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On 08/08/18 21:38, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:17:51 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 20:43, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:20:56 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

*It is a special case when stationary.
*Why are you making so much fuss about the "correct use of a horn"?
OCD is a DISORDER.* Get it fixed.

Why do you make so much fuss about "correct use of a indicators"?* OCD
is a DISORDER.* Get it fixed.

Perhaps you mean something like this? It is is harder seen from a
driver's perspective than from a high mounted camera. No need.
Adjust speed according to what can be seen.
*https://goo.gl/maps/9MSMX69BxzM2 https://goo.gl/maps/R48YMSxzjQk
*Incidentally, the bridge has a 2t mgw limit so several drivers
shown here are breaking the rules - plus many others plus a council
official with a Range Rover that knows full well.
*WTF are you on about?* I can clearly see what's coming the other way,
*that is not a blind bridge whatsoever.* Unless it's because the
camera is higher up than most drivers.

Cast your eyes up a few lines...

Try waffling less.* So what was your point?* I never hoot at those.* I
just slow down.

I said above "It is is harder seen from a driver's perspective than from
a high mounted camera" and "no need" [to hoot].

Then you pondered about the height of the camera. Don't complain about
waffle when you can't follow through properly.

If the horn was not so unpleasant, the administrators that defined
the 90dbA standard understood physics and the pad on the steering
wheel was force sensing to allow the driver to add expression it
might be more acceptable.
*What do you mean?* Are you suggesting it should be louder if you
press harder?

Quieter if tapped softly.

That would just make them go unnoticed.
A horn should always be as loud
as possible to inform the arsehole that he failed to drive correctly.

Shrug. If that is what you want then press it normally.

Stolen Bike
 

On 08/08/18 21:42, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:09:45 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 20:44, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:41:27 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 19:21, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:24:39 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 07/08/18 18:29, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:27:28 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

It is intended only to alert other road-users to one's presence.
Er no. It means "You ****ing arsehole, why the hell didn't you
indicate?!"
*A horn conveys no information so how are your targets supposed to
know what your problem is?
*Well let me see, Mr Smith turns right at a roundabout without
indicating, and someone correctly pulls in front of him, then
sounds their horn when they see he's about to collide with them.
He can then look up the highway code or whatever and find out why
the other car had the right of way.

Just because Mr Smith is not indicating right it is not correct for
AN Other to pull out on a whim. Too many hims and thems. Explain who
is doing what and who ends up in front of whom.
*If you don't indicate right at a roundabout, you do not have the
right to turn right.* WTF are you doing turning without informing
other road users as to where you intend to go?

When following marked lanes indication is not necessary. Indication is
only useful when making lane changes or where there is ambiguity. And
I live in the south east where most people adapt to cope with each
others' behaviour without going into a hissy fit at every opportunity.

Please explain your scenario in more detail.

Now think of a roundabout without lanes.* Or maybe one with two entry
lanes and three exits.* And don't assume that cars at the other side can
tell what lane you're in.

Still not enough information. Every roundabout is different. No mention
of timing and you don't say which driver ends up aiming at the other
driver's doors.

No indicator means you're going straight
ahead, end of story.

Straight on from where? Once a roundabout is more than a certain size
the relationship between entry and exit becomes completely irrelevant.

You seem to be just trying to make a point rather than trying to work
out how to use a roundabout in the most efficient way for the
circumstances you find at the time.

It is not intended to convey the message: "Get out of my way
or there might be a crash". I such circumstances, you are
supposed to slow down or stop.
I don't, I drive as close as possible to the vehicle without
touching them, this scares them into not doing it again,
*Have you ever followed up the result of your education with the
individuals concerned?
*Yes, I often have people banging on my door yelling at me. I had a
bus driver sacked for doing just that, after not indicating and
deciding he had priority over cars at a junction.

So the answer is that you don't know that your education works.
*Try that again in English.

It's good enough.

I told you that a bus driver was sacked due to his inabilities.* And you
reply with the nonsense, "So the answer is that you don't know that your
education works" - what is that supposed to mean?

A sacking is not evidence of altered behaviour.

Troll-feeding Senile Idiot Alert!
 

On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:05:01 +0100, TMS320, the moronic troll-feeding senile
idiot, blabbered again:

FLUSH the senile cretin's senile drivel

Gee... yet another senile braindead idiot who doesn't get what's going on!
tsk

Troll-feeding Senile Idiot Alert!
 

On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:04:45 +0100, TMS320, the moronic troll-feeding senile
idiot, blabbered again:

Try waffling less.* So what was your point?* I never hoot at those.* I
just slow down.

I said above

Nobody gives a ****, senile one! Not even the troll that thrives on your
feeding him! Idiot!

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its debbie's foot

Who is Debbie and how many feet is her foot?

9

Doesn't that make her tread on her own toes?

I wear a 10 1/2.
Size is not equal to length of foot in feet.

yes it is

Anyone with a 10.5 foot foot would only be able to get work as a
clown.

my foot size is 10 1/2" in size
" isn't feet.
' is feet.


i foot is one foot ,
two feet is two feet ,
when you catch a fish ,
one foot is three feet

There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking
like
an idiot.

I have excitement.

Is your rod erect?

what kind of rod?

