700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

Are 700c 25mm road bike tires ok on these or is that pushing it? The lip
to lip dimension inside is 19mm. Says 28 but maybe someone knows whether
25mm would fit.

http://www.weinmanntek.com/Products/MTB/ZAC19.htm

Reason I ask is because I could potentially get a nice rear wheel with
12ga spokes. My current one breaks spokes all the time plus the rim will
soon be up anyhow.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-20, Joerg wrote:
Are 700c 25mm road bike tires ok on these or is that pushing it? The lip
to lip dimension inside is 19mm. Says 28 but maybe someone knows whether
25mm would fit.

http://www.weinmanntek.com/Products/MTB/ZAC19.htm

Reason I ask is because I could potentially get a nice rear wheel with
12ga spokes. My current one breaks spokes all the time plus the rim will
soon be up anyhow.

Not recommended. Use a 28mm or wider tire on a 19mm rim.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html#width

Additionally, on a frame/fork that can only accept 25mm or smaller
tires, your 25mm tire may end up too wide to fit when mounted on a
wide rim, so be careful.

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be
stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

--
Gregory S. Sutter Mostly Harmless

http://zer0.org/~gsutter/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-20, Joerg wrote:
Are 700c 25mm road bike tires ok on these or is that pushing it? The lip
to lip dimension inside is 19mm. Says 28 but maybe someone knows whether
25mm would fit.

http://www.weinmanntek.com/Products/MTB/ZAC19.htm

Reason I ask is because I could potentially get a nice rear wheel with
12ga spokes. My current one breaks spokes all the time plus the rim will
soon be up anyhow.

Not recommended. Use a 28mm or wider tire on a 19mm rim.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html#width

Additionally, on a frame/fork that can only accept 25mm or smaller
tires, your 25mm tire may end up too wide to fit when mounted on a
wide rim, so be careful.

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be
stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

I've done it, and it was marginal. Not so bad as a "NONO! Don't do
that!", but, well, a bit close.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 07:08:51 +0100, Tosspot
wrote:

On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-20, Joerg wrote:
Are 700c 25mm road bike tires ok on these or is that pushing it? The lip
to lip dimension inside is 19mm. Says 28 but maybe someone knows whether
25mm would fit.

http://www.weinmanntek.com/Products/MTB/ZAC19.htm

Reason I ask is because I could potentially get a nice rear wheel with
12ga spokes. My current one breaks spokes all the time plus the rim will
soon be up anyhow.

Not recommended. Use a 28mm or wider tire on a 19mm rim.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html#width

Additionally, on a frame/fork that can only accept 25mm or smaller
tires, your 25mm tire may end up too wide to fit when mounted on a
wide rim, so be careful.

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be
stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

I've done it, and it was marginal. Not so bad as a "NONO! Don't do
that!", but, well, a bit close.

Sheldon had a chart showing minimum and maximum tire and rim widths. I
don't think he was the originator of the chart as I
seen other versions, but from my limited use it seemed to be
sufficiently accurate.
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 1/22/2018 2:27 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 07:08:51 +0100, Tosspot
wrote:

On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-20, Joerg wrote:
Are 700c 25mm road bike tires ok on these or is that pushing it? The lip
to lip dimension inside is 19mm. Says 28 but maybe someone knows whether
25mm would fit.

http://www.weinmanntek.com/Products/MTB/ZAC19.htm

Reason I ask is because I could potentially get a nice rear wheel with
12ga spokes. My current one breaks spokes all the time plus the rim will
soon be up anyhow.

Not recommended. Use a 28mm or wider tire on a 19mm rim.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html#width

Additionally, on a frame/fork that can only accept 25mm or smaller
tires, your 25mm tire may end up too wide to fit when mounted on a
wide rim, so be careful.

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be
stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

I've done it, and it was marginal. Not so bad as a "NONO! Don't do
that!", but, well, a bit close.

Sheldon had a chart showing minimum and maximum tire and rim widths. I
don't think he was the originator of the chart as I
seen other versions, but from my limited use it seemed to be
sufficiently accurate.

That chart's toward the bottom at this URL:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html


--
- Frank Krygowski

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-21 22:08, Tosspot wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-20, Joerg wrote:
Are 700c 25mm road bike tires ok on these or is that pushing it? The lip
to lip dimension inside is 19mm. Says 28 but maybe someone knows whether
25mm would fit.

http://www.weinmanntek.com/Products/MTB/ZAC19.htm

Reason I ask is because I could potentially get a nice rear wheel with
12ga spokes. My current one breaks spokes all the time plus the rim will
soon be up anyhow.

Not recommended. Use a 28mm or wider tire on a 19mm rim.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html#width


Uh-oh, looks close.


