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Mason Verdict ( a sober review )
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Mason Verdict ( a sober review )
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end of the matter. |
Mason Verdict ( a sober review )
On 15.04.2017 13:12, JNugent wrote:
On 14/04/2017 17:35, wrote: On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote: http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end of the matter. Indeed. But the way in which that happened - culminating in the jury each individually rejecting the prosecution "case" without any need for persuasion of jurors with outlyer views - is worthy of note. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Yes. The car hit the bicyclist on the driver's side. What was the bicyclist doing so far away from the left side of the road? I suppose we will never know. |
Mason Verdict ( a sober review )
On 14/04/2017 17:35, wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote: http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end of the matter. Of course it isn't. The law clearly isn't protecting cyclists from negligent drivers. Anyone who cycles will know that selfish and dangerous driving is common. More needs to be done. An obvious start would be a requirement for cars to be fitted with camera recording equipment so that juries can see the truth. At the moment reasonable doubt means careless and aggressive motorists can hide behind a defence of bad luck or an isolated incident. |
Mason Verdict ( a sober review )
On 17/04/2017 10:38, Nick wrote:
On 14/04/2017 17:35, wrote: On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote: http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end of the matter. Of course it isn't. The law clearly isn't protecting cyclists from negligent drivers. Anyone who cycles will know that selfish and dangerous driving is common. Anyone with eyes sees the disgraceful habits of the average cyclist, it is not surprising in the least that some of the cyclists get run over. If cyclists cleaned up their own behaviour the casualty rate would plummet. |
Mason Verdict ( a sober review )
On 17/04/2017 10:45, MrCheerful wrote:
Anyone with eyes sees the disgraceful habits of the average cyclist, it is not surprising in the least that some of the cyclists get run over. If cyclists cleaned up their own behaviour the casualty rate would plummet. Yep, that is right if cyclists were more careful there would be a lot less bruises and road rash. If car drivers were more careful there would be a lower risk of cyclist fatality, more cyclists, less congestion, less pollution, better health. |
Mason Verdict ( a sober review )
On 17/04/2017 11:11, Nick wrote:
On 17/04/2017 10:45, MrCheerful wrote: Anyone with eyes sees the disgraceful habits of the average cyclist, it is not surprising in the least that some of the cyclists get run over. If cyclists cleaned up their own behaviour the casualty rate would plummet. Yep, that is right if cyclists were more careful there would be a lot less bruises and road rash. If car drivers were more careful there would be a lower risk of cyclist fatality, more cyclists, less congestion, less pollution, better health. Casualties include deaths. Until cycling can be seen by the general public to be safe it will not be seen as desirable, the existing cyclists need to improve, until then they will continue to suffer attrition, and ostracism. |
Mason Verdict ( a sober review )
On 17/04/2017 10:38, Nick wrote:
On 14/04/2017 17:35, wrote: On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote: http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end of the matter. Of course it isn't. Actually, it is. That's the way that criminal trials work in civilised countries. Even ill-advised private prosecutions brought maliciously. The law clearly isn't protecting cyclists from negligent drivers. Which negligent driver are you talking about in the instant case? Anyone who cycles will know that selfish and dangerous driving is common. Anyone who drives or walks will know that selfish and dangerous cycling is exceptionally common. More needs to be done. An obvious start would be a requirement for cars to be fitted with camera recording equipment so that juries can see the truth. At the moment reasonable doubt means careless and aggressive motorists can hide behind a defence of bad luck or an isolated incident. What did the deceased cyclist's camera reveal? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
Mason Verdict ( a sober review )
On 17/04/17 14:23, JNugent wrote:
On 17/04/2017 10:38, Nick wrote: Anyone who cycles will know that selfish and dangerous driving is common. Anyone who drives or walks will know that selfish and dangerous cycling is exceptionally common. I don't know this. It should be clear to anyone that walks that the greatest demand on survival skills comes from staying out of the way of motor vehicles. More needs to be done. An obvious start would be a requirement for cars to be fitted with camera recording equipment so that juries can see the truth. At the moment reasonable doubt means careless and aggressive motorists can hide behind a defence of bad luck or an isolated incident. What did the deceased cyclist's camera reveal? The obvious lesson is to have one (or two). |
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