I don't want to examine your tool that closely.


try some bait on the end on your line

you mean like a blurted word?

Stolen Bike
 

On 08.08.2018 20:24, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:44:19 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 07.08.2018 19:24, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 09:17:53 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 06.08.2018 20:02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:16:17 +0100, Bod wrote:


He can afford a car yet uses a bicycle, that's gross stupidity.
Â*Thanks greatly for the excellent compliment coming from YOU.
My bike is an excellent convenient healthy exhilarating
convenient economical viable means of transport.
It really is a very great compliment to be called grossly stupid
by YOU.
Especially by YOU.
And I have no ****ing interest in looking good in YOUR eyes.
After all I ride a bicycle.
And we all know what YOU think of bicyclists. You think they are
the ****witted pits of humanity.
And because it is YOU who think that,Â* that is an extremely great
compliment.
We must be doing something right.

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers, as
if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could never
cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research, people who
cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are also
disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be well
educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per year and
shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report, Bicycles in the
UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey

Â*I guess the Guardian is wrong then, or cyclists wouldn't yell at
drivers all the time.
I don't yell at drivers all the time.
I use my voice like a car uses (or is supposed to use) a horn; as a
warning that unless someone does some kind of avoiding manoeuvre, a
clash may happen.
Note, it is only an indecipherable shout; not an oath or plashemy or
foul language or insult or something.
Â*Funny, I've never had to yell at a motorist on my bike, maybe you
should cycle more carefully?

I sometimes have to, but usually I find I am acknowledging their
courtesy.
Maybe that is why I am still alive and uninjured.

Why would you yell to acknowledge courtesy?

There is the word 'but' in there somewhere.

Stolen Bike
 

On 08.08.2018 20:25, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:47:18 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 07.08.2018 19:23, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 17:58:57 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 07/08/2018 15:44, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 15:34, Bod wrote:
On 07/08/2018 15:28, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 09:20, Bod wrote:

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and
drivers, as if the two groups were such polar opposites that
they could never cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new
research, people who cycle the most are likely to own at least
two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are
also disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers,
be well educated, have a household income of at least £50,000
per year and shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel
report, Bicycles in the UK 2010. In addition, they are twice
as likely to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey

I just use a bike mostly because it is most convenient, I love
the fresh air and feeling of movement and exercise, and ....
Owning a car and being rich has nothing to do with it.
Â*
Â* Of course, money is irellevant.

Is it?

So why did you mention it?
Â*
Â* I didn't.Â* I just showed you a report from a link, which was
basically the reporter's opinions.
Â*That's an entertaining wriggle.
Â*
Â* State where I mentioned money!
Â*You quoted a foul mouthed **** faced whining little journalist.
Journalists should never ever be trusted.

That is why when I watch news programmes I concentrate on the rolling
ticker=tape at the bottom. That is just news without comment. I can do
without the comments and bloody interviews and all that.

Anybody who pays for news is contributing to the slimy little ****es.
One day soon they'll all go out of business.
Unfortunately no.
There e two many people hanging on every word of foul commentary they
can that the news stations make heaps from the associated advertising
they can sell.

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On 08.08.2018 20:26, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:45:07 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 07.08.2018 10:20, Bod wrote:

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers, as
if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could never
cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research, people who
cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are also
disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be well
educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per year and
shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report, Bicycles in the
UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey

I just use a bike mostly because it is most convenient, I love the
fresh air and feeling of movement and exercise, and ....
Owning a car and being rich has nothing to do with it.
Â*
Â* Of course, money is irellevant.

Of course. Exactly.

I enjoy cycling in the countryside.Â* Cycling on roads isn't enjoyable.

I find it is. Very enjoyable.

Stolen Bike
 

On 08.08.2018 21:23, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
you silly little pansy.

I take that as a real compliment coming from YOU.

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:16:33 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 08.08.2018 21:23, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
you silly little pansy.

I take that as a real compliment coming from YOU.

Look, if you want to ask me out, just say so. How big is the bulge in
your lycra shorts?

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:13:37 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 08.08.2018 20:26, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:45:07 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 07.08.2018 10:20, Bod wrote:

Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers, as
if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could never
cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research, people who
cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are also
disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be well
educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per year and
shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report, Bicycles in the
UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to be men as women..

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey
I just use a bike mostly because it is most convenient, I love the
fresh air and feeling of movement and exercise, and ....
Owning a car and being rich has nothing to do with it.

Of course, money is irellevant.

Of course. Exactly.
I enjoy cycling in the countryside. Cycling on roads isn't enjoyable.

I find it is. Very enjoyable.

Roads are for cars.

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:12:43 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 08.08.2018 20:25, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:47:18 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 07.08.2018 19:23, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 17:58:57 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 07/08/2018 15:44, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 15:34, Bod wrote:
On 07/08/2018 15:28, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 09:20, Bod wrote:

Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and
drivers, as if the two groups were such polar opposites that
they could never cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new
research, people who cycle the most are likely to own at least
two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are
also disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers,
be well educated, have a household income of at least £50,000
per year and shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel
report, Bicycles in the UK 2010. In addition, they are twice
as likely to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey
I just use a bike mostly because it is most convenient, I love
the fresh air and feeling of movement and exercise, and ....
Owning a car and being rich has nothing to do with it.