Additionally, on a frame/fork that can only accept 25mm or smaller
tires, your 25mm tire may end up too wide to fit when mounted on a
wide rim, so be careful.

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be
stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!


Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel and
even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the selection of
ready-to-go wheels.


I've done it, and it was marginal. Not so bad as a "NONO! Don't do
that!", but, well, a bit close.


As long as the tire won't come off, dig itself into the rim or slide
around on there I'd be ok.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-21 22:08, Tosspot wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-20, Joerg wrote:
Are 700c 25mm road bike tires ok on these or is that pushing it? The lip
to lip dimension inside is 19mm. Says 28 but maybe someone knows whether
25mm would fit.

http://www.weinmanntek.com/Products/MTB/ZAC19.htm

Reason I ask is because I could potentially get a nice rear wheel with
12ga spokes. My current one breaks spokes all the time plus the rim will
soon be up anyhow.

Not recommended. Use a 28mm or wider tire on a 19mm rim.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html#width


Uh-oh, looks close.


Additionally, on a frame/fork that can only accept 25mm or smaller
tires, your 25mm tire may end up too wide to fit when mounted on a
wide rim, so be careful.

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will be
stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!


Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel and
even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the selection of
ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames, and re-spacing your frame from 126mm to 130mm is a breeze, assuming it is needed.

I've never seen a road wheel with 12g spokes -- not on a sport frame. You're trying to use a mid-fi club racer for a cargo bike. You should get a cargo bike or a gravel bike.

-- Jay Beattie.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-21 22:08, Tosspot wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

[...]


Additionally, on a frame/fork that can only accept 25mm or
smaller tires, your 25mm tire may end up too wide to fit when
mounted on a wide rim, so be careful.

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!


Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,


I meant with 12g SS spokes.


... and re-spacing your frame
from 126mm to 130mm is a breeze, assuming it is needed.


It will be necessary. No problem bending it up but if I have to
straighten the slotted drop-outs afterwards that is probably more
tricky. Not sure, never done that.


I've never seen a road wheel with 12g spokes -- not on a sport frame.


For heavy guys who sometimes carry a load and must weather some rougher
roads it makes sense.


You're trying to use a mid-fi club racer for a cargo bike. You
should get a cargo bike or a gravel bike.


I like this old bike. It has sturdy rack eyelets and a nice rack on
there. Works well. Why should I buy a whole new steel trekking bike for
$1500 when I can buy a wheel for $100 and be done with it? Plus then
my wife would want me to get rid of the Gazelle road bike and I just
can't do that. It would be like throwing away a 50's era Porsche.

The only downside of this bike is that it doesn't have low gears for
steeper hills. So I have to use the MTB for such rides but that's not a
big deal, comes at a small speed penalty and life isn't about racing
through it. At least not for me.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:07:29 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-21 22:08, Tosspot wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

[...]


Additionally, on a frame/fork that can only accept 25mm or
smaller tires, your 25mm tire may end up too wide to fit when
mounted on a wide rim, so be careful.

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!


Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,


I meant with 12g SS spokes.


... and re-spacing your frame
from 126mm to 130mm is a breeze, assuming it is needed.


It will be necessary. No problem bending it up but if I have to
straighten the slotted drop-outs afterwards that is probably more
tricky. Not sure, never done that.


I've never seen a road wheel with 12g spokes -- not on a sport frame.


For heavy guys who sometimes carry a load and must weather some rougher
roads it makes sense.


You're trying to use a mid-fi club racer for a cargo bike. You
should get a cargo bike or a gravel bike.


I like this old bike. It has sturdy rack eyelets and a nice rack on
there. Works well. Why should I buy a whole new steel trekking bike for
$1500 when I can buy a wheel for $100 and be done with it? Plus then
my wife would want me to get rid of the Gazelle road bike and I just
can't do that. It would be like throwing away a 50's era Porsche.

The only downside of this bike is that it doesn't have low gears for
steeper hills. So I have to use the MTB for such rides but that's not a
big deal, comes at a small speed penalty and life isn't about racing
through it. At least not for me.

Having been there and done that I would suggest that if the drop-outs
require aligning that you take it to a shop. Not that aligning the
frame is an overwhelming problem rather that a shop will (hopefully)
have the correct tools which makes a successful outcome far more
likely.

See: https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair...pout-alignment

--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-22 17:54, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:07:29 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:

[...]

You're trying to use a mid-fi club racer for a cargo bike. You
should get a cargo bike or a gravel bike.


I like this old bike. It has sturdy rack eyelets and a nice rack on
there. Works well. Why should I buy a whole new steel trekking bike for
$1500 when I can buy a wheel for $100 and be done with it? Plus then
my wife would want me to get rid of the Gazelle road bike and I just
can't do that. It would be like throwing away a 50's era Porsche.

