication' or
somesuch. He didn't, and left not much later.


Thanks, will dig out a copy. "Put me back on my bike" is my holiday
reading.

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JohnB wrote:

MartinM wrote:

Simon Brooke wrote:

What is 'vet standard time'?

Hmm, you're asking now,from memory I think it's an average time that
riders do once over the age of 40; starts at 1.06.30 for a 25 at the
age of 40 IIRC and increases by 30s every year of age or therabouts;
www.rttc.org.uk should have it all.

Or even the vtta as he

http://www.vtta.org.uk/standard.html

It seems a 50 year old should be aiming to beat 27mins 33 secs.

These figures dont look too convincing to me - the 10mile time for a
40yo is 25:30, with the 25mile time being 1h6m.
I know if I tried, i could do 1h6m for the 25, but the 10 mile time is
completely out of my league - I've never beaten 26:30.
Alan.


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A.Lee wrote:
JohnB wrote:

MartinM wrote:

Simon Brooke wrote:

What is 'vet standard time'?

Hmm, you're asking now,from memory I think it's an average time that
riders do once over the age of 40; starts at 1.06.30 for a 25 at the
age of 40 IIRC and increases by 30s every year of age or therabouts;
www.rttc.org.uk should have it all.

Or even the vtta as he

http://www.vtta.org.uk/standard.html

It seems a 50 year old should be aiming to beat 27mins 33 secs.

These figures dont look too convincing to me - the 10mile time for a
40yo is 25:30, with the 25mile time being 1h6m.
I know if I tried, i could do 1h6m for the 25, but the 10 mile time is
completely out of my league - I've never beaten 26:30.

believe me they are right, I have had -3 mins as a 40yo. Apprently to
win a middlemarkers trophy you need to go under 24 for a 10.

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the 10 mile time is completely out of my league

Probably not - it's only 0.8 mph (or 3.5%) faster than the speed for
the 25 miles.

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Nae chance!

Extending the series you gave in the other post, I'd say you'll hit
26:42 on 28 March 2006

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iakobski wrote:
Nae chance!

Extending the series you gave in the other post, I'd say you'll hit
26:42 on 28 March 2006

It isn't linear. The effort required is related to the third power of
the speed (due to it being air resistance[1]) so will not progress
linearly.

...d

[1] Except in my case when it is clearly related to cakes as it is a
slightly rolling TT course. Must look up the dates for the rest of this
year and do a ten at some point.

...d

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It isn't linear. snip technical mumbo jumbo

Thanks Prof. I'd sort of guessed it isn't linear, otherwise Simon would
exceed the speed of light before his 90th birthday. Over small
increments, his historical improvement has been close to linear, so
perhaps his power output has increased with the third power of the date?

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MartinM wrote:

but still climbs and falls en route surely even if it ends up at the
same place. Not sure how a TT qualifies as hilly; for an audax it
needs to be a minimum of 1500m in 100km but probably a lot less for a
TT. As most TT courses were devised in about 1492 there must be a
fairly old fashioned formula for calculating them.

I expect furlongs are involved somewhere...

--
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And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And
the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries
of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and
to them it is the holocaust."

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Dave Larrington wrote:
MartinM wrote:


but still climbs and falls en route surely even if it ends up at the
same place. Not sure how a TT qualifies as hilly; for an audax it
needs to be a minimum of 1500m in 100km but probably a lot less for a
TT. As most TT courses were devised in about 1492 there must be a
fairly old fashioned formula for calculating them.


I expect furlongs are involved somewhere...

Usually as in, 'this race has gone on furlong enough.'

R.

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MartinM wrote:
Simon Brooke wrote:

As it's an 'out and back' course there's obviously no net
climb

but still climbs and falls en route surely even if it ends up at
the same place.

Theoretically any amount of undulation works against the rider as you
can never quite get back on the downs what you lose on the ups.
However, there is, or at any rate used to be, a small degree of freedom
in what exactly constitutes "out and back". The fast F4 course I did
most of my 10s on as a schoolboy started from a slip road onto a dual
carriageway near the top of a longish hill that was steepest near the
top. The finish was by a road sign in the opposite carriageway but was
about 200 yards short of it. So the start was a short, steep, downhill
sprint followed by a long gentle downhill, then a longish flat bit,
while the finish was a longish flat bit followed by a long gentle
uphill, followed by almost no steep uphill.

--
Dave...