Of course, money is irellevant.

Is it?

So why did you mention it?

I didn't. I just showed you a report from a link, which was
basically the reporter's opinions.
That's an entertaining wriggle.

State where I mentioned money!
You quoted a foul mouthed **** faced whining little journalist.
Journalists should never ever be trusted.

That is why when I watch news programmes I concentrate on the rolling
ticker=tape at the bottom. That is just news without comment. I can do
without the comments and bloody interviews and all that.
Anybody who pays for news is contributing to the slimy little ****es..
One day soon they'll all go out of business.
Unfortunately no.
There e two many people hanging on every word of foul commentary they
can that the news stations make heaps from the associated advertising
they can sell.

I disagree. A lot of them are starting to beg for payment or stopping us
using adblockers, they're in financial trouble.

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:09:34 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 08.08.2018 20:24, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:44:19 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 07.08.2018 19:24, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 09:17:53 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 06.08.2018 20:02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:16:17 +0100, Bod
wrote:


He can afford a car yet uses a bicycle, that's gross stupidity..
Thanks greatly for the excellent compliment coming from YOU.
My bike is an excellent convenient healthy exhilarating
convenient economical viable means of transport.
It really is a very great compliment to be called grossly stupid
by YOU.
Especially by YOU.
And I have no ****ing interest in looking good in YOUR eyes.
After all I ride a bicycle.
And we all know what YOU think of bicyclists. You think they are
the ****witted pits of humanity.
And because it is YOU who think that, that is an extremely great
compliment.
We must be doing something right.

Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers, as
if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could never
cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research, people who
cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are also
disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be well
educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per year and
shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report, Bicycles in the
UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to be men as women.

Stolen Bike
 

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:05:01 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 21:42, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:09:45 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 20:44, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:41:27 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 19:21, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:24:39 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 07/08/18 18:29, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:27:28 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

It is intended only to alert other road-users to one's presence.
Er no. It means "You ****ing arsehole, why the hell didn't you
indicate?!"
A horn conveys no information so how are your targets supposed to
know what your problem is?
Well let me see, Mr Smith turns right at a roundabout without
indicating, and someone correctly pulls in front of him, then
sounds their horn when they see he's about to collide with them.
He can then look up the highway code or whatever and find out why
the other car had the right of way.

Just because Mr Smith is not indicating right it is not correct for
AN Other to pull out on a whim. Too many hims and thems. Explain who
is doing what and who ends up in front of whom.
If you don't indicate right at a roundabout, you do not have the
right to turn right. WTF are you doing turning without informing
other road users as to where you intend to go?

When following marked lanes indication is not necessary. Indication is
only useful when making lane changes or where there is ambiguity. And
I live in the south east where most people adapt to cope with each
others' behaviour without going into a hissy fit at every opportunity.

Please explain your scenario in more detail.
Now think of a roundabout without lanes. Or maybe one with two entry
lanes and three exits. And don't assume that cars at the other side
can tell what lane you're in.

Still not enough information. Every roundabout is different. No mention
of timing and you don't say which driver ends up aiming at the other
driver's doors.

This is precisely why everyone should indicate.

No indicator means you're going straight ahead, end of story.

Straight on from where? Once a roundabout is more than a certain size
the relationship between entry and exit becomes completely irrelevant.

You seem to be just trying to make a point rather than trying to work
out how to use a roundabout in the most efficient way for the
circumstances you find at the time.

Depending on the size, I indicate left when I leave, and indicate right if
I'm going around it a fair distance.

It is not intended to convey the message: "Get out of my way
or there might be a crash". I such circumstances, you are
supposed to slow down or stop.
I don't, I drive as close as possible to the vehicle without
touching them, this scares them into not doing it again,
Have you ever followed up the result of your education with the
individuals concerned?
Yes, I often have people banging on my door yelling at me. I had a
bus driver sacked for doing just that, after not indicating and
deciding he had priority over cars at a junction.

So the answer is that you don't know that your education works.
Try that again in English.

It's good enough.
I told you that a bus driver was sacked due to his inabilities. And
you reply with the nonsense, "So the answer is that you don't know that
your education works" - what is that supposed to mean?

A sacking is not evidence of altered behaviour.

Well it's altered the average behaviour of local bus drivers, because we
have one less aggressive ****.

Stolen Bike
 

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:04:45 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 21:38, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:17:51 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 20:43, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:20:56 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

It is a special case when stationary.
Why are you making so much fuss about the "correct use of a horn"?
OCD is a DISORDER. Get it fixed.

Why do you make so much fuss about "correct use of a indicators"? OCD
is a DISORDER. Get it fixed.

Perhaps you mean something like this? It is is harder seen from a
driver's perspective than from a high mounted camera. No need.
Adjust speed according to what can be seen.
https://goo.gl/maps/9MSMX69BxzM2 https://goo.gl/maps/R48YMSxzjQk
Incidentally, the bridge has a 2t mgw limit so several drivers
shown here are breaking the rules - plus many others plus a council
official with a Range Rover that knows full well.
WTF are you on about? I can clearly see what's coming the other way,
that is not a blind bridge whatsoever. Unless it's because the
camera is higher up than most drivers.