The only downside of this bike is that it doesn't have low gears for
steeper hills. So I have to use the MTB for such rides but that's not a
big deal, comes at a small speed penalty and life isn't about racing
through it. At least not for me.

Having been there and done that I would suggest that if the drop-outs
require aligning that you take it to a shop. Not that aligning the
frame is an overwhelming problem rather that a shop will (hopefully)
have the correct tools which makes a successful outcome far more
likely.

See: https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair...pout-alignment


Yup. Though a couple of long enough screws should also do the trick.
First I have to find a good wheel though. If I end up having to rebuild
one around the old Shimano 600 hub I won't need to bend up the frame.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 7:53:49 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 17:54, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:07:29 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:

[...]

You're trying to use a mid-fi club racer for a cargo bike. You
should get a cargo bike or a gravel bike.


I like this old bike. It has sturdy rack eyelets and a nice rack on
there. Works well. Why should I buy a whole new steel trekking bike for
$1500 when I can buy a wheel for $100 and be done with it? Plus then
my wife would want me to get rid of the Gazelle road bike and I just
can't do that. It would be like throwing away a 50's era Porsche.

The only downside of this bike is that it doesn't have low gears for
steeper hills. So I have to use the MTB for such rides but that's not a
big deal, comes at a small speed penalty and life isn't about racing
through it. At least not for me.

Having been there and done that I would suggest that if the drop-outs
require aligning that you take it to a shop. Not that aligning the
frame is an overwhelming problem rather that a shop will (hopefully)
have the correct tools which makes a successful outcome far more
likely.

See: https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair...pout-alignment


Yup. Though a couple of long enough screws should also do the trick.
First I have to find a good wheel though. If I end up having to rebuild
one around the old Shimano 600 hub I won't need to bend up the frame.

You'll need to drill the flanges because that hub will not take 12g spokes. Although you don't need 12g spokes, I know you want them.

Why don't you just buy yourself a ****ty old hard-tail and build a work bike. You live in a golf-course community. You can afford a few hundred dollars.

-- Jay Beattie.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,

I meant with 12g SS spokes.

There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even
Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g.

Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an
asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it
up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should
last you a long time.

--
Gregory S. Sutter Mostly Harmless

http://zer0.org/~gsutter/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 1/23/2018 7:50 PM, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,

I meant with 12g SS spokes.

There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even
Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g.

Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an
asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it
up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should
last you a long time.

+1
p.s.
13g spokes are 0.105" 2.6mm
12g are 0.120"

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:35:47 -0800 (PST), jbeattie
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 7:53:49 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 17:54, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:07:29 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:

[...]

You're trying to use a mid-fi club racer for a cargo bike. You
should get a cargo bike or a gravel bike.


I like this old bike. It has sturdy rack eyelets and a nice rack on
there. Works well. Why should I buy a whole new steel trekking bike for
$1500 when I can buy a wheel for $100 and be done with it? Plus then
my wife would want me to get rid of the Gazelle road bike and I just
can't do that. It would be like throwing away a 50's era Porsche.

The only downside of this bike is that it doesn't have low gears for
steeper hills. So I have to use the MTB for such rides but that's not a
big deal, comes at a small speed penalty and life isn't about racing
through it. At least not for me.

Having been there and done that I would suggest that if the drop-outs
require aligning that you take it to a shop. Not that aligning the
frame is an overwhelming problem rather that a shop will (hopefully)
have the correct tools which makes a successful outcome far more
likely.

See: https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair...pout-alignment


Yup. Though a couple of long enough screws should also do the trick.
First I have to find a good wheel though. If I end up having to rebuild
one around the old Shimano 600 hub I won't need to bend up the frame.

You'll need to drill the flanges because that hub will not take
12g spokes. Although you don't need 12g spokes, I know you want them.

Why don't you just buy yourself a ****ty old hard-tail and build a work bike.
You live in a golf-course community. You can afford a few hundred
dollars.

-- Jay Beattie.

Or a small - 150 - 200 C.C. motorcycle. They seldom have wheel
problems :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-23 14:35, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 7:53:49 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 17:54, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:07:29 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:

[...]

You're trying to use a mid-fi club racer for a cargo bike.
You should get a cargo bike or a gravel bike.


I like this old bike. It has sturdy rack eyelets and a nice
rack on there. Works well. Why should I buy a whole new steel
trekking bike for
$1500 when I can buy a wheel for $100 and be done with it?
Plus then
my wife would want me to get rid of the Gazelle road bike and I
just can't do that. It would be like throwing away a 50's era
Porsche.

The only downside of this bike is that it doesn't have low
gears for steeper hills. So I have to use the MTB for such
rides but that's not a big deal, comes at a small speed penalty
and life isn't about racing through it. At least not for me.

Having been there and done that I would suggest that if the
drop-outs require aligning that you take it to a shop. Not that
aligning the frame is an overwhelming problem rather that a shop
will (hopefully) have the correct tools which makes a successful
outcome far more likely.

See: https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair...pout-alignment


Yup. Though a couple of long enough screws should also do the
trick. First I have to find a good wheel though. If I end up having
to rebuild one around the old Shimano 600 hub I won't need to bend
up the frame.

You'll need to drill the flanges because that hub will not take 12g
spokes. Although you don't need 12g spokes, I know you want them.

Why don't you just buy yourself a ****ty old hard-tail and build a
work bike. You live in a golf-course community. You can afford a
few hundred dollars.


In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However, as I
said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my trusty old
1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,

I meant with 12g SS spokes.

There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even
Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g.

Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an
asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it
up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should
last you a long time.


The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there
are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth
it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits
the bill most of the way.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:30:37 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-23 14:35, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 7:53:49 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 17:54, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:07:29 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:

[...]

You're trying to use a mid-fi club racer for a cargo bike.
You should get a cargo bike or a gravel bike.


I like this old bike. It has sturdy rack eyelets and a nice
rack on there. Works well. Why should I buy a whole new steel
trekking bike for
$1500 when I can buy a wheel for $100 and be done with it?
Plus then
my wife would want me to get rid of the Gazelle road bike and I
just can't do that. It would be like throwing away a 50's era
Porsche.

The only downside of this bike is that it doesn't have low
gears for steeper hills. So I have to use the MTB for such
rides but that's not a big deal, comes at a small speed penalty
and life isn't about racing through it. At least not for me.

Having been there and done that I would suggest that if the
drop-outs require aligning that you take it to a shop. Not that
aligning the frame is an overwhelming problem rather that a shop
will (hopefully) have the correct tools which makes a successful
outcome far more likely.

See: https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair...pout-alignment


Yup. Though a couple of long enough screws should also do the
trick. First I have to find a good wheel though. If I end up having
to rebuild one around the old Shimano 600 hub I won't need to bend
up the frame.

You'll need to drill the flanges because that hub will not take 12g
spokes. Although you don't need 12g spokes, I know you want them.

Why don't you just buy yourself a ****ty old hard-tail and build a
work bike. You live in a golf-course community. You can afford a
few hundred dollars.


In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However, as I
said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my trusty old
1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet.

Why in the world would you listen to your wife regarding the number
and type of bicycles you own? Doe she listen to you when she wants
(needs) new kitchen utensils?
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,

I meant with 12g SS spokes.

There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even
Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g.

Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an
asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it
up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should
last you a long time.


The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there
are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth
it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits
the bill most of the way.

Yes, I've done that. Used a ****ty old hub and some second hand
spokes.... ended up with a pretty lousy wheel too.

If you are going to build a wheel for actual use, i.e., not hanging on
a gate, why not spend the money and get quality components. A quick
look seems to show that a hub and spokes cost in the region of $100
and a rim (700C) is cheap. Alex is selling welded, grommeted, offset,
MTB rims quite cheaply these days.

Or maybe a solid Mag wheel for less then $100
https://tinyurl.com/yan7qvuo

--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 25/01/18 02:04, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:30:37 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

snip

In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However,
as I said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my
trusty old 1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet.

Why in the world would you listen to your wife regarding the number
and type of bicycles you own? Doe she listen to you when she wants
(needs) new kitchen utensils?

Exactly as long as you can maintain the relationship

NB NW

Where NB is the Number of Bikes and NW is the Number of [ex]Wives you
should be fine!

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:03:56 +0100, Tosspot
wrote:

On 25/01/18 02:04, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:30:37 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

snip

In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However,
as I said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my
trusty old 1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet.

Why in the world would you listen to your wife regarding the number
and type of bicycles you own? Doe she listen to you when she wants
(needs) new kitchen utensils?

Exactly as long as you can maintain the relationship

NB NW

Where NB is the Number of Bikes and NW is the Number of [ex]Wives you
should be fine!

Actually the division of home management dates back to caveman days.
The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked. Logically if the husband wanted a new
spear it would be justified and equally logical any new stew pots that
the wife wanted were equally justified.
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 10:03:58 PM UTC-8, Tosspot wrote:
On 25/01/18 02:04, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:30:37 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

snip

In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However,
as I said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my
trusty old 1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet.

Why in the world would you listen to your wife regarding the number
and type of bicycles you own? Doe she listen to you when she wants
(needs) new kitchen utensils?

Exactly as long as you can maintain the relationship

NB NW

Where NB is the Number of Bikes and NW is the Number of [ex]Wives you
should be fine!