Cast your eyes up a few lines...
Try waffling less. So what was your point? I never hoot at those. I
just slow down.

I said above "It is is harder seen from a driver's perspective than from
a high mounted camera" and "no need" [to hoot].

Then you pondered about the height of the camera. Don't complain about
waffle when you can't follow through properly.

Why did you post a meaningless link with the image taken from the wrong
angle?

If the horn was not so unpleasant, the administrators that defined
the 90dbA standard understood physics and the pad on the steering
wheel was force sensing to allow the driver to add expression it
might be more acceptable.
What do you mean? Are you suggesting it should be louder if you
press harder?

Quieter if tapped softly.
That would just make them go unnoticed. A horn should always be as
loud as possible to inform the arsehole that he failed to drive
correctly.

Shrug. If that is what you want then press it normally.

I don't have the option to change the volume.

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its debbie's foot

Who is Debbie and how many feet is her foot?

9

Doesn't that make her tread on her own toes?

I wear a 10 1/2.
Size is not equal to length of foot in feet.

yes it is

Anyone with a 10.5 foot foot would only be able to get work as a
clown.

my foot size is 10 1/2" in size
" isn't feet.
' is feet.


i foot is one foot ,
two feet is two feet ,
when you catch a fish ,
one foot is three feet

There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking
like
an idiot.

I have excitement.

Is your rod erect?

what kind of rod?

I don't want to examine your tool that closely.

I kind of just said that. I apologize if it is too loosely.

It shouldn't be loose when you're excited.

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 05:58:59 +0100, David wrote:

its debbie's foot

Who is Debbie and how many feet is her foot?

9

Doesn't that make her tread on her own toes?

I wear a 10 1/2.
Size is not equal to length of foot in feet.

yes it is

Do you have $34?

I'm in the original country, where we use £.

I have a link.

That's a very arbitrary comment.

its my website, www.saintdavid.me

Spelling mistake on the first page, oh dear.

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On 08/08/2018 19:20, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 16:28, JNugent wrote:
On 08/08/2018 15:24, TMS320 wrote:
On 07/08/18 15:27, JNugent wrote:

Since horns are rarely, if ever, used for their legallt-intended
purpose, my view - for a long time - has been that rather than being
a C&U requirement, they should be banned except for the ones used on
official emergency vehicles.

I once used horn to try and stop a van driver from reversing
into me. The HC seems to allow that.

Alerting him to your presence is the specific purpose of a horn; that
much has been said already.

It is a special case when stationary.

Using the horn for its proper purpose is a very rare occurrence.

It's hard to escape the conclusion that you're just supposed to stop
in order to avoid a collision.

The original HC in the 1930's said "sounding your horn does not give
you right of way or absolve you from the duty of taking every
precaution to avoid an accident". Unfortunately this seems to have
disappeared from the modern version. "warn[ing] other road users of
your presence" is not particularly helpful.

There's still the law about driving without due care and attention
and/or without due consideration for other road users.

The requirement that a horn should not be used when stationary
seems a bit strange because (offhand) I can't think of a circumstance
nowadays where the horn could be useful while moving. Perhaps the
requirement came from the days when motor vehicles were hard to
control and there were few of them so people were not used to their
presence. Now, people use roads with the full expectation that
something big and fast operated by a psychopath is round the next
corner. Also, bulb air horns were more acceptable than the nasty
electric objects fitted today.

The obvious use whilst moving would be when approaching ths "summit"
of a hump-backed bridge or a sharp bend.

Perhaps you mean something like this? It is is harder seen from a
driver's perspective than from a high mounted camera. No need. Adjust
speed according to what can be seen.

https://goo.gl/maps/9MSMX69BxzM2

Not hump-backed enough to need it. You can easily see traffic
approaching from the opposite direction, even if driving a Triumph Spitfire.

In order for the horn-sounding to be even semi-valid, the bridge really
needs to be a narrowing of the road as well (which the Italian one was).

https://goo.gl/maps/R48YMSxzjQk

That one is narrow, but you can still see the oncoming traffic. Sounding
the horn would not serve a useful purpose.

Incidentally, the bridge has a 2t mgw limit so several drivers shown
here are breaking the rules - plus many others plus a council official
with a Range Rover that knows full well.

There's no sign saying so. Is this an older Google photo?

A multi-storey car-park near here had a down-ramp with a give way line
at the bottom of it, with the posibility of traffic approaching from
the left. A sign on the wall said "Sound Horn". I never did.

Weird.

Exactly. I bet someone thought it was clever, though.

There were houses near the location and the occupants were as entitled
to reasonable efforts to keep down noise as anyone else is.

Well done you.

Likewise, an Italian friend used to sound his car horn on a
hump-backed bridge near his village. But the bridge had a house
adjacent to it. He would never listen to my remonstrations; I gained
the impression that he...

[...revelled in it.]

Sorry, missed that out last time.

On a bicycle, the voice can be useful because the approach behind
pedestrians or horse riders is otherwise silent. When there is
insufficient clearance to get past without having their awareness I
always slow to match their speed before announcing my presence.

That sort of sounds OK and in keeping with the HC instructions on
motor-vehicle horns.

Except motor vehicles already make so much noise that they don't require
embellishment. Making pedestrians aware of my presence when I approach
behind them isn't needed in the car as it is on the bike.