Joerg would have three bikes, which is not like bike hoarding or time for an intervention. It was time for an intervention when he used a hose clamp to secure his headset and came to the conclusion that a mid-fi club racer from the '80s is a suitable cargo bike, although incapable of taking any tire bigger than probably 25mm. My CX commuter is more suited to the purpose -- free warranty frame (aluminum) and scrap 9sp drive train and parts from its predecessor.

-- Jay Beattie.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:03:56 +0100, Tosspot
wrote:

On 25/01/18 02:04, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:30:37 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

snip

In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However,
as I said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my
trusty old 1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet.

Why in the world would you listen to your wife regarding the number
and type of bicycles you own? Doe she listen to you when she wants
(needs) new kitchen utensils?

Exactly as long as you can maintain the relationship

NB NW

Where NB is the Number of Bikes and NW is the Number of [ex]Wives you
should be fine!

Actually the division of home management dates back to caveman days.


We have come a long way since the cave man days. It has gone as far as
Japanese women actually doing all the financial stuff and investing,
something that is typically done by men.

The owner of a painting and remodeling business once told me "I never
carry any cash. If I need any I ask my wife and she gives me some".


The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.


... Logically if the husband wanted a new
spear it would be justified and equally logical any new stew pots that
the wife wanted were equally justified.


Sure yet there are limits. If Fred had so many speers that Wilma can't
sqeeze past the entry way or Wilma had so many stew pots that Fred can't
get to the beer stash there'd soon be marital issues.

I've got three bikes and my wife has one. Plus a lot of tires and such
hanging from the rafters.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-24 17:26, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,

I meant with 12g SS spokes.

There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even
Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g.

Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an
asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it
up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should
last you a long time.


The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there
are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth
it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits
the bill most of the way.

Yes, I've done that. Used a ****ty old hub and some second hand
spokes.... ended up with a pretty lousy wheel too.

If you are going to build a wheel for actual use, i.e., not hanging on
a gate, why not spend the money and get quality components. A quick
look seems to show that a hub and spokes cost in the region of $100
and a rim (700C) is cheap. Alex is selling welded, grommeted, offset,
MTB rims quite cheaply these days.


If I can't find a complete wheel I'll have to go that route.


Or maybe a solid Mag wheel for less then $100
https://tinyurl.com/yan7qvuo


I'd break those in a jiffy.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:03:56 +0100, Tosspot
wrote:

On 25/01/18 02:04, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:30:37 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

snip

In that case I'd buy a new trekking bike with steel frame. However,
as I said before the missus will then insist on getting rid of my
trusty old 1982 road bike and I just can't part with that, yet.

Why in the world would you listen to your wife regarding the number
and type of bicycles you own? Doe she listen to you when she wants
(needs) new kitchen utensils?

Exactly as long as you can maintain the relationship

NB NW

Where NB is the Number of Bikes and NW is the Number of [ex]Wives you
should be fine!

Actually the division of home management dates back to caveman days.


We have come a long way since the cave man days. It has gone as far as
Japanese women actually doing all the financial stuff and investing,
something that is typically done by men.

I hate to tell you but having lived for some ten years in Japan and
spent some time studying the history and customs of the country of the
country the fact that Japanese women, in many cases, manage the
family's finances, is perfectly normal in a country where the sole
duty of the male member's of the family is to fight in the Shogun's
army.

The owner of a painting and remodeling business once told me "I never
carry any cash. If I need any I ask my wife and she gives me some".


The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.





... Logically if the husband wanted a new
spear it would be justified and equally logical any new stew pots that
the wife wanted were equally justified.


Sure yet there are limits. If Fred had so many speers that Wilma can't
sqeeze past the entry way or Wilma had so many stew pots that Fred can't
get to the beer stash there'd soon be marital issues.

I've got three bikes and my wife has one. Plus a lot of tires and such
hanging from the rafters.

You example is flawed. I own four bikes while my wife owns non. Both
parties being quite satisfied with their status.
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:40:17 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 17:26, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,

I meant with 12g SS spokes.

There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even
Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g.

Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an
asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it
up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should
last you a long time.


The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there
are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth
it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits
the bill most of the way.

Yes, I've done that. Used a ****ty old hub and some second hand
spokes.... ended up with a pretty lousy wheel too.

If you are going to build a wheel for actual use, i.e., not hanging on
a gate, why not spend the money and get quality components. A quick
look seems to show that a hub and spokes cost in the region of $100
and a rim (700C) is cheap. Alex is selling welded, grommeted, offset,
MTB rims quite cheaply these days.


If I can't find a complete wheel I'll have to go that route.

I can't comment on MTB wheels but two years, or so, ago I bought a set
of the cheapest Shimano road wheels to temporarily substitute for a
pair of light weight (higher priced) wheels that had developed the
"wobbles".

I re-spoked the light weight wheels and they are still sitting in the
shop as the "cheap" Shimano wheels are still going strong.

(It is a hell of a life when even the "cheap crap" doesn't fail :-)






Or maybe a solid Mag wheel for less then $100
https://tinyurl.com/yan7qvuo


I'd break those in a jiffy.
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:


[...]

The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.


You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without
knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for
clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me.


... Logically if the husband wanted a new
spear it would be justified and equally logical any new stew pots that
the wife wanted were equally justified.


Sure yet there are limits. If Fred had so many speers that Wilma can't
sqeeze past the entry way or Wilma had so many stew pots that Fred can't
get to the beer stash there'd soon be marital issues.

I've got three bikes and my wife has one. Plus a lot of tires and such
hanging from the rafters.

You example is flawed. I own four bikes while my wife owns non. Both
parties being quite satisfied with their status.


You probably have less other stuff in the garage. Ours is quite full,
tough to squeeze in an additional bike. Also, it isn't really needed.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-25 18:03, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:40:17 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 17:26, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,

I meant with 12g SS spokes.

There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even
Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g.

Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an
asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it
up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should
last you a long time.


The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there
are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth
it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits
the bill most of the way.

Yes, I've done that. Used a ****ty old hub and some second hand
spokes.... ended up with a pretty lousy wheel too.

If you are going to build a wheel for actual use, i.e., not hanging on
a gate, why not spend the money and get quality components. A quick
look seems to show that a hub and spokes cost in the region of $100
and a rim (700C) is cheap. Alex is selling welded, grommeted, offset,
MTB rims quite cheaply these days.


If I can't find a complete wheel I'll have to go that route.

I can't comment on MTB wheels but two years, or so, ago I bought a set
of the cheapest Shimano road wheels to temporarily substitute for a
pair of light weight (higher priced) wheels that had developed the
"wobbles".

I re-spoked the light weight wheels and they are still sitting in the
shop as the "cheap" Shimano wheels are still going strong.

(It is a hell of a life when even the "cheap crap" doesn't fail :-)


That's what I am looking for. However, they must tolerate my weight plus
cargo. I believe 29er MTB rims are the same diameter as road bike rims
so that may be an option if I have to build my own wheel. To heck with
all this weight weenie stuff. On my MTB the rims are wider but not by a
whole lot. Only problem is many are for disc brakes only.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:07:55 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:


[...]

The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.


You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without
knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for
clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me.

Or, as I said "the male goes out into the world to "earn a living".
Your example of sitting in the house the money just floating in the
door sounds more like some sort of social system when one gets paid
for not working.





... Logically if the husband wanted a new
spear it would be justified and equally logical any new stew pots that
the wife wanted were equally justified.


Sure yet there are limits. If Fred had so many speers that Wilma can't
sqeeze past the entry way or Wilma had so many stew pots that Fred can't
get to the beer stash there'd soon be marital issues.

I've got three bikes and my wife has one. Plus a lot of tires and such
hanging from the rafters.

You example is flawed. I own four bikes while my wife owns non. Both
parties being quite satisfied with their status.


You probably have less other stuff in the garage. Ours is quite full,
tough to squeeze in an additional bike. Also, it isn't really needed.

Less stuff in garage? Hardly.
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:15:17 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-25 18:03, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:40:17 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 17:26, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:13 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-23 17:50, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-01-22, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-22 14:55, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 2:25:46 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 21/01/18 22:18, Gregory Sutter wrote:

You might look for wheels with double-butted spokes; they will
be stronger and you'll break fewer spokes!

Problem is, I can't exceed 130mm between the dropouts for the wheel
and even that's a stretch (the frame is 126mm). This limits the
selection of ready-to-go wheels.

I does? The non-disc road standard is still 130mm. There are tons of
wheels out there for 130mm spaced frames,

I meant with 12g SS spokes.

There's effectively no such thing as 12 gauge spokes; even
Wheelsmith's "downhill" spokes are 13-14-13g.

Take your nice 600 hub, use name-brand 14-15-14g spokes, select an
asymmetric rim, have a person who builds wheels all the time make it
up for you, and you'll have a fine quality rear wheel that should
last you a long time.


The hub is old and the surfaces where the bearing balls roll on in there
are equally old. I don't think sinking much effort into that is worth
it. I've got time and I am pretty sure I can find a read wheel that fits
the bill most of the way.

Yes, I've done that. Used a ****ty old hub and some second hand
spokes.... ended up with a pretty lousy wheel too.

If you are going to build a wheel for actual use, i.e., not hanging on
a gate, why not spend the money and get quality components. A quick
look seems to show that a hub and spokes cost in the region of $100
and a rim (700C) is cheap. Alex is selling welded, grommeted, offset,
MTB rims quite cheaply these days.