I still believe that it would be better if car-horns were simply
banned. The nuisance caused by mis-use far outweighs the weight of the
odd anecdotal case for their use for safety-related purposes.

Indeed. At most, such "safety-related purposes" could only cover small
insurance claims and can't possibly have effect on personal safety.

If the horn was not so unpleasant, the administrators that defined the
90dbA standard understood physics and the pad on the steering wheel was
force sensing to allow the driver to add expression it might be more
acceptable.

Is that the C&U standard? I never knew that.

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On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 17:16:33 +0200, Peter Keller, another braindead,
troll-feeding moron, blathered:

you silly little pansy.

I take that as a real compliment coming from YOU.

You wish, senile moron! ALL you take is his absolutely silly and idiotic
baits!

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On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 17:09:34 +0200, Peter Keller, another braindead,
troll-feeding idiot, blabbered:



Why would you yell to acknowledge courtesy?

There is the word 'but' in there somewhere.

There's no "but" about it that you are a troll-feeding idiot!

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On Sat, 04 Aug 2018 10:07:47 +0100, Peter Keller
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On 03.08.2018 21:03, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 10:56:31 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 02.08.2018 15:52, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 10:45:56 +0100, Peter Keller
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On 01.08.2018 13:46, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 10:49:07 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 31.07.2018 13:02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:02:26 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 30.07.2018 12:14, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 09:50:07 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 29.07.2018 12:01, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 09:59:25 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 28.07.2018 13:42, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 11:33:55 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 27.07.2018 14:22, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 09:26:22 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 26.07.2018 15:19, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:40:21 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 25.07.2018 21:44, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 09:33:52 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 24.07.2018 15:05, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:37:47 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 23.07.2018 23:03, JNugent wrote:
On 23/07/2018 20:05, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 20:19:09 +0100, Peter Keller

wrote:

On 22.07.2018 18:23, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 15:20:43 +0100, Peter
Keller
wrote:

On 21.07.2018 22:09, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 20:46:42 +0100, Peter
Keller
wrote:

On 21.07.2018 21:21, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:46:19 +0100,
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:

On 7/21/2018 9:33 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 14:23:36 +0100,
Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee

wrote:

Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:
On 7/21/2018 6:07 AM, Bruce 'Not Glug'
Lee wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 22:28:50 +0100,
Peter Keller

wrote:
On 20.07.2018 21:24, Jimmy
Wilkinson Knife wrote:

Why would an adult let an anywho
ride their bike?

Hitler.

Your answer makes no grammatical
sense. You can't answer a
why with a
pronoun.

'Hitler' isn't a pronoun. It's a
noun.

It's a personal pronoun, you dummies..

No it isn't. It is a proper noun.
Just as all names are.

Personal pronouns are 'he', 'she',
'they' etc.
Who gives a ****? The point is the
answer was nonsensical.

More fool you.
LOL
The only fool is the one who can't write
in English.

Bullenscheiße.
Changing language doesn't make your answer
any more correct.

I reaaly do not cares abowt sumthing cawld
Grammer.

That yew sae that mau grammer iz nott corect
iz fore mi u complement.
Espeshalli az it cumz from YEW!!
You sound like a drunk Glaswegian. Actually,
nevermind the drunk,
they're like that anyway.

Thanks greatly for the compliment.

I can't think of any group of people who would
be glad to be called
Glaswegian.
Strike the words "...of any group of people who
would be glad to be called Glaswegian".
There. That makes more sense now.

Good one!
No it wasn't, it had the wit of a 6 year old.

As I said, good one!
In fact, excellent one!
Oh, you like 6 year olds.

What is it to you?
Nothing at all, but the law doesn't like it.

If it is nothing to you, why comment?
What's wrong with commenting on things I don't care
about?

Well it is not against the law ---
Must I do everything which is not against the law? That
would take a lot of time. Actually maybe not, as 99% of
things are against the law.

So true --
We are in agreement for the second time. Now list the laws
you would like removed:

1) It is forbidden to walk your pet whale down the
street.
..........
102327} It is forbidden to leave your house without wearing
underwear.
.......
939257) No one may step on any of the nation’s currency.
Those laws do not exist.
Anyway, the first is impossible, and the other two are done
without prosecution regularly.

They do somewhere in the world.
Which country?

Never mind.
So you were making it up then.

Whatever
You stated that they existed, but have no proof.

Whatever.
Admittance of defeat noted.

Whatever

Drop in intelligence noted.

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its debbie's foot

Who is Debbie and how many feet is her foot?

9

Doesn't that make her tread on her own toes?

I wear a 10 1/2.
Size is not equal to length of foot in feet.

yes it is

Anyone with a 10.5 foot foot would only be able to get work as a
clown.

my foot size is 10 1/2" in size
" isn't feet.
' is feet.


i foot is one foot ,
two feet is two feet ,
when you catch a fish ,
one foot is three feet

There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore
looking like
an idiot.

I have excitement.
Is your rod erect?

you've gone off topic

You said you had excitement....

I saw one I did on the sidewalk at school but that was along time ago.
I saw it on tv.

What kind of program films THAT?!

adobe premier

That is not a filming program/device/thing/person/being.