If I can't find a complete wheel I'll have to go that route.

I can't comment on MTB wheels but two years, or so, ago I bought a set
of the cheapest Shimano road wheels to temporarily substitute for a
pair of light weight (higher priced) wheels that had developed the
"wobbles".

I re-spoked the light weight wheels and they are still sitting in the
shop as the "cheap" Shimano wheels are still going strong.

(It is a hell of a life when even the "cheap crap" doesn't fail :-)


That's what I am looking for. However, they must tolerate my weight plus
cargo. I believe 29er MTB rims are the same diameter as road bike rims
so that may be an option if I have to build my own wheel. To heck with
all this weight weenie stuff. On my MTB the rims are wider but not by a
whole lot. Only problem is many are for disc brakes only.

Weight Weenie is now out dated and the current battle cry is "heavy
don't matter if it is streamlined".
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 1/26/2018 11:07 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:

You example is flawed. I own four bikes while my wife owns non. Both
parties being quite satisfied with their status.


You probably have less other stuff in the garage. Ours is quite full,
tough to squeeze in an additional bike. Also, it isn't really needed.

The "bike storage" corner of our basement is 70" x 71" x 96" high. I
have seven bikes packed in there. One's a tandem. Careful planning can
pack a lot of stuff in a small space.

One more bike, the quick-access utility 3-speed, leans elsewhere closer
to the door.

Then there are my wife's mountain bike (now never used - I should give
it away) plus two kid's bikes and an extra folding bike. Those are
tucked away elsewhere, but still easily accessible.

Yeah, it's nuts.


--
- Frank Krygowski

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-26, John B wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.

Whoa, whoa, hey now, let's keep this at least nominally about bicycles!

--
Gregory S. Sutter Mostly Harmless

http://zer0.org/~gsutter/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-26 16:54, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:07:55 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:


[...]

The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.


You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without
knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for
clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me.

Or, as I said "the male goes out into the world to "earn a living".
Your example of sitting in the house the money just floating in the
door sounds more like some sort of social system when one gets paid
for not working.


Are you really unable to understand just what a self-employed engineer does?

[...]

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 07:25:39 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-26 16:54, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:07:55 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:


[...]

The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.


You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without
knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for
clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me.

Or, as I said "the male goes out into the world to "earn a living".
Your example of sitting in the house the money just floating in the
door sounds more like some sort of social system when one gets paid
for not working.


Are you really unable to understand just what a self-employed engineer does?

[...]
Of course I understand what a self-employed engineer does although as
I was always able to find work I was never reduced to being
self-employed but I did work as a project engineer on a number of
projects.
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-27 17:13, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 07:25:39 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-26 16:54, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:07:55 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:


[...]

The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.


You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without
knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for
clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me.

Or, as I said "the male goes out into the world to "earn a living".
Your example of sitting in the house the money just floating in the
door sounds more like some sort of social system when one gets paid
for not working.


Are you really unable to understand just what a self-employed engineer does?

[...]
Of course I understand what a self-employed engineer does although as
I was always able to find work I was never reduced to being
self-employed but I did work as a project engineer on a number of
projects.


So why do you draw nonsensical conclusions that someone is a trust fund
kid or whatever?

Besides, you obviously do not understand self-employment. It's got
nothing to do with "reduced". People like me do that by choice because
it has many advantages over being a cog in the wheel. Yeah, I was
sometimes a "big cog" leading a business but self-employment is still
better. Way better.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 07:51:36 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-27 17:13, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 07:25:39 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-26 16:54, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:07:55 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:


[...]

The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.


You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without
knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for
clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me.

Or, as I said "the male goes out into the world to "earn a living".
Your example of sitting in the house the money just floating in the
door sounds more like some sort of social system when one gets paid
for not working.


Are you really unable to understand just what a self-employed engineer does?

[...]
Of course I understand what a self-employed engineer does although as
I was always able to find work I was never reduced to being
self-employed but I did work as a project engineer on a number of
projects.


So why do you draw nonsensical conclusions that someone is a trust fund
kid or whatever?

Besides, you obviously do not understand self-employment. It's got
nothing to do with "reduced". People like me do that by choice because
it has many advantages over being a cog in the wheel. Yeah, I was
sometimes a "big cog" leading a business but self-employment is still
better. Way better.

I'm inclined to say, "thus speaks the individual who can't find a
decent job".

But, of course, I can only judge from what you write here. and draw
conclusions from those posts. but I'd have to say that as resident
manager is probably had a better position then simply a "work when you
feel like it" home employed. The company for example paid me to
maintain two homes in two different countries, paid to maintain three
personally used motor vehicles (but no bicycles). Paid all of my
housing and maintenance costs while at the work or office site as well
as all entertainment costs. And of course a salary as well as a profit
sharing scheme as part of the project being managed:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:59:53 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 07:51:36 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-27 17:13, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 07:25:39 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-26 16:54, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:07:55 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:


[...]

The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.


You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without
knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for
clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me.

Or, as I said "the male goes out into the world to "earn a living".
Your example of sitting in the house the money just floating in the
door sounds more like some sort of social system when one gets paid
for not working.


Are you really unable to understand just what a self-employed engineer does?

[...]
Of course I understand what a self-employed engineer does although as
I was always able to find work I was never reduced to being
self-employed but I did work as a project engineer on a number of
projects.


So why do you draw nonsensical conclusions that someone is a trust fund
kid or whatever?

Besides, you obviously do not understand self-employment. It's got
nothing to do with "reduced". People like me do that by choice because
it has many advantages over being a cog in the wheel. Yeah, I was
sometimes a "big cog" leading a business but self-employment is still
better. Way better.

I'm inclined to say, "thus speaks the individual who can't find a
decent job".

But, of course, I can only judge from what you write here. and draw
conclusions from those posts. but I'd have to say that as resident
manager is probably had a better position then simply a "work when you
feel like it" home employed. The company for example paid me to
maintain two homes in two different countries, paid to maintain three
personally used motor vehicles (but no bicycles). Paid all of my
housing and maintenance costs while at the work or office site as well
as all entertainment costs. And of course a salary as well as a profit
sharing scheme as part of the project being managed:-)

I forgot to add, paid all travel costs from home of record to the work
place :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

700c 25mm tires on Weinmann ZAC19 rims ok?
 

On 2018-01-28 18:59, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 07:51:36 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-27 17:13, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 07:25:39 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-26 16:54, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:07:55 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-25 17:57, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-01-24 22:57, John B. wrote:


[...]

The Husband killed the buffalos and dragged them home while the wife
chopped them up and cooked.


My buffaloes come in the form of checks and the mail carrier drags them
home.

The description was intended to be allegory in nature indicating that
the male goes out into the world to "earn a living" while your example
seems to indicate that you are obtaining money without working. One
can only assume that you are entitled to some sort of social payment
scheme that allows you to sit at home making beer rather then being
gainfully employed.


You really have a talent in premature judgement, firing off without
knowing anything from the other side. I perform engineering services for
clients. Electronic circuit design. For that, they pay me.

Or, as I said "the male goes out into the world to "earn a living".
Your example of sitting in the house the money just floating in the
door sounds more like some sort of social system when one gets paid
for not working.


Are you really unable to understand just what a self-employed engineer does?

[...]
Of course I understand what a self-employed engineer does although as
I was always able to find work I was never reduced to being
self-employed but I did work as a project engineer on a number of
projects.


So why do you draw nonsensical conclusions that someone is a trust fund
kid or whatever?

Besides, you obviously do not understand self-employment. It's got
nothing to do with "reduced". People like me do that by choice because
it has many advantages over being a cog in the wheel. Yeah, I was
sometimes a "big cog" leading a business but self-employment is still
better. Way better.

I'm inclined to say, "thus speaks the individual who can't find a
decent job".


See what I mean with prejudice?

I get job offers all the time without ever sending out a single resume.
Serious ones. The last offer was three weeks ago which, as usual, I
politely declined.


But, of course, I can only judge from what you write here. and draw
conclusions from those posts. but I'd have to say that as resident
manager is probably had a better position then simply a "work when you
feel like it" home employed.


I was a general manager for a divison with about 100 employees for
years. It was fun, I liked business stuff with P&L responsibility more
than I initially thought I would. Still, I like self-employment a lot
more. One of the reasons is that while I was employed it was all 100%
med-tech. Now it's med-tech, aerospace, oil/gas, ag automation, vehicle
electronics, power electronics, et cetera. Much more variety, much more fun.


... The company for example paid me to
maintain two homes in two different countries, paid to maintain three
personally used motor vehicles (but no bicycles). Paid all of my
housing and maintenance costs while at the work or office site as well
as all entertainment costs. And of course a salary as well as a profit
sharing scheme as part of the project being managed:-)


My employers were similar. However, I am now my own employer and can
always decide to grant myself two homes and three vehicles. We only want
one home and two motor vehicles and three bicycles, and got that.

Here is one of the major advantages. I am doing a tricky design right
now but it doesn't matter which days I work, as long as I get it done by
the time the client needs it. I can play hookey on a Thurday or whetever
and work Saturday. So I sit here at the computer doing the work, notice
that the sun peeks through the clouds, decide "Let's ride!" and ... ride.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/