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its debbie's foot

Who is Debbie and how many feet is her foot?

9

Doesn't that make her tread on her own toes?

I wear a 10 1/2.
Size is not equal to length of foot in feet.

yes it is

Do you have $34?

I'm in the original country, where we use £.

I have a link.

That's a very arbitrary comment.

its my website, www.saintdavid.me

Spelling mistake on the first page, oh dear.

I see it.

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 05:58:59 +0100, David
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its debbie's foot

Who is Debbie and how many feet is her foot?

9

Doesn't that make her tread on her own toes?

I wear a 10 1/2.
Size is not equal to length of foot in feet.

yes it is

Anyone with a 10.5 foot foot would only be able to get work as a
clown.

my foot size is 10 1/2" in size
" isn't feet.
' is feet.


i foot is one foot ,
two feet is two feet ,
when you catch a fish ,
one foot is three feet

There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking
like
an idiot.

I have excitement.

Is your rod erect?

what kind of rod?

I don't want to examine your tool that closely.

I kind of just said that. I apologize if it is too loosely.

It shouldn't be loose when you're excited.

maybe

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On 09.08.2018 18:01, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:13:37 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 08.08.2018 20:26, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:45:07 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 07.08.2018 10:20, Bod wrote:

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers,
as if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could
never cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research,
people who cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are
also disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be
well educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per
year and shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report,
Bicycles in the UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to
be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey

I just use a bike mostly because it is most convenient, I love the
fresh air and feeling of movement and exercise, and ....
Owning a car and being rich has nothing to do with it.
Â*
Â* Of course, money is irellevant.

Of course. Exactly.
Â*I enjoy cycling in the countryside.Â* Cycling on roads isn't enjoyable.

I find it is. Very enjoyable.

Roads are for cars.

Non-sequitur.
I find riding a bike very enjoyable, whether on roads or other places.

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On 09.08.2018 18:01, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:16:33 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 08.08.2018 21:23, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
you silly little pansy.

I take that as a real compliment coming from YOU.

Look, if you want to ask me out, just say so.* How big is the bulge in
your lycra shorts?

Wouldn't you love to know?

Troll-feeding Senile Idiot Alert, AGAIN!
 

On 09.08.2018 18:58, Peeler wrote:
senile moron!

Thanks greatly for the compliment.

Stolen Bike
 

On 09.08.2018 23:37, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Drop in intelligence noted.

Thanks greatly for that excellent compliment com ing from YOU.
Especially as YOU said it.
Now please flick in my direction the further honour of being sour and
senile.
That would really make my day.

And we all know what YOU think of bicyclists. You think they are the
****witted pits of humanity.
And because it is YOU who think that, that is an extremely great
compliment.
We must be doing something right.

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On 09.08.2018 18:30, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 05:58:59 +0100, David wrote:

its debbie's foot

Who is Debbie and how many feet is her foot?

9

Doesn't that make her tread on her own toes?

I wear a 10 1/2.
*Size is not equal to length of foot in feet.

yes it is

Do you have $34?

I'm in the original country, where we use £.

I have a link.

That's a very arbitrary comment.

its my website, www.saintdavid.me

Spelling mistake on the first page, oh dear.

Sew hwat?

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:09:23 +0200, Peter Keller, another notorious
troll-feeding senile idiot, blabbered again:


Roads are for cars.

Non-sequitur.
I find riding a bike very enjoyable, whether on roads or other places.

He finds baiting senile oafs extremely enjoyable! Gee...

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:11:12 +0200, Peter Keller wrote:

senile moron!

Thanks greatly for the compliment.

Anytime, senile moron! tsk

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:14:10 +0200, Peter Keller, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


We must be doing something right.

You sure do, senile oaf! You keep feeding him, just the way the wants you to
do it! Gee...

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 10:14:47 +0100, Peter Keller
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On 09.08.2018 18:30, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
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its debbie's foot

Who is Debbie and how many feet is her foot?

9

Doesn't that make her tread on her own toes?

I wear a 10 1/2.
Size is not equal to length of foot in feet.

yes it is

Do you have $34?

I'm in the original country, where we use £.

I have a link.

That's a very arbitrary comment.

its my website, www.saintdavid.me
Spelling mistake on the first page, oh dear.

Sew hwat?

It shows you have a low intelligence.

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On 09/08/18 17:49, JNugent wrote:
On 08/08/2018 19:20, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 16:28, JNugent wrote:
On 08/08/2018 15:24, TMS320 wrote:
On 07/08/18 15:27, JNugent wrote:


The obvious use whilst moving would be when approaching ths "summit"
of a hump-backed bridge or a sharp bend.

Perhaps you mean something like this? It is is harder seen from a
driver's perspective than from a high mounted camera. No need. Adjust
speed according to what can be seen.

https://goo.gl/maps/9MSMX69BxzM2

Not hump-backed enough to need it. You can easily see traffic
approaching from the opposite direction, even if driving a Triumph
Spitfire.

I know a Spitfire owner so I shall have to ask. When looking around
Streetview various perspectives show they put the camera roughly level
with the height a high roof Sprinter van (2.8m). Believe me, it is
difficult on a live approach where you also don't have the luxury of
spending time looking at a static scene.

In order for the horn-sounding to be even semi-valid, the bridge really
needs to be a narrowing of the road as well (which the Italian one was).

https://goo.gl/maps/R48YMSxzjQk

That one...

....is the same one from other direction.

is narrow, but you can still see the oncoming traffic. Sounding
the horn would not serve a useful purpose.

Incidentally, the bridge has a 2t mgw limit so several drivers shown
here are breaking the rules - plus many others plus a council official
with a Range Rover that knows full well.

There's no sign saying so. Is this an older Google photo?

The signs are at the roundabouts at each end of the road.

A multi-storey car-park near here had a down-ramp with a give way
line at the bottom of it, with the posibility of traffic approaching
from the left. A sign on the wall said "Sound Horn". I never did.

Weird.

Exactly. I bet someone thought it was clever, though.

There were houses near the location and the occupants were as
entitled to reasonable efforts to keep down noise as anyone else is.

Well done you.

Likewise, an Italian friend used to sound his car horn on a
hump-backed bridge near his village. But the bridge had a house
adjacent to it. He would never listen to my remonstrations; I gained
the impression that he...

[...revelled in it.]

Sorry, missed that out last time.

OK

If the horn was not so unpleasant, the administrators that defined the
90dbA standard understood physics and the pad on the steering wheel
was force sensing to allow the driver to add expression it might be
more acceptable.

Is that the C&U standard? I never knew that.

Yes, 90dbA at 2m is the standard. The problem is that it isn't sensible
to measure a narrowband signal with a wideband instrument. A wideband
90dbA source would be completely inaudible inside a vehicle.

In case your thoughts are drifting, the "150db" horns used by some
cyclists are probably fairly similar, except measured in a different
way. If it was done in the same way, the extra 60db would require a
million times more power.

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On 09/08/18 17:28, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:05:01 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 21:42, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:09:45 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 20:44, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:41:27 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 19:21, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:24:39 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 07/08/18 18:29, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:27:28 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

It is intended only to alert other road-users to one's presence.
Er no. It means "You ****ing arsehole, why the hell didn't you
indicate?!"
*A horn conveys no information so how are your targets supposed
to know what your problem is?
*Well let me see, Mr Smith turns right at a roundabout without
indicating, and someone correctly pulls in front of him, then
sounds their horn when they see he's about to collide with them.
He can then look up the highway code or whatever and find out why
the other car had the right of way.

Just because Mr Smith is not indicating right it is not correct
for AN Other to pull out on a whim. Too many hims and thems.
Explain who is doing what and who ends up in front of whom.
*If you don't indicate right at a roundabout, you do not have the
right to turn right.* WTF are you doing turning without informing
other road users as to where you intend to go?

When following marked lanes indication is not necessary. Indication
is only useful when making lane changes or where there is ambiguity.
And I live in the south east where most people adapt to cope with
each others' behaviour without going into a hissy fit at every
opportunity.

Please explain your scenario in more detail.
*Now think of a roundabout without lanes.* Or maybe one with two
entry lanes and three exits.* And don't assume that cars at the other
side can tell what lane you're in.

Still not enough information. Every roundabout is different. No
mention of* timing and you don't say which driver ends up aiming at
the other driver's doors.

This is precisely why everyone should indicate.

Precisely why what? You're still short of description. Have you entered
the roundabout ahead of the other driver or are you entering while the
other driver is ahead of you?

No indicator means you're going straight ahead, end of story.

Straight on from where? Once a roundabout is more than a certain size
the relationship between entry and exit becomes completely irrelevant.

You seem to be just trying to make a point rather than trying to work
out how to use a roundabout in the most efficient way for the
circumstances you find at the time.

Depending on the size, I indicate left when I leave, and indicate right
if I'm going around it a fair distance.

With very rare exceptions I don't indicate twice; either right while
circulating or left before leaving, depending on layout, lane and
conditions. There are roundabouts where the major road goes right, and
though minor roads join between, it is not necessary to indicate when
following the major. There are many other examples.

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On 09/08/18 17:29, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:04:45 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 21:38, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:17:51 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 20:43, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

*What do you mean?* Are you suggesting it should be louder if you
press harder?

Quieter if tapped softly.

*That would just make them go unnoticed.* A horn should always be as
loud as possible to inform the arsehole that he failed to drive
correctly.

Shrug. If that is what you want then press it normally.

I don't have the option to change the volume.

Do you really not understand what I meant when I suggested "force
sensing" might be desirable?

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:24:28 +0200, Foreskin Peeler
wrote:

[FLUHS Grik skata]

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Stolen Bike
 

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:23:36 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 09/08/18 17:29, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:04:45 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 21:38, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:17:51 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 20:43, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

What do you mean? Are you suggesting it should be louder if you
press harder?

Quieter if tapped softly.

That would just make them go unnoticed. A horn should always be as
loud as possible to inform the arsehole that he failed to drive
correctly.

Shrug. If that is what you want then press it normally.
I don't have the option to change the volume.

Do you really not understand what I meant when I suggested "force
sensing" might be desirable?

You've deleted it from the quotes, so I will not bother replying.

Stolen Bike
 

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:21:11 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 09/08/18 17:28, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:05:01 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 21:42, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:09:45 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 20:44, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:41:27 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 19:21, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:24:39 +0100, TMS320
wrote:
On 07/08/18 18:29, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:27:28 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

It is intended only to alert other road-users to one's
presence.
Er no. It means "You ****ing arsehole, why the hell didn't you
indicate?!"
A horn conveys no information so how are your targets supposed
to know what your problem is?
Well let me see, Mr Smith turns right at a roundabout without
indicating, and someone correctly pulls in front of him, then
sounds their horn when they see he's about to collide with them.
He can then look up the highway code or whatever and find out why
the other car had the right of way.

Just because Mr Smith is not indicating right it is not correct
for AN Other to pull out on a whim. Too many hims and thems.
Explain who is doing what and who ends up in front of whom.
If you don't indicate right at a roundabout, you do not have the
right to turn right. WTF are you doing turning without informing
other road users as to where you intend to go?

When following marked lanes indication is not necessary. Indication
is only useful when making lane changes or where there is ambiguity.
And I live in the south east where most people adapt to cope with
each others' behaviour without going into a hissy fit at every
opportunity.

Please explain your scenario in more detail.
Now think of a roundabout without lanes. Or maybe one with two
entry lanes and three exits. And don't assume that cars at the other
side can tell what lane you're in.

Still not enough information. Every roundabout is different. No
mention of timing and you don't say which driver ends up aiming at
the other driver's doors.
This is precisely why everyone should indicate.

Precisely why what? You're still short of description. Have you entered
the roundabout ahead of the other driver or are you entering while the
other driver is ahead of you?

It doesn't matter. You should always indicate so other drivers don't have
to guess at your intentions.

No indicator means you're going straight ahead, end of story.

Straight on from where? Once a roundabout is more than a certain size
the relationship between entry and exit becomes completely irrelevant.

You seem to be just trying to make a point rather than trying to work
out how to use a roundabout in the most efficient way for the
circumstances you find at the time.
Depending on the size, I indicate left when I leave, and indicate
right if I'm going around it a fair distance.

With very rare exceptions I don't indicate twice; either right while
circulating or left before leaving, depending on layout, lane and
conditions. There are roundabouts where the major road goes right, and
though minor roads join between, it is not necessary to indicate when
following the major. There are many other examples.

Then you're a ****ing idiot and a danger to other road users.

Stolen Bike
 

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:30:01 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 09/08/18 17:49, JNugent wrote:
On 08/08/2018 19:20, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 16:28, JNugent wrote:
On 08/08/2018 15:24, TMS320 wrote:
On 07/08/18 15:27, JNugent wrote:


The obvious use whilst moving would be when approaching ths "summit"
of a hump-backed bridge or a sharp bend.

Perhaps you mean something like this? It is is harder seen from a
driver's perspective than from a high mounted camera. No need. Adjust
speed according to what can be seen.

https://goo.gl/maps/9MSMX69BxzM2
Not hump-backed enough to need it. You can easily see traffic
approaching from the opposite direction, even if driving a Triumph
Spitfire.

I know a Spitfire owner so I shall have to ask. When looking around
Streetview various perspectives show they put the camera roughly level
with the height a high roof Sprinter van (2.8m). Believe me, it is
difficult on a live approach where you also don't have the luxury of
spending time looking at a static scene.

You must have seen (or a picture of) a google camera car. The camera is
on a tripod on the roof. The angle of the shot is more like that of a
lorry driver.

In order for the horn-sounding to be even semi-valid, the bridge really
needs to be a narrowing of the road as well (which the Italian one was).

https://goo.gl/maps/R48YMSxzjQk
That one...

...is the same one from other direction.

is narrow, but you can still see the oncoming traffic. Sounding the
horn would not serve a useful purpose.

Incidentally, the bridge has a 2t mgw limit so several drivers shown
here are breaking the rules - plus many others plus a council official
with a Range Rover that knows full well.
There's no sign saying so. Is this an older Google photo?

The signs are at the roundabouts at each end of the road.

So many superfluous signs nowadays nobody notices the important ones
anyway.

A multi-storey car-park near here had a down-ramp with a give way
line at the bottom of it, with the posibility of traffic approaching
from the left. A sign on the wall said "Sound Horn". I never did.

Weird.
Exactly. I bet someone thought it was clever, though.

There were houses near the location and the occupants were as
entitled to reasonable efforts to keep down noise as anyone else is.

Well done you.

Likewise, an Italian friend used to sound his car horn on a
hump-backed bridge near his village. But the bridge had a house
adjacent to it. He would never listen to my remonstrations; I gained
the impression that he...
[...revelled in it.]
Sorry, missed that out last time.

OK

If the horn was not so unpleasant, the administrators that defined the
90dbA standard understood physics and the pad on the steering wheel
was force sensing to allow the driver to add expression it might be
more acceptable.
Is that the C&U standard? I never knew that.

Yes, 90dbA at 2m is the standard. The problem is that it isn't sensible
to measure a narrowband signal with a wideband instrument. A wideband
90dbA source would be completely inaudible inside a vehicle.

In case your thoughts are drifting, the "150db" horns used by some
cyclists are probably fairly similar, except measured in a different
way. If it was done in the same way, the extra 60db would require a
million times more power.

There can't be a followed standard as I've observed cars with horns much
louder